Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Members, Here are a few observations by members in the past: 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the time of studying the chart. 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the client's chart. These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by an atheist? " Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Mr.Rangarajan, In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate. If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. Regards vijay Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Rangarajanji I might give some sentences in caps letter.Dont take it serious and it is to high light the points.Go ahead. I am happy that you are trying to find a good solution for the longtime issue of rectification of birth time. Jyotish means light of knowledge.A person practising astrology is deemed to be a god in the ancient days and it is thats why called divine science.Still scientists are arguing and some modern or ultra-modern people dont see it as scientific tool.IT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT DONE BY OUR GURUJI..GREAT GURUJI SRI K.S.KJI who made people to understand that it is science.Yes,thats why some universities have added K.P as a subject.MANY professionals are reading and using K.P as a wonderful tool. VIDYA BAKTHI..GURU BAKTHI ARE TWO EYES FOR ANY PROFESSION. I am not saying that athiest or crticiser cannot practise.He can practise and still be good among public but ultimately the karma works and whatever does he reaps in the future.I have seen many person who are not pious and having good habits are successful but ultimately god who watches us all afrom above will take his chance one day using various techniques he knows. Whats the use of being not an athiest and pious..He will attain good will of the society.I WILL CALL K.P IS ONLY SUBJECT WHICH STRESSES CLEARLY AND MAKES EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THE KARMA AND EFFECTS OF KARMA.MANY PRANAMS TO GURUJI. WHAT YOU SOW IS WHAT YOU REAP.FAITH IS 1000 TIMES POWERFUL THAN ANY MOUNTAINS.SRADHA BAKTHI SAMANVITAHA. MUSIC,ASTROLOGY,DANCE LIKE ALL DIVINE THINGS SHOULD BE BLESSED BY GOD.ALL ARE NOT AWARDED BY GOD LIKE WE DO IN THIS UNIVERSE.HE KNOWS HOW TO GRADE AND HOW TO DEGRADE. Everything happens in our life with the strong axis of mental equilibrium and karma through dasa and bukthi it guides or diverts our actions and see the end results.Thats why in jaimini system of astrology they call a planet having more longitude is called ATMAKARAKA.Driver of soul.King of all. Great Guruji K.S.K clearly tells on R.P that it is a divine thing which could help us and he even could not explain how it works..Thats why it is called divine science..But he takes the words of great Carl jung's words as everything happens in a time by the influence of the planets. Hope u got my words right.Athiest or preacher or pious or a ruffian anybody can do this as a profession but the output, result is as per the karmic effect and god has the key.It will help anybody in the longrun and good results ultimately if we stregnthen our mental equilibrium force.It gives mental peace and clarity of thought which are essential for a good astrologer.Thats why astrologers are respected and refererred by kings and great personalities in this earth. Thanks and regards Balaji G Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Rangarajan Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to be defined as "an atheist "? We have to start with that ! GOOD LUCKRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Shri.Raichur, I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not believe in God " . My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good. Regards, Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to be defined as > > " an atheist " ? > > We have to start with that ! > > GOOD LUCK > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Balaji, Thanks for your views. I won't take insult if portions of text are in upper case, don't worry. I certainly believe, like you, that being pious, showing repect to the Teacher, etc. are desirable traits in any human being, not just an astrologer. I am sure you have read in KSK Readers (and perhaps elsewhere) " Who can become an astrologer? " . For argument's sake suppose we take a person's horoscope and find that he is fit to be a good astrologer. But that person is an atheist. Are these two incompatible? I do not know if in real life you would see any astrologer who is not a believer in God. But the question is academic, so can be dismissed any time, if found frivolous. Regards, Rangarajan , " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Dear Rangarajanji > > I might give some sentences in caps letter.Dont take it serious and it is to high light the points.Go ahead. > > I am happy that you are trying to find a good solution for the longtime issue of rectification of birth time. > > Jyotish means light of knowledge.A person practising astrology is deemed to be a god in the ancient days and it is thats why called divine science.Still scientists are arguing and some modern or ultra-modern people dont see it as scientific tool.IT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT DONE BY OUR GURUJI..GREAT GURUJI SRI K.S.KJI who made people to understand that it is science.Yes,thats why some universities have added K.P as a subject.MANY professionals are reading and using K.P as a wonderful tool. > > VIDYA BAKTHI..GURU BAKTHI ARE TWO EYES FOR ANY PROFESSION. > > I am not saying that athiest or crticiser cannot practise.He can practise and still be good among public but ultimately the karma works and whatever does he reaps in the future.I have seen many person who are not pious and having good habits are successful but ultimately god who watches us all afrom above will take his chance one day using various techniques he knows. > > Whats the use of being not an athiest and pious..He will attain good will of the society.I WILL CALL K.P IS ONLY SUBJECT WHICH STRESSES CLEARLY AND MAKES EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THE KARMA AND EFFECTS OF KARMA.MANY PRANAMS TO GURUJI. > > WHAT YOU SOW IS WHAT YOU REAP.FAITH IS 1000 TIMES POWERFUL THAN ANY MOUNTAINS.SRADHA BAKTHI SAMANVITAHA. > > MUSIC,ASTROLOGY,DANCE LIKE ALL DIVINE THINGS SHOULD BE BLESSED BY GOD.ALL ARE NOT AWARDED BY GOD LIKE WE DO IN THIS UNIVERSE.HE KNOWS HOW TO GRADE AND HOW TO DEGRADE. > > Everything happens in our life with the strong axis of mental equilibrium and karma through dasa and bukthi it guides or diverts our actions and see the end results.Thats why in jaimini system of astrology they call a planet having more longitude is called ATMAKARAKA.Driver of soul.King of all. > > > Great Guruji K.S.K clearly tells on R.P that it is a divine thing which could help us and he even could not explain how it works..Thats why it is called divine science..But he takes the words of great Carl jung's words as everything happens in a time by the influence of the planets. > > Hope u got my words right.Athiest or preacher or pious or a ruffian anybody can do this as a profession but the output, result is as per the karmic effect and god has the key.It will help anybody in the longrun and good results ultimately if we stregnthen our mental equilibrium force.It gives mental peace and clarity of thought which are essential for a good astrologer.Thats why astrologers are respected and refererred by kings and great personalities in this earth. > > Thanks and regards > Balaji G > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Sri Rangarajan, Every science has an aspect of divinity in some form or another.Intuition is another form of divinity which is necessary for every astrologer. If we accept this premise, the astrology we are pursuing is not complete as a stand-alone.For anything to be classified as science, the test of repeatibilty, needs to be successfully met. Repeated exercises to determine some aspect of life on definitive basis, has been proven unsuccessful,whether it be 85% or 90%.It conveys very strong message a) every human being is custom built, the curve of his life his individualistic and not repetitive. b) every astrologer is a human being subject to the same whims and fancies as other humans. Taking both into consideration, repeatability is a dream to be endeavoured, like the Holy Grail. Given this reality,the craze for perfection,as descibed by Sri Raichur,is leading us nowhere. We need to rexamine, the flight path. My sincerest appreciation to you and others,for the endeavours. Regards, Satish -- In , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to be defined as > > " an atheist " ? > > We have to start with that ! > > GOOD LUCK > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Rangarajan Your definition I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > believe in God " . is not enough. It gives rise to the question " WHO is or What is GOD in whom the Atheist has no belief ? " . If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes that the person called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and one has no beleif in his words or actions. " : Am I right so far ? There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic . --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Shri.Raichur, > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > believe in God " . > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to > be defined as > > > > " an atheist " ? > > > > We have to start with that ! > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > > time of studying the chart. > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > > client's chart. > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > > an atheist? " > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Shri Raichuer, In this particular issue of discussion, an atheist may be defined as a person who does not pray to any God for help in doing prediction. Regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > Your definition > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > > believe in God " . > > is not enough. It gives rise to the question " WHO is or What is GOD in whom the > > Atheist has no belief ? " . > > If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes that the person > > called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and one has no beleif > > in his words or actions. " : > > Am I right so far ? > > There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic . > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > > believe in God " . > > > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this > > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to > > be defined as > > > > > > " an atheist " ? > > > > > > We have to start with that ! > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > > > time of studying the chart. > > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > > > client's chart. > > > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > > > an atheist? " > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Shri. Raichur, Intersesting point! However, unlike just a handful who know Rangarajan and the rest of the universe does not, in God's case, I suppose everyone understands the term " God " without necessarily identifying that entity. It is not about God A, God B, etc., that we are talking about, but just some God. So an atheist is one who believes in NO God. I guess there will be no confusion about that. Is this adequate? Regards, Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > Your definition > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > > believe in God " . > > is not enough. It gives rise to the question " WHO is or What is GOD in whom the > > Atheist has no belief ? " . > > If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes that the person > > called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and one has no beleif > > in his words or actions. " : > > Am I right so far ? > > There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic . > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > I have a simple definition to start with: " An atheist is who does not > > believe in God " . > > > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this > > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to > > be defined as > > > > > > " an atheist " ? > > > > > > We have to start with that ! > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > > > time of studying the chart. > > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > > > client's chart. > > > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > > > an atheist? " > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Rangarajan and Group, I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war isn't started... :-) First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so please feel free to respectfully disagree... My 2 cents... For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an art (or a better terminology would be to call it an "Artistic Science"), I believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may not be "necessary" but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally reached after many years of observations... All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Rangarajan KrishnamoorthySaturday, May 28, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Astrology and Faith in GodDear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Sandy, Thank you very much for your comments. You will always be respected in this group (there will be some people who have strong opinions on certain things and who might not cherish all postings, but that is OK for me). Hope you will share your thoughts and experiences regularly. Regards, Rangarajan , " Sandy Crowther " <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan and Group, > > I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply > because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list > members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new > list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will > speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war > isn't started... :-) > > First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the > work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, > and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling > together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent > conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly > faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. > > I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am > not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my > own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so > please feel free to respectfully disagree... > > My 2 cents... > > For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with > respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and > not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else > pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on > reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment > the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... > > For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an > art (or a better terminology would be to call it an " Artistic Science " ), I > believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort > of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also > believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with > respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a > higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide > you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can > involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due > to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may > not be " necessary " but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. > > For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is > happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is > relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings > due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's > best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may > be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may > (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. > > And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an > atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also > believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to > his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine > and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone > to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally > reached after many years of observations... > > > All the Best, > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy > Crowther > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Sandy, Allow me to add that Indian (Vedic)Astrology as such,is based entirely on the Theory of " Karma." In K.P.,there has been described a method for delving into the past birth(s),based on the Trigons... Do atheists object to, or,believe in the theory of Karma... I sincerely wonder... Do they contribute to the theory of Fate ? I fully agree with you,as I firmly believe that " the practice of (any) science is an art..." By the way,I again request you NOT to be over-sensitive about the past...and show yor greatness by rejoining the group,we all NEED your valuable insights in contemporary Astrology... I also wish to suggest that,in my humble opinion, a conflict is inevitable whenever one attaches one's ego to one's opinion... It is hoped that in ANY group,no matter which,all members keep this in their minds...conflicts will be avoided... With kind regards, Yours 'ly, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Sandy Crowther <sandycrowther wrote: Dear Rangarajan and Group, I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war isn't started... :-) First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so please feel free to respectfully disagree... My 2 cents... For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an art (or a better terminology would be to call it an "Artistic Science"), I believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may not be "necessary" but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally reached after many years of observations... All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Rangarajan KrishnamoorthySaturday, May 28, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Astrology and Faith in GodDear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Tin Win This defination is acceptable only in the context under discussion. With this defination and context, one can say an atheist can also study and master the rules of astrology. tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichuer,In this particular issue of discussion, an atheist may be defined as a person who does not pray to any God for help in doing prediction.Regards,tw , anant raichur wrote:> Dear Rangarajan> Your definition > I have a simple definition to start with: "An atheist is who does not> > believe in God". > > is not enough. It gives rise to the question "WHO is or What is GOD in whom the> > Atheist has no belief ?" .> > If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes that the person> > called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and one has no beleif > > in his words or actions. ": > > Am I right so far ?> > There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic .> > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > I have a simple definition to start with: "An atheist is who does not> > believe in God". > > > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this> > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to> > be defined as > > > > > > "an atheist "? > > > > > > We have to start with that !> > > > > > GOOD LUCK> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> > > Dear Members,> > > Here are a few observations by members in the past:> > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> > > time of studying the chart.> > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> > > client's chart.> > > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> > > question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> > > an atheist?"> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Rangarajan I do not wish to go further, and accept the defination proposed ny TW for the present discussion of studying Astrology. good luck Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri. Raichur,Intersesting point! However, unlike just a handful who know Rangarajanand the rest of the universe does not, in God's case, I supposeeveryone understands the term "God" without necessarily identifyingthat entity. It is not about God A, God B, etc., that we are talkingabout, but just some God. So an atheist is one who believes in NO God.I guess there will be no confusion about that. Is this adequate?Regards,Rangarajan , anant raichur wrote:> Dear Rangarajan> Your definition > I have a simple definition to start with: "An atheist is who does not> > believe in God". > > is not enough. It gives rise to the question "WHO is or What is GODin whom the> > Atheist has no belief ?" .> > If one says " I have no beleif in Rangarajan, then one presumes thatthe person> > called Rangarajan, exists: that one knows this Rangarajan: and onehas no beleif > > in his words or actions. ": > > Am I right so far ?> > There is no animosity in this discussion. Simple logic .> > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > I have a simple definition to start with: "An atheist is who does not> > believe in God". > > > > My idea is not to raise major controversies in this forum, so if this> > issue can be discussed without animosity, that is good.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your question will lead into philosophical discussions. Who is to> > be defined as > > > > > > "an atheist "? > > > > > > We have to start with that !> > > > > > GOOD LUCK> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> > > Dear Members,> > > Here are a few observations by members in the past:> > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> > > time of studying the chart.> > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> > > client's chart.> > > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than aScience. My> > > question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> > > an atheist?"> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Sandy It is good to hear from you, aftter a long time. I personally am in agreement with whatever you have said in the posting. Good Luck and Best wishesSandy Crowther <sandycrowther wrote: Dear Rangarajan and Group, I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war isn't started... :-) First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so please feel free to respectfully disagree... My 2 cents... For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an art (or a better terminology would be to call it an "Artistic Science"), I believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may not be "necessary" but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally reached after many years of observations... All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Rangarajan KrishnamoorthySaturday, May 28, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Astrology and Faith in GodDear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Sandy. nice to hear from you please continue. regards kanakanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Sandy It is good to hear from you, aftter a long time. I personally am in agreement with whatever you have said in the posting. Good Luck and Best wishesSandy Crowther <sandycrowther wrote: Dear Rangarajan and Group, I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war isn't started... :-) First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so please feel free to respectfully disagree... My 2 cents... For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an art (or a better terminology would be to call it an "Artistic Science"), I believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may not be "necessary" but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally reached after many years of observations... All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Rangarajan KrishnamoorthySaturday, May 28, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Astrology and Faith in GodDear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at thetime of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study theclient's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist?"Regards,Rangarajan --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Yes Why not? Especially KP Astrology is pure science based on the motions & movement of Planets & stars. One need not be believer in God. Even if he believes in principles of Astrology I think its sufficient. Parag. -- In , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matching Thasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks. Parag. , vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai> wrote: > Dear Mr.Rangarajan, > > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate. > > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards > > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Sandy, Very delighted to welcome you back and thanks for your valuable contribution for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK. Regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Sandy > > It is good to hear from you, aftter a long time. I personally am in agreement with whatever > > you have said in the posting. > > Good Luck and Best wishes > > Sandy Crowther <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan and Group, > > I said a few months back that I would never post on this list again simply because my posts tend to initiate unintended controversy among a few list members - however - (hence one of the reasons for recently opening the new list called the KPStellarResearch group above) but just this once I will speak up - I hope that's OK, that no offense is taken and that another war isn't started... :-) > > First Rangarajan, congratulations to you and TW on following up with the work that was questionably initiated through Kanak's astute observations, and that ultimately resulted in both you and TW cooperatively compiling together - a very valuable research - in order to reach an intelligent conclusion to a long-standing technique that I always suspected was highly faulty and totally unreliable. My thanks to all three of you. > > I hope my opinions (below) do not initiate conflicts with others, as I am not at all interested in conflicts - so what I am about to say is purely my own personal opinion and not in any way meant to initiate controversy, so please feel free to respectfully disagree... > > My 2 cents... > > For question #1: For better success at reaching a reliable answer with respect to RP's, I do think one should have an honest desire to know, and not just have a random passing thought simply because there is nothing else pressing to attend to at the time. In other words a focused concentration on reaching a correct conclusion should be foremost in one's mind at the moment the question is being addressed - which is also relative to question # 2.... > > For question #2: Because I believe that astrology is both a science and an art (or a better terminology would be to call it an " Artistic Science " ), I believe it is necessary to apply both a diligent study and a genuine effort of application to understand the science behind the system, and I also believe that the artistic side of application must involve an open mind with respect to being both receptive and intuitive enough to follow and trust a higher power to direct you to what application/technique would best guide you to reach an appropriate conclusion. Trusting solely in oneself can involve the ego - which often times can lead to a very wrong assumption due to ego attachments. So faith in a power greater than oneself - to me - may not be " necessary " but is highly valuable and should not be underestimated. > > For question #3: I absolutely agree...One should first look at what is happening in one's own chart prior to offering an opinion to a client who is relying on you for valuable guidance. I personally have turned down readings due to bad transits as I don't believe my advice would be in the client's best interest when my own chart reflects disturbances that may suggest I may be tampering with a clients trust in me and/or a possibility that I may (unintentionally) be offering something other than credible guidance. > > And lastly - I believe than astrology can certainly be practiced by an atheist - and often times he/she will make very correct hits - BUT - I also believe that the advice given will often times be strongly attached to his/her own ego rather than from a source of pure intent to offer genuine and valuable guidance to those seeking his/her advice. I do not want anyone to take this personally - it is just a conclusion that I have personally reached after many years of observations... > > > All the Best, > Sandy Crowther > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > On Behalf Of Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy > Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:01 PM > > Astrology and Faith in God > > > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear Parag It is true Prof KSK has at many places said "everything is pre-destined " I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard answer is "YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!!". This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. Sorry, if this hurts anyone. please excuse me, in advance parag_m_g <parag_m_g wrote: >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matchingThasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks.Parag. , vijay thirumalai wrote:> Dear Mr.Rangarajan,> > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate.> > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards> > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> Dear Members,> Here are a few observations by members in the past:> 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> time of studying the chart.> 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> client's chart.> > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> an atheist?"> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Respected Raichurji Well,to your reply to Paragji I would like to reply to you as below with your kind permission. Karma is what we have added by actions of the previous births.It is classified in to four types as per veda and guruji. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction found by Sir Isaac Newton.Great Lord Krishna bagwan saying the same in bagwad gita...What u sow is what you reap. Siddantha of hinduism says the same. So,u are pre-destined towards certain path and the good and the bad up and down will be done by him.Just as an instrument in his hand we have to walk or move.Without ahankara(Ego) in mind. So,if action is going to happen,then how we will be idle..We are the instruments or role in the incidents. So,we move as per his rules towards our destiny in daily basis.Every birth has a reason and every season has a reason. Hope u got what i am explaining.You are an elderly experienced astrologer and my words might look like a joke or childish. Just to say from my heart,I add this to this forum.Who knows,it might benefit a soul miles away. With thanks and regards Balaji Gopalakrishnan anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Parag It is true Prof KSK has at many places said "everything is pre-destined " I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard answer is "YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!!". This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. Sorry, if this hurts anyone. please excuse me, in advance parag_m_g <parag_m_g wrote: >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with >particular person, is possible toget correct matchingThasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks.Parag. , vijay thirumalai wrote:> Dear Mr.Rangarajan,> > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored and that is what Our Guruji did. > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We are all his children and he will not discriminate.> > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes the difference. > > Regards> > vijay > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> Dear Members,> Here are a few observations by members in the past:> 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the> time of studying the chart.> 2) An astrologer must have faith in God.> 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's> chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if> planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the> client's chart.> > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My> question is "Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by> an atheist?"> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear friends, In my opinion,: 1]Rps is planetary/zodiac position at a point of time. According to this position ideas/questions/projects/actions take birth. For interpretation/analysis of Rps, genuine urge as well as skill is needed. 2] Faith in God may not be a neccessary criteria. 3] For success in any venture, whether that of any astrologer or any other person, luck is important, in addition to skills. Considering this an atheist may may be a better astrologer than a religious person. More-over, perhaps an atheist knows the God also, better than many religious persons. Pure astrology karaka is Mercury. And that of religion is Jupiter. Mercury is wavering but can get to analyis easily. Jupiter is lucky. Many punditjis are able to tell you future without much knowledge of astrology and they earn better than many genuine astrologers. Inder , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > time of studying the chart. > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > client's chart. > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. My > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > an atheist? " > > Regards, > Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Dear friends, With our existing concepts of Time-- Sapce--Conciousness, it may not be possible to solve this puzzle of-- Freewill versus Destiny. This topic is being discussed for thousands of years without any conclusion. So it is sure, this can never be resolved. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Parag > > It is true Prof KSK has at many places said " everything is pre- destined " > > I find it diffucult to accept this statement. If everything is predestined, and ones efforts > > and actions are not going to change the destiny , then Why should one exert at all ? > > One could just keep quiet and suffer/enjoy what is pre-destined. Why does one want > > astrology at all ? What is the good knowing what your destiny is and what is going to > > happen to you, if this knowledge does not help you to ameliorate your condition ? > > Of course this argument is applied to meven justify, one'es going to an astrolger, being advised to do some pooja, and hope to get a relief. > > When the question is asked WHY Poojas, when everything is Predestined ? The standard > > answer is " YOUR doing pooja is also predestined !!!! " . > > This also raises the question of FREE-WILL !! > > let us not get into this meta-physical arguments. > > Sorry, if this hurts anyone. > > please excuse me, in advance > > parag_m_g <parag_m_g> wrote: > > >I always wonder on reading certain artilces about astrology, for > >example, horscope matching if done properly, problem could have been > >solved. But how, if a person is destined to get married with > >particular person, is possible toget correct matching > Thasts why Guruji always said that everything is predestined. > For eg. Many students of equal calibre appear for the exam, some > students fall sick at the time of exam. Some go to doctor, some even > after going to doctor cant recover. Ultimately he who is destined to > get first rank stand first. This is destiny. Inspite of equal > calibre/potential everybody gets different ranks. > Parag. > > > , vijay thirumalai > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Rangarajan, > > > > In Many places Guriji KSK indicated that god will help in our > sincere endeavour to find what is stored. In certain cases he said > what is destined cannot be altered even when an advise is given by > eminent astrologer. I always wonder on reading certain artilces about > astrology, for example, horscope matching if done properly, problem > could have been solved. But how, if a person is destined to get > married with particular person, is possible toget correct matching. > Hence according to me a good astrologer has to find what is stored > and that is what Our Guruji did. > > > > Another point about atheist. To god who is supposed to be lovable > to all will not differentiate the persons based on their belief. We > are all his children and he will not discriminate. > > > > If we try to view this as science (astrological science) it makes > no difference. If we consider this as fortune telling yes it makes > the difference. > > > > Regards > > > > vijay > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here are a few observations by members in the past: > > 1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the > > time of studying the chart. > > 2) An astrologer must have faith in God. > > 3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client's > > chart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see if > > planets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the > > client's chart. > > > > These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. > My > > question is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised by > > an atheist? " > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Rangrajan ji & Friends, I define atheist as one who doesn't believe in the existence of Almighty. I guess it is the kind of definition which suits to our discussion? If the definition is acceptable, we can come the main question i.e. can astrology be practiced by an atheist? My answer is No. Why? As soon as one starts understanding astrology and start seeing the predestined events, one starts believing the Almighty i.e. something that is controlling the universe. And if one starts believing this powerful force (whom I am calling Almighty), IMHO, we cannot call him atheist. So according to me, a good astrologer can never be an atheist. Especially KP where the theory of Karma is so tightly bound, I suspect a KP astrologer can ever be an atheist. So what about the Pranav ji's Muslim astrologer who is an atheist and giving very accurate predictions? I bet he will not be atheist till now. I request Pranav ji to get it verified again. When I started astrology, I was an atheist. But predictions of astrology have changed me a lot. Now I am strong believer of Almighty though mostly in Nirakaar sense. I also want to make another point that we should not confuse being scientific with being atheist. Accepting astrology is in itself is violating present science, as science is not able to find the force behind the astrology. (It may trigger another level of discussions, so I am stopping here but would like to take this topic some other day) Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 5/29/05, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,Here are a few observations by members in the past:1) For RPs to work, the astrologer must have a genuine urge at the time of studying the chart.2) An astrologer must have faith in God.3) Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi has told me that before examining a client'schart, an astrologer must consult his own chart first to see ifplanets favour him at that time. If not, he should not study the client's chart.These observations indicate that astrology is more than a Science. Myquestion is " Can astrology, in particular KP system, be practised byan atheist? " Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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