Ruling Planets

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Dear Shri. Raichur and Members,

I am trying to find out if there is common agreement amongst us

regarding what constitute Ruling Planets. I have read several versions

and therefore wonder which one is really recommended for use. Instead

of discussing the various versions, I am explaining one version here.

If you feel this requires changes, please give your suggestion. At the

end of this exercise it would be nice to have consensus on some

version that will work (not just for some, but for most if not all).

 

When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there is

real urge), the following five planets are noted down:

1) Asc star lord

2) Asc sublord

3) Moon star lord

4) Moon sub lord

5) Day lord

 

For deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That is,

if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be Wednesday,

not Thursday.

 

If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or in the

sign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding node as well.

 

Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such as

eliminating " tempting " signifciators, I think it is good to have less

than 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have seen

definitions that most often yield all 9 planets.

 

Please share your experience/expertise.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

1. Guruji KS Krishnamurti says on Research:

 

" … What we want is research for truth: Open mind to investigate …

Let them (students) also carry out further… It is for you … to

further study and make (KP) more useful, more simple … " (Extract

from Speech: Astrology & Athrishta, September 1967, p 7)

 

2. Your simulation clearly shows RPs, both real and simulated, are

changing because they are a function of time, space, astrologer,

strong urge, divine force, blessing etc. etc. as mentioned earlier.

 

3. It's the same in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP

& the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied

RPs for the same chart by the same Rule.

 

4. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31)

 

5. However, RPs completely corroborate for two times in the article

of rectification method approved by KSK in " RP & KP " , 1985, p 97.

 

6. That is why the real test for the RP Rule on 20 AA records will

be the " consistency " of the Rule in accepting or rejecting of

particular records in the forthcoming repeated test runs.

 

7. Since no Horary procedure for a question asking whether a

particular AA record is correct or not is not available, the example

No. 1 in pp 106-107 " PR & KP " and Green Card example in p

192 " Furhter Lights on Nakshatra Chintamani " may help to get an idea

by taking 11th Sbl's connection to 6 or 11 etc.

 

8. Then why not 100 Horary charts cannot be run if it is possible

for 4 charts after one takes one number as an advantage of Horary .

(KP Reader VI, 1978, p 18)

 

9. It will be in line with the devine force, if a program for RP

test similar to Kanak's or Baskaran's (Secret of RP & the Birth

Time, pp 64-65) or Kuppu Ganapathi's (KP Year Book 2005, p 23-28)

can be run for one by one AA record repeatedly as done by Narhari

Khake 4 charts within 1h13m.

 

10. Regarding which version of RPs, it's worthy to note Kupu

Ganapathi's view, " I have also not taken Asc. and Moon's Sub Lords

as RPs since our Guruji has not taken these for his examination of

charts or rectification of birth time and only later on some KP

followers have started using them, on which I have no comment " .

Both versions may be run to test which version is better fit .

 

11. Let us see how divine force will respond to your strong urge.

 

12. KSK, " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied.

Many modifications are to be included.--- Analytical study, correct

intuition and good judgment are needed -– " (KP Reader III) But

basically we need to learn rules.

 

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

> Dear Shri. Raichur and Members,

> I am trying to find out if there is common agreement amongst us

> regarding what constitute Ruling Planets. I have read several

versions

> and therefore wonder which one is really recommended for use.

Instead

> of discussing the various versions, I am explaining one version

here.

> If you feel this requires changes, please give your suggestion. At

the

> end of this exercise it would be nice to have consensus on some

> version that will work (not just for some, but for most if not

all).

>

> When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there is

> real urge), the following five planets are noted down:

> 1) Asc star lord

> 2) Asc sublord

> 3) Moon star lord

> 4) Moon sub lord

> 5) Day lord

>

> For deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That

is,

> if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be Wednesday,

> not Thursday.

>

> If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or in

the

> sign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding node

as well.

>

> Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such as

> eliminating " tempting " signifciators, I think it is good to have

less

> than 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have seen

> definitions that most often yield all 9 planets.

>

> Please share your experience/expertise.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

[Guest guest]

Dear Rangarajan,

>>When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there is>real urge), the following five planets are noted down:>1) Asc star lord>2) Asc sublord>3) Moon star lord>4) Moon sub lord>5) Day lord

 

You have miss sign lord( Asc. and Moon)>>For deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That is,>if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be Wednesday,>not Thursday.

 

Day lord count from sunrise to sun rise not 5:30AM

>>If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or in the>sign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding node as well.>>Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such as>eliminating "tempting" signifciators, I think it is good to have less>than 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have seen>definitions that most often yield all 9 planets.

 

I use RP without boundy. it is depend on what i want to do. if i want to findout borth time( cliant dont konw his/her time) i use Asc and Moon sign,star,sub and subsub.+daylord.( as per method given in K.Bhaskaran's book).so in my opinion you cant fix any thing for RP.

 

regards

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Dear TW,

Thanks once again for such a well-researched reply.

 

My list of RPs is strongly influenced by Kuppu Ganapathi's views (he

and I talk frequently over phone).

 

I will study Narahari's article in 1998 year book.

 

I have decided not to participate in computer-based studies

hereafter. Please see postings #5021 and #5023.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> Dear Rangarajan,

>

> 1. Guruji KS Krishnamurti says on Research:

>

> " … What we want is research for truth: Open mind to investigate …

> Let them (students) also carry out further… It is for you … to

> further study and make (KP) more useful, more simple … " (Extract

> from Speech: Astrology & Athrishta, September 1967, p 7)

>

> 2. Your simulation clearly shows RPs, both real and simulated,

are

> changing because they are a function of time, space, astrologer,

> strong urge, divine force, blessing etc. etc. as mentioned earlier.

>

> 3. It's the same in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of

RP

> & the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got

varied

> RPs for the same chart by the same Rule.

>

> 4. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the

same

> doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31)

>

> 5. However, RPs completely corroborate for two times in the

article

> of rectification method approved by KSK in " RP & KP " , 1985, p 97.

>

> 6. That is why the real test for the RP Rule on 20 AA records

will

> be the " consistency " of the Rule in accepting or rejecting of

> particular records in the forthcoming repeated test runs.

>

> 7. Since no Horary procedure for a question asking whether a

> particular AA record is correct or not is not available, the

example

> No. 1 in pp 106-107 " PR & KP " and Green Card example in p

> 192 " Furhter Lights on Nakshatra Chintamani " may help to get an

idea

> by taking 11th Sbl's connection to 6 or 11 etc.

>

> 8. Then why not 100 Horary charts cannot be run if it is possible

> for 4 charts after one takes one number as an advantage of

Horary .

> (KP Reader VI, 1978, p 18)

>

> 9. It will be in line with the devine force, if a program for RP

> test similar to Kanak's or Baskaran's (Secret of RP & the Birth

> Time, pp 64-65) or Kuppu Ganapathi's (KP Year Book 2005, p 23-28)

> can be run for one by one AA record repeatedly as done by Narhari

> Khake 4 charts within 1h13m.

>

> 10. Regarding which version of RPs, it's worthy to note Kupu

> Ganapathi's view, " I have also not taken Asc. and Moon's Sub Lords

> as RPs since our Guruji has not taken these for his examination of

> charts or rectification of birth time and only later on some KP

> followers have started using them, on which I have no comment " .

> Both versions may be run to test which version is better fit .

>

> 11. Let us see how divine force will respond to your strong urge.

>

> 12. KSK, " Many general rules which should not be strictly

applied.

> Many modifications are to be included.--- Analytical study,

correct

> intuition and good judgment are needed -– " (KP Reader III) But

> basically we need to learn rules.

>

>

> Thanks and best regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Shri. Raichur and Members,

> > I am trying to find out if there is common agreement amongst us

> > regarding what constitute Ruling Planets. I have read several

> versions

> > and therefore wonder which one is really recommended for use.

> Instead

> > of discussing the various versions, I am explaining one version

> here.

> > If you feel this requires changes, please give your suggestion.

At

> the

> > end of this exercise it would be nice to have consensus on some

> > version that will work (not just for some, but for most if not

> all).

> >

> > When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there

is

> > real urge), the following five planets are noted down:

> > 1) Asc star lord

> > 2) Asc sublord

> > 3) Moon star lord

> > 4) Moon sub lord

> > 5) Day lord

> >

> > For deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That

> is,

> > if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be

Wednesday,

> > not Thursday.

> >

> > If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or

in

> the

> > sign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding

node

> as well.

> >

> > Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such as

> > eliminating " tempting " signifciators, I think it is good to have

> less

> > than 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have

seen

> > definitions that most often yield all 9 planets.

> >

> > Please share your experience/expertise.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

[Guest guest]

Dear Kanak,

Thanks very much for pointing out a serious mistake in my posting. I

actually meant the following:

1) Asc sign lord

2) Asc star lord

3) Moon sign lord

4) Moon star lord

5) Day lord

 

My sincere apologies for the confusion.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kanak,

RPs can be used for a variety of objectives...including to verify the chart's correctness to whether the desire will be fulfilled...the Gulbarga method...and so on...

In my personal experience,Kanak I have found RPs extremely handy and useful,especially since Mr.Raichur's programme KPUTIL is available...one can compute the RPs instantaneosly for different times of the same day at the same place...!

With the very best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:

 

 

Dear Rangarajan,

>>When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there is>real urge), the following five planets are noted down:>1) Asc star lord>2) Asc sublord>3) Moon star lord>4) Moon sub lord>5) Day lord

 

You have miss sign lord( Asc. and Moon)>>For deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That is,>if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be Wednesday,>not Thursday.

 

Day lord count from sunrise to sun rise not 5:30AM

>>If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or in the>sign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding node as well.>>Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such as>eliminating "tempting" signifciators, I think it is good to have less>than 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have seen>definitions that most often yield all 9 planets.

 

I use RP without boundy. it is depend on what i want to do. if i want to findout borth time( cliant dont konw his/her time) i use Asc and Moon sign,star,sub and subsub.+daylord.( as per method given in K.Bhaskaran's book).so in my opinion you cant fix any thing for RP.

 

regards

kanak

 

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Dear Rangarajan

 

Your suggestion is welcome. The Day Lord will be based on the Indian Day, i.e. Day at

 

Sunrise. This is not difficult, since the astrologer has an Idea of the Time of Sunrise in his

 

place.

 

I suggest, we include, planets which are in close conjunction(3 deg or less) with the Main

 

R.P.s also as RPs to be considered. This may increase the RPS, but these addittional RPS

 

by close conjunction can be considered as hidden RPs, to be considered only if Main 5 rps

 

do not solve the problem.

 

good luck Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Shri. Raichur and Members,I am trying to find out if there is common agreement amongst usregarding what constitute Ruling Planets. I have read several versionsand therefore wonder which one is really recommended for use. Insteadof discussing the various versions, I am explaining one version here.If you feel this requires changes, please give your suggestion. At theend of this exercise it would be nice to have consensus on someversion that will work (not just for some, but for most if not all). When the astrologer takes up a chart for study (we assume there isreal urge), the following five planets are noted down:1) Asc star lord2) Asc sublord3) Moon star lord4) Moon sub lord5) Day lordFor deciding the Day lord, we use 5:30 am as the threshold. That is,if we check at 4 am on a Wednesday, the Day lord will be

Wednesday,not Thursday.If Rahu/Ketu is conjoined with, aspected by (Vedic aspects), or in thesign of any of the above five RPs, include the corresponding node as well.Since we use RPs very frequently for important tasks such aseliminating "tempting" signifciators, I think it is good to have lessthan 9 planets (ideally, three or four?) in the RP set. I have seendefinitions that most often yield all 9 planets. Please share your experience/expertise.Regards,Rangarajan