Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Dear Members, Here is a basic question on timing and transits: Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti - C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits. What should the actual date T satisfy? a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively) d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which? Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says " At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the same joint period ruler or rulers... " . Is this precise? I am confused about " or/and " and " generally " in this definition. Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct? I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same period rulers. I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the benefit of beginners like me. Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Dear Mr. Rangarajan, You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. Udupa Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here is a basic question on timing and transits:Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of anative, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.What should the actual date T satisfy?a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Db) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Dc) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star orsub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it musttransit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and DIn the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and jointrulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of thesame joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confusedabout "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transitin the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the sameperiod rulers.I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for thebenefit of beginners like me.Regards,Rangarajan Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 dear sir, In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is one of the methods.- Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered. let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive points of natal chart indicate the likly time of event. here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A is transiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transiting the position of B while B is transiting the position of A. Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in the chart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northand south pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities. Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9 planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitive points- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - or sun transit these points is a sensitive time - In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiter we consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also be considered. sambasiva rao Chittur Astrologer Teaching & Counselling in traditional and K.P systems. AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote: Dear Mr. Rangarajan, You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. Udupa Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here is a basic question on timing and transits:Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of anative, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.What should the actual date T satisfy?a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Db) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Dc) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star orsub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it musttransit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and DIn the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and jointrulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of thesame joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confusedabout "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transitin the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the sameperiod rulers.I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for thebenefit of beginners like me.Regards,Rangarajan Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Dear friends, In my opinion these are not basic doubts. These are complexities of forcasting the event in astrology. and it is most difficult to master this. Only practice and hardwork can take you closer to some degree of perfection. And aboveall, you require luck in your favour, so that your mind is properly comprehending the overall planetary situation, and you come out successful. Inder , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > Dear Mr. Rangarajan, > You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. > I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. > Udupa > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here is a basic question on timing and transits: > Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a > native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti - > C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits. > What should the actual date T satisfy? > a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > B, C, and D > b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > B, C, and D > c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or > sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively) > d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must > transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D > > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which? > > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says " At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint > rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the > same joint period ruler or rulers... " . Is this precise? I am confused > about " or/and " and " generally " in this definition. > > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct? > > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit > in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same > period rulers. > > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the > benefit of beginners like me. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Mr.Udupa, K.P., is fairly clear on this issue of timing of events... I would refer you to the Astrosecrets & K.P., part II,Pp 374 - 362. Three different methods of timing of events are given in fair detail... I am sure you will find it very beneficial to read the entire article carefully... Also read KSK's book on TRANSIT...for how arrive at the most appropriate "sensitive point" for timing by transit... Kindly read calmly and coolly...without undue haste please...'digest' the contents and you will I'm sure prepare yourself in every method for the successful and accurate timing of events ... ! With best wishes, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote: Dear Mr. Rangarajan, You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. Udupa Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here is a basic question on timing and transits:Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of anative, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.What should the actual date T satisfy?a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Db) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Dc) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star orsub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it musttransit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and DIn the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and jointrulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of thesame joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confusedabout "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transitin the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the sameperiod rulers.I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for thebenefit of beginners like me.Regards,Rangarajan Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Photos. http://in.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao, Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I hope you can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on the system. You have defined the terms " transit " and " cross transit " . Is cross transit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, can you give an example? Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to be fixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the significators of {2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when the marriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration? Thanks for your time. Regards, Rangarajan , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > dear sir, > In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is one of the methods.- > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered. > let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive points of natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A is transiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transiting the position of B while B is transiting the position of A. > Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in the chart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northand south pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities. > Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9 planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitive points- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - or sun transit these points is a sensitive time - > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiter we consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also be considered. > sambasiva rao Chittur > Astrologer > Teaching & Counselling in > traditional and K.P systems. > > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > Dear Mr. Rangarajan, > You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. > I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. > Udupa > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here is a basic question on timing and transits: > Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a > native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti - > C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits. > What should the actual date T satisfy? > a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > B, C, and D > b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > B, C, and D > c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or > sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively) > d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must > transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D > > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which? > > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says " At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint > rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the > same joint period ruler or rulers... " . Is this precise? I am confused > about " or/and " and " generally " in this definition. > > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct? > > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit > in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same > period rulers. > > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the > benefit of beginners like me. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > > > Discover > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Pl. refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part II,Pp 369-382, gives very clearly and in simple language 3 stepwise methods for timing of events... Different people use different terms for the same thing...unfortunately K.P., has not yet developed a regular standard vocabulary...hence some people say...that all three,dasa-bhulti and anthra lords transits must agree...others use terms like cross-transit and may be some more diff.versions are in vogue... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao,Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I hopeyou can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on thesystem.You have defined the terms "transit" and "cross transit". Is crosstransit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, canyou give an example?Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to befixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the significators of{2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when themarriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration?Thanks for your time.Regards,Rangarajan , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> dear sir,> In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is oneof the methods.- > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered.> let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive pointsof natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A istransiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transitingthe position of B while B is transiting the position of A.> Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in thechart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northandsouth pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities.> Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitivepoints- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - orsun transit these points is a sensitive time - > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiterwe consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also beconsidered.> sambasiva rao Chittur> Astrologer> Teaching & Counselling in> traditional and K.P systems.> > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:> Dear Mr. Rangarajan,> You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for along time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it isquite confusing.> I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give asclear an answer as possible.> Udupa> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Here is a basic question on timing and transits:> Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a> native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -> C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.> What should the actual date T satisfy?> a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> B, C, and D> b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> B, C, and D> c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or> sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)> d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must> transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D> > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?> > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint> rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the> same joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confused> about "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.> > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?> > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit> in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same> period rulers.> > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the> benefit of beginners like me.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > > Discover > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Checkit out! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Mr. Yogesh rao, Thank you for your input. I have still not been able to get the books. Yes.I also understand the need to read very calmly. Thanks again, Udupa Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Udupa, K.P., is fairly clear on this issue of timing of events... I would refer you to the Astrosecrets & K.P., part II,Pp 374 - 362. Three different methods of timing of events are given in fair detail... I am sure you will find it very beneficial to read the entire article carefully... Also read KSK's book on TRANSIT...for how arrive at the most appropriate "sensitive point" for timing by transit... Kindly read calmly and coolly...without undue haste please...'digest' the contents and you will I'm sure prepare yourself in every method for the successful and accurate timing of events ... ! With best wishes, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! AH Udupa <ahudupa wrote: Dear Mr. Rangarajan, You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is quite confusing. I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as clear an answer as possible. Udupa Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here is a basic question on timing and transits:Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of anative, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.What should the actual date T satisfy?a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Db) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,B, C, and Dc) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star orsub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it musttransit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and DIn the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and jointrulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of thesame joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confusedabout "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transitin the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the sameperiod rulers.I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for thebenefit of beginners like me.Regards,Rangarajan Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Photos. http://in.photos. Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 dear shri.rangarajan, transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime. The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among the significators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or their stars (for fast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow moving planets) The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is transiting the sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit. sambasiva raoYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, Pl. refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part II,Pp 369-382, gives very clearly and in simple language 3 stepwise methods for timing of events... Different people use different terms for the same thing...unfortunately K.P., has not yet developed a regular standard vocabulary...hence some people say...that all three,dasa-bhulti and anthra lords transits must agree...others use terms like cross-transit and may be some more diff.versions are in vogue... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao,Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I hopeyou can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on thesystem.You have defined the terms "transit" and "cross transit". Is crosstransit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, canyou give an example?Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to befixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the significators of{2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when themarriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration?Thanks for your time.Regards,Rangarajan , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> dear sir,> In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is oneof the methods.- > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered.> let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive pointsof natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A istransiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transitingthe position of B while B is transiting the position of A.> Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in thechart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northandsouth pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities.> Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitivepoints- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - orsun transit these points is a sensitive time - > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiterwe consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also beconsidered.> sambasiva rao Chittur> Astrologer> Teaching & Counselling in> traditional and K.P systems.> > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:> Dear Mr. Rangarajan,> You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for along time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it isquite confusing.> I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give asclear an answer as possible.> Udupa> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Here is a basic question on timing and transits:> Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a> native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -> C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.> What should the actual date T satisfy?> a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> B, C, and D> b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> B, C, and D> c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or> sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)> d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must> transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D> > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?> > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint> rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the> same joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confused> about "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.> > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?> > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit> in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same> period rulers.> > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the> benefit of beginners like me.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > > Discover > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Checkit out! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Dear Sri Sambasiva Rao garu, The philosophy of transits.cross-transits ,would be best understood by a working example from the numerous cases you would have tackled. Could you kindly oblige? Regards, Satish , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > dear shri.rangarajan, > transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime. > The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among the significators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or their stars (for fast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow moving planets) > The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is transiting the sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, > time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit. > sambasiva rao > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > Pl. refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part II,Pp 369-382, gives very clearly and in simple language 3 stepwise methods for timing of events... > Different people use different terms for the same thing...unfortunately K.P., has not yet developed a regular standard vocabulary...hence some people say...that all three,dasa- bhulti and anthra lords transits must agree...others use terms like cross-transit and may be some more diff.versions are in vogue... > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao, > Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I hope > you can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on the > system. > > You have defined the terms " transit " and " cross transit " . Is cross > transit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, can > you give an example? > > Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to be > fixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the significators of > {2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when the > marriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration? > > Thanks for your time. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > > dear sir, > > In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is one > of the methods.- > > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered. > > let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive points > of natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A is > transiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transiting > the position of B while B is transiting the position of A. > > Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in the > chart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northand > south pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities. > > Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9 > planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitive > points- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - or > sun transit these points is a sensitive time - > > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiter > we consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also be > considered. > > sambasiva rao Chittur > > Astrologer > > Teaching & Counselling in > > traditional and K.P systems. > > > > > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Rangarajan, > > You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a > long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is > quite confusing. > > I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as > clear an answer as possible. > > Udupa > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here is a basic question on timing and transits: > > Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a > > native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti - > > C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits. > > What should the actual date T satisfy? > > a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > > B, C, and D > > b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, > > B, C, and D > > c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or > > sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively) > > d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must > > transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D > > > > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which? > > > > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says " At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint > > rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the > > same joint period ruler or rulers... " . Is this precise? I am confused > > about " or/and " and " generally " in this definition. > > > > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct? > > > > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit > > in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same > > period rulers. > > > > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the > > benefit of beginners like me. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check > it out! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Dear Shri.Sambasiva Rao, I do not understand what you mean by " ... the sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions ... " . What does the natal configuration of DBA lords have to do with transit for event fructification? Pls explain. Regards, Rangarajan , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > dear shri.rangarajan, > transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime. > The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among the significators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or their stars (for fast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow moving planets) > The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is transiting the sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, > time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit. > sambasiva rao > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 dear Shri.Rangarajan, transit of a planet on its natal point is a sensitive time - it is more so when it happens to be a D/B/A lord. Nataal positions of all planets and 12 cusps are sensitive points. In fact all 360 degres - have north pole and south pole and also positive and negative magnetic power - out of that for a native from his natal chart 12 cuspal positions , 9 planetary positions and fortuna position (total 22 points) are sensitive. Whenever a D/B/A lords or luminaries - Sun and Moon- transit these points - you can expect a sensitive time. It tally with the western system of transit of planets with natal poisitions. D/B?A has no separate configuration - only their points in natal chart and their stars in the zodiac are sensitive areas. In short, the above 22 points in a natal chart is the sensitiv spots and transit of any planet in these areas is a sensitive time for the native - more so if they are the D/B/A lords. In this connection you may see the western aspects and transits. KP system is based on Hindu Traditional system but blended with western principles. Sambasiva rao Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Sambasiva Rao,I do not understand what you mean by " ... the sensitive points ofD/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions ...". What does the natalconfiguration of DBA lords have to do with transit for eventfructification? Pls explain.Regards,Rangarajan , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> dear shri.rangarajan,> transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime.> The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among thesignificators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the sensitivepoints of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or their stars (forfast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow moving planets)> The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is transitingthe sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, > time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit.> sambasiva rao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Mr.Satish checking transit and cross transit is not a big job. try practically - with few exercises you will find it easy, for the time of judgement also you need a full chart with sub lords of cusps and planets - it is not difficult with present computers. giving a working example from my side is time consuming and stii\ll may not clear your douts - practice yourself - i am not trying to avoid - but saving my time - and at the same time i wish to put you on this exercise. sambasiva rao. rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sri Sambasiva Rao garu,The philosophy of transits.cross-transits ,would be best understood by a working example from the numerous cases you would have tackled.Could you kindly oblige?Regards,Satish , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> dear shri.rangarajan,> transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime.> The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among the significators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or their stars (for fast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow moving planets)> The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is transiting the sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, > time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit.> sambasiva rao> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Rangarajan,> Pl. refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part II,Pp 369-382, gives very clearly and in simple language 3 stepwise methods for timing of events...> Different people use different terms for the same thing...unfortunately K.P., has not yet developed a regular standard vocabulary...hence some people say...that all three,dasa-bhulti and anthra lords transits must agree...others use terms like cross-transit and may be some more diff.versions are in vogue...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao,> Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I hope> you can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on the> system.> > You have defined the terms "transit" and "cross transit". Is cross> transit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, can> you give an example?> > Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to be> fixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the significators of> {2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when the> marriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration?> > Thanks for your time.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> > dear sir,> > In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is one> of the methods.- > > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered.> > let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive points> of natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A is> transiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transiting> the position of B while B is transiting the position of A.> > Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in the> chart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northand> south pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities.> > Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9> planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitive> points- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points -or> sun transit these points is a sensitive time - > > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and Jupiter> we consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also be> considered.> > sambasiva rao Chittur> > Astrologer> > Teaching & Counselling in> > traditional and K.P systems.> > > > > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:> > Dear Mr. Rangarajan,> > You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also for a> long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it is> quite confusing.> > I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as> clear an answer as possible.> > Udupa> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Members,> > Here is a basic question on timing and transits:> > Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a> > native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B bhukti -> > C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use transits.> > What should the actual date T satisfy?> > a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> > B, C, and D> > b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A,> > B, C, and D> > c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or star or> > sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively)> > d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must> > transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, and D> > > > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, which?> > > > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says "At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and joint> > rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub of the> > same joint period ruler or rulers...". Is this precise? I am confused> > about "or/and" and "generally" in this definition.> > > > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct?> > > > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will transit> > in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the same> > period rulers.> > > > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the> > benefit of beginners like me.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check> it out! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dear Sambasiva Rao garu, Thank you very much. Regards, Satish , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > Mr.Satish > checking transit and cross transit is not a big job. try practically - with few exercises you will find it easy, > for the time of judgement also you need a full chart with sub lords of cusps and planets - it is not difficult with present computers. > giving a working example from my side is time consuming and stii\ll may not clear your douts - practice yourself - i am not trying to avoid - but saving my time - and at the same time i wish to put you on this exercise. > sambasiva rao. > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > Dear Sri Sambasiva Rao garu, > > The philosophy of transits.cross-transits ,would be best understood > by a working example from the numerous cases you would have tackled. > > Could you kindly oblige? > > Regards, > > Satish > > , rao chitturu <csr162002> > wrote: > > dear shri.rangarajan, > > transit and cross transit is in fact confusing everytime. > > The word 'transit' - refers to the transit of d/B/A lords among > the significators of 2.7.11 ( in case of marriage) and / or the > sensitive points of D/B/A lords i.e., their natal positions, or > their stars (for fast moving planets) and their sub (in case of slow > moving planets) > > The word 'cross transit is used only when a D/B/A lord is > transiting the sensitive points indicated by the D/B/A lords, > > time of cross transit is more stronger than time of transit. > > sambasiva rao > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > Pl. refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part II,Pp > 369-382, gives very clearly and in simple language 3 stepwise > methods for timing of events... > > Different people use different terms for > the same thing...unfortunately K.P., has not yet developed a regular > standard vocabulary...hence some people say...that all three,dasa- > bhulti and anthra lords transits must agree...others use terms like > cross-transit and may be some more diff.versions are in vogue... > > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Sambasaiva Rao, > > Thank you for the clarification. Since you are a teacher of KP I > hope > > you can help those of us who are yet to get a clear grounding on > the > > system. > > > > You have defined the terms " transit " and " cross transit " . Is cross > > transit any more significant than mere transit in timing? If yes, > can > > you give an example? > > > > Let us consider a concrete case: Suppose a native's marriage is to > be > > fixed in the D-B-A of Ve-Ma-Ju. Also suppose that the > significators of > > {2, 7, 11} for this native are {Me, Sa, Ra, Ke}. On a date T when > the > > marriage will take place, what should be the transit configuration? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , rao chitturu <csr162002> > wrote: > > > dear sir, > > > In timing of events 0 use of Dasa/Bhukti/Antara lords transit is > one > > of the methods.- > > > Sookma is useful when sub-sub-lord is considered. > > > let us use the D/B/A lords- transit of these in the sensitive > points > > of natal chart indicate the likly time of event. > > > here transit and cross transit is to be cleared- transit is A is > > transiting the positions of B - Cross transit means A is transiting > > the position of B while B is transiting the position of A. > > > Sensitive points are highly important - All degrees (360) in the > > chart are sensitive in as much as every degree has both a northand > > south pole - positive and negative sides with magnetic qualities. > > > Comming to a natal chart - the 12 bhava cuspal poitions and 9 > > planets cuspal positions and fortuna point (total 22) are sensitive > > points- When a D/B/A lord(s) transit / cross transit these points - > or > > sun transit these points is a sensitive time - > > > In this for slow moving planets like Saturn , Rahu,Ketu and > Jupiter > > we consider the subs / sub-subs and for others the stars. > > > In addition to the above 22 points - the stars of D/B/A can also > be > > considered. > > > sambasiva rao Chittur > > > Astrologer > > > Teaching & Counselling in > > > traditional and K.P systems. > > > > > > > > > AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Rangarajan, > > > You have asked a question which was vexing my mind also > for a > > long time. The KP reader on Transit gives some explanation. But it > is > > quite confusing. > > > I also earnestly request experienced astologers to give as > > clear an answer as possible. > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here is a basic question on timing and transits: > > > Let us assume that for an event to materialize in the life of a > > > native, we have correctly identified the period as A dasa - B > bhukti - > > > C antara - D sookshma. To pinpoint the date we have to use > transits. > > > What should the actual date T satisfy? > > > a) Sun must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period > lords A, > > > B, C, and D > > > b) Moon must transit in the sign or star or sub of the period > lords A, > > > B, C, and D > > > c) The period lords A, B, C, and D must transit in the sign or > star or > > > sub of themselves (A, B, C, and D - not necessarily respectively) > > > d) If the Ascendent is used to fix the actual time on T, it must > > > transit in the sign or star or sub of the period lords A, B, C, > and D > > > > > > In the above (a) through (d) should ALL be satisfied? If not, > which? > > > > > > Bhatt (Vol-1, P37) says " At the time of event Sun, Moon or/and > joint > > > rulers are generally found to be transiting in the star or sub > of the > > > same joint period ruler or rulers... " . Is this precise? I am > confused > > > about " or/and " and " generally " in this definition. > > > > > > Also, he is not including transit in the sign. Is this correct? > > > > > > I have read elsewhere that on date T, the period rulers will > transit > > > in the stars of significators of the event, not necessarily the > same > > > period rulers. > > > > > > I request experienced members to give a clear explanation for the > > > benefit of beginners like me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover > > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. > Check > > it out! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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