Rejoinder - Questions about 7th House sig

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Dear Mr.Anurodh,

 

Further to my earlier reply, I just thought that I can add these

points which may make little more sense. To consolidate the earlier

observations, please note the following points:

 

1. 7th Cusp sublord links - stellar level, sublord level, aspects by

other unfavourable (from the point of view of married relationship)

planets, being posited in 6, 8 and 12th houses / Bhava.

 

2. In addition to the above points, there will be a very strong link

with the dual signs (predominantly Gemni and then Virgo), its lords

and their aspects. Therefore Mercury may play a very important role

in such matters of duality / multiplexity. Moreover, Mercury is a

very fast moving planet. It will be very close to Sun and not more

than 18 to 20 degrees maximum.

 

3. For the married life to get derailed, ofcourse many other points

as described in the books too are pertinant.

 

It is needless to add no one can write all the points in the book and

therefore this Forum has a pivotal role to play.

 

Regards,

 

K Jagadish

---------------

, Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

wrote:

> Dear List,

>

> Hope all of your are fine.

> I have questions about 7th House sig which I am putting for your

consideration.

> Please ans these questions in terms of Natal Chart not Horary.

>

> a. In natal chart, suppose, by any reason it is predicted that the

merriage will not be successful ( lack of mental compatibility,

widowhood, divorce etc). It is seen that the native will have second

merriage. All these is seen from 7th sub-lord. Now how the same 7th

sub-lord may be used to predict the following:

>

> 1. How to predict that the second merriage will be peaceful and

sucessful?

>

> 2. The 7th sub lord tells all about the merried partner. How to

predict about the second partner's personality, occupation etc? Many

a times it is seen that first partner was from same religion/cast and

second one is not, or vice versa.

>

> 3. How to predict more than 2 merriages?

>

> 4. How to predict merriage with a widow or a widower or a divorcee?

>

> Example:

> In my neighbour's case, he had a very quarrelsome merriage and then

things ended in a divorce. He had a second merriage which is very

peaceful, after around 15y. ( natal chart is not there with me, just

given as an example to clearify my point)

>

> My maternal grandfather did 3 merriages. Previous two wives died.

My maternal grandmother was the 3rd one.( natal chart is not there

with me, just given as an example to clearify my point)

>

> So in such cases how to predict from the natal chart as natal chart

has only one 7th house. So same 7th sub-lord will show disputes or

less marital bliss then how the same 7th sub-lord shows success in

next merriage or vice versa.

> --

-----------------------------

> b. My next question is about the merriage and partnership. Suppose

in the life of the native, he/she is having happy married life but un-

happy partnership in business or vice versa.

>

> How to find it?

>

> Please ans in the reference to the natal chart readings.

>

> Your enlightening findings are eagerly awaited.

>

> regards,

> Anurodh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Jagdish

Mr. Anurodh has thrown up a set of knotty questions. The questions are very clear.

It is good that you have tried to answer some of the questions. But those are already covered in some book as you have mentioned. The tricky thing is the basic question has gone unanswered ie how to find out whether second marriage or "n"th marriage will be peaceful and be a successful marriage-- you have only one 7th house and one cusp lord.

This is a very important question. many people who have burnt their fingers in the first marriage come and ask the astrologer whether the same thing would not repeat if they marry again.

I do not the answer directly. Possibly we have to see the psychological issues in the horoscope.. If a person has behavioural aberrations his/her marriage is more likely to go dogs than otherwise. But if the character is good and a balanced personality getting bad spouse second time is not ruled out. Hence if some astological rules are there it would be very useful to guide the people in their marital problems.

 

Udupa

 

kjagadish48 <kjagadish48 wrote:

Dear Mr.Anurodh,Further to my earlier reply, I just thought that I can add these points which may make little more sense. To consolidate the earlier observations, please note the following points:1. 7th Cusp sublord links - stellar level, sublord level, aspects by other unfavourable (from the point of view of married relationship) planets, being posited in 6, 8 and 12th houses / Bhava.2. In addition to the above points, there will be a very strong link with the dual signs (predominantly Gemni and then Virgo), its lords and their aspects. Therefore Mercury may play a very important role in such matters of duality / multiplexity. Moreover, Mercury is a very fast moving planet. It will be very close to Sun and not more than 18 to 20 degrees maximum.3. For the married life to get derailed, ofcourse many other points

as described in the books too are pertinant.It is needless to add no one can write all the points in the book and therefore this Forum has a pivotal role to play.Regards,K Jagadish--------------- , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1> wrote:> Dear List,> > Hope all of your are fine.> I have questions about 7th House sig which I am putting for your consideration.> Please ans these questions in terms of Natal Chart not Horary.> > a. In natal chart, suppose, by any reason it is predicted that the merriage will not be successful ( lack of mental compatibility, widowhood, divorce etc). It is seen that the native will have second merriage. All these is seen from 7th sub-lord. Now how the same 7th sub-lord may be used to predict the following:> > 1. How to predict that the second merriage will be peaceful and

sucessful?> > 2. The 7th sub lord tells all about the merried partner. How to predict about the second partner's personality, occupation etc? Many a times it is seen that first partner was from same religion/cast and second one is not, or vice versa.> > 3. How to predict more than 2 merriages?> > 4. How to predict merriage with a widow or a widower or a divorcee?> > Example: > In my neighbour's case, he had a very quarrelsome merriage and then things ended in a divorce. He had a second merriage which is very peaceful, after around 15y. ( natal chart is not there with me, just given as an example to clearify my point)> > My maternal grandfather did 3 merriages. Previous two wives died. My maternal grandmother was the 3rd one.( natal chart is not there with me, just given as an example to clearify my point)> > So in such

cases how to predict from the natal chart as natal chart has only one 7th house. So same 7th sub-lord will show disputes or less marital bliss then how the same 7th sub-lord shows success in next merriage or vice versa.> -------------------> b. My next question is about the merriage and partnership. Suppose in the life of the native, he/she is having happy married life but un-happy partnership in business or vice versa.> > How to find it?> > Please ans in the reference to the natal chart readings.> > Your enlightening findings are eagerly awaited.> > regards,> Anurodh> > > > > >

>

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Dear Uddupa ji,

I know person who marry 5 times. recently he marry a girl age of 18. he is 64. in all case he took divorce. and evry time he found girl when he want.

i am not check his chart but any one is intrested i will try to collect the details.

regards

kanak>AH Udupa <ahudupa> > >Re: Re: Rejoinder - Questions about 7th House sig>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:14:22 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Jagdish>> Mr. Anurodh has thrown up a set of knotty questions. The questions are very clear.>It is good that you have tried to answer some of the questions. But those are already covered in some book as you have mentioned. The tricky thing is the basic question has gone unanswered ie how to find out whether second marriage or "n"th marriage will be peaceful and be a successful marriage-- you have only one 7th house and one cusp lord.> This is a very important question. many people who have burnt their fingers in the first marriage come and ask the astrologer whether the same thing would not repeat if they marry again.>I do not the answer directly. Possibly we have to see the psychological issues in the horoscope.. If a person has behavioural aberrations his/her marriage is more likely to go dogs than otherwise. But if the character is good and a balanced personality getting bad spouse second time is not ruled out. Hence if some astological rules are there it would be very useful to guide the people in their marital problems.>>Udupa>>>kjagadish48 <kjagadish48 wrote:>Dear Mr.Anurodh,>>Further to my earlier reply, I just thought that I can add these>points which may make little more sense. To consolidate the earlier>observations, please note the following points:>>1. 7th Cusp sublord links - stellar level, sublord level, aspects by>other unfavourable (from the point of view of married relationship)>planets, being posited in 6, 8 and 12th houses / Bhava.>>2. In addition to the above points, there will be a very strong link>with the dual signs (predominantly Gemni and then Virgo), its lords>and their aspects. Therefore Mercury may play a very important role>in such matters of duality / multiplexity. Moreover, Mercury is a>very fast moving planet. It will be very close to Sun and not more>than 18 to 20 degrees maximum.>>3. For the married life to get derailed, ofcourse many other points>as described in the books too are pertinant.>>It is needless to add no one can write all the points in the book and>therefore this Forum has a pivotal role to play.>>Regards,>>K Jagadish>---------------> , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>>wrote:> > Dear List,> >> > Hope all of your are fine.> > I have questions about 7th House sig which I am putting for your>consideration.> > Please ans these questions in terms of Natal Chart not Horary.> >> > a. In natal chart, suppose, by any reason it is predicted that the>merriage will not be successful ( lack of mental compatibility,>widowhood, divorce etc). It is seen that the native will have second>merriage. All these is seen from 7th sub-lord. Now how the same 7th>sub-lord may be used to predict the following:> >> > 1. How to predict that the second merriage will be peaceful and>sucessful?> >> > 2. The 7th sub lord tells all about the merried partner. How to>predict about the second partner's personality, occupation etc? Many>a times it is seen that first partner was from same religion/cast and>second one is not, or vice versa.> >> > 3. How to predict more than 2 merriages?> >> > 4. How to predict merriage with a widow or a widower or a divorcee?> >> > Example:> > In my neighbour's case, he had a very quarrelsome merriage and then>things ended in a divorce. He had a second merriage which is very>peaceful, after around 15y. ( natal chart is not there with me, just>given as an example to clearify my point)> >> > My maternal grandfather did 3 merriages. Previous two wives died.>My maternal grandmother was the 3rd one.( natal chart is not there>with me, just given as an example to clearify my point)> >> > So in such cases how to predict from the natal chart as natal chart>has only one 7th house. So same 7th sub-lord will show disputes or>less marital bliss then how the same 7th sub-lord shows success in>next merriage or vice versa.> > -->-----------------------------> > b. My next question is about the merriage and partnership. Suppose>in the life of the native, he/she is having happy married life but un->happy partnership in business or vice versa.> >> > How to find it?> >> > Please ans in the reference to the natal chart readings.> >> > Your enlightening findings are eagerly awaited.> >> > regards,> > Anurodh> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

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Dear Sri.Udupa,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

The question that has come up before the Forum is indeed very

interesting and ticklish and I am sure that others perhaps more

knowledgable members will surely throw light on this point and such a

situation is eagerly awaited.

 

I have always felt that questions relating to life and well being of

human beings are more interesting and important and addressing these

issues as effectively as possible and relieve the anxiety and tension

of the concerned person, to the best of one's ability is perhaps

the " KEY OBJECTIVE OF ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS " . This way it will be

a service, if done with due deligence, to the society in general.

Event based predictions will be thrilling and quite satisfying as

there is no time delay in knowing the end results of prediction,

whereas the subject question involves a lot of delay and hence

boredom and uninteresting.

 

I would like to put the following points before you and the Forum:

 

1. I agree with you that the Astrologer must attempt to assimilate

the psychological factors of the couple in question. The Asc sublord

and related issues could be a good tool to analyse. Needless to

mention that any number or all the factors of prediction process and

method has to be nevertheless applied holistically to draw any

inference.

 

2. Astrologer's own mindset to almost do a 'Hangman's job' to suggest

divorce etc., is moral barrier and makes the job extremely critical.

Just for your information in 2004, I had to that job and the girl

started crying loudly (and her little son too). Now as predicted the

divorce is legally through along with the custody of child and

compensation etc. What remains to be seen is the chance of second

marriage.

 

3. About the basic question of the second or " n " th marriage is

dependent on the particular planet involved to offer the result of

2nd marriage along with the usual considerations of stellar and

sublord significations and obviously their relationship with the 11th

cusp sublord, 11th Bhava, planets if any, posited etc. This would

clearly indicate whether the second partner relationship would be

harmonious or not.

 

4. The crux of the matter is application of mind with dedication and

ability to get a bird's eye view of the entire chart at a glance, in

relation to subject issue.

 

5. Another point which I have not mentioned earlier is the corelation

of the planet etc., to Chara and Dual rashis (to indicate more than

one and duality etc) and the very nature and inherent characteristics

of the planet/s and rashis involved in the process.

 

As I understand, the books at best could decribe the principle with

some reasoning, but the actual application of that in a practical

situation is extremely complex and you are quite aware of it.

Ultimately, the subject swings between " RULES AND EXCEPTIONS " , which

if call it as " SYNDROME " may not be wrong.

 

Regards,

 

K Jagadish

---

 

 

, AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:

> Dear Jagdish

>

> Mr. Anurodh has thrown up a set of knotty questions. The

questions are very clear.

> It is good that you have tried to answer some of the questions. But

those are already covered in some book as you have mentioned. The

tricky thing is the basic question has gone unanswered ie how to find

out whether second marriage or " n " th marriage will be peaceful and be

a successful marriage-- you have only one 7th house and one cusp lord.

> This is a very important question. many people who have burnt

their fingers in the first marriage come and ask the astrologer

whether the same thing would not repeat if they marry again.

> I do not the answer directly. Possibly we have to see the

psychological issues in the horoscope.. If a person has behavioural

aberrations his/her marriage is more likely to go dogs than

otherwise. But if the character is good and a balanced personality

getting bad spouse second time is not ruled out. Hence if some

astological rules are there it would be very useful to guide the

people in their marital problems.

>

> Udupa

>

>

> kjagadish48 <kjagadish48> wrote:

> Dear Mr.Anurodh,

>

> Further to my earlier reply, I just thought that I can add these

> points which may make little more sense. To consolidate the earlier

> observations, please note the following points:

>

> 1. 7th Cusp sublord links - stellar level, sublord level, aspects

by

> other unfavourable (from the point of view of married relationship)

> planets, being posited in 6, 8 and 12th houses / Bhava.

>

> 2. In addition to the above points, there will be a very strong

link

> with the dual signs (predominantly Gemni and then Virgo), its lords

> and their aspects. Therefore Mercury may play a very important role

> in such matters of duality / multiplexity. Moreover, Mercury is a

> very fast moving planet. It will be very close to Sun and not more

> than 18 to 20 degrees maximum.

>

> 3. For the married life to get derailed, ofcourse many other points

> as described in the books too are pertinant.

>

> It is needless to add no one can write all the points in the book

and

> therefore this Forum has a pivotal role to play.

>

> Regards,

>

> K Jagadish

> ---------------

> , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

> wrote:

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Hope all of your are fine.

> > I have questions about 7th House sig which I am putting for your

> consideration.

> > Please ans these questions in terms of Natal Chart not Horary.

> >

> > a. In natal chart, suppose, by any reason it is predicted that

the

> merriage will not be successful ( lack of mental compatibility,

> widowhood, divorce etc). It is seen that the native will have

second

> merriage. All these is seen from 7th sub-lord. Now how the same 7th

> sub-lord may be used to predict the following:

> >

> > 1. How to predict that the second merriage will be peaceful and

> sucessful?

> >

> > 2. The 7th sub lord tells all about the merried partner. How to

> predict about the second partner's personality, occupation etc?

Many

> a times it is seen that first partner was from same religion/cast

and

> second one is not, or vice versa.

> >

> > 3. How to predict more than 2 merriages?

> >

> > 4. How to predict merriage with a widow or a widower or a

divorcee?

> >

> > Example:

> > In my neighbour's case, he had a very quarrelsome merriage and

then

> things ended in a divorce. He had a second merriage which is very

> peaceful, after around 15y. ( natal chart is not there with me,

just

> given as an example to clearify my point)

> >

> > My maternal grandfather did 3 merriages. Previous two wives died.

> My maternal grandmother was the 3rd one.( natal chart is not there

> with me, just given as an example to clearify my point)

> >

> > So in such cases how to predict from the natal chart as natal

chart

> has only one 7th house. So same 7th sub-lord will show disputes or

> less marital bliss then how the same 7th sub-lord shows success in

> next merriage or vice versa.

> >

--

> -----------------------------

> > b. My next question is about the merriage and partnership.

Suppose

> in the life of the native, he/she is having happy married life but

un-

> happy partnership in business or vice versa.

> >

> > How to find it?

> >

> > Please ans in the reference to the natal chart readings.

> >

> > Your enlightening findings are eagerly awaited.

> >

> > regards,

> > Anurodh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

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Dear Kanak and Members,

 

Below is some details from the research file of Elizabeth Taylor who

legally married 8 times.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

Elizabeth Taylor, 02-1932, Sat, 02:15 GMT, London, 31N30, 00W10

 

1. 06-06-50 married hotel heir Nicky Hilton of 5 yrs her

senior; 29-01-51 divorced

2. 21-02-52 married British actor Michael Wilding of 19 yrs her

senior; 04-10-56 divorced

3. 02-02-57 married producer Mike Todd of 25 yrs her senior; 23-

03-58 became a widow when Todd was killed in a plane crash

4. 12-05-59 married singer, actor Eddie Fisher of 4 yrs her

senior; 06-03-64 divorced

5. 15-03-64 married actor Richard Burton, 7 yrs her senior; 26-

06-74 divorced

6. 10-10-75 remarried Richard Burton; 01-08-76 divorced

permanently

7. 04-12-76 married US senator John Warner of 5 yrs her

senior; 07-11-82 divorced

8. 06-10-91 married blue-collar worker in construction Larry

Fortensky of 20 yrs her junior; 30-08-95 separated; mid-1996

divorced

 

 

 

 

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tin win ji,

can you give birth date of Elizabeth Taylor ?

regards

kanak>"tw853" <tw853> > > Re: Rejoinder - Questions about 7th House sig>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:07:56 -0000>>>Dear Kanak and Members,>>Below is some details from the research file of Elizabeth Taylor who>legally married 8 times.>>Regards,>>tw>>>>Elizabeth Taylor, 02-1932, Sat, 02:15 GMT, London, 31N30, 00W10>>1. 06-06-50 married hotel heir Nicky Hilton of 5 yrs her>senior; 29-01-51 divorced>2. 21-02-52 married British actor Michael Wilding of 19 yrs her>senior; 04-10-56 divorced>3. 02-02-57 married producer Mike Todd of 25 yrs her senior; 23->03-58 became a widow when Todd was killed in a plane crash>4. 12-05-59 married singer, actor Eddie Fisher of 4 yrs her>senior; 06-03-64 divorced>5. 15-03-64 married actor Richard Burton, 7 yrs her senior; 26->06-74 divorced>6. 10-10-75 remarried Richard Burton; 01-08-76 divorced>permanently>7. 04-12-76 married US senator John Warner of 5 yrs her>senior; 07-11-82 divorced>8. 06-10-91 married blue-collar worker in construction Larry>Fortensky of 20 yrs her junior; 30-08-95 separated; mid-1996>divorced>>>>> , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>>wrote:> >>> With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free!

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Dear Kanak,

 

1. Very sorry for a missing date in typing of previous posting, i.e.

27-02-1932. (27 Feb 1932)

 

2. TOB 2:15 GMT is rated " A " and commonly used but 2:16 or 2:17 GMT

is perfect with Guruji KSK's rule of multiple marriage. (2:00 GMT

in her biography, My Daughter Elizabeth, by her mother Mrs. Taylor;

2:30 GMT in. her biography, Elizabeth: The Life of Elizabeth Taylor.

by Alexander Walker) (Two distinctive line-ups in her natal chart:

The first is Sun, Mercury, and Mars in Pisces opposed Neptune in

Virgo; the second is Venus conjunct Uranus in Aries. Also in Journal

of Astrology Vol. 23 Tula Sankranti Issue October-December 2002

Elizabeth Taylor: A detailed asto potrait of this Hollywood legend.

Ambica Gulati)

 

3. For rectification some more timeline---

 

a/ 1939 emigrated back to LA, US

 

b/ 06-01-53 born first son with Wilding

 

c/ 27-02- 55 second son with Wilding

 

d/ 06-08-57 daughter with Todd

 

e/ March 1961 life threatening illness with pneumonia in London

 

f/10-04-61 won first Oscar academy award for her role

in " Butterfield " .

 

g/ 1963 the first actress to earn at that time the unheard one

million dollar for one film " Cleopatra " .

 

h/ 17-04-67 second Oscar for " Who is Afraid of Virginia Wolf? "

 

i/ 1995 two hip replacement surgeries

 

j/ 20-02-1997 brain surgery to remove a benign brain tumor

 

k/ 19-08-99 hospitalised for a fall at home

 

l/ June 2002 radiation treatment for skin cancer

 

m/ November 2004 has been diagnosed with congestive heart failure

 

 

4. For matching & multiple marriage birth details of her husbands

 

a/ Nicky Hilton, 06-07-1926, 08:00 CST (+6:00), Dallas, TX, US,

32N47, 96W49

 

b/ Mike 19-06-1911, 01:00 CST (+6:00), Minneapolis, MN, US,

44N59, 93W16 (Pl correct the previous age difference 25 to 21.)

 

c/ Eddie Fisher, 10-08-1928, 07:42 EDT (+5:00), Philadelphia, PA,

US, 39N57, 75W09

 

d/ Richard Burton, 10-11-1925, 15:00 GMT, Pontrhydfendigaid, Wales,

UK, 52N17, 03W51

 

e/ John Warner, 18-02-1927, 13:55 EST (+5:00), Washington,US,

38N53, 77W02

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

P.S. lat & olg of Sikri, perhaps a homeviallage of a holy man can

not be found in East & West Sws and in large RAND MAcNALLY, Atlas of

the World, Masterpiece EDition and also in the internet.

 

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tin Win ji,

thnaks

>P.S. lat & olg of Sikri, perhaps a homeviallage of a holy man can>not be found in East & West Sws and in large RAND MAcNALLY, Atlas of>the World, Masterpiece EDition and also in the internet.>can you give URL . it will use full to all members.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kanak,

 

For cross checking birth details of E Taylor's children ---

 

a/ Michael Wilding, 06-01-1953, 23:47 PST (+8:00, Santa Monica, CA,

US, 34N01, 118W29

 

b/ Michael Wilding, 27-02-1955, 18:05 PST (+8:00, Santa Monica, CA,

US, 34N01, 118W29

 

c/ Liza 06-08-1957, 12:03 EDT (+5:00), New York, NY, US,

40N42, 74W00

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

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wrote:

>

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5-12-1901.... 00:30 am Chaicogo ...USA>>>.

 

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Kanak Bosmia

Sunday, July 31, 2005 4:39 PM

RE: Re: Rejoinder - Questions about 7th House sig

 

 

 

Dear Tin win ji,

can you give birth date of Elizabeth Taylor ?

regards

kanak>"tw853" <tw853> > > Re: Rejoinder - Questions about 7th House sig>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:07:56 -0000>>>Dear Kanak and Members,>>Below is some details from the research file of Elizabeth Taylor who>legally married 8 times.>>Regards,>>tw>>>>Elizabeth Taylor, 02-1932, Sat, 02:15 GMT, London, 31N30, 00W10>>1. 06-06-50 married hotel heir Nicky Hilton of 5 yrs her>senior; 29-01-51 divorced>2. 21-02-52 married British actor Michael Wilding of 19 yrs her>senior; 04-10-56 divorced>3. 02-02-57 married producer Mike Todd of 25 yrs her senior; 23->03-58 became a widow when Todd was killed in a plane crash>4. 12-05-59 married singer, actor Eddie Fisher of 4 yrs her>senior; 06-03-64 divorced>5. 15-03-64 married actor Richard Burton, 7 yrs her senior; 26->06-74 divorced>6. 10-10-75 remarried Richard Burton; 01-08-76 divorced>permanently>7. 04-12-76 married US senator John Warner of 5 yrs her>senior; 07-11-82 divorced>8. 06-10-91 married blue-collar worker in construction Larry>Fortensky of 20 yrs her junior; 30-08-95 separated; mid-1996>divorced>>>>> , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>>wrote:> >>>

 

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