Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Anant and Group, I, too, have reflected on this question over the years, and agree with you fully with respect to "Destiny" versus "Free Will". I can also respect the views of others and also agree that we could start many meta-physical disagreements with this one based on the belief system of others, (which I don't wish to initiate with this post either :-)) and it is probably a subject that many harbor very personal opinions about - which is what makes the world go round. :-) Having listened to the arguments of "free will versus destiny" over the years, the only credible solution that personally resonates within my soul is that we all have "free will" within the context and confines of our pre-determined "destiny" based on our past - or in other words each individual's chart is simply a reflection of his destiny based on his/her past karma. And within the context of our pre-determined "destiny" - the confines of which all our experience will arise - we also have "free will" operating as to whether we personally elect to make a right or a left turn at every one of those experiences and crossroads. We have a choice within the road map we are given as to how we elect to respond to any given situation or circumstance. For example - If it is my destiny to witness a person unknowingly drop a very large sum of money in front of me, I honestly believe I then have the "free will" to elect to run up to him and inform him of his loss, or I may elect to keep the money as my gain - which then - to me - constitutes the destiny and karma for my next life - based on my actions and choices in this life. Because we all interact together on this planet and the forces of karma are always at play, my reaction to this particular situation may also constitute ramifications (involving our connectivity) to effect that person's actions and affect his destiny and free will ( the one who stood to lose the money), and he may then choose to react to another situation with honesty and integrity (because of me returning the money to him) - OR - elect to choose his free will by simply ripping the next person off in some way or another - based on my response to his loss (if I chose to keep the money as my gain and his loss). Or he may not - based on his own evolutionary status. But what I am certain of is that we all have an affect on one another, and our experiences are based on what we live and know to be our reality, and our reactions to our reality. So just as I believe that astrology involves both an "art and a science" and not a separation of these two integrating factors, I believe that karma involves both "destiny and free will", and that our destiny is pre-determined but is also based on a reflection of our past actions, combined with our free will to elect to act in one way or another. We go forward, we stagnate, or we regress. In other words, we are all created equal but we are not all at the same stages of evolutionary evolvement. We either learn and grow and realize the ramifications of our connectivity with one another and its effects on others that we come in contact with, or we serve selfishly to satisfy our own needs of the moment without any concern for the effects this has on our personal karma. Whatever our choice, our next life is determined by our actions in this one and our state of evolution - and all controls in my opinion (free will) are not ever removed, as it simply makes no sense. Again - just my personal opinion and belief - and please feel free to respectfully disagree. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of anant raichurMonday, May 30, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Astrology and Faith in God Dear Parag It is true Prof KSK has at many places said "everything is pre-destined " I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard answer is "YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!!". This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. Sorry, if this hurts anyone. please excuse me, in advance parag_m_g <parag_m_g wrote: >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matchingThasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks.Parag. , vijay thirumalai wrote:> Dear Mr.Rangarajan,> > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate.> > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards> > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> Dear Members,> Here are a few observations by members in the past:> 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> time of studying the chart.> 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> client's chart.> > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> an atheist?"> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Friends, There is a very good debate on atheism ,astrologers and astrology.I would like to express some views and crave your indulgence. We have to first ask why does one go to an astrologer?.The primary reason is ,we expected 'something to happen' and despite the best attempts we failed.First time this happens, we accept this incidence,as a temporary situation and get on with our life. Troubles when they come, they come in clusters, never come singly. Suddenly you are pressured,consult people and no satisfying answers. Home department forces you to seek help outside and soon sure enough you land up at the door step of an astrologer or tantrik. Educated people are generally scared of being seen going to tantriks. First time you make enquiries , you want a good astrologer of repute, no big fees, gives good predictions, pariharas follow.Now you are set into the system.In an indian home if do not seen photos of various Gods/Goddesses in astrologer's home there is no business. Very soon you are not concerned about the belief system of the astrologer, you want good remedies.In indian society unless you are well versed in poojas,shlokas ets you cannot be a successful astrologer. Mind you the astrologer's belief system is not under " scutiny " . Having said this,the " theism " of the astrologer can be examined.The Vaksuddhi or vakyasuddhi is a term for describing the quality of astrologer.This usually comes thro Upasana or sadhana.involves mantra japas etc. In modern parlance we call it " meditation " . The desirable attempt being to have clarity of mind focussed thinking. We have got mixed up between Belief in God and spirituality.There are various methods currently available to enhance mind power,mantra japa is one, meditative practices are another. As my late father used to quote shakespeare, " There is Destiny that shapes our ends,rough hew them how we may " . A pessimist would say the same thing " There is Destiny that shapes our ends rough, hew them how we may " Life, dear friends ,is a matter of " Perception " , situation is the same our reactions to situation vary, " karma- oriented " responses. Best Regards, Satish -- In , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Tin Win > > This defination is acceptable only in the context under discussion. > > With this defination and context, one can say an atheist can also study and master > > the rules of astrology. > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear Shri Raichuer, > > In this particular issue of discussion, an atheist may be defined as > a person who does not pray to any God for help in doing prediction. > > Regards, > > tw > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > > Your definition > > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does > not > > > believe in God " . > > > > is not enough. It gives rise to the question " WHO is or What is > GOD in whom the > > > > Atheist has no belief ? " . > > > > If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes > that the person > > > > called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and one > has no beleif > > > > in his words or actions. " : > > > > Am I right so far ? > > > > There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic . > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who > does not > > > believe in God " . > > > > > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if > this > > > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who > is to > > > be defined as > > > > > > > > " an atheist " ? > > > > > > > > We have to start with that ! > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at > the > > > > time of studying the chart. > > > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a > client's > > > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study > the > > > > client's chart. > > > > > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a > Science. My > > > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be > practised by > > > > an atheist? " > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dera Balaji Some ideas are matters of Faith, and cannot be logically argued out. If one believes that EVERYTHING is PREDESTINED and ONE is only an instrument, with NO FREE WILL , then be it so for him. Another MAY beleve he has some dgree of FREE WIILL, and believes that knowing What is Indicated By astrology, he can to some extent, modify the effects. Purely as a personal Example, Knowing Astrologically, I was unfit for business (it would end in a loss), I chose not to get into business, even when I had the oppurtunity. Any way we leave this here, as this subject has been discussed by many, over a lot of time, and nothing conclusive is arrived at. "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Respected Raichurji Well,to your reply to Paragji I would like to reply to you as below with your kind permission. Karma is what we have added by actions of the previous births.It is classified in to four types as per veda and guruji. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction found by Sir Isaac Newton.Great Lord Krishna bagwan saying the same in bagwad gita...What u sow is what you reap. Siddantha of hinduism says the same. So,u are pre-destined towards certain path and the good and the bad up and down will be done by him.Just as an instrument in his hand we have to walk or move.Without ahankara(Ego) in mind. So,if action is going to happen,then how we will be idle..We are the instruments or role in the incidents. So,we move as per his rules towards our destiny in daily basis.Every birth has a reason and every season has a reason. Hope u got what i am explaining.You are an elderly experienced astrologer and my words might look like a joke or childish. Just to say from my heart,I add this to this forum.Who knows,it might benefit a soul miles away. With thanks and regards Balaji Gopalakrishnan anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Parag It is true Prof KSK has at many places said "everything is pre-destined " I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard answer is "YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!!". This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. Sorry, if this hurts anyone. please excuse me, in advance parag_m_g <parag_m_g wrote: >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matchingThasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks.Parag. , vijay thirumalai wrote:> Dear Mr.Rangarajan,> > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate.> > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards> > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> Dear Members,> Here are a few observations by members in the past:> 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> time of studying the chart.> 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> client's chart.> > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> an atheist?"> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dear Sandy I agree in toto. Our destiny determines the parametrs within which only we can exercise our limted freewill "Sandy Crowther <sandycrowther wrote: Dear Anant and Group, I, too, have reflected on this question over the years, and agree with you fully with respect to "Destiny" versus "Free Will". I can also respect the views of others and also agree that we could start many meta-physical disagreements with this one based on the belief system of others, (which I don't wish to initiate with this post either :-)) and it is probably a subject that many harbor very personal opinions about - which is what makes the world go round. :-) Having listened to the arguments of "free will versus destiny" over the years, the only credible solution that personally resonates within my soul is that we all have "free will" within the context and confines of our pre-determined "destiny" based on our past - or in other words each individual's chart is simply a reflection of his destiny based on his/her past karma. And within the context of our pre-determined "destiny" - the confines of which all our experience will arise - we also have "free will" operating as to whether we personally elect to make a right or a left turn at every one of those experiences and crossroads. We have a choice within the road map we are given as to how we elect to respond to any given situation or circumstance. For example - If it is my destiny to witness a person unknowingly drop a very large sum of money in front of me, I honestly believe I then have the "free will" to elect to run up to him and inform him of his loss, or I may elect to keep the money as my gain - which then - to me - constitutes the destiny and karma for my next life - based on my actions and choices in this life. Because we all interact together on this planet and the forces of karma are always at play, my reaction to this particular situation may also constitute ramifications (involving our connectivity) to effect that person's actions and affect his destiny and free will ( the one who stood to lose the money), and he may then choose to react to another situation with honesty and integrity (because of me returning the money to him) - OR - elect to choose his free will by simply ripping the next person off in some way or another - based on my response to his loss (if I chose to keep the money as my gain and his loss). Or he may not - based on his own evolutionary status. But what I am certain of is that we all have an affect on one another, and our experiences are based on what we live and know to be our reality, and our reactions to our reality. So just as I believe that astrology involves both an "art and a science" and not a separation of these two integrating factors, I believe that karma involves both "destiny and free will", and that our destiny is pre-determined but is also based on a reflection of our past actions, combined with our free will to elect to act in one way or another. We go forward, we stagnate, or we regress. In other words, we are all created equal but we are not all at the same stages of evolutionary evolvement. We either learn and grow and realize the ramifications of our connectivity with one another and its effects on others that we come in contact with, or we serve selfishly to satisfy our own needs of the moment without any concern for the effects this has on our personal karma. Whatever our choice, our next life is determined by our actions in this one and our state of evolution - and all controls in my opinion (free will) are not ever removed, as it simply makes no sense. Again - just my personal opinion and belief - and please feel free to respectfully disagree. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of anant raichurMonday, May 30, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Astrology and Faith in God Dear Parag It is true Prof KSK has at many places said "everything is pre-destined " I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard answer is "YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!!". This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. Sorry, if this hurts anyone. please excuse me, in advance parag_m_g <parag_m_g wrote: >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matchingThasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks.Parag. , vijay thirumalai wrote:> Dear Mr.Rangarajan,> > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate.> > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards> > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> Dear Members,> Here are a few observations by members in the past:> 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> time of studying the chart.> 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> client's chart.> > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> an atheist?"> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dear Shri Raichur and All, Since " Siddantha of hinduism " is qouted, the theory of Karma in Buddhism and some quotations in this regards are mentioned below. Regards, tw The theory of Karma is a fundamental doctrine in Buddhism. This belief was prevalent in India before the advent of the Buddha (Gautama Siddharta, 563 - 483 BC, Hindu Prince, founder of Buddhism). If the present life is totally conditioned or wholly controlled by our past actions, then certainly Karma is tantamount to fatalism or determinism or predestination. If this were true, free will would be an absurdity. Life would be purely mechanistic, not much different from a machine. Such a fatalistic doctrine is not the Buddhist law of Karma. Karma does not necessarily mean past actions. It embraces both past and present deeds. Hence in one sense, we are the result of what we were; we will be the result of what we are. In another sense, it should be added, we are not totally the result of what we were; we will not absolutely be the result of what we are. The inequality that exists among mankind is the result of our own past actions and our own present doings (esp viriya 'effort' and panna 'wisdom'). We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We are the architects of our own fate. Karma is also classified according to the time in which effects are worked out: `Immediately Effective (ditthadhammavedaniya) Karma' being the weakest, is that which is experienced in this present life. If it does not operate in this life, it is called `Defunct or Ineffective' Karma. The next weakest is `Subsequently Effective (uppapajjavedaniya) Karma' and Its effect one may reap in the subsequence birth. This, too, is called Defunct or Ineffective Karma if it does not operate in the second birth. The effect of the intermediate thought-moments may take place at any time until one attains Nibbana. This type of Karma is known as `Indefinitely Effective (aparapariyavedaniya) Karma'. Source: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm http://www.budsas.org:8081/ebud/ebdha101.htm http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha104.htm#ch9 Alan Leo: " The idea seems to be prevalent that astrology teaches fatalism. Those, however, who have studied the subject knows that it does not teach absolute fatalism. We are not utterly bound: neither, on the other hand, are we entirely free. We are limited and restrained by ignorance. All our misfortunes are the result of our imperfect knowledge. Had we even but a little more knowledge, there would be much less suffering. " " Man is a spirit or to speak more correctly a soul, with a body. His 'spirit' is free, immortal, undying and permanent, but his soul is imprisoned in the 'matter' or bodies, through which it manifests on the lower planes. Matter is ever changing, impermanent, limited and circumscribed, hence matter is fated while the spirit is free. " Swami Sri Yukteswar, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda: " A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and its probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom: these are few. " " The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate—the result of past good and evil—but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure. " " Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automaton, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets— which is to say, his past—by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever-free; it is deathless because birthless. It cannot be regimented by stars. " Paramahansa Yogananda: " Occasionally I told astrologers to select my worse periods, according to planetary indications, and I would still accomplish whatever task I would set for myself. It is true that my success at such times has been preceded by extraordinary difficulties. But my conviction has always been justified: faith in divine protection, and right use of man's God-given will, are forces more formidable than are influences flowing from the heavens. " Alan Leo: " The idea seems to be prevalent that astrology teaches fatalism. Those, however, who have studied the subject knows that it does not teach absolute fatalism. We are not utterly bound: neither, on the other hand, are we entirely free. We are limited and restrained by ignorance. All our misfortunes are the result of our imperfect knowledge. Had we even but a little more knowledge, there would be much less suffering. " ''Man is a spirit or to speak more correctly a soul, with a body. His 'spirit' is free, immortal, undying and permanent, but his soul is imprisoned in the 'matter' or bodies, through which it manifests on the lower planes. Matter is ever changing, impermanent, limited and circumscribed, hence matter is fated while the spirit is free. Alan Leo: " The idea seems to be prevalent that astrology teaches fatalism. Those, however, who have studied the subject knows that it does not teach absolute fatalism. We are not utterly bound: neither, on the other hand, are we entirely free. We are limited and restrained by ignorance. All our misfortunes are the result of our imperfect knowledge. Had we even but a little more knowledge, there would be much less suffering. " " Man is a spirit or to speak more correctly a soul, with a body. His 'spirit' is free, immortal, undying and permanent, but his soul is imprisoned in the 'matter' or bodies, through which it manifests on the lower planes. Matter is ever changing, impermanent, limited and circumscribed, hence matter is fated while the spirit is free. " B.V. Raman: " Karma operated through a series of births till moksha was attained. There were three categories of Karma- sanchita the accumulative, prarabdha the operative portion being our destiny in this life and agamithe prospective – and the horoscope indicated the prarabdha. Therefore the astrological predictions were tendencies on their way to fulfillment. " " In the ordinary man, free-will is not very strong. His actions in life will, therefore, correspond, to a very large extent, to the forecast given by his horoscope. But, in the case of persons of great spiritual development, there will be some variation, even though the general pattern will remain the same as indicated by the horoscope. In this world of relativity, neither fate nor free-will could be supreme. It is some sort of a conditional liberty which man enjoys. " , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dera Balaji > > Some ideas are matters of Faith, and cannot be logically argued out. If one believes that > > EVERYTHING is PREDESTINED and ONE is only an instrument, with NO FREE WILL , then be it so for him. Another MAY beleve he has some dgree of FREE WIILL, and believes that > knowing What is Indicated By astrology, he can to some extent, modify the effects. > > Purely as a personal Example, Knowing Astrologically, I was unfit for business (it would > > end in a loss), I chose not to get into business, even when I had the oppurtunity. > > Any way we leave this here, as this subject has been discussed by many, over a lot of > > time, and nothing conclusive is arrived at. > > > > " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Respected Raichurji > > Well,to your reply to Paragji I would like to reply to you as below with your kind permission. > > Karma is what we have added by actions of the previous births.It is classified in to four types as per veda and guruji. > > Every action has an equal and opposite reaction found by Sir Isaac Newton.Great Lord Krishna bagwan saying the same in bagwad gita...What u sow is what you reap. Siddantha of hinduism says the same. > > So,u are pre-destined towards certain path and the good and the bad up and down will be done by him.Just as an instrument in his hand we have to walk or move.Without ahankara(Ego) in mind. > > So,if action is going to happen,then how we will be idle..We are the instruments or role in the incidents. > > So,we move as per his rules towards our destiny in daily basis.Every birth has a reason and every season has a reason. > > Hope u got what i am explaining.You are an elderly experienced astrologer and my words might look like a joke or childish. > > Just to say from my heart,I add this to this forum.Who knows,it might benefit a soul miles away. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Parag > > It is true Prof KSK has at many places said " everything is pre- destined " > > I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts > > and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? > > One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want > > astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to > > happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? > > Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. > > When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard > > answer is " YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!! " . > > This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! > > let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. > > Sorry, if this hurts anyone. > > please excuse me, in advance > > parag_m_g <parag_m_g> wrote: > > >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for > >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been > >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with > >particular person, is possible toget correct matching > Thasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. > For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some > students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even > after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to > get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal > calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks. > Parag. > > > , vijay thirumalai > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Rangarajan, > > > > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our > sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said > what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by > eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about > astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem > could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get > married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. > Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored > and that is what Our Guruji did. > > > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable > to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We > are all his children and he will not discriminate. > > > > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes > no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes > the difference. > > > > Regards > > > > vijay > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > > time of studying the chart. > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > > client's chart. > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. > My > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > > an atheist? " > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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