Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dear Mr Raichur and other friends, When we examine a horoscope for the first time, we make a general assessment 'thumb-rule'' to determine the parameters of performance. we check the Lagna,its lord,Sun ,moon etc. A man being an imperfect creature, does generally well in some areas of life better than others.In some aspects it may be a flop show. Just as we detemine the Lagna Strength, I feel we should treat 11th house i.e.Labha sthana exclusively.Put simply labha is results divided by efforts,our attempt being to score well above 1. In our KP methodology, for each bhava thro the concept of significators, we identify planets in one of the four levels i.e. planets in star of occupants,occupants, planets in star of cuspal lords, and cuspal lords.Aspects,conjunctions ommitted for simpliciity.Each of these planets connected to 11 bhava, also may represent other bhavas. The effectivity of each planet vis a vis a bhava depending upon its sublord,reducing the significations to some extent. Taking the case of only 11 th bhava,the no of planets may get reduced. Since each of these planets represent other houses, inturn ,the labhas also limited to few houses( areas of life) To sum it up,for each horoscope, I feel we can 'predetermine' areas of strengths, whether education, or marriage, business, profession, litigation etc.Thus energies of the individuals whose horoscope is under scrutiny can be channelised, thro this specific exercise.We normally examine other houses along with 11th house.My suggestion,detrmine other houses thro 11th bhava. My question,is this concept feasible in practice. Comments are invited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Sri rsatish 1942, I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of working out the significators. It is as follows " A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS THE STRONGEST) . B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSES D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT EDITIONS) IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR LORDS OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS THIS REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE RESULTS. GOOD LUCK kpk3010 , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > Dear Mr Raichur and other friends, > > When we examine a horoscope for the first time, we make a general > assessment 'thumb-rule'' to determine the parameters of performance. > we check the Lagna,its lord,Sun ,moon etc. > > A man being an imperfect creature, does generally well in some > areas of life better than others.In some aspects it may be a flop > show. > > Just as we detemine the Lagna Strength, I feel we should treat 11th > house i.e.Labha sthana exclusively.Put simply labha is results > divided by efforts,our attempt being to score well above 1. > > In our KP methodology, for each bhava thro the concept of > significators, we identify planets in one of the four levels i.e. > planets in star of occupants,occupants, planets in star of cuspal > lords, and cuspal lords.Aspects,conjunctions ommitted for > simpliciity.Each of these planets connected to 11 bhava, also may > represent other bhavas. > The effectivity of each planet vis a vis a bhava depending upon its > sublord,reducing the significations to some extent. > > Taking the case of only 11 th bhava,the no of planets may get > reduced. > Since each of these planets represent other houses, inturn ,the > labhas also limited to few houses( areas of life) > > To sum it up,for each horoscope, I feel we can 'predetermine' > areas of strengths, whether education, or marriage, business, > profession, litigation etc.Thus energies of the individuals whose > horoscope is under scrutiny can be channelised, thro this specific > exercise.We normally examine other houses along with 11th house.My > suggestion,detrmine other houses thro 11th bhava. > > My question,is this concept feasible in practice. > > Comments are invited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, Thank you for your clarification. I hope you find the time to participate more actively in this forum. What is interesting is that point (E) in your list suggests including the planets that are conjoined with or aspect the " concerned houses " . I have not seen this point discussed anywhere else. By the way, on page 117 of the same book, the order of judging the significators is listed in another example. This is the " standard " list that does not include the extension case mentioned on P 109. Which one is correct? When I read these two cases I felt that the latter is discussed by Guruji himself whereas the former (on page 109) is by someone else. The clue appears on page 111, 3rd para from top: " As advised by Prof.Krishnamurti... " . I do not believe Guruji would have addressed himself this way. What is your recommendation? Regards, Rangarajan , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > Dear Sri rsatish 1942, > I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of working out > the significators. It is as follows " > > A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS THE > STRONGEST) . > B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE > C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE > BHAVA OR HOUSES > D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA > E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE > SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. > > IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ > AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT EDITIONS) > > IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR LORDS > OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. > > YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA > i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS THIS > REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS > LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. > > OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD > WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF SEVERAL > THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS > FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS > SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT > HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT > I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME > TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY > ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE RESULTS. > GOOD LUCK > kpk3010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Dear Sri Rangarajan, From what I heard personally from our GREAT GURUJI several decades ago, the one that is given at page 109 is the correct one and also used in a similar manner by Guruji himself and others who contributed articles for his magazene ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHSTA which GURUJI was publilshing when he was alive. You can yourself see this phenominen in the materials I have supplied to you (Perhaps you understand what I mean here). Under what circumstances the other methods mentioned by you these are changed and by whom, I do not know nor would I like to comment since nowadays KP is being understood TOPSY TURVEY and this is evident from the postings not only in this Group but also in the KP Research study group. I can only pray TO MY RESPECTED AND BELOVED GURUJI himself to enter into the mind of someone he feels worthy and again guide us all correctly in understanding HIS IMMORTAL KP SYSTEM. GOOD LUCK kpk3010 , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, > Thank you for your clarification. I hope you find the time to > participate more actively in this forum. > > What is interesting is that point (E) in your list suggests including > the planets that are conjoined with or aspect the " concerned houses " . > I have not seen this point discussed anywhere else. > > By the way, on page 117 of the same book, the order of judging the > significators is listed in another example. This is the " standard " > list that does not include the extension case mentioned on P 109. > Which one is correct? > > When I read these two cases I felt that the latter is discussed by > Guruji himself whereas the former (on page 109) is by someone else. > The clue appears on page 111, 3rd para from top: " As advised by > Prof.Krishnamurti... " . I do not believe Guruji would have addressed > himself this way. > > What is your recommendation? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > > Dear Sri rsatish 1942, > > I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of working out > > the significators. It is as follows " > > > > A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS THE > > STRONGEST) . > > B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE > > C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE > > BHAVA OR HOUSES > > D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA > > E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE > > SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. > > > > IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ > > AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT EDITIONS) > > > > IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR LORDS > > OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. > > > > YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA > > i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS THIS > > REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS > > LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. > > > > OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD > > WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF SEVERAL > > THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS > > FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS > > SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT > > HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT > > I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME > > TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY > > ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE RESULTS. > > GOOD LUCK > > kpk3010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, Thank you for your clarification. I will check once again. Regards, Rangarajan , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > Dear Sri Rangarajan, > From what I heard personally from our GREAT GURUJI several decades > ago, the one that is given at page 109 is the correct one and also > used in a similar manner by Guruji himself and others who contributed > articles for his magazene ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHSTA which GURUJI was > publilshing when he was alive. You can yourself see this phenominen in > the materials I have supplied to you (Perhaps you understand what I > mean here). Under what circumstances the other methods mentioned by > you these are changed and by whom, I do not know nor would I like to > comment since nowadays KP is being understood TOPSY TURVEY and this is > evident from the postings not only in this Group but also in the KP > Research study group. I can only pray TO MY RESPECTED AND BELOVED > GURUJI himself to enter into the mind of someone he feels worthy and > again guide us all correctly in understanding HIS IMMORTAL KP SYSTEM. > GOOD LUCK > kpk3010 > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, > > Thank you for your clarification. I hope you find the time to > > participate more actively in this forum. > > > > What is interesting is that point (E) in your list suggests including > > the planets that are conjoined with or aspect the " concerned houses " . > > I have not seen this point discussed anywhere else. > > > > By the way, on page 117 of the same book, the order of judging the > > significators is listed in another example. This is the " standard " > > list that does not include the extension case mentioned on P 109. > > Which one is correct? > > > > When I read these two cases I felt that the latter is discussed by > > Guruji himself whereas the former (on page 109) is by someone else. > > The clue appears on page 111, 3rd para from top: " As advised by > > Prof.Krishnamurti... " . I do not believe Guruji would have addressed > > himself this way. > > > > What is your recommendation? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > > > Dear Sri rsatish 1942, > > > I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of working out > > > the significators. It is as follows " > > > > > > A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS > THE > > > STRONGEST) . > > > B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE > > > C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE > > > BHAVA OR HOUSES > > > D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA > > > E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE > > > SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. > > > > > > IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ > > > AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT EDITIONS) > > > > > > IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR LORDS > > > OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. > > > > > > YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA > > > i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS THIS > > > REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS > > > LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. > > > > > > OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD > > > WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF SEVERAL > > > THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS > > > FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS > > > SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT > > > HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT > > > I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME > > > TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY > > > ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE > RESULTS. > > > GOOD LUCK > > > kpk3010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Mr Kuppu Ganapathi, I thank you for your kind clarifications.I meant precisely what you stated regarding Bhavas lords instead of Cuspal lords etc.My apologies for a differnt choice of words. My expression may be different, what I was meaning to say every person has areas of strength in his life activities,which can be identified.example for studies we take 4,9 and 11 houses their significators, having an interrelationship which is necessary for the activity ,in this case higher studies to fructify. The time meter being decided by the Prevailing Dasa, Bhukti,anthara ,sookshma which figure as significators of 4 and 9 and 11,as above. In this case we also state the 9th cusp sub lord should be significator of either4 or 9 or 11 bhava.The benifit is only accrued to the individual only when the 11 th bhava is connected thro its significators to 4th and 9th bhava significators. This 11 th bhava may not ,sometimes ,support either 4 or 9 ,inwhich success in higher studies is just not there. Similarly this 11 th house significationsmay/ may not support 2,5,11 or 2,7,11,or 2,6,10,11, requiremnts for different issues of life like child birth, marriage, promotion respy Since 11 th bhava significations is absolutely necessary,I suggested, can we go in the reverse direction, find out which significations of 11 th bhava is tied up with, is it, 2and5 or 2 and 7 ,or 2,6,10,or 4and9.The combinations where the links are estabilished success is assured, where it is not,- no success.This in turn will tell us which areas/activities in our life which we should focus on,and in which dasa /ad/bhu. I was not looking at this method as a short-cut,the exercise has to be gone thro'though differently.I stand corrected if my approach is technically wrong. Nevertheless I am grateful to you for your guidance. Regards, Satish , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > Dear Sri Rangarajan, > From what I heard personally from our GREAT GURUJI several decades > ago, the one that is given at page 109 is the correct one and also > used in a similar manner by Guruji himself and others who contributed > articles for his magazene ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHSTA which GURUJI was > publilshing when he was alive. You can yourself see this phenominen in > the materials I have supplied to you (Perhaps you understand what I > mean here). Under what circumstances the other methods mentioned by > you these are changed and by whom, I do not know nor would I like to > comment since nowadays KP is being understood TOPSY TURVEY and this is > evident from the postings not only in this Group but also in the KP > Research study group. I can only pray TO MY RESPECTED AND BELOVED > GURUJI himself to enter into the mind of someone he feels worthy and > again guide us all correctly in understanding HIS IMMORTAL KP SYSTEM. > GOOD LUCK > kpk3010 > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, > > Thank you for your clarification. I hope you find the time to > > participate more actively in this forum. > > > > What is interesting is that point (E) in your list suggests including > > the planets that are conjoined with or aspect the " concerned houses " . > > I have not seen this point discussed anywhere else. > > > > By the way, on page 117 of the same book, the order of judging the > > significators is listed in another example. This is the " standard " > > list that does not include the extension case mentioned on P 109. > > Which one is correct? > > > > When I read these two cases I felt that the latter is discussed by > > Guruji himself whereas the former (on page 109) is by someone else. > > The clue appears on page 111, 3rd para from top: " As advised by > > Prof.Krishnamurti... " . I do not believe Guruji would have addressed > > himself this way. > > > > What is your recommendation? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > > > Dear Sri rsatish 1942, > > > I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of working out > > > the significators. It is as follows " > > > > > > A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS > THE > > > STRONGEST) . > > > B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE > > > C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE > > > BHAVA OR HOUSES > > > D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA > > > E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE > > > SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. > > > > > > IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ > > > AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT EDITIONS) > > > > > > IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR LORDS > > > OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. > > > > > > YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA > > > i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS THIS > > > REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS > > > LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. > > > > > > OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD > > > WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF SEVERAL > > > THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS > > > FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS > > > SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT > > > HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT > > > I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME > > > TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY > > > ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE > RESULTS. > > > GOOD LUCK > > > kpk3010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Dear Sri Rangarajan, In continuation of my earlier message on the question of method of working out the significations, I am furnishing below verbatim what our GREAT GURUJI wrote about this in the March 1967 issue of ASGTROLOGY AND ATHRISHTA,p.p.31-32, while analyzing a chart for answering the question of HEALTH. I quote..... " HEALTH WILL BE AFFECTED IF THE PLANETS ARE CONNECTED WITH THE 6TH HOUSE (A) EITHER BY OCCUPYING THE CONSTELLATION OF THE OCCUPANT OF THE 6TH HOUSE OR (B) BY OCCUPYING THE 6TH HOUSE OR © BY BEING DEPOSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION OF LORD OF 6 OR (D) BY BEING THE LORD OF THE 6TH HOUSE OR (E) BY CONJOINING WITH OR ASPECTED BY ANY OF THE SIGNIFICATORS. IF RAHU OR KETHU WERE TO BE CONJOINED WITH THEM OR IF THEY OCCUPY EITHER OF THE SIGN OF THE SIGNIFICATORS, THE NODE WILL OFFER THE RESULT AS INDICATED BY THE SIGNIFICATOR. 8TH HOUSE THREATENS DANGER. 12TH HOUSE PORTENDS HOSPITALISATION " end quote. From the above you have also the answer for the definition for SIGNIFICATION AND CONNECTION which was discussed in this group sometime back and you were also asking me about it, I am furnishing the Chart details: D.O.B. 5-5-1920. T.O.B; 9 A.M. P.O.B: 12-58N AND 77-38E. Here you find the TOB given as 9 A.M. which I am sure our GREAT GURUJI would have checked with the help of RULING PLANETS and accepted it as correct, though this has not been mentioned in the article written by him. You can now work out the chart as per your latest SW and keep it by your side to find how our GREAT GURUJI went about anaysing this Chart. In the Chart published in the Journal he has given only the Lagna Cusp position as Gemini 6-01. Possibly he wanted his followers to work out the rest. I am giving below, verbatim, how our GREAT GURUJI analyzed this Chart regarding the matter of HEALTH. I Quote...... " Lagna is not afflicted by the occupation of any malefic, or by lords of 6 or 8 or 12. Moon is in the 6th house. Neither Rahu nor Kethu is in Moon's sign. Rohini, Hastham and Sravanam are ruled by Moon. No planet is in any of the three stars. Moon is a significator. It becomes worse by occupying the constellation of lord of 8. Mars is lord of 6. It owns Aries and Scorpio. Kethu occupies Aries. so take Kethu. Find out the planets in the constellation of Kethu. Venus and Mercury are in Kethu's star Aswini and Saturn is in Makam. hence the conjoined period of these planets will cause disease. Hindu astrologers have said that Sun conjoined with Venus in 5 or 7 or 9 will cause defect in the organ. In my research I have found that: (a) Sun conjunction Venus, in any manner connected with Saturn shows chronic ailment; (b) if Mars is connected it leads to operation; © if Jupiter is connected, one is to expect Cancer; (d) Sun, Venus Mars and Rahu or Kethu, Uterus removal; (e) Sun, Venus, Saturn, Moon and Mars, fibroid tumors and so on. Actually she was operated and Uterus was removed in July 1966 when she had been running Venus Dasa, Kethu Bukthi, Venus Anthar. Now the question is whether she can be normal in the future. Here, once more, the rule is repeated to clear the doubts. Planet A in its Dasa gives more predominantly the results indicated by the lord of the constellation B in which it is deposited. Planet 'C' in the constellation of the Planet 'A' offers the results signified by the house occupied by A and not the constellation, or lord of constellation, in which it is deposited. Hence Sun in Venus constellation will offer the results of the 11th house. During Sun Dasa 11th house matters will be enjoyed; 11th house contributes for cure and good health (if the Lagna is not a movable sign) as the Lagna is a common sign, 11th house is to give the cure. Now, one may ask, is not Kethu in 11 and in Venus constellation 'Yes'. But Kethu has to give the results of the houses 6 and 11. Therefore it brings out the symptoms, the disease flares up and finally it gives the cure. At the time, when she was discharged, she had been running Sukra Dasa, Kethu Bukthi, Sun Anthar. Six years of Sun Dasa contributes for health. Later when she enters, Moon Dasa, her health will be below normal and off and on she will be having the aid from medical attendants. (a) Majority of the planets are in 6 and 12 to Dasanatha, (b) Many are unfavorably posited to maintain good health. © It is the owner of the second house (12 to 3) aspected by the Badhakasthana adhipathi Jupiter 2 and ashtamasthana adhipathi constellation. (d) Venus and Kethu who caused operation are in 6 and 8 with Moon. So by observing Hygiene and following medical advice, she can manage to maintain good health. Anyhow, Moon Dasa, Venus Bukthi, and Kethu Anthar need proper medical aid. " unquote...... Now I am furnishing below a time tested method for finding out whether the chart belongs to a Male or Female. This is apart from the recent CKV Rule about which you have written to me. THIS HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM 'UTTAR KALAMRITA'. Convert the Ghatis and Vigatis that have elapsed since Sun Rise at the time of birth into Vighatis and then divide this Vighatis by 225. Divide the reminder into the following groups of Vighatis as may be found possible viz., 15, 30, 45, 60,....75 " Note:-1 = The recorded time in Ghatis and Vighatis that have elapsed since Sunrise at the time of birth is known as " ISHTAKALA " in Sanskrit terminology. Note:- 2 = Ghatika = Dand Vighatika = Pala The above mentioned 5 Groups represent in their order MALE, FEMALE, MALE, FEMALE and MALE respectively. In other wards the remainder should be divided in the following groups of Vighatis:- 5MALE FEMALE MALE FEMALE MALE 15 30 45 60 75 90 105 120 135 150 165 180 190 210 225 i.e., if the remainder is between 0-15 it is Male. between 16-30 Female and so on. For the sake of convenience I am giving below a Table for easy working. SEX IF THE REMAINDER IS MALE between 0 and 15 FEMALE 16 AND 30 MALE 31 AND 45 FEMALE 46 AND 60 MALE 61 AND 75 MALE 76 AND 90 FEMALE 91 AND 105 MALE 106 AND 120 FEMALE 121 AND 135 MALE 136 AND 165 FEMALE 166 AND 180 MALE 181 AND 195 FEMALE 196 AND 210 MALE 211 AND 225 Here you may raise a question regarding the categorization when the Vighatis is not exactly the multiples of 15. For example it may come at 15.6. Now this is between 15 and l6. How to categorize. Since the next categorization starts only from 16 this is to be taken as belonging to the earlier category and so on. I have given the above only for you to have this also as one of the methods to check the correctness of the given chart so far gender is concerned. But actually the correctness or otherwise of a given birth time can be checked only through the Ruling Planets about which I have already given a detailed procedure. From my view and from what I have learnt through my GREAT GURUJI, there is no second method other than RPs for this purpose. I am afraid I have loaded you with lot of materials. Please go through, digest and comment. GOOD LUCK kpk3010 , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, > Thank you for your clarification. I will check once again. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > > Dear Sri Rangarajan, > > From what I heard personally from our GREAT GURUJI several decades > > ago, the one that is given at page 109 is the correct one and also > > used in a similar manner by Guruji himself and others who contributed > > articles for his magazene ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHSTA which GURUJI was > > publilshing when he was alive. You can yourself see this phenominen in > > the materials I have supplied to you (Perhaps you understand what I > > mean here). Under what circumstances the other methods mentioned by > > you these are changed and by whom, I do not know nor would I like to > > comment since nowadays KP is being understood TOPSY TURVEY and this is > > evident from the postings not only in this Group but also in the KP > > Research study group. I can only pray TO MY RESPECTED AND BELOVED > > GURUJI himself to enter into the mind of someone he feels worthy and > > again guide us all correctly in understanding HIS IMMORTAL KP SYSTEM. > > GOOD LUCK > > kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi, > > > Thank you for your clarification. I hope you find the time to > > > participate more actively in this forum. > > > > > > What is interesting is that point (E) in your list suggests including > > > the planets that are conjoined with or aspect the " concerned houses " . > > > I have not seen this point discussed anywhere else. > > > > > > By the way, on page 117 of the same book, the order of judging the > > > significators is listed in another example. This is the " standard " > > > list that does not include the extension case mentioned on P 109. > > > Which one is correct? > > > > > > When I read these two cases I felt that the latter is discussed by > > > Guruji himself whereas the former (on page 109) is by someone else. > > > The clue appears on page 111, 3rd para from top: " As advised by > > > Prof.Krishnamurti... " . I do not believe Guruji would have addressed > > > himself this way. > > > > > > What is your recommendation? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri rsatish 1942, > > > > I am afraid you have wrongly understood the methdodolgy of > working out > > > > the significators. It is as follows " > > > > > > > > A - PLANETS IN THE STAR OF OCCUPANET OF A BHAVA OR HOUSE(THIS IS > > THE > > > > STRONGEST) . > > > > B - OCCUPANETS OF THE BHAVA OR HOUSE > > > > C - PLANETS POSITED IN THE CONSTELLATION RULED BY THE lORD OF THE > > > > BHAVA OR HOUSES > > > > D - PLANETS OWNING THE BHAVA > > > > E - PLANET OR PLANETS CONJOINED WITH OR ASPECTING THE ABOVE > > > > SIGNIFICAGTORS AND ALSO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION. > > > > > > > > IN THIS CONNECTION PLEASE SEE PAGE 109 OF K.P.READEER IV (MAY 1971/ > > > > AUGUST 1974 EDITION - THE PAGE NUMBER MAY VARY IN SUBSEQUENT > EDITIONS) > > > > > > > > IN THE ABOVE YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR CUSPAL STAR > LORDS > > > > OR CUSPAL LORDS UNLESS YOU MEAN THE ABOVE. > > > > > > > > YOU HAVDE A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE 11TH BHAVA REPRESENTS ONLY LABHA > > > > i.e., GAIN ONLY. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THE CASE OF MOVING SIGNS > THIS > > > > REPRESENTS THE BHADAGASTHAN i.e., DETERILMENTAL IN NATURE SO FAR AS > > > > LONGEVITY IS CONCERNED. > > > > > > > > OUR GREAT GURUJI HAS CREATED THIS SUB LORD THEORY AFTER MUCH HARD > > > > WORK, PENANCE,BLESSINGS OF HIS GURU, THOUROUGH EXAMINATION OF > SEVERAL > > > > THOUSANDS OF CHARTS ETC., AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO IGNORE HIS > > > > FUNDAMENTAL THEORY. THEREFORE THERE IS NO SHORT CUT METHOD AS > > > > SUGGESTED BY YOU. IF THAT IS SO OUR GREAT GURUJI WOULD HAVE DONE IT > > > > HIMSELF AND GUIDED US ON THOSE LINES. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND > WHAT > > > > I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT GO ASTRAY FROM THE ESTABLISHED AND TIME > > > > TESTED PRINCIPLES OF K.P.SYSTEM SO THAT YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND > ENERGY > > > > ARE NOT WASTED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY DO NOT YIELD ANY TANGIBLE > > RESULTS. > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > kpk3010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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