Astrological Prediction Description Language (APDL)-- a proposal

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Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

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Dear Mr.Udupa,

It would be a very good idea to develop a standard "notation" for communication in K.P.

I have been using the Roman figures to denote houses,and s/l for sublord ...for example I,II ...XI etc.,and s/l of I...s/l of XII,etc., and

This could be put for discussion, to arrive at an agreed-by-consesus solution to this problem...

More suggestions are invited...and the moderator is requested to look into the feasibility of this please...(attn. Mr.Punit Pandey)

With best wishes...

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

 

 

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Dear Uupa,

very good idea

regards

kanak>AH Udupa <ahudupa> >KP > Astrological Prediction Description Language (APDL)-- a proposal>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 04:24:24 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Members>I have a proposal.> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.> In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.> Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.>Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc>For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H>All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L>All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C>All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc>Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg>Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu>Ke--Ketu> And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......>Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.> This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.> Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.> Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.>>Wth regards,>Udupa>>>> Start your day with - make it your home page Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger with Video Conversation - it's FREE!

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Dear Udupa,

I like your idea. I have in the past expressed many of the concerns

you have expressed in your recent postings, particularly about

astrology being called a " Science " , lack of rigour, etc. Over the

last one year I have been working on a visual modeling language for

representing and reasoning about astrological facts. In my opinion

such a visual notation is likely to be friendlier than a pure

textual notation. Anyway, we seem to be thinking similarly. Sadly, I

do not see our ideas getting adopted that easily since in my

experience I find that many astrologers do not like to

be " challenged " and tend to resist new ideas. You will find examples

even in this forum.

 

Keep up the good work. Count on me if you need any help.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:

> Dear Members

> I have a proposal.

> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by

many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we

discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a

Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most

of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces

thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a

working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

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Dear Udupa ,Jagdish and Rangarajan,

 

I am happy there you have not given up on TOB rectn. and issues

relating to stanadardisation.

 

I am a certified Lead auditor and connected with ISO certication

processes.All international standards requires rules and

regulations.furthermore there is a separate chapter on glossary of

terms,where clear definitions are spelt out.eg There should be one

and only one definition for " Star " ,Starlord- " etc

As apart of processes we use calculations,using ayanamsa,planetary

movements,definition of birth times etc.Where software is used,a

standardised software,with its constituents identified,classified and

finally approved.Then only apples will remain apples,oranges will

remain oranges.

 

As far as TOB rectification is concerned,when the actual birth time

is not defined,what are you verifying? I was conceived in one place

delivered in another,lived elswhere.But we take birthplace as

sacrosant and predict on that of course with RPs etc.I would feel if

you stay in one place for long,your system changes including

responses to life situations.This is indisputable.

 

Take for example calculation of birth chart,use all the available

softwares in current use.You will be amazed with the differences in

figures you get.I do it often to check on accuracies of data.In this

scenario for the same individual you will make him into saint and in

another god knows what.

 

KP is a reasonably straight forward system, to go into the mechanics

of prediction,unfortunatly, it demands accuarate birth time.I would

like to think Late Sri KSK was fully cognizant of the limitations of

the system,having worked on it for decades.He never revealed these

aspects,in his books and very wisely.Today we are discussing only

because of internet facilities,otherwise how would Indians ever get

connected to Australians or Americans.Thank God for that.

 

Let us all enjoy the journey,destination is way over the horizon.

 

 

God Bless!

 

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

> Dear Udupa,

> I like your idea. I have in the past expressed many of the concerns

> you have expressed in your recent postings, particularly about

> astrology being called a " Science " , lack of rigour, etc. Over the

> last one year I have been working on a visual modeling language for

> representing and reasoning about astrological facts. In my opinion

> such a visual notation is likely to be friendlier than a pure

> textual notation. Anyway, we seem to be thinking similarly. Sadly,

I

> do not see our ideas getting adopted that easily since in my

> experience I find that many astrologers do not like to

> be " challenged " and tend to resist new ideas. You will find

examples

> even in this forum.

>

> Keep up the good work. Count on me if you need any help.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:

> > Dear Members

> > I have a proposal.

> > The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by

> many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we

> discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a

> Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most

> of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces

> thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a

> working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

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Udupa ji & Friends,

 

Indeed very nice idea. As we all know that it require a lot of collective hard work is required to review and come up with such a standard. I would like to know who all are interested in volunteering in this effort and then we can finalize a plan for that. We can also decide one date/ time and have a chat session (

/chat). Let me know what can be the best time for it? In fact, it can be the first step to increase collaboration among group members and improve learning and research here.

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

On 7/23/05, AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

 

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

 

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

 

 

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Dear Punit,

I am definitely interested. Before we have the chat, do you think it

would be wise to define our objectives, etc.?

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Udupa ji & Friends,

> Indeed very nice idea. As we all know that it require a lot of

collective

> hard work is required to review and come up with such a standard.

I would

> like to know who all are interested in volunteering in this effort

and then

> we can finalize a plan for that. We can also decide one date/ time

and have

> a chat session (/chat).

Let me know

> what can be the best time for it? In fact, it can be the first

step to

> increase collaboration among group members and improve learning

and research

> here.

> Thanks & Regards,

> Punit Pandey

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit, Rangarajan, Udupa and Group,

 

I'm willing to support this effort.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

> Dear Punit,

> I am definitely interested. Before we have the chat, do you think

it

> would be wise to define our objectives, etc.?

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > Udupa ji & Friends,

> > Indeed very nice idea. As we all know that it require a lot of

> collective

> > hard work is required to review and come up with such a

standard.

> I would

> > like to know who all are interested in volunteering in this

effort

> and then

> > we can finalize a plan for that. We can also decide one date/

time

> and have

> > a chat session (/chat).

> Let me know

> > what can be the best time for it? In fact, it can be the first

> step to

> > increase collaboration among group members and improve learning

> and research

> > here.

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Punit Pandey

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Udupa,

Here are some thoughts and suggestions on your proposal for a

language.

1) Instead of characterizing the language as an astrological

prediction description language, is it fair to say it is a " Language

for Astrology " ? Prediction is one special aspect of astrology, but

we want to model all concepts pertinent to astrology (that might not

involve prediction).

2) Could we allow the standard English names of planets – Sun,

Moon, etc.? I suppose this will not cause any confusion. Similarly

for Sign names.

3) We should be careful that the brevity promised by a compact

notation does not introduce ambiguity in expressions. This

necessitates special delimiters such as parentheses and other

lexical conventions to be followed. Take the example you have

quoted: " for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean

Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord

Budha..... " . I can interpret in two ways:

a. (Sk pi 2H in NL Gr) in SL Bu => Shukra is in 2nd house. It

is in the nakshatra of Guru and sub of Budha;

b. Sk pi 2H in (NL Gr in SL Bu) => Shukra is in 2nd house. It

is in the nakshatra of Guru. Guru is in the sub of Budha.

Since in this formal language, " in " is a binary operator just as " * "

and " + " are in arithmetic, we have to provide mechanisms for

disambiguation. In this particular case I used parentheses as in

mathematical formulae to define the correct " associativity " .

4) Your particular focus on using the language for prediction

requires it to support more complex averments. The language needs to

evolve gradually keeping in mind various types of demands made on

it. We should be able to represent facts and statements from various

books and articles. As a starter, consider one definition of

connection between two planets:

A planet X is connected with planet Y when

i) X is in the sign or star or sub of Y

ii) X is conjoined with or aspected by Y

 

Consider what it takes to represent this formally in the language

you have in mind. As you can see there is a reference to a

previously defined (in this language) term " aspected by " . The

structure of the language needs to accommodate these possibilities.

 

You have begun well. With support from our esteemed members, it can

even become a reality.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:

> Dear Members

> I have a proposal.

> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by

many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we

discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a

Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most

of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces

thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a

working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

> In astrology we have so many rules and we need some

clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because

when people have to give a long hand description either they get

bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and

even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of

the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a

long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go

thro the analysis.

> Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in

general though grey areas do exist.

> Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe

astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL,

it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies

etc

> For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

> All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

> All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

> All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL

etc

> Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all

planets eg

> Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk--

Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

> Ke--Ketu

> And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in

SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord

Guru, In Sublord Budha......

> Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections,

results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

> This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy

of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability

for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

> Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of

developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a

serious consideration and give me your inputs.

> Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it

in proper English or any other language so that a common man can

understand.

>

> Wth regards,

> Udupa

>

>

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

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Dear Members,

 

Further to my last posting on the subject, if we can request to

make provision for enclosing an 'attachment' in the Forum while

posting a message, it will be of immense use. One of us could create

a standard template (editable) in Word Document wherein the chart is

incorporated and any member who wishes to post a message can recall

this template off-line from his/her own system and lesiruely fill it

up giving due regard to the thought process and then post at once in

a few seconds. By this approach, typographical errors, possible

errors in formating can also be taken care off. All the resources of

the Word document like spell check, grammar check etc., might also

come in handy.

 

The template could be made very comprehensive in formating, keeping

in view of an excellent information write-up and retrieval too.

Therefore, it can even be called as an E-Form (electronic form).

Eventually, it will lead to an E-library.

 

If this suggestion could be implemented, it helps the members to

stack all the mails, index subjectwise and perhaps create sub-

headings too. The recall for reference whenever needed (off-line)

becomes very easy and convenient.

 

The hard work put in by memebers of the Forum to diseminate the

information will not only be received in the proper perspective, but

also inherit excellent presentation values too. It can be thus stored

as a permanent library which will be very handy to think further on

any given subject.

 

I understand to practically implement this plan co-operation of

is very essential as it amounts a small modification of the Forum

Engine. This modification is ofcourse simple, if they agree. Infact,

could very well implement the scheme for other Forums too and

we could present it as productive contribution from this Forum.

 

Regards,

 

K Jagadish

 

, AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:

> Dear Members

> I have a proposal.

> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by

many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we

discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a

Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of

the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces

thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a

working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

> In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear

lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when

people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and

more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their

language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader

who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding

analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the

analysis.

> Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in

general though grey areas do exist.

> Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe

astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it

can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

> For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

> All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

> All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

> All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL

etc

> Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets

eg

> Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk--

Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

> Ke--Ketu

> And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL

Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord

Guru, In Sublord Budha......

> Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections,

results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

> This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy

of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability

for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

> Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of

developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a

serious consideration and give me your inputs.

> Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in

proper English or any other language so that a common man can

understand.

>

> Wth regards,

> Udupa

>

>

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

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Dear Ranagrajan,

is it possible to write symbol of sign and planet in mail ? it is far better in my opinion.

also we have to creat symboe for starlord ,sublord, aspected by, etc maine using word in KP.

regards

kanak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In my opinion, graphical symbols are hard to use with softwares. Plain text is available in all software and is advisable.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

On 7/24/05, Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Ranagrajan,

is it possible to write symbol of sign and planet in mail ? it is far better in my opinion.

also we have to creat symboe for starlord ,sublord, aspected by, etc maine using word in KP.

regards

kanak

 

[Guest guest]

Rangrajan ji,

 

Good to know your interest. We will be requiring few more volunteer before we can take on to this (seemingly difficult) task. I would suggest the name of language as " Astrology Description Lanuage (ADL) " and remove the prediction word, as suggested by you. In my opinion, the agenda should be to freeze on some basic terminology of astrology (as suggested by Udupa) e.g. -

 

Planet Notations

Rasi Notations

House Notations

Planet in Rasi

Planet in Nakshatra

Planet in Sub

Planet in Sub Sub

Planet X aspecting Planet Y

Planet X aspected by Planet Y

 

Planet X aspecting Cusp A

Planet X aspected by Cusp A

X is aspecting Y with aspect Z (CONJ, OPP, TRINE etc.)

X is aspecting Y with hindu aspect Z (4 & 8th of Mars etc.)

Planet in House

Malefic

Benefic

 

This is a minimum list and we can think about other regularly used lexicons.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 7/24/05, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Punit,I am definitely interested. Before we have the chat, do you think itwould be wise to define our objectives, etc.?

Regards,Rangarajan , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> Udupa ji & Friends,> Indeed very nice idea. As we all know that it require a lot of

collective> hard work is required to review and come up with such a standard.I would> like to know who all are interested in volunteering in this effortand then> we can finalize a plan for that. We can also decide one date/ time

and have> a chat session (/chat).Let me know> what can be the best time for it? In fact, it can be the first

step to> increase collaboration among group members and improve learningand research> here.> Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kanak,

Although figures and graphical symbols are good for human beings, they

would be difficult to transmit as email messages - unless they are in

the form of attachment.

 

Coming up with standard symbols for various entities like sublord,

etc. is useful.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

 

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

The idea of chat group at appropriate time is good,but are overseas

friends may find it inconvenient.We can set the ball rolling by

drawing up an agenda for the meeting,sothat members can be ready for a

brain storming session.

 

Lets get cracking,we have debated enough.Any time in the weekday

evening or Sunday afternoons are ok( bye-bye siesta).

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

> Dear Kanak,

> Although figures and graphical symbols are good for human beings,

they

> would be difficult to transmit as email messages - unless they are

in

> the form of attachment.

>

> Coming up with standard symbols for various entities like sublord,

> etc. is useful.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

>

> , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

> wrote:

> >

[Guest guest]

To start with LET all members start using only ENGLISH names for planets i.e. Sun Moon Mars Mercury Jupiter Venus Saturn . The exception can be RAHU and KETU, as the

words DRangons Head and Tail are not very popular. We can use 2 letters only . Like SU, MO,

MA,ME,JU,VE,SA,RA,KE, NE,HE,PL: etc. Houses can be designated as H1...H12

CUSPS AS C1..C12. LORDS SL (SIGNLORD) STL(STARLORD) SBL(SUBLORD) SSL(SUBSUBLORD).

THE 12 SIGNS AGAIN USE ENGLISH NAMES ONLY; AR,TA,GE,CAN,LE,VI,LI,SC,SA,CAP,AQ,PI This is only a suggestion

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Udupa,Here are some thoughts and suggestions on your proposal for a language.1) Instead of characterizing the language as an astrological prediction description language, is it fair to say it is a "Language for Astrology"? Prediction is one special aspect of astrology, but we want to model all concepts pertinent to astrology (that might not involve prediction).2) Could we allow the standard English names of planets – Sun, Moon, etc.? I suppose this will not cause any confusion. Similarly for Sign names.3) We should be careful that the brevity promised by a compact notation does not introduce ambiguity in expressions. This necessitates special delimiters such as parentheses and other lexical conventions to be followed. Take the example you have quoted: "for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is

posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha.....". I can interpret in two ways:a. (Sk pi 2H in NL Gr) in SL Bu => Shukra is in 2nd house. It is in the nakshatra of Guru and sub of Budha;b. Sk pi 2H in (NL Gr in SL Bu) => Shukra is in 2nd house. It is in the nakshatra of Guru. Guru is in the sub of Budha.Since in this formal language, "in" is a binary operator just as "*" and "+" are in arithmetic, we have to provide mechanisms for disambiguation. In this particular case I used parentheses as in mathematical formulae to define the correct "associativity".4) Your particular focus on using the language for prediction requires it to support more complex averments. The language needs to evolve gradually keeping in mind various types of demands made on it. We should be able to represent facts and statements from various books and articles. As a starter, consider one definition of connection between two

planets: A planet X is connected with planet Y when i) X is in the sign or star or sub of Yii) X is conjoined with or aspected by YConsider what it takes to represent this formally in the language you have in mind. As you can see there is a reference to a previously defined (in this language) term "aspected by". The structure of the language needs to accommodate these possibilities.You have begun well. With support from our esteemed members, it can even become a reality.Regards,Rangarajan , AH Udupa wrote:> Dear Members> I have a proposal.> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company

produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.> In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.> Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.> Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc> For example all houses can be denoted as

1H, 2H------12H > All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L> All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C> All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc> Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg> Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu> Ke--Ketu> And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......> Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.> This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.> Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing

Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.> Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.> > Wth regards,> Udupa> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Raichur,

 

Yours are most commonly used symbols.

 

Highest regards,

 

tw

 

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> To start with LET all members start using only ENGLISH names for

planets i.e. Sun Moon Mars Mercury Jupiter Venus Saturn . The

exception can be RAHU and KETU, as the

> words DRangons Head and Tail are not very popular. We can use 2

letters only . Like SU, MO,

> MA,ME,JU,VE,SA,RA,KE, NE,HE,PL: etc. Houses can be designated as

H1...H12

> CUSPS AS C1..C12. LORDS SL (SIGNLORD) STL(STARLORD) SBL(SUBLORD)

SSL(SUBSUBLORD).

> THE 12 SIGNS AGAIN USE ENGLISH NAMES ONLY;

AR,TA,GE,CAN,LE,VI,LI,SC,SA,CAP,AQ,PI

> This is only a suggestion

>

> Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> Dear Udupa,

> Here are some thoughts and suggestions on your proposal for a

> language.

> 1) Instead of characterizing the language as an astrological

> prediction description language, is it fair to say it is

a " Language

> for Astrology " ? Prediction is one special aspect of astrology, but

> we want to model all concepts pertinent to astrology (that might

not

> involve prediction).

> 2) Could we allow the standard English names of planets – Sun,

> Moon, etc.? I suppose this will not cause any confusion. Similarly

> for Sign names.

> 3) We should be careful that the brevity promised by a compact

> notation does not introduce ambiguity in expressions. This

> necessitates special delimiters such as parentheses and other

> lexical conventions to be followed. Take the example you have

> quoted: " for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean

> Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord

> Budha..... " . I can interpret in two ways:

> a. (Sk pi 2H in NL Gr) in SL Bu => Shukra is in 2nd house. It

> is in the nakshatra of Guru and sub of Budha;

> b. Sk pi 2H in (NL Gr in SL Bu) => Shukra is in 2nd house. It

> is in the nakshatra of Guru. Guru is in the sub of Budha.

> Since in this formal language, " in " is a binary operator just

as " * "

> and " + " are in arithmetic, we have to provide mechanisms for

> disambiguation. In this particular case I used parentheses as in

> mathematical formulae to define the correct " associativity " .

> 4) Your particular focus on using the language for prediction

> requires it to support more complex averments. The language needs

to

> evolve gradually keeping in mind various types of demands made on

> it. We should be able to represent facts and statements from

various

> books and articles. As a starter, consider one definition of

> connection between two planets:

> A planet X is connected with planet Y when

> i) X is in the sign or star or sub of Y

> ii) X is conjoined with or aspected by Y

>

> Consider what it takes to represent this formally in the language

> you have in mind. As you can see there is a reference to a

> previously defined (in this language) term " aspected by " . The

> structure of the language needs to accommodate these possibilities.

>

> You have begun well. With support from our esteemed members, it

can

> even become a reality.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , AH Udupa wrote:

> > Dear Members

> > I have a proposal.

> > The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by

> many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we

> discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a

> Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most

> of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces

> thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a

> working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

> > In astrology we have so many rules and we need some

> clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because

> when people have to give a long hand description either they get

> bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and

> even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part

of

> the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a

> long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to

go

> thro the analysis.

> > Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in

> general though grey areas do exist.

> > Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe

> astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL,

> it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions,

inaccuracies

> etc

> > For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

> > All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

> > All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

> > All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL

> etc

> > Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all

> planets eg

> > Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk--

> Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

> > Ke--Ketu

> > And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in

> SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra

Lord

> Guru, In Sublord Budha......

> > Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections,

> results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

> > This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy

> of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability

> for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is

today.

> > Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of

> developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a

> serious consideration and give me your inputs.

> > Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it

> in proper English or any other language so that a common man can

> understand.

> >

> > Wth regards,

> > Udupa

> >

> >

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Raichur,

I too believe that your conventions are more widely applicable.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> Dear Sri Raichur,

>

> Yours are most commonly used symbols.

>

> Highest regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , anant raichur <anant_1608>

> wrote:

> > To start with LET all members start using only ENGLISH names for

> planets i.e. Sun Moon Mars Mercury Jupiter Venus Saturn . The

> exception can be RAHU and KETU, as the

> > words DRangons Head and Tail are not very popular. We can use 2

> letters only . Like SU, MO,

> > MA,ME,JU,VE,SA,RA,KE, NE,HE,PL: etc. Houses can be designated

as

> H1...H12

> > CUSPS AS C1..C12. LORDS SL (SIGNLORD) STL(STARLORD) SBL

(SUBLORD)

> SSL(SUBSUBLORD).

> > THE 12 SIGNS AGAIN USE ENGLISH NAMES ONLY;

> AR,TA,GE,CAN,LE,VI,LI,SC,SA,CAP,AQ,PI

> > This is only a suggestion

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Raichur,

I cannot agree with you more...the consensus should aim at arriving at a simple and easily practicable solution, without needlessly going about it so as to create a new and a multiple vocabulary...

Standardisation is very necessary,as presently in this very column, different contributers use their own vocabulary according to what they are accustomed to use...on a day-to-day basis...

This will be a very good idea,if agreed upon buy all, and implemented vigorously...all will benefit...

With highest regards,

Yours sincerely,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:

 

To start with LET all members start using only ENGLISH names for planets i.e. Sun Moon Mars Mercury Jupiter Venus Saturn . The exception can be RAHU and KETU, as the

words DRangons Head and Tail are not very popular. We can use 2 letters only . Like SU, MO,

MA,ME,JU,VE,SA,RA,KE, NE,HE,PL: etc. Houses can be designated as H1...H12

CUSPS AS C1..C12. LORDS SL (SIGNLORD) STL(STARLORD) SBL(SUBLORD) SSL(SUBSUBLORD).

THE 12 SIGNS AGAIN USE ENGLISH NAMES ONLY; AR,TA,GE,CAN,LE,VI,LI,SC,SA,CAP,AQ,PI This is only a suggestion

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Udupa,Here are some thoughts and suggestions on your proposal for a language.1) Instead of characterizing the language as an astrological prediction description language, is it fair to say it is a "Language for Astrology"? Prediction is one special aspect of astrology, but we want to model all concepts pertinent to astrology (that might not involve prediction).2) Could we allow the standard English names of planets – Sun, Moon, etc.? I suppose this will not cause any confusion. Similarly for Sign names.3) We should be careful that the brevity promised by a compact notation does not introduce ambiguity in expressions. This necessitates special delimiters such as parentheses and other lexical conventions to be followed. Take the example you have quoted: "for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is

posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha.....". I can interpret in two ways:a. (Sk pi 2H in NL Gr) in SL Bu => Shukra is in 2nd house. It is in the nakshatra of Guru and sub of Budha;b. Sk pi 2H in (NL Gr in SL Bu) => Shukra is in 2nd house. It is in the nakshatra of Guru. Guru is in the sub of Budha.Since in this formal language, "in" is a binary operator just as "*" and "+" are in arithmetic, we have to provide mechanisms for disambiguation. In this particular case I used parentheses as in mathematical formulae to define the correct "associativity".4) Your particular focus on using the language for prediction requires it to support more complex averments. The language needs to evolve gradually keeping in mind various types of demands made on it. We should be able to represent facts and statements from various books and articles. As a starter, consider one definition of connection between two

planets: A planet X is connected with planet Y when i) X is in the sign or star or sub of Yii) X is conjoined with or aspected by YConsider what it takes to represent this formally in the language you have in mind. As you can see there is a reference to a previously defined (in this language) term "aspected by". The structure of the language needs to accommodate these possibilities.You have begun well. With support from our esteemed members, it can even become a reality.Regards,Rangarajan , AH Udupa wrote:> Dear Members> I have a proposal.> The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company

produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.> In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.> Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.> Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc> For example all houses can be denoted as

1H, 2H------12H > All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L> All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C> All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc> Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg> Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu> Ke--Ketu> And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......> Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.> This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.> Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing

Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.> Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.> > Wth regards,> Udupa> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

I am thankful to all the members for the overwhelming supporting response to my proposal

 

The first task is to create notations for all entities. In this connection though it is definitely good to use grapical symbols as members have suggested it is hard to use it in email. That is the reason I did not suggest use of graphical symbols as used in Ephimeries.

The other task is to create notations for actions. In this, effective use of all mathematical operators could be made to describe conjuction, aspect etc. I am only doing a loud thinking now. This requires lot of structuring of the thoughts.

Possibly we can take some examples given in the book for different analysis to identify the various operations required.

Mr. Punnet has given following entities for which notations have to be given:'

 

Planet Notations

Rasi Notations

House Notations

Planet in Rasi

Planet in Nakshatra

Planet in Sub

Planet in Sub Sub

Planet X aspecting Planet Y

Planet X aspected by Planet Y

 

Planet X aspecting Cusp A

Planet X aspected by Cusp A

X is aspecting Y with aspect Z (CONJ, OPP, TRINE etc.)

X is aspecting Y with hindu aspect Z (4 & 8th of Mars etc.)

Planet in House

Malefic

Benefic

 

In the above list there is mix of some basic entities and some derived ones; ie a planet may be a posited planet, rashi lord, sub lord, aspecting planet, aspected planet, etc. There are lot more actions. There are significations.There are signification levels. There are significators. There are statements. There are conclusions. There are verdicts or results. All these have to be presented unambiguously. That is the major aim of this language creation..I request the members to just list the actions required as it comes to their mind, like Mr. puneet has done.

Later we can try to segragate various inputs and make structured sets.

As regards the name of the language, any name is ok. The reason I used the word Prediction Description is that Astrology has fairly standard ways to present a chart and other data. Hence I felt that APDL may be more appropriate.

Again thanks for the encouragement. It is going to be task to create a language which will be acceptable to all and useful for the pupose it is created for and finally used for the puspose it is created for..

Let us take it further.

Regards,

Udupa

AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

 

 

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Udupa,

I guess we must keep this as simple and as easily practicable as possible...

Let us go step by step...else nobody will follow ALL the "notations" so involved in formulating...

With regards,

L.Y.Rao.AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members,

I am thankful to all the members for the overwhelming supporting response to my proposal

 

The first task is to create notations for all entities. In this connection though it is definitely good to use grapical symbols as members have suggested it is hard to use it in email. That is the reason I did not suggest use of graphical symbols as used in Ephimeries.

The other task is to create notations for actions. In this, effective use of all mathematical operators could be made to describe conjuction, aspect etc. I am only doing a loud thinking now. This requires lot of structuring of the thoughts.

Possibly we can take some examples given in the book for different analysis to identify the various operations required.

Mr. Punnet has given following entities for which notations have to be given:'

 

Planet Notations

Rasi Notations

House Notations

Planet in Rasi

Planet in Nakshatra

Planet in Sub

Planet in Sub Sub

Planet X aspecting Planet Y

Planet X aspected by Planet Y

 

Planet X aspecting Cusp A

Planet X aspected by Cusp A

X is aspecting Y with aspect Z (CONJ, OPP, TRINE etc.)

X is aspecting Y with hindu aspect Z (4 & 8th of Mars etc.)

Planet in House

Malefic

Benefic

 

In the above list there is mix of some basic entities and some derived ones; ie a planet may be a posited planet, rashi lord, sub lord, aspecting planet, aspected planet, etc. There are lot more actions. There are significations.There are signification levels. There are significators. There are statements. There are conclusions. There are verdicts or results. All these have to be presented unambiguously. That is the major aim of this language creation..I request the members to just list the actions required as it comes to their mind, like Mr. puneet has done.

Later we can try to segragate various inputs and make structured sets.

As regards the name of the language, any name is ok. The reason I used the word Prediction Description is that Astrology has fairly standard ways to present a chart and other data. Hence I felt that APDL may be more appropriate.

Again thanks for the encouragement. It is going to be task to create a language which will be acceptable to all and useful for the pupose it is created for and finally used for the puspose it is created for..

Let us take it further.

Regards,

Udupa

AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Yogesh Rao,

Yes I agree. We must keep it simple and unamguious.

Regards,

UdupaYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Udupa,

I guess we must keep this as simple and as easily practicable as possible...

Let us go step by step...else nobody will follow ALL the "notations" so involved in formulating...

With regards,

L.Y.Rao.AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members,

I am thankful to all the members for the overwhelming supporting response to my proposal

 

The first task is to create notations for all entities. In this connection though it is definitely good to use grapical symbols as members have suggested it is hard to use it in email. That is the reason I did not suggest use of graphical symbols as used in Ephimeries.

The other task is to create notations for actions. In this, effective use of all mathematical operators could be made to describe conjuction, aspect etc. I am only doing a loud thinking now. This requires lot of structuring of the thoughts.

Possibly we can take some examples given in the book for different analysis to identify the various operations required.

Mr. Punnet has given following entities for which notations have to be given:'

 

Planet Notations

Rasi Notations

House Notations

Planet in Rasi

Planet in Nakshatra

Planet in Sub

Planet in Sub Sub

Planet X aspecting Planet Y

Planet X aspected by Planet Y

 

Planet X aspecting Cusp A

Planet X aspected by Cusp A

X is aspecting Y with aspect Z (CONJ, OPP, TRINE etc.)

X is aspecting Y with hindu aspect Z (4 & 8th of Mars etc.)

Planet in House

Malefic

Benefic

 

In the above list there is mix of some basic entities and some derived ones; ie a planet may be a posited planet, rashi lord, sub lord, aspecting planet, aspected planet, etc. There are lot more actions. There are significations.There are signification levels. There are significators. There are statements. There are conclusions. There are verdicts or results. All these have to be presented unambiguously. That is the major aim of this language creation..I request the members to just list the actions required as it comes to their mind, like Mr. puneet has done.

Later we can try to segragate various inputs and make structured sets.

As regards the name of the language, any name is ok. The reason I used the word Prediction Description is that Astrology has fairly standard ways to present a chart and other data. Hence I felt that APDL may be more appropriate.

Again thanks for the encouragement. It is going to be task to create a language which will be acceptable to all and useful for the pupose it is created for and finally used for the puspose it is created for..

Let us take it further.

Regards,

Udupa

AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote:

 

Dear Members

I have a proposal.

The Field of Astrology is described and referred to by many an astrologer- quite emotively -as a Science. But if we discpassionately think it is not a Sceince but dfinitely a Technology. We only have rules for working, but no reason for most of the rules. It is like in a TV manufacturing company produces thousnads of TVs a month, knowing what exactly will result in a working TV, but not knowing why it is so.

In astrology we have so many rules and we need some clear lanuage to describe a particular prediction. This is because when people have to give a long hand description either they get bored and more often they describe in a very unsystematic way and even their language may not be quite understandable. On the part of the reader who goes thro this analysis, he will lose threads in a long winding analysis and needs to spend a great deal of time to go thro the analysis.

Fortunately, in KP the rules are well formulated in general though grey areas do exist.

Hence it may be possible to develop a language to describe astrlogical analysis. If have such a language let us call it APDL, it can have immunity to bad english, poor expressions, inaccuracies etc

For example all houses can be denoted as 1H, 2H------12H

All house lords can be denoted as 1L, 2L------12L

All house cusps can be denoted as 1C,2C-------12C

All cusp lords can be denoted as 1CL, 2CL, ---12CL etc

Smilarly we can have a standard two-letter notation for all planets eg

Rv---Ravi, Ch--Chandra, Ku--Kuja, Bu-- Budha, Gr---Guru, Sk-- Shukra, Sn--Shani, Rh--Rahu

Ke--Ketu

And further we may denote, for example Sk pi 2H in NL Gr in SL Bu...... to mean Shukra is posited in 2nd house in Nakshtra Lord Guru, In Sublord Budha......

Similarly, all situations like entities, aspects, connections, results, conclusions etc must be suitably represented.

This effort will will go a long way in improving the acuracy of description of analysis considerably, and also respectability for the Field of Astrology to a much greater extent than it is today.

Hence, I request all the members to give this proposal of developing Astological Prediction Description Language (APDL) a serious consideration and give me your inputs.

Subsequently, a software can be developed to represent it in proper English or any other language so that a common man can understand.

 

Wth regards,

Udupa

 

 

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