[KPStellarResearch] Study for rectification

July 24, 2005

Dear Hasmukhabhai,

I have give reference in my past mail about Baskaran's books BUT THIS BOOK IS ALSO ON THE RULING PLANET.

From last 2 Year i am done my cliant's birth time rectification as per Baskaran's book but the procedure is lengthy and more maths calculation requir so only astrologer who khnow astrological match only do this.this is the reson that this theory not popular.

some times a go i request raichur ji to devlop a software base on Baskarns theory.( if raichur ji remember.)

In my experiance i am very happy with this baskarns theory.but THE DRAWBACK IS ASTROLOGYCAL MATH IS MUST TO KNOW.

regards

kanak>Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik> > >Re: [KPStellarResearch] Re: Re: Study for rectification>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:23:27 -0700 (PDT)>>>Dear list members,>>>>I think we are missing some important links while discussing the>>subject of birth-time rectification.>>>>The theory of ascendant sub-lord “telling” the moon connection of>>late Mr M P Shanmugam strongly supported by Mr Lajmi has not>>convinced many of the list-members. This theory has not been discussed>>by late Guruji KSK himself in his literature.>>>>Detailed experiments have been done by Mr K Baskaran and a book>>titled “Secrets of RP and Birth-Time” showing many practical examples>>has been brought out by him recently with supportive notes by>>Mr A R Balan and Mr S P Khullar, both the authors are well-known to>>KP students. I think it is worth reading by the persons interested in this>>subject. I am sure there is something more to “tell” than already>>discussed so far.>>>>Hamukhrai J Mehta.>>>tw853 <tw853 wrote:Dear Sandy,>>1. I fully agree with your conclusion-->>"I think several list members through their research have proven>what doesn't work - now we need to find what does..." (KP or non-KP)>>>>2. I hope Yogesh Rao Lajmi may verify the exact BOT of your spouse>(His birth data is Jan 6, 1949, 8:46 PM, Northampton, MA USA, Zone>5, no DST),if he can really demonstrate the method what he has been>jsut talking and talking, and of course the method is reliable>because luckily your spouse is still alive.>>My sincere wish and prayer for your spouse's health,>>Regards,>>tw>>>> , "Sandy Crowther"><sandycrowther@a...> wrote:> > Dear Ron and Group,> >> > Ron - you wrote:> >> > "PS. Anyone wishing to check the RP method of rectification>could also use> > this experiment to see if their system works."> >> > Having virtually no success rate whatsoever with birth time>rectification> > using RP's, I have been researching P3's (tertiary progressions*),>and have> > had a few impressive 'hits' in charts I have had the time to>research - when> > the birth time is known within a relatively short period of time.>However,> > in order for this methodology to be completely acceptable for me>(or> > anyone), I realize that I have to find more time to research more>charts on> > a larger scale - but - in order for this research to be effective,>past> > events must be known so that "hits" can be seen and evaluated (or>not).> >> > With respect to rectification, the only thing that makes sense to>me> > personally is to base the rectification on "hits" that line up>perfectly> > with past events - for example: no hit = absolutely wrong birth>time -> > especially when we are evaluating MAJOR life events. However, I>may be> > stepping on some KP toes here because in order to do this type of>research> > effectively, KP practitioners must be willing to think "outside>the KP box"> > to add a few more techniques to their "KP toolbox (or repertoire) ->and I> > fully understand that some KP practitioners are simply unwilling>to go any> > further with KP research other than what has already been written>about and> > accepted by prominent authors of the KP writings to date. So>tertiary> > investigation is very likely to be an unacceptable methodology of>research> > to those of you who fall in this category. And that's OK - I'm not>writing> > this to challenge your beliefs or expand your boundaries about>what is> > acceptable in KP (or not), so please take no offense. To me, the>bottom line> > is that no "written" methodology - to date - has proven to have a> > significant success rate, so it might just be time for some of us>to think> > "outside the box". KSK certainly encouraged research from his>serious minded> > students...> >> > (*For those unfamiliar with tertiaries (tertiary progressions or>P3's, they> > simply refer to a day in the ephemeris being equal to a lunar>month in the> > life of the native (a little less than the average calendar month.>Many> > western software programs calculate tertiaries.> >> > What got me interested in (finally) further investigating birth>time> > rectification tools was a couple of things that occurred for me>personally> > in the month of June - both involving family members and matters>of life and> > death. The major concern for me was the fact that my husband had a>(near> > fatal) heart attack on June 11, 2005. (His birth data is Jan 6,>1949, 8:46> > PM, Northampton, MA USA, Zone 5, no DST). According to the>Cardiologists, he> > would have died if I had not convinced him to go the the hospital>emergency> > room to see if he was - in fact - having a heart attack - as I>suspected -> > or indigestion - as he suspected. The time given on his birth>record is 8:46> > PM. If I rectify this time to 8:47:35, P3 (tertiary) Mars (badhaka>4th lord> > of the heart) opposes natal Ascendant to the exact minute in>Saturn's sign> > (who conjoins Asc. natally from the 12th). Dasa running for him was> > Mo/Ve/Me. Bhukti Venus is in the 4th in Mars house Mercury's>star...and> > there is so much more that simply both adds up and lines up...not>only in> > his chart but also in mine - and which clearly points to a time of>serious> > trouble.> >> > Anyway - the point of this email is not to aggravate anyone ->please forgive> > me if I have done that as that is not my intent. The point is that>we, as> > astrologers, still do not have an infallible rectification tool ->which is> > the bottom line and the basis for all correct predictions. This>area needs> > some serious work. Tertiary progressions (P3's) were widely>introduced by> > Richard Houck in his book "Astrology of Death", and I feel that>both he and> > KSK were onto to some important discoveries - if the two had met>before they> > left the earth - perhaps we would not have any rectification>questions to> > ponder. But as it still stands - we still do...and investigating>our> > questions and methodologies are the only way to uncover a more>fruitful and> > reliable method for fine-tuning the birth time. I think several>list members> > through their research have proven what doesn't work - now we need>to find> > what does...> >> > For those of you who are happy with methods you already use for> > rectification - please just ignore this email...I'm just>expressing my> > simple-minded opinions on an aspect of astrology that has long>interested me> > as an area needing more investigative work...> >> >> > All the Best,> >><http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy> > Crowther> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > KPStellarResearch > > [KPStellarResearch ] On Behalf Of>rongaunt@b...> > au> > Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:28 AM> > > > Cc: KPStellarResearch > > [KPStellarResearch] Re: Re: Study for>rectification> >> >> >> > Dear Udupa,> >> > Well said. We need a few more astrologers who are willing to> > experiment and put to the test what they have been told.> > Unfortunately you are a lone voice at present, so I will make it> > easier. We will cut down the time span to only one hour and> > increase the 'hit' time to within 5 minutes. Now the chances of> > success are much better. With 5 minutes either side of a> > selected point this makes 10 minutes out of the hour.> > Therefore purely by chance one should score a hit in one in 6> > charts. Any more like to put themselves on the line before I> > start looking for data?> >> >> > Ron Gaunt> >> >> > PS. Lack of success in this experiment does not mean that a> > person is a poor astrologer. It simply means that he> > may have to question the validity of whatever system he> > uses, if it does not produce the correct results.> >> >> >> > On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:28:03 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:> >> > >Dear Ron,> > > This will be a good experiment. The actual birth time should>not be> > revealed in the beginning. No events in the life of the native>also should> > be indicated. Then we can see whether ASc sublord-Moon relation>or RP> > method gives correct time.> > >udupa> > >> > >Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > >Dear Ron,> > >This point was raised before (as Kanak said in a recent posting)>and> > >nothing came out of it. My view is when we use RPs to determine>if a> > >given birth time is correct, we can at best use it as>a "Necessary"> > >condition, not a "Sufficient" condition for correctness. That is,>if> > >RPs do not match the birth RPs, the birth time is wrong. If the>RPs> > >match birth RPs, birth time "could be" correct. This HAS to be> > >further tallied with life events.> > >> > >For newly borns, we could tally events of blood relatives from>the> > >child's chart.> > >> > >Regards,> > >Rangarajan> > >> > > , "rongaunt@b... au"> > ><rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > >>> > >> Dear Mr Rao,> > >>> > >> I do understand that KP offers differences when looking at twins> > >> and triplets - but this isn't the subject we are discussing.>The> > >> subject is rectification.> > >>> > >> I can see how seductive this method is. One takes a TOB and> > >> checks the Sub Lord of the Ascendant against the Star Lord of>the> > >> Moon. Chances are that the two lords will be fairly close to> > >> each other in their order of list progression. If the Lord in> > >> question is in the adjacent sub it appears near enough to make> > >> one think this must be the correct indicator (if one believes>the> > >> system is valid). Note when we take an adjacent sub ie on> > >> either side of the one calculated this gives a 1 in 3 chance of> > >> being close to the birth time. It is so easy then to think we> > >> have got it spot on. The problem is how do we know that it is> > >> correct? I know we can check a chart for past events, but> > >> every seasoned astrologer knows that you can always see what> > >> you want to see in a chart.> > >>> > >>> > >> If you or any other astrologer would like to check the validity> > >> of this system I will be happy to provide an experiment. I> > >> will produce say 5 AA rated charts where the birth is quoted not> > >> on the hour or half hour etc. I will set the TOB within a time> > >> frame of say 2 hours. The object would be to find the time> > >> within say 4 minutes of that quoted. If four out of the five> > >> birth times are calculated correctly I will be impressed and> > >> concede that the system works.> > >>> > >>> > >> Ron Gaunt> > >>> > >>> > >> PS. Anyone wishing to check the RP method of rectification> > >> could also use this experiment to see if their system> > >> works.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

July 24, 2005

Dear Hasmukhrai, Kanak,

1. Thanks a lot for your explanations.

2. As mentioned in point 3 of Msg#5028, in the conclusion of K.

Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96), four

astrologers got varied RPs & corrected TOBs for the same chart by the

same Rule.

3. It's also interesting that in her book KP'S ASTROLOGY & PRIME

MINISTERS, 2000, pp 59-99, Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan, saying TOB must

be invariably rectified with help of RPs as propounded by Sri KSK,

uses Indira Gandhi's TOB of 23:40:48 IST which is closed to 11:39 PM

obtained by Zip Dobyns while she was in India, the same as given by

Raman in his Astrological Magazine. As mentioned in Msg#3101, the most

commonly used TOB is 11:11 PM and Robert Jansky quotes her private

secretary " 41 Ghatis 52 Phals and 23 Viphas=11:11:14 PM IST; in her

biography by Pranay Gupte " about 11 PM " , by Katherine Frank " around 11

PM " referring her grandmother's statement. (I hope RP Rule can be used

for natives dead or alive since Karma will follow to the next lives.)

4. A practical demonstration of Khullar's BOT rectification for

Indira Gandhi or Tony Blair will be also interesting if someone who

mentioned his method in this forum can do it.

Thanks and regards,

tw

P.S.

I'm not a practioner of BOT rectification and that is why I'm asking

practitioners for practical demonstration like Kanak used to do by

putting up all the cards on the table and this the only way to learn

practically.

YOUR TRUE HOROSCOPE: Birth Time Rectification - S.P. Khullar

Contents: Acknowledgement; Introduction;

1. Human Being & Astrology: Modern gynecologists opinion of human

birth; Human being & the view point of Vedanta; Human being &

astrology;

2. Theories of Rectification of Birth Time: Tattva sidhant or nadi

theory of rectification; The pre-natal epoch;

3. The Ruling Planet & Construction of Horoscopes: Ruling planet &

schools of thought; Application of ruling planets & construction of

horoscope; Calculation of moon's period in a day;

4. Construction of True Horoscope: Formation of ascendant; Formation

of other cuspal positions; Rectification of cuspal positions to

reflect genetical connections; Composite approach to the rectification

of chart; 14 very detailed rectifications.

Comment: Kalamsa theory (in the book above) only works if you have a

very accurate birth time, and so this book. The survey of various

methods of rectification is detailed, with useful tables & analysis.

The technique that Khullar settles on is an horary one: He uses the

precise time he is asked to rectify a chart and finds links between

that time, and the final rectified time of birth, using subs & sub-

subs. His demonstrations are progressive, staring with a question of

half an hour, to half a day, to day of the week, month or even year,

showing how the basic technique works in various circumstances. Once

the basic time has been fixed, it is further refined, either by events

in the life (eg, accidents), or on the basis of the reason behind

asking for the time in the first place (eg, I want to get married, but

don't have my birth-time). Khullar uses Placidus cusps & true node.

The fourteen fully-worked rectifications at the end comprise half the

book.

Sagar, 231 pages.

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

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July 24, 2005

Dear Tin win ji,

i am post rectification of Osamabin laden some time a go. but no one notice about it. this rectification is base on Baskarn's Theory.

any one can read from: http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/Feedback.asp?ChartID=43296 also

regards

kanak>"tw853" <tw853> > >[KPStellarResearch] Re: Re: Study for rectification>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:25:31 -0000>>Dear Hasmukhrai, Kanak,>>>1. Thanks a lot for your explanations.>>2. As mentioned in point 3 of Msg#5028, in the conclusion of K.>Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96), four>astrologers got varied RPs & corrected TOBs for the same chart by the>same Rule.>>3. It's also interesting that in her book KP'S ASTROLOGY & PRIME>MINISTERS, 2000, pp 59-99, Mrs. Kousalya Sattainathan, saying TOB must>be invariably rectified with help of RPs as propounded by Sri KSK,>uses Indira Gandhi's TOB of 23:40:48 IST which is closed to 11:39 PM>obtained by Zip Dobyns while she was in India, the same as given by>Raman in his Astrological Magazine. As mentioned in Msg#3101, the most>commonly used TOB is 11:11 PM and Robert Jansky quotes her private>secretary "41 Ghatis 52 Phals and 23 Viphas=11:11:14 PM IST; in her>biography by Pranay Gupte "about 11 PM", by Katherine Frank "around 11>PM" referring her grandmother's statement. (I hope RP Rule can be used>for natives dead or alive since Karma will follow to the next lives.)>>4. A practical demonstration of Khullar's BOT rectification for>Indira Gandhi or Tony Blair will be also interesting if someone who>mentioned his method in this forum can do it.>>>Thanks and regards,>>tw>>>P.S.>>I'm not a practioner of BOT rectification and that is why I'm asking>practitioners for practical demonstration like Kanak used to do by>putting up all the cards on the table and this the only way to learn>practically.>>>>YOUR TRUE HOROSCOPE: Birth Time Rectification - S.P. Khullar>>Contents: Acknowledgement; Introduction;>1. Human Being & Astrology: Modern gynecologists opinion of human>birth; Human being & the view point of Vedanta; Human being & >astrology;>>2. Theories of Rectification of Birth Time: Tattva sidhant or nadi>theory of rectification; The pre-natal epoch;>>3. The Ruling Planet & Construction of Horoscopes: Ruling planet & >schools of thought; Application of ruling planets & construction of>horoscope; Calculation of moon's period in a day;>>4. Construction of True Horoscope: Formation of ascendant; Formation>of other cuspal positions; Rectification of cuspal positions to>reflect genetical connections; Composite approach to the rectification>of chart; 14 very detailed rectifications.>>Comment: Kalamsa theory (in the book above) only works if you have a>very accurate birth time, and so this book. The survey of various>methods of rectification is detailed, with useful tables & analysis.>The technique that Khullar settles on is an horary one: He uses the>precise time he is asked to rectify a chart and finds links between>that time, and the final rectified time of birth, using subs & sub->subs. His demonstrations are progressive, staring with a question of>half an hour, to half a day, to day of the week, month or even year,>showing how the basic technique works in various circumstances. Once>the basic time has been fixed, it is further refined, either by events>in the life (eg, accidents), or on the basis of the reason behind>asking for the time in the first place (eg, I want to get married, but>don't have my birth-time). Khullar uses Placidus cusps & true node.>The fourteen fully-worked rectifications at the end comprise half the>book.>>Sagar, 231 pages.>>>>>> , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>>wrote:> >>> Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar–FREE!