RE: [KPStellarResearch] Study for rectification

July 23, 2005

Dear Ron and Group,

Ron - you wrote:

"PS. Anyone wishing to check the RP method of rectification could also use this experiment to see if their system works."

Having virtually no success rate whatsoever with birth time rectification using RP's, I have been researching P3's (tertiary progressions*), and have had a few impressive 'hits' in charts I have had the time to research - when the birth time is known within a relatively short period of time. However, in order for this methodology to be completely acceptable for me (or anyone), I realize that I have to find more time to research more charts on a larger scale - but - in order for this research to be effective, past events must be known so that "hits" can be seen and evaluated (or not).

With respect to rectification, the only thing that makes sense to me personally is to base the rectification on "hits" that line up perfectly with past events - for example: no hit = absolutely wrong birth time - especially when we are evaluating MAJOR life events. However, I may be stepping on some KP toes here because in order to do this type of research effectively, KP practitioners must be willing to think "outside the KP box" to add a few more techniques to their "KP toolbox (or repertoire) - and I fully understand that some KP practitioners are simply unwilling to go any further with KP research other than what has already been written about and accepted by prominent authors of the KP writings to date. So tertiary investigation is very likely to be an unacceptable methodology of research to those of you who fall in this category. And that's OK - I'm not writing this to challenge your beliefs or expand your boundaries about what is acceptable in KP (or not), so please take no offense. To me, the bottom line is that no "written" methodology - to date - has proven to have a significant success rate, so it might just be time for some of us to think "outside the box". KSK certainly encouraged research from his serious minded students...

(*For those unfamiliar with tertiaries (tertiary progressions or P3's, they simply refer to a day in the ephemeris being equal to a lunar month in the life of the native (a little less than the average calendar month. Many western software programs calculate tertiaries.

What got me interested in (finally) further investigating birth time rectification tools was a couple of things that occurred for me personally in the month of June - both involving family members and matters of life and death. The major concern for me was the fact that my husband had a (near fatal) heart attack on June 11, 2005. (His birth data is Jan 6, 1949, 8:46 PM, Northampton, MA USA, Zone 5, no DST). According to the Cardiologists, he would have died if I had not convinced him to go the the hospital emergency room to see if he was - in fact - having a heart attack - as I suspected - or indigestion - as he suspected. The time given on his birth record is 8:46 PM. If I rectify this time to 8:47:35, P3 (tertiary) Mars (badhaka 4th lord of the heart) opposes natal Ascendant to the exact minute in Saturn's sign (who conjoins Asc. natally from the 12th). Dasa running for him was Mo/Ve/Me. Bhukti Venus is in the 4th in Mars house Mercury's star...and there is so much more that simply both adds up and lines up...not only in his chart but also in mine - and which clearly points to a time of serious trouble.

Anyway - the point of this email is not to aggravate anyone - please forgive me if I have done that as that is not my intent. The point is that we, as astrologers, still do not have an infallible rectification tool - which is the bottom line and the basis for all correct predictions. This area needs some serious work. Tertiary progressions (P3's) were widely introduced by Richard Houck in his book "Astrology of Death", and I feel that both he and KSK were onto to some important discoveries - if the two had met before they left the earth - perhaps we would not have any rectification questions to ponder. But as it still stands - we still do...and investigating our questions and methodologies are the only way to uncover a more fruitful and reliable method for fine-tuning the birth time. I think several list members through their research have proven what doesn't work - now we need to find what does...

For those of you who are happy with methods you already use for rectification - please just ignore this email...I'm just expressing my simple-minded opinions on an aspect of astrology that has long interested me as an area needing more investigative work...

All the Best,

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

KPStellarResearch [KPStellarResearch ] On Behalf Of rongaunt auSaturday, July 23, 2005 8:28 AM Cc: KPStellarResearch Subject: [KPStellarResearch] Re: Re: Study for rectificationDear Udupa,Well said. We need a few more astrologers who are willing toexperiment and put to the test what they have been told.Unfortunately you are a lone voice at present, so I will make iteasier. We will cut down the time span to only one hour andincrease the 'hit' time to within 5 minutes. Now the chances ofsuccess are much better. With 5 minutes either side of aselected point this makes 10 minutes out of the hour.Therefore purely by chance one should score a hit in one in 6charts. Any more like to put themselves on the line before Istart looking for data?Ron GauntPS. Lack of success in this experiment does not mean that a person is a poor astrologer. It simply means that he may have to question the validity of whatever system he uses, if it does not produce the correct results. On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:28:03 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:>Dear Ron,> This will be a good experiment. The actual birth time should not be revealed in the beginning. No events in the life of the native also should be indicated. Then we can see whether ASc sublord-Moon relation or RP method gives correct time.>udupa>>Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:>Dear Ron,>This point was raised before (as Kanak said in a recent posting) and >nothing came out of it. My view is when we use RPs to determine if a >given birth time is correct, we can at best use it as a "Necessary" >condition, not a "Sufficient" condition for correctness. That is, if >RPs do not match the birth RPs, the birth time is wrong. If the RPs >match birth RPs, birth time "could be" correct. This HAS to be >further tallied with life events.>>For newly borns, we could tally events of blood relatives from the >child's chart.>>Regards,>Rangarajan>> , "rongaunt@b... au" ><rongaunt@b...> wrote:>> >> Dear Mr Rao,>> >> I do understand that KP offers differences when looking at twins>> and triplets - but this isn't the subject we are discussing. The>> subject is rectification. >> >> I can see how seductive this method is. One takes a TOB and>> checks the Sub Lord of the Ascendant against the Star Lord of the>> Moon. Chances are that the two lords will be fairly close to>> each other in their order of list progression. If the Lord in>> question is in the adjacent sub it appears near enough to make>> one think this must be the correct indicator (if one believes the>> system is valid). Note when we take an adjacent sub ie on>> either side of the one calculated this gives a 1 in 3 chance of>> being close to the birth time. It is so easy then to think we>> have got it spot on. The problem is how do we know that it is>> correct? I know we can check a chart for past events, but>> every seasoned astrologer knows that you can always see what>> you want to see in a chart.>> >> >> If you or any other astrologer would like to check the validity>> of this system I will be happy to provide an experiment. I>> will produce say 5 AA rated charts where the birth is quoted not>> on the hour or half hour etc. I will set the TOB within a time>> frame of say 2 hours. The object would be to find the time>> within say 4 minutes of that quoted. If four out of the five>> birth times are calculated correctly I will be impressed and>> concede that the system works. >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>> >> >> PS. Anyone wishing to check the RP method of rectification>> could also use this experiment to see if their system >> works.>>>>>>