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Dear ALL,

What a gigantic case of misunderstanding has been taking place all these days...!

 

Please read the the paragraph 3...p.237,Astrosecrets & K.P., by Shanmugham...the very first edition,very carefully please,and I quote,in italics below...

 

" The consulting public may tell a rough time.On such occasions when you correct the Birth time,that (corrected) Birth Time should be within the time (range) given,by the consultant.

 

This clearly prescribes the range between which, the rule is applicable,i.e.,within a few minutes range only...and not for the whole day... This is, in my humble opinion, the correct interpretation...of the rule...but I guess in our enthusiasm,all of us have overlooked the conditions set...

 

I hope that this collossal misunderstanding is now cleared... once,and for all...!

 

Yours sincerely,

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Dear Lajmiji,

I don't understand how the condition that is specified in the

article is of any help. Here are various possibilities in the real

world:

1) The client insists that he was born at the time stated. He does

NOT suspect the time.

2) The client says that he is not sure of the time, but is also

unable to indicate a range.

3) The client does give a range.

 

In all three cases (even in case - 3) , I believe strongly that the

astrologer should independently verify, without blindly following

what the client says. It is possible that the correction is of a few

minutes only, or it could be much more. If you read the

article " Rectification of Birth Time - No Marriage and Heavy Loss in

Speculation - Why? KP Reveals " by Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi that appeared

in KP Year Book 2005 (Page 23), you will see that the given time

9:15am was corrected to 8:47:19am. How can this be explained? What

if the client in this case had INSISTED that the given time was

correct? Is the astrologer expected to go with that?

 

Of course, in reality, there is a sanity check: the time does not

vary by more than a few hours. Given that the sub will change within

a few minutes, this is hardly any consolation.

 

I think the discussions over the past two days on this topic -

thanks to Kanak for BOLDLY raising the issue - have shown that

relying primarily on the connection between ASC sublord and MOON

starlord for time rectification is not a good idea. I am sure all of

us have an open mind. If any member can produce proof to the

contrary, we will definitely consider it.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear ALL,

> What a gigantic case of misunderstanding has been

taking place all these days...!

>

> Please read the the paragraph

3...p.237,Astrosecrets & K.P., by Shanmugham...the very first

edition,very carefully please,and I quote,in italics below...

>

> " The consulting public may tell a rough time.On

such occasions when you correct the Birth time,that (corrected)

Birth Time should be within the time (range) given,by the consultant.

>

> This clearly prescribes the range between which,

the rule is applicable,i.e.,within a few minutes range only...and

not for the whole day... This is, in my humble opinion, the correct

interpretation...of the rule...but I guess in our enthusiasm,all of

us have overlooked the conditions set...

>

> I hope that this collossal misunderstanding is now

cleared... once,and for all...!

>

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>

>

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Dear Rangarajan,

I have merely pointed out how,WE have all,managed to mis-construe WHAT WAS PUBLISHED...ORIGINALLY...(in our enthusiasm ?)...

I have nothing more to add,and,I do not wish to either hypothesise, or argue, " for" or "against", what Mr.Shanmugham has written in his book...I leave it to all young and more experienced people,as defined,by Mr.Raichur, to arrive at a definite conclusion...as for me, I am personally quite satisfied, and use this rule whenever I come accross a "disputed" TOB,disputed by a few Minutes,only. For larger intervals, I depend upon RPs at the TOJ...

I wanted to just clarify,as to how we all,could,perhaps, get carried away by our enthusiasm ...and could even 'read' more than what was originally meant...by the author... !

This is known to be a normal human failing...

With best wishes,

lyrastro1Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Lajmiji,I don't understand how the condition that is specified in the article is of any help. Here are various possibilities in the real world:1) The client insists that he was born at the time stated. He does NOT suspect the time.2) The client says that he is not sure of the time, but is also unable to indicate a range.3) The client does give a range.In all three cases (even in case - 3) , I believe strongly that the astrologer should independently verify, without blindly following what the client says. It is possible that the correction is of a few minutes only, or it could be much more. If you read the article "Rectification of Birth Time - No Marriage and Heavy Loss in Speculation - Why? KP Reveals" by Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi that appeared in KP Year Book 2005 (Page 23), you will see that the given time

9:15am was corrected to 8:47:19am. How can this be explained? What if the client in this case had INSISTED that the given time was correct? Is the astrologer expected to go with that?Of course, in reality, there is a sanity check: the time does not vary by more than a few hours. Given that the sub will change within a few minutes, this is hardly any consolation.I think the discussions over the past two days on this topic - thanks to Kanak for BOLDLY raising the issue - have shown that relying primarily on the connection between ASC sublord and MOON starlord for time rectification is not a good idea. I am sure all of us have an open mind. If any member can produce proof to the contrary, we will definitely consider it.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear

ALL,> What a gigantic case of misunderstanding has been taking place all these days...!> > Please read the the paragraph 3...p.237,Astrosecrets & K.P., by Shanmugham...the very first edition,very carefully please,and I quote,in italics below...> > " The consulting public may tell a rough time.On such occasions when you correct the Birth time,that (corrected) Birth Time should be within the time (range) given,by the consultant.> > This clearly prescribes the range between which, the rule is applicable,i.e.,within a few minutes range

only...and not for the whole day... This is, in my humble opinion, the correct interpretation...of the rule...but I guess in our enthusiasm,all of us have overlooked the conditions set...> > I hope that this collossal misunderstanding is now cleared... once,and for all...!> > Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life

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Dear Lajmi ji,

> I have merely pointed out how,WE have all,managed to mis-construe WHAT WAS PUBLISHED...ORIGINALLY...(in our enthusiasm ?)...

Please Read Page no: 81 edition 3rd. 2003

2. if one has to know whether the given birthtime is correct or wrong the method is the borth lagna cusp sublord,should tell the birth.or the moon sign directly or in one way or the other.to tell the very birth star will be more correct.

 

Now please tell me what is the meaning of one way or the other

 

I remember that when we discuss this topic some times a go some one ( i dont remember name) write this word one way or the other very bold letter to me.

 

> I have nothing more to add,and,I do not wish to either hypothesise, or argue, " for" or "against", what Mr.Shanmugham has written in his book...I leave it to all young and more experienced people,

 

do not take this personly you are also very senior and experieced astrologer.

 

as defined,by Mr.Raichur, to arrive at a definite conclusion...as for me, I am personally quite satisfied, and use this rule

 

it is upon you what to do and what not to do. my intention is not to say stop using.only think about velidity of rules thats all nothing more.please understand me.

 

whenever I come accross a "disputed" TOB,disputed by a few Minutes,only. For larger intervals, I depend upon RPs at the TOJ...

 

RP is the most perfect method to rectiry borth time.

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Dear Kanak

What is this method of RPs of the TOJ? Would you ind explining or give a reference?

UdupaKanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:

 

 

Dear Lajmi ji,

> I have merely pointed out how,WE have all,managed to mis-construe WHAT WAS PUBLISHED...ORIGINALLY...(in our enthusiasm ?)...

Please Read Page no: 81 edition 3rd. 2003

2. if one has to know whether the given birthtime is correct or wrong the method is the borth lagna cusp sublord,should tell the birth.or the moon sign directly or in one way or the other.to tell the very birth star will be more correct.

 

Now please tell me what is the meaning of one way or the other

 

I remember that when we discuss this topic some times a go some one ( i dont remember name) write this word one way or the other very bold letter to me.

 

> I have nothing more to add,and,I do not wish to either hypothesise, or argue, " for" or "against", what Mr.Shanmugham has written in his book...I leave it to all young and more experienced people,

 

do not take this personly you are also very senior and experieced astrologer.

 

as defined,by Mr.Raichur, to arrive at a definite conclusion...as for me, I am personally quite satisfied, and use this rule

 

it is upon you what to do and what not to do. my intention is not to say stop using.only think about velidity of rules thats all nothing more.please understand me.

 

whenever I come accross a "disputed" TOB,disputed by a few Minutes,only. For larger intervals, I depend upon RPs at the TOJ...

 

RP is the most perfect method to rectiry borth time.

with best regards

kanak

 

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Dear Rangarajan,

I'm afraid that we are being too hasty in interpreting the Rule as we are all doing...I think this rule is to be used only when there is a small time difference...or when the consltant says it is sometime around X hrs- Y mins. on so and so date and such and such place...

I request all K.P. followers to read para 3,on p.237,Astrosecrets Part II,by the late M.P.Shanmugham...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro

GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Lajmiji,I don't understand how the condition that is specified in the article is of any help. Here are various possibilities in the real world:1) The client insists that he was born at the time stated. He does NOT suspect the time.2) The client says that he is not sure of the time, but is also unable to indicate a range.3) The client does give a range.In all three cases (even in case - 3) , I believe strongly that the astrologer should independently verify, without blindly following what the client says. It is possible that the correction is of a few minutes only, or it could be much more. If you read the article "Rectification of Birth Time - No Marriage and Heavy Loss in Speculation - Why? KP Reveals" by Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi that appeared in KP Year Book 2005 (Page 23), you will see that the given time

9:15am was corrected to 8:47:19am. How can this be explained? What if the client in this case had INSISTED that the given time was correct? Is the astrologer expected to go with that?Of course, in reality, there is a sanity check: the time does not vary by more than a few hours. Given that the sub will change within a few minutes, this is hardly any consolation.I think the discussions over the past two days on this topic - thanks to Kanak for BOLDLY raising the issue - have shown that relying primarily on the connection between ASC sublord and MOON starlord for time rectification is not a good idea. I am sure all of us have an open mind. If any member can produce proof to the contrary, we will definitely consider it.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear

ALL,> What a gigantic case of misunderstanding has been taking place all these days...!> > Please read the the paragraph 3...p.237,Astrosecrets & K.P., by Shanmugham...the very first edition,very carefully please,and I quote,in italics below...> > " The consulting public may tell a rough time.On such occasions when you correct the Birth time,that (corrected) Birth Time should be within the time (range) given,by the consultant.> > This clearly prescribes the range between which, the rule is applicable,i.e.,within a few minutes range

only...and not for the whole day... This is, in my humble opinion, the correct interpretation...of the rule...but I guess in our enthusiasm,all of us have overlooked the conditions set...> > I hope that this collossal misunderstanding is now cleared... once,and for all...!> > Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life

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Friends,

 

Let us stop discussing over this and ponder over any other methodology that can be useful for birth time rectificaiton. As of now it seems that Asc-Moon method is either only for rectification in a small time-range or not useful at all. It would be great if we can have more widely applicable method. I have used RP based rectification and very much satisfied with it. In fact it is really amazing method and is tested with the time. Anyways, IMO the process suggested by Ron ji can be another good starting point.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

On 5/25/05, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

Dear Rangarajan,

I'm afraid that we are being too hasty in interpreting the Rule as we are all doing...I think this rule is to be used only when there is a small time difference...or when the consltant says it is sometime around X hrs- Y mins. on so and so date and such and such place...

 

I request all K.P. followers to read para 3,on p.237,Astrosecrets Part II,by the late M.P.Shanmugham...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro

GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga

> wrote:

 

Dear Lajmiji,I don't understand how the condition that is specified in the article is of any help. Here are various possibilities in the real world:1) The client insists that he was born at the time stated. He does NOT suspect the time.2) The client says that he is not sure of the time, but is also unable to indicate a range.3) The client does give a range.

In all three cases (even in case - 3) , I believe strongly that the astrologer should independently verify, without blindly following what the client says. It is possible that the correction is of a few

minutes only, or it could be much more. If you read the article " Rectification of Birth Time - No Marriage and Heavy Loss in Speculation - Why? KP Reveals " by Shri.Kuppu Ganapathi that appeared in KP Year Book 2005 (Page 23), you will see that the given time 9:15am was corrected to 8:47:19am. How can this be explained? What if the client in this case had INSISTED that the given time was correct? Is the astrologer expected to go with that?Of course, in reality, there is a sanity check: the time does not vary by more than a few hours. Given that the sub will change within a few minutes, this is hardly any consolation.I think the discussions over the past two days on this topic - thanks to Kanak for BOLDLY raising the issue - have shown that relying primarily on the connection between ASC sublord and MOON starlord for time rectification is not a good idea. I am sure all of us have an open mind. If any member can produce proof to the contrary, we will definitely consider it.

Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@y

....> wrote:> Dear ALL,> What a gigantic case of misunderstanding has been taking place all these days...!> > Please read the the paragraph 3...p.237,Astrosecrets & K.P., by Shanmugham...the very first edition,very carefully please,and I quote,in italics below...> > " The consulting public may tell a rough time.On such occasions when you correct the Birth time,that (corrected) Birth Time should be within the time (range) given,by the consultant.> > This clearly prescribes the range between which, the rule is applicable,i.e.,within a few minutes range only...and not for the whole day... This is, in my humble opinion, the correct interpretation...of the rule...but I guess in our enthusiasm,all of us have overlooked the conditions set...> > I hope that this collossal misunderstanding is now cleared... once,and for all...!> > Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

 

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