PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

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Respected members,

MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested

PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind

it.please give me some light about this remedy.

Regards

Kunwar Vishal

[Guest guest]

Respected Vishal ji,

 

With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed sleep then:

 

“ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke charon paye un par tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[ page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

 

It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep. In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars] nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars alone which can keep the rahu under control as a mahawat keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer wrote:>> Respected members,> MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind it.please give me some light about this remedy.> Regards> Kunwar Vishal>

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Respected Varun ji,

is this remedy only for person who has only moon in ascendent or anyone who has disturb sleep can do this.

Regards

Kunwar Vishal--- On Fri, 27/11/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 10:19 AM

 

Respected Vishal ji,

 

With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed sleep then:

 

“ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke charon paye un par tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[ page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

 

It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep. In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars] nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars alone which can keep the rahu under control as a mahawat keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:>> Respected members,> MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind it.please give me some light about this remedy.> Regards> Kunwar Vishal>

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Respected Vishal ji,

 

I believe it should help every one who has a disturbed sleep.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, vishalastrologer gandhi

<vishalastrologer wrote:

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> Respected Varun ji,

>                              is this remedy only

for person who has only moon in ascendent or anyone who has disturb sleep can do

this.

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

>

> --- On Fri, 27/11/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

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> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

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> Friday, 27 November, 2009, 10:19 AM

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> Respected Vishal ji,

>  

> With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed sleep then:

>  

> “ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke charon paye un par

tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[ page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

>  

> It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep. In order to keep the

rahu under control the copper [mars] nails have been advised. As we all know

that it is the mars alone which can keep the rahu under control as  a mahawat

keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the four bed-posts will act

as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Varun Trivedi

>

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> , " vishalastrologer "

<vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> > MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR

LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind it.please give me some light about this

remedy.

> > Regards

> > Kunwar Vishal

> >

>

>

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Varun Jee,

Kripya yeh batane ka kasht karein ki copper ko MARS kaise samjhe jab ki mujh jaisa nachese shaksh aaj tak copper ko SURAJ ki hee ashiya samjhata raha. Aur yeh bhee batane ka kasht karein ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par tamba ko MARS kaha gaya hai.Aur kaun se eddition mein aisa likha hai ki Tamba MARS hai.

Mafi ke satth

Aapka

MAHAJAN>--- On Fri, 11/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 4:49 AM

 

Respected Vishal ji,

 

With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed sleep then:

 

“ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke charon paye un par tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[ page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

 

It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep. In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars] nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars alone which can keep the rahu under control as a mahawat keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:>> Respected members,> MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind it.please give me some light about this remedy.> Regards> Kunwar Vishal>

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Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

 

 

 

is upaya ke sandharbha mein yadi aap aisa mante hain ki yahan tambe ki keelon ka

tatparya surya se hai, to tambe ki keel raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne mein

kaise sahayak hongi, jab ki aap jante hain ki raat ko neend mein khalal dalne ka

kaam Rahu ka hai?

 

Surya ki keelen rahu par kaise havi hokar rahu ko qaboo mein rakh sakengi jab ki

rahu itna shaktishali hota hai ki surya ko hi grahan laga sakata hai?

 

Aap ka uttar pane ke bad mein yah bata doonga ki meine tambe ko mangal ka karak

kyon kaha halaki mein bhi janta hoon ki tambe ko surya ka karak bhi mana gaya

hai.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

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> Varun Jee,

> Kripya yeh batane ka kasht karein ki copper ko MARS kaise samjhe jab ki mujh

jaisa nachese shaksh aaj tak copper ko SURAJ ki hee ashiya samjhata raha. Aur

yeh bhee batane ka kasht karein ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par tamba ko MARS kaha

gaya hai.Aur kaun se eddition mein aisa likha hai ki Tamba MARS hai.

> Mafi ke satth

> Aapka

> MAHAJAN>

>

> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

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> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> Friday, November 27, 2009, 4:49 AM

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> Respected Vishal ji,

>  

> With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed sleep then:

>  

> “ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke charon paye un par

tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[ page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

>  

> It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep. In order to keep the

rahu under control the copper [mars] nails have been advised. As we all know

that it is the mars alone which can keep the rahu under control as  a mahawat

keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the four bed-posts will act

as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Varun Trivedi

>

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> , " vishalastrologer "

<vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> > MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR

LEGS OF BED.what is the logic behind it.please give me some light about this

remedy.

> > Regards

> > Kunwar Vishal

> >

>

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Varun Ji.

Aap ka hukam sar mathe , koshish karta hoon ki theek theek likh sakoon, kahan

tak kamyab huan hoon nahi janta, iska faisla mein members aur aap par chhodta

hoo.

 

1... Aisa kya hota hai ki raat ko neend na aye aur neend kyon haram hogi?

2... Bed par keel kyon garhe aur woh bhee Tambey kee ?

 

 

1... Mere khayal se neend ka talouq ketu se hai, aur usko haram karna Rahu ka

kaam hai. Abb agar isko kuchh iss tarah dekhe ki need kharab tabhi hogi agar

ketu ka dakhal ho, kyonki yeh to sabhi ko maloom hoga ki ketu khana 12 mein mein

unch hai(yahan par Shukar bhee unch hota hai aur done hee Chander ke dushman

hain shayad iss liye khana no 1 mein ketu/shukar ka dakhal hoga... Bed(ketu)

pleasure nahi milta hoga ya kum milta hoga ),aur khana No. 12 aur khana No.1 kee

deewar mushtarka hee hai.Shayad issi ko dhayan mein rakh kar Pujya Pandit jee ne

dekha ki yahan par Chanader hone se ketu kuchh na kuchh dakhal kar raha hai

kyonki uss ne Chander ko grahan lagana hee hai,(Chander aur Ketu dono ka unch

phal kabhi nahi milta/bahut kum cases mein aisa hota hai ki dono apna unch phal

dein) uska kuchh bas na chala to usne uski neend hee kharab kar dee, kyonki uska

pura jor apni hee ashiya(bed) par hee chala.

 

 

2...Abb bed par tambey kee keel kyon garhe. Abb aisa maan kar chalein kee agar

khana no 1 mein Ketu ho to kya hoga ?(Ketu khana No 1 mein dakhal de raha

hai)Yeh to sab jante hain ki Ketu jab bhee khana no 1 mein hoga Suraj ko unch

karega. Kyonki iss ghar mein Suraj unch hota hai, agar Rahu yahan par Suraj ko

grahan lagata hai to ketu usko unch karta hai.Basically keel(loha) jo hai woh

shani ki ashiya hain, yahan par shani neech hai(khana No 1 ).Issiliye shani

neech ka asar na mile usko (keel) ko tambey ka kar diya ta ki ketu kisi bhee

tarah se shararat na kar sakey.Aur jiska Chander khana no 1 mein hai woh araam

se neend/bed pleasure ko bhog sakey.Yahan par dhayan rakhein kee jiska Chander

khana no 1 mein ho uski charpai/bed ke charon paye bilkul darusat hone chahiye

warna fir se Chander grahan ka zamana hee hoga.

 

Abb agar rahu ko hee kabu mein karna hota to yahan par pillow ke neeche ya andar

Saunf rakhwa dete.

 

MAHAJAN

 

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

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Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

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> is upaya ke sandharbha mein yadi aap aisa mante hain ki

> yahan tambe ki keelon ka tatparya surya se hai, to tambe ki

> keel raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne mein kaise sahayak

> hongi, jab ki aap jante hain ki raat ko neend mein khalal

> dalne ka kaam Rahu ka hai?

>

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>

> Surya ki keelen rahu par kaise havi hokar rahu ko qaboo

> mein rakh sakengi jab ki rahu itna shaktishali hota hai ki

> surya ko hi grahan laga sakata hai?

>

>

>

> Aap ka uttar pane ke bad mein yah bata doonga ki meine

> tambe ko mangal ka karak kyon kaha halaki mein bhi janta

> hoon ki tambe ko surya ka karak bhi mana gaya hai.

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> Regards,

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> Varun Trivedi

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> , Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54@

> ...> wrote:

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> > Varun Jee,

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> > Kripya yeh batane ka kasht karein ki copper ko MARS

> kaise samjhe jab ki mujh jaisa nachese shaksh aaj tak copper

> ko SURAJ ki hee ashiya samjhata raha. Aur yeh bhee batane ka

> kasht karein ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par tamba ko MARS kaha

> gaya hai.Aur kaun se eddition mein aisa likha hai ki Tamba

> MARS hai.

>

> > Mafi ke satth

>

> > Aapka

>

> > MAHAJAN>

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> >

>

> > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@

> ...> wrote:

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> > With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed

> sleep then:

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> > “ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke

> charon paye un par tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[

> page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

>

> >  

>

> > It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep.

> In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars]

> nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars

> alone which can keep the rahu under control as  a mahawat

> keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the

> four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of

> Rahu during the sleep.

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> > Regards,

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> COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic

> behind it.please give me some light about this remedy.

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> > > Regards

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> > > Kunwar Vishal

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[Guest guest]

Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

 

sundar vyakhya evam prayas hai.

 

parantu mein aap se sahamat nahi hun.

 

Ketu ke sandarbh mein jab shayya sukh ki baat hoti hai to sexual pleasure ke

sandarbha mein hoti hai. Ketu ko kamdev ka farishta, dhad ki buri harqat ityadi

ke roop mein pahchana gaya hai.

 

mein aisa manta hun ki jab raat ko disturbed sleep ki baat hoti hai to is ke

liye rahu ko hi doshi mana jata hai.

 

ab baat tambe ki

 

Pt. Krishna Ashant ji evam swargeeya shraddhyeya Dhanvantari ji dono ne

Chamakdar [shining copper, like the colour of the rising sun] tamba surya ka

karak mana hai, aur sadharan bina Chamak ka tamba [non shining copper]Mangal ka

karak mana hai. Pt. Krishna Ashant ji ki pustak 'trik bhavanon ki gatha' page 63

par mangal ke liye tambe ka hi prayog kiya hai.

 

meine usi parampara ka nirvahan kiya hai.

 

grahon ke karak Lal Kitab ki apni ijaad nahi hai. Lal Kitab se itar bhi Bhartiya

jyotish sahitya mein grahon ke karakon ka vishad varnan hai. Kalidas krit

jyotish granth Uttar Kalamrit [khand 5] mein sabhi grahon ke karakon ko bahut

vistar se diya hai. Karakon ke bare mein itane vistar se kisi aur Jyotish granth

mein nahi milta.

 

Uttar Kalamrit ki jo prati mere pas hai us mein page 94 se page 138 tak grahon

aur bhavon ke karakon ki list Sanskrit slokon mein di gayee hai. is pustak mein

diye gaye karak samast Bhartiya Jyotish samaj mein sarva manya hain.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

>

> Varun Ji.

> Aap ka hukam sar mathe , koshish karta hoon ki theek theek likh sakoon, kahan

tak kamyab huan hoon nahi janta, iska faisla mein members aur aap par chhodta

hoo.

>

> 1... Aisa kya hota hai ki raat ko neend na aye aur neend kyon haram hogi?

> 2... Bed par keel kyon garhe aur woh bhee Tambey kee ?

>

>

> 1... Mere khayal se neend ka talouq ketu se hai, aur usko haram karna Rahu ka

kaam hai. Abb agar isko kuchh iss tarah dekhe ki need kharab tabhi hogi agar

ketu ka dakhal ho, kyonki yeh to sabhi ko maloom hoga ki ketu khana 12 mein mein

unch hai(yahan par Shukar bhee unch hota hai aur done hee Chander ke dushman

hain shayad iss liye khana no 1 mein ketu/shukar ka dakhal hoga... Bed(ketu)

pleasure nahi milta hoga ya kum milta hoga ),aur khana No. 12 aur khana No.1 kee

deewar mushtarka hee hai.Shayad issi ko dhayan mein rakh kar Pujya Pandit jee ne

dekha ki yahan par Chanader hone se ketu kuchh na kuchh dakhal kar raha hai

kyonki uss ne Chander ko grahan lagana hee hai,(Chander aur Ketu dono ka unch

phal kabhi nahi milta/bahut kum cases mein aisa hota hai ki dono apna unch phal

dein) uska kuchh bas na chala to usne uski neend hee kharab kar dee, kyonki uska

pura jor apni hee ashiya(bed) par hee chala.

>

>

> 2...Abb bed par tambey kee keel kyon garhe. Abb aisa maan kar chalein kee

agar khana no 1 mein Ketu ho to kya hoga ?(Ketu khana No 1 mein dakhal de raha

hai)Yeh to sab jante hain ki Ketu jab bhee khana no 1 mein hoga Suraj ko unch

karega. Kyonki iss ghar mein Suraj unch hota hai, agar Rahu yahan par Suraj ko

grahan lagata hai to ketu usko unch karta hai.Basically keel(loha) jo hai woh

shani ki ashiya hain, yahan par shani neech hai(khana No 1 ).Issiliye shani

neech ka asar na mile usko (keel) ko tambey ka kar diya ta ki ketu kisi bhee

tarah se shararat na kar sakey.Aur jiska Chander khana no 1 mein hai woh araam

se neend/bed pleasure ko bhog sakey.Yahan par dhayan rakhein kee jiska Chander

khana no 1 mein ho uski charpai/bed ke charon paye bilkul darusat hone chahiye

warna fir se Chander grahan ka zamana hee hoga.

>

> Abb agar rahu ko hee kabu mein karna hota to yahan par pillow ke neeche ya

andar Saunf rakhwa dete.

>

> MAHAJAN

>

> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

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> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd

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> > is upaya ke sandharbha mein yadi aap aisa mante hain ki

> > yahan tambe ki keelon ka tatparya surya se hai, to tambe ki

> > keel raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne mein kaise sahayak

> > hongi, jab ki aap jante hain ki raat ko neend mein khalal

> > dalne ka kaam Rahu ka hai?

> >

> >

> >

> > Surya ki keelen rahu par kaise havi hokar rahu ko qaboo

> > mein rakh sakengi jab ki rahu itna shaktishali hota hai ki

> > surya ko hi grahan laga sakata hai?

> >

> >

> >

> > Aap ka uttar pane ke bad mein yah bata doonga ki meine

> > tambe ko mangal ka karak kyon kaha halaki mein bhi janta

> > hoon ki tambe ko surya ka karak bhi mana gaya hai.

> >

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> > Regards,

> >

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> > Varun Trivedi

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> >

> > , Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54@

> > ...> wrote:

> >

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> > > Varun Jee,

> >

> > > Kripya yeh batane ka kasht karein ki copper ko MARS

> > kaise samjhe jab ki mujh jaisa nachese shaksh aaj tak copper

> > ko SURAJ ki hee ashiya samjhata raha. Aur yeh bhee batane ka

> > kasht karein ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par tamba ko MARS kaha

> > gaya hai.Aur kaun se eddition mein aisa likha hai ki Tamba

> > MARS hai.

> >

> > > Mafi ke satth

> >

> > > Aapka

> >

> > > MAHAJAN>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@

> > ...> wrote:

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> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> >

> > > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER

> > NAILS

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> > > Respected Vishal ji,

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> > > With moon in the 1st house, if one gets a disturbed

> > sleep then:

> >

> > >  

> >

> > > “ raat ko aram ki zindagi guzarne ke liye charpai ke

> > charon paye un par tambe ki mekhen garh kar nek hongi†[

> > page 371; 1952 urdu ed]

> >

> > >  

> >

> > > It is believed that rahu disturbs the night’s sleep.

> > In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars]

> > nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars

> > alone which can keep the rahu under control as  a mahawat

> > keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the

> > four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of

> > Rahu during the sleep.

> >

> > >  

> >

> > > Regards,

> >

> > >  

> >

> > > Varun Trivedi

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> > > > MOON in lagan,then upay is suggested PUNCHED THE

> > COPPER NAILS IN THE FOUR LEGS OF BED.what is the logic

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[Guest guest]

Varun Jee,

Dhanyawad , baat ko aage badate hue yeh puchhna chahta hoon ki ye group jo hai sirf aur sirf LAL KITAB ke baare hai ya iss mein kisi aur vishay par bhee baat hoti rahegi, agar sirf LAL KITAB ke baare mein hai to kripya yeh baatne ka kasht karei ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par ya kis jagah yeh likha hai ki Tamba jo hai agar chamakdar ho to woh Suraj hoga ya Tamba sirf MANGAL hai.

 

Agar aapko yeh pata tha ki chamak wala Tamba Suraj hai to aapne yeh kyon nahi likha ke dhayan rakhe ki jo tambe kee keel ho woh chamakdar nahi honi chahiye,warna nuksan hoga, kyonki Pujya Pandit jee ne kai jagah par aise dhayan dilwaya hai. aapka message niche paste kar rahan hoon kyonki aapne copper ko mars likha hai.

 

In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars]nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the marsalone which can keep the rahu under control as a mahawat keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on thefour bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of Rahu during the sleep.

Mein jin kitabo ki aap baat kar rahe hai unko padh kar unn par itna amal nahi karta jitna ki aajkal ke vidhwan /ya aap karte ho. Yahan par mein kisi ki ninda nahi kar raha tatha na hee mein itna vidwan hoon ki kisi kee ninda kar sakoon, apna apna vichar hai, aap isse chahe meri zid samjhe ya nasamjhi.Kyonki jo aapko/mujhko LAL KITAB de sakti hai woh yeh tathakathit LAL KITAB par likhne wale sari ummar bhee guzar de to nahi de sakte.

 

Agar aap chahe to Tamba par puri kitab likh de aur usse chahe to Chander kee hi ashiya bata de,(tamba kee vastu ko milk mein rakhwa de, safed rang karwa de fir usko chander sabit kar de), agar LAL KITAB par aise hee vidhwan hain to mujh aise vidhwano kee bilkul bhee zarrorat nahi, aap Tamba mein tarbooz dhond rahe ho.

 

Aap ek baat note kar lein ki Tamba hamesha Suraj hai ayr Suraj hee rahega. Tambey kee apni chamak hai. Uss chamak ko aap ghata bada to sakte ho(usski safai ya dekhbhal kar ke) lekin uski rangat change nahi kar sakte.Agar tambey ka rang hee change ho gaya to woh tamba hee nahi rahega fir aap usse chahe to kisi aur grah kee bhee ashiya keh sakte hai.

 

Abb rahi baat Chander ke khana no 1 mein hone par Mangal kee sahayta lene par to aap usko jiska chander khana no 1 mein ho LAL RANG ka rumal rakhne ke baare keh sakte hain aur hota bhee yehi hai.

 

Mafi Sahit

Aapka Bigda hua tatha nalayak/nasamajh member

 

MAHAJAN

 

[Guest guest]

Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

 

yah group sirf aur sirf Lal Kitab tak hi seemit NAHI hai.

 

If you might have read in the introduction of the group, we consider Lal Kitab

paddhati as a part of our age old traditional Indian Vedic Astrology. We do not

consider the Lal Kitab paddhati as an alien system. Therefore we accept most of

the axioms of the traditional Vedic astrology while trying to understand the Lal

Kitab paddhati.

 

As far as we are concerned, we are open to the entire literature on Indian

astrology. We do not want to confine ourselves to the Lal Kitab alone because we

consider it just a part of the larger system called Indian Vedic astrology. Our

aim is to assimilate all astrological knowledge for the benefit of the mankind.

 

At the same time we encourage differences of opinion. Therefore you are free to

continue believing that Ketu is the planet responsible for a disturbed sleep,

where as we believe that it is Rahu; You can continue believing that copper

signifies only the Sun, where as we believe that it also signifies the Mars, the

difference being the shining and the nonshining copper.

 

Yes I agree with you; I should have mentioned the copper nails to be used should

be of non-shining copper.

 

We can still walk together inspite of our differences,can't we?

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

>

> Varun Jee,

> Dhanyawad , baat ko aage badate hue yeh puchhna chahta hoon ki ye group jo hai

sirf aur sirf LAL KITAB ke baare hai ya iss mein kisi aur vishay par bhee baat

hoti rahegi, agar sirf LAL KITAB ke baare mein hai to kripya yeh baatne ka kasht

karei ki LAL KITAB ke kis page par ya kis jagah yeh likha hai ki Tamba jo hai

agar chamakdar ho to woh?Suraj hoga ya Tamba sirf MANGAL hai.

> ?

> Agar aapko yeh pata tha ki chamak wala Tamba Suraj hai to aapne yeh kyon

nahi?likha ke dhayan rakhe ki jo tambe kee keel?ho woh chamakdar nahi honi

chahiye,warna nuksan hoga, kyonki Pujya Pandit jee ne kai jagah par aise dhayan

dilwaya hai. aapka message niche paste kar rahan hoon kyonki aapne copper ko

mars likha hai.?

> ?

>

> ?In order to keep the rahu under control the copper [mars]

> nails have been advised. As we all know that it is the mars

> alone which can keep the rahu under control as ?a mahawat

> ?keeps an elephant under control. The copper nails on the

> four bed-posts will act as a guard against the mischief of

> ?Rahu during the sleep.

>

> Mein jin kitabo ki aap baat kar rahe hai unko padh kar unn par itna amal nahi

karta jitna ki aajkal ke vidhwan ?/ya aap karte ho. Yahan par mein kisi ki ninda

nahi kar raha tatha na hee mein itna vidwan hoon ki kisi kee ninda kar sakoon,

apna apna vichar hai, aap isse chahe meri zid samjhe ya nasamjhi.Kyonki jo

aapko/mujhko LAL KITAB de sakti hai woh yeh tathakathit LAL KITAB par likhne

wale sari ummar bhee guzar de to nahi de sakte.

> ?

> Agar aap chahe to Tamba par puri kitab likh de aur usse chahe to Chander kee

hi ashiya bata de,(tamba kee vastu ko milk mein rakhwa de, safed rang karwa de

fir usko chander sabit kar de), agar LAL KITAB par aise hee vidhwan hain to mujh

aise vidhwano kee bilkul bhee zarrorat nahi, aap Tamba mein tarbooz dhond rahe

ho.

> ?

> Aap ek baat note kar lein ki Tamba hamesha Suraj hai ayr Suraj hee rahega.

Tambey kee apni chamak hai. Uss chamak ko aap ghata bada to sakte ho(usski safai

ya dekhbhal kar ke)?lekin uski rangat change nahi kar sakte.Agar tambey ka rang

hee change ho gaya to woh tamba hee nahi rahega fir aap usse chahe to kisi aur

grah kee bhee ashiya keh sakte hai.

> ?

> Abb rahi baat Chander ke khana no 1 mein hone par Mangal kee sahayta lene par

to aap usko jiska chander khana no 1 mein ho LAL RANG ka rumal rakhne ke baare

keh sakte hain aur hota bhee yehi hai.

> ?

> Mafi Sahit

> Aapka Bigda hua tatha nalayak/nasamajh member

> ?

> MAHAJAN

> ?

>

[Guest guest]

Varun Jee,

Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

 

Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.

 

Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

 

Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji aadhi hain.

 

Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap safai se door kar sakte hain.

 

Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to mein aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

 

MAHAJAN

M-09872646747

 

[Guest guest]

Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

 

Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur hamara

vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina chamakwala tamba

mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba sirf aur sirf mangal ka

hi karak mana gaya hai.

 

Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

 

Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya soch ek hi

ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana rah sakta hai.

 

ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend mein khalal

dalta hai'

 

hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi gayee tambe

ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop mein dekhte hain.

Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu par niyantran rakha sakta

hai aur vah hai mangal.

 

Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi. bas itana

dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha mein kataksha na

rahe.

 

hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain; ek doosare

ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par niyantran rakhte huye

samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

 

Aadar sahit,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

>

> Varun Jee,

> Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar diye, jiske

liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> ?

> Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf aur sirf rahu

ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> ?

> Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai aur kuchh

nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ khana no 11 kee

ashiyan hai.

> ?

> Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan bhee hain,

samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, yeh dono kisi khana

mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji aadhi hain.

> ?

> Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein shani ka

adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye yahan par SURAJ ko

mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor na ho (shining-mangal) agar

tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga

hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai,

kyonki khana 11 , khana no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka

adhikar hai, lekin unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta

hai iss liye khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to uss par

thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap safai se door

kar sakte hain.

> ?

> Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai (samjha jata

hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise hee TAMBA suraj hai

sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala

TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi

deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee

agar koi sanshay ho to mein aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> ?

> MAHAJAN

>

> ?

>

[Guest guest]

Varun ji;

 

i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

 

i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

 

in this book also

 

Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by Kalidas. here

raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba misprinted as

raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh tamba in lalkitab.

 

from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste and taken

as shay of mars.

 

Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

 

Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have led to the

prominence to being its significator of Sun.

 

could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is written in

lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

 

i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in order to

understand the significance of copper.

 

working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

regards

 

Kulbir

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

>

> Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur hamara

vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina chamakwala tamba

mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba sirf aur sirf mangal ka

hi karak mana gaya hai.

>

> Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

>

> Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya soch ek hi

ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana rah sakta hai.

>

> ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend mein khalal

dalta hai'

>

> hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi gayee

tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop mein dekhte

hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu par niyantran rakha

sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

>

> Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi. bas itana

dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha mein kataksha na

rahe.

>

> hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain; ek doosare

ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par niyantran rakhte huye

samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

>

> Aadar sahit,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54@>

wrote:

> >

> > Varun Jee,

> > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar diye, jiske

liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > ?

> > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf aur sirf

rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > ?

> > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai aur kuchh

nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ khana no 11 kee

ashiyan hai.

> > ?

> > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan bhee hain,

samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, yeh dono kisi khana

mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji aadhi hain.

> > ?

> > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein shani ka

adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye yahan par SURAJ ko

mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor na ho (shining-mangal) agar

tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga

hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai,

kyonki khana 11 , khana no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka

adhikar hai, lekin unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta

hai iss liye khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to uss par

thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap safai se door

kar sakte hain.

> > ?

> > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai (samjha jata

hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise hee TAMBA suraj hai

sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala

TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi

deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee

agar koi sanshay ho to mein aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > ?

> > MAHAJAN

> >

> > ?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Varun Jee,

 

Aapke vishvas ke anusar agar maan kar chalein to kyaKetu ke saath aise mangal sthapit karne se kya ketu(BETA) nadarad nahi hoga ?

 

Yahan par dusra upay bhee to diya hai Pujya Pandit jee ne ki badh ke brikhsh ko sada pani dein,to kya yahan par bhee neend (aapke anusar) mein khalal daalne par woh kaise kabu mein aa rahi hai.

 

Mere anusar to Chander lagan mein hone par neend mein khalal paida nahi hota hai, aapke anusar hota ho to ho ??????

 

KYONKI JAB AAP YEH SAMAJH LENGE KI NEEND MEIN KHALAL PAIDA NAHI HO RAHA TO AAP TAMBA KO SURSJ BHEE MAAN LENGE, AISA MERA VISHVAS HAI.

 

Ya fir aap Mangal ki ashiya mein kahin likha bata dein ki Tamba MANGAL ki ashiya hain to bhee maan loo.

 

MAHAJAN

09872646747

[Guest guest]

Respected mahajan ji;

Chander lagan mein hone par neend mein khalal paida nahi hota hai,

 

kindly consider point no.3 mandi halat

Din Raat Dukhiya - Beaaraam ---- mangal bad, manda budh ya khanna no 8. manda.

 

Regards

kulbir

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

>

> Varun Jee,

>  

> Aapke vishvas ke anusar agar maan kar chalein to kyaKetu ke saath aise mangal

sthapit karne se kya ketu(BETA) nadarad nahi hoga ?

>  

> Yahan par dusra upay bhee to diya hai Pujya Pandit jee ne ki badh ke brikhsh

ko sada pani dein,to kya yahan par bhee neend (aapke anusar) mein khalal daalne

par woh kaise kabu mein aa rahi hai.

>  

> Mere anusar to Chander lagan mein hone par neend mein khalal paida nahi hota

hai, aapke anusar hota ho to ho ??????

>  

> KYONKI JAB AAP YEH SAMAJH LENGE KI NEEND MEIN KHALAL PAIDA NAHI HO RAHA TO AAP

TAMBA KO SURSJ BHEE MAAN LENGE, AISA MERA VISHVAS HAI.

>  

> Ya fir aap Mangal ki ashiya mein kahin likha bata dein ki Tamba MANGAL ki

ashiya hain to bhee maan loo.

>  

> MAHAJAN

> 09872646747 

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded the image form of the shloks themselves.

 

Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

Khand 5 karkatwa khand

 

Surya

 

Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

 

hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

 

hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

rajyam = state

cha = and

rakta = red

patah = cloth

 

 

 

Mars

 

Shlok : 33 [relevant line only]

 

raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

 

raktam = blood

tambra = copper

vichitravastra = unusual clothes

yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

[yamdik = direction of yam = south]

cha = and

ta = that

dik = direction

priyah = loving

[tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

 

Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary copper is considered a karak of Mars.

 

 

Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it says:

 

‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

 

Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

 

Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh tamba’

 

As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

 

“ sooraj ne garami,gussa,tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai | saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash] iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

 

Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Varun ji;> > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;> > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma> > in this book also> > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh tamba in lalkitab.> > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste and taken as shay of mars.> > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.> > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun. > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba> > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in order to understand the significance of copper.> > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.> regards> > Kulbir> > > > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.> > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.> > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana rah sakta hai.> > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend mein khalal dalta hai' > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.> > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi. bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha mein kataksha na rahe.> > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain; ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.> > > > Aadar sahit,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54@> wrote:> > >> > > Varun Jee,> > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.> > > ?> > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?> > > ?> > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.> > > ?> > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain, yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji aadhi hain.> > > ?> > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap safai se door kar sakte hain.> > > ?> > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to mein aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.> > > ?> > > MAHAJAN> > > > > > ?> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Mahajan ji,

 

You are most welcome to continue holding your views.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54

wrote:

>

> Varun Jee,

> ?

> Aapke vishvas ke anusar agar maan kar chalein to kyaKetu ke saath aise mangal

sthapit karne se kya ketu(BETA) nadarad nahi hoga ?

> ?

> Yahan par dusra upay bhee to diya hai Pujya Pandit jee ne ki badh ke brikhsh

ko sada pani dein,to kya yahan par bhee neend?(aapke anusar) mein khalal daalne

par woh kaise kabu mein aa rahi hai.

> ?

> Mere anusar to Chander lagan mein hone par neend mein khalal paida nahi hota

hai, aapke anusar hota ho to ho ??????

> ?

> KYONKI JAB AAP YEH SAMAJH LENGE KI NEEND MEIN KHALAL PAIDA NAHI HO RAHA TO AAP

TAMBA KO SURSJ BHEE MAAN LENGE, AISA MERA VISHVAS HAI.

> ?

> Ya fir aap Mangal ki ashiya mein kahin likha bata dein ki Tamba MANGAL ki

ashiya hain to bhee maan loo.

> ?

> MAHAJAN

> 09872646747?

>

[Guest guest]

Varun ji,

 

That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

 

but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

 

1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda,

chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

 

here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

>

>

> I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> the image form of the shloks themselves.

>

>

>

> Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

>

> Khand 5 karkatwa khand

>

>

>

> Surya

>

>

>

> Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

>

>

>

> hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

>

>

>

> hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

>

> poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

>

> tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

>

> rajyam = state

>

> cha = and

>

> rakta = red

>

> patah = cloth

>

Mars

>

>

>

> Shlok : 33 [relevant line only]

>

>

>

> raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

>

>

>

> raktam = blood

>

> tambra = copper

>

> vichitravastra = unusual clothes

>

> yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

>

> [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

>

> cha = and

>

> ta = that

>

> dik = direction

>

> priyah = loving

>

> [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

>

>

>

> Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> copper is considered a karak of Mars.

>

>

>

>

>

> Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

> says:

>

>

>

> ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

>

>

>

> Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

>

>

>

> Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

> word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> tamba’

>

>

>

> As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

>

>

>

> “ sooraj ne garami,gussa,tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

>

>

>

> Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

>

>

>

> Have a nice day,

>

>

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Varun ji;

> >

> > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

> >

> > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

> >

> > in this book also

> >

> > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> tamba in lalkitab.

> >

> > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> and taken as shay of mars.

> >

> > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

> >

> > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

> >

> > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

> >

> > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> order to understand the significance of copper.

> >

> > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > regards

> >

> > Kulbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > >

> > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

> > >

> > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > >

> > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> rah sakta hai.

> > >

> > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> mein khalal dalta hai'

> > >

> > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

> > >

> > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> mein kataksha na rahe.

> > >

> > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

> > >

> > > Aadar sahit,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Hemant Mohan

> <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > > > ?

> > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > > > ?

> > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > ?

> > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> aadhi hain.

> > > > ?

> > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> safai se door kar sakte hain.

> > > > ?

> > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to mein

> aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > > > ?

> > > > MAHAJAN

> > > >

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

1952 urdu ed; page 1005

grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba'

Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

 

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> > Varun ji,> > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner; > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;> > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.> > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.> > Regards> Kulbir> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from> > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded> > the image form of the shloks themselves.> > > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]> > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand> > > > > > > > Surya> > > > > > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]> > > > > > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah> > > > > > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]> > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction> > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood> > > > rajyam = state> > > > cha = and> > > > rakta = red> > > > patah = cloth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant line only]> > > > > > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah> > > > > > > > raktam = blood> > > > tambra = copper> > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes> > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction> > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]> > > > cha = and> > > > ta = that> > > > dik = direction> > > > priyah = loving> > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]> > > > > > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between> > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers> > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary> > copper is considered a karak of Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it> > says:> > > > > > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4> > > > > > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another> > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have> > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say> > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a> > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh> > tamba’> > > > > > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:> > > > > > > > “ sooraj ne garami,gussa,tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud> > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se> > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |> > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali> > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]> > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]> > > > > > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.> > > > > > > > Have a nice day,> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Varun ji;> > >> > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;> > >> > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma> > >> > > in this book also> > >> > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by> > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba> > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh> > tamba in lalkitab.> > >> > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste> > and taken as shay of mars.> > >> > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three> > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.> > >> > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have> > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.> > >> > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is> > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba> > >> > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in> > order to understand the significance of copper.> > >> > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.> > > regards> > >> > > Kulbir> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > >> > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur> > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina> > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba> > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.> > > >> > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.> > > >> > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya> > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana> > rah sakta hai.> > > >> > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend> > mein khalal dalta hai'> > > >> > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi> > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop> > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu> > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.> > > >> > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.> > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha> > mein kataksha na rahe.> > > >> > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;> > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par> > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.> > > >> > > > Aadar sahit,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Hemant Mohan> > <heartzthief54@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Varun Jee,> > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar> > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.> > > > > ?> > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf> > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?> > > > > ?> > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai> > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ> > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.> > > > > ?> > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan> > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,> > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji> > aadhi hain.> > > > > ?> > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein> > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye> > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor> > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh> > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf> > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana> > no 3 se bhee preshan hai yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin> > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye> > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya> > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to> > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap> > safai se door kar sakte hain.> > > > > ?> > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai> > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise> > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ> > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se> > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna> > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to mein> > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.> > > > > ?> > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > >> > > > > ?> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

 

 

maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne

kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut

achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo

proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi

karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi

aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya

tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki

unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar

discuss karke kisi

natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI

GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA

LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta

hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai

..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka

asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne

ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR

SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera

matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag

sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki

pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum

nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath

jaroor bantna

chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya

ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka

naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal

kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota

tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar

uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha

..sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG)

MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN

DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne

unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana

ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak

milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar

ne mujhe sunaye.is

liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua

hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi  neecha ya uncha

nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA

YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS

TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA

THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

Regards

Kunwar Vishal

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd

LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

 

Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

1952 urdu ed; page 1005

           grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

Sun : house # 11  ' surkh tamba'

Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

 

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Varun ji,

>

> That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

>

> but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

>

> 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda,

chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

>

> here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir

>

> , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> >

> >

> > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> > the image form of the shloks themselves.

>

>

> >

> >

> > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

> >

> > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

> >

> >

> >

> > Surya

> >

> >

> >

> > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

> >

> >

> >

> > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

> >

> >

> >

> > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

> >

> > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

> >

> > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

> >

> > rajyam = state

> >

> > cha = and

> >

> > rakta = red

> >

> > patah = cloth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars

> >

> >

> >

> > Shlok : 33 [relevant

line only]

> >

> >

> >

> > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

> >

> >

> >

> > raktam = blood

> >

> > tambra = copper

> >

> > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

> >

> > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

> >

> > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

> >

> > cha = and

> >

> > ta = that

> >

> > dik = direction

> >

> > priyah = loving

> >

> > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

> >

> >

> >

> > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> > copper is considered a karak of

Mars.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

> > says:

> >

> >

> >

> > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

> >

> >

> >

> > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

> > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> > tamba’

> >

> >

> >

> > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

> >

> >

> >

> > “ sooraj

ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

> >

> >

> >

> > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

> >

> >

> >

> > Have a nice day,

> >

> >

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Varun ji;

> > >

> > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

> > >

> > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

> > >

> > > in this book also

> > >

> > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> > tamba in lalkitab.

> > >

> > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> > and taken as

shay of mars.

> > >

> > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

> > >

> > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

> > >

> > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

> > >

> > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> > order to understand the significance of copper.

> > >

> > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

> > > >

> > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > > >

> > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> > rah sakta hai.

> > > >

> > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> > mein khalal dalta

hai'

> > > >

> > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

> > > >

> > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> > mein kataksha na rahe.

> > > >

> > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

> > > >

> > > > Aadar sahit,

> > > >

> > > > Varun

Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Hemant Mohan

> > <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > > > > ?

> > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > > > > ?

> > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > > ?

> > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> > aadhi hain.

> > > > > ?

> > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> > safai se door kar sakte hain.

> > > > > ?

> > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

mein

> > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > > > > ?

> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > >

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kulbir Jee,

Aapk amessage niche paste kar rahan hoon kripya yeh batayein ki issmein kahan yeh hai ki neend mein khalal paida hoga/ho raha hai ??

 

Chander lagan mein hone par neend mein khalal paida nahi hota hai, kindly consider point no.3 mandi halatDin Raat Dukhiya - Beaaraam ---- mangal bad, manda budh ya khanna no 8. manda.Neend mein khalal paida hona mere vichar se usse kaha jayega jab aapko neend aa gayee aur aap aadhi raat ko ya uth kar baith gaye aur uss ke baad neend nahi aa rahi.

 

Lekin jaisa aapne likha hai vaise to woh dukhiya hai ya beaaraam hai na ki neend mein khalal paida ho raha hai. Chander lagan wala jab aapki likhat anusar ho to raat ko/din ko bed/khaat par jaate hee preshan/beaaram ho jayaega. usse neend nahi ayegi/preshani mein ya maan mein vicharo ki uthal puthal se yehi to grahan jaisa nazara hai. issiliye yahan par SURAJ ko ball diya gaya hai kyonki pehla ghar hee Suraj ka hai.

 

MAHAJAN

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Vishal Jee,

Feedback ke liye dhanyawad.

Aapki mail se pata chalta hai ki aapko(ya aapke dost ko) finacial prblms bhee

hain to agar aap dhayan se Chander khana no 1 pade to koi dikkat nahi hogi ki

yeh problems bhee solve na ho . sabse pehle to yeh dekhe ki kya sirf Chander ke

hee bad effect mill rahe hain ya koi dusra planet bhee usko kharab kar raha hai.

Sehat ke liye chandi(pure silver/jisme milavat na ho) ka istemal tatha budh se

parhez(hare rang ki sabzi/kapde adi), tatha dhan/daulat parivar kee

barkat/badotari ke liye chandi ka thaal istemal karein tatha feedback avash

dein. Dhayan rahe ki chandi jo ho bilkul pure ho tabhi fayda hoga.

 

MAHAJAN

 

 

 

, vishalastrologer gandhi

<vishalastrologer wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

>

>

> maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne

kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut

achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo

proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi

karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi

aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya

tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki

unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar

discuss karke kisi

> natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI

GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA

LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta

hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai

..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka

asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne

ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR

SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera

matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag

sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki

pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum

nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath

jaroor bantna

> chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

> ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya

ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka

naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal

kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota

tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar

uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha

..sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG)

MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN

DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne

unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana

ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak

milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar

ne mujhe sunaye.is

> liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa

hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi  neecha ya

uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER

LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI

SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA

SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>  

> 1952 urdu ed; page 1005

>            grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

> Sun : house # 11  ' surkh tamba'

> Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

>  

> Regards,

> Varun Trivedi

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Varun ji,

> >

> > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

> >

> > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

> >

> > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda,

chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

> >

> > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> > > the image form of the shloks themselves.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

> > >

> > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Surya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

> > >

> > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

> > >

> > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

> > >

> > > rajyam = state

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > rakta = red

> > >

> > > patah = cloth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 33 [relevant

> line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam = blood

> > >

> > > tambra = copper

> > >

> > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

> > >

> > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

> > >

> > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > ta = that

> > >

> > > dik = direction

> > >

> > > priyah = loving

> > >

> > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> > > copper is considered a karak of

> Mars.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

> > > says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

> > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> > > tamba’

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > “ sooraj

> ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji;

> > > >

> > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

> > > >

> > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

> > > >

> > > > in this book also

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> > > tamba in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> > > and taken as

> shay of mars.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

> > > >

> > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

> > > >

> > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> > > order to understand the significance of copper.

> > > >

> > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> > > rah sakta hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> > > mein khalal dalta

> hai'

> > > > >

> > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> > > mein kataksha na rahe.

> > > > >

> > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadar sahit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun

> Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Hemant Mohan

> > > <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

> wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> > > aadhi hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

> yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> > > safai se door kar sakte hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

> mein

> > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Respected Vishal ji,

 

Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK

upaya.

 

I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very

effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night.

 

Thank you once again,

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, vishalastrologer gandhi

<vishalastrologer wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

>

>

> maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne

kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut

achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo

proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi

karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi

aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya

tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki

unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar

discuss karke kisi

> natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI

GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA

LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta

hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai

..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka

asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne

ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR

SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera

matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag

sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki

pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum

nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath

jaroor bantna

> chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

> ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya

ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka

naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal

kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota

tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar

uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha

..sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG)

MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN

DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne

unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana

ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak

milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar

ne mujhe sunaye.is

> liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa

hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi  neecha ya

uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER

LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI

SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA

SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>  

> 1952 urdu ed; page 1005

>            grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

> Sun : house # 11  ' surkh tamba'

> Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

>  

> Regards,

> Varun Trivedi

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Varun ji,

> >

> > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

> >

> > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

> >

> > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda,

chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

> >

> > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> > > the image form of the shloks themselves.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

> > >

> > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Surya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

> > >

> > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

> > >

> > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

> > >

> > > rajyam = state

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > rakta = red

> > >

> > > patah = cloth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 33 [relevant

> line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam = blood

> > >

> > > tambra = copper

> > >

> > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

> > >

> > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

> > >

> > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > ta = that

> > >

> > > dik = direction

> > >

> > > priyah = loving

> > >

> > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> > > copper is considered a karak of

> Mars.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

> > > says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

> > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> > > tamba’

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > “ sooraj

> ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji;

> > > >

> > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

> > > >

> > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

> > > >

> > > > in this book also

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> > > tamba in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> > > and taken as

> shay of mars.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

> > > >

> > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

> > > >

> > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> > > order to understand the significance of copper.

> > > >

> > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> > > rah sakta hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> > > mein khalal dalta

> hai'

> > > > >

> > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> > > mein kataksha na rahe.

> > > > >

> > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadar sahit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun

> Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Hemant Mohan

> > > <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

> wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> > > aadhi hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

> yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> > > safai se door kar sakte hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

> mein

> > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji,Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its development in recent time etc.).Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being being promoted by some professional astrologers.At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature of remedies or prediction methodologies used in ravan sanhita.regards,--Pradeep.--- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:varun_trvd

<varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM

 

 

Respected Vishal ji,

 

Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising LK upaya.

 

I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night.

 

Thank you once again,

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

>

>

> maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar discuss karke kisi

> natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai .un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath jaroor

bantna

> chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

> ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is

> liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi neecha ya uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> 1952 urdu ed; page 1005

> grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

> Sun : house # 11 ' surkh tamba'

> Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

>

> Regards,

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Varun ji,

> >

> > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

> >

> > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

> >

> > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

> >

> > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> > > the image form of the shloks themselves.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

> > >

> > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Surya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

> > >

> > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

> > >

> > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

> > >

> > > rajyam = state

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > rakta = red

> > >

> > > patah = cloth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shlok : 33 [relevant

> line only]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > raktam = blood

> > >

> > > tambra = copper

> > >

> > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

> > >

> > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

> > >

> > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

> > >

> > > cha = and

> > >

> > > ta = that

> > >

> > > dik = direction

> > >

> > > priyah = loving

> > >

> > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> > > copper is considered a karak of

> Mars.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

> > > says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

> > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> > > tamba’

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > “ sooraj

> ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji;

> > > >

> > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

> > > >

> > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

> > > >

> > > > in this book also

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> > > tamba in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> > > and taken as

> shay of mars.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

> > > >

> > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

> > > >

> > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> > > order to understand the significance of copper.

> > > >

> > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> > > rah sakta hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> > > mein khalal dalta

> hai'

> > > > >

> > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> > > mein kataksha na rahe.

> > > > >

> > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadar sahit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun

> Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Hemant Mohan

> > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

> wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> > > aadhi hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

> yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> > > safai se door kar sakte hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

> mein

> > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Respected Pradeep ji,

 

In the market I have seen a book being sold as Ravan Sanhita. I had gone through

a few pages of it at a book stall and I found it to be some spurious

publication.

 

At least the book being sold in the market can not be the genuine Ravan Sanhita.

 

There are no two opinions that Ravan was a great scholar of his times and was an

equally a great learned astrologer who could even command the planets to do his

biddings.

 

Therefore it is quite possible that some where there could be a genuine Ravan

Sanhita, if he had written any.

 

If a genuine Ravan Sanhita exists, then it would be in the hand written

manuscript form, copied from generation to generation by some family.

 

At least I have not heard that even such a manuscript exists.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep

wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji, Vishal ji,

>

>

> Could you please throw some light on ravan sanhita(it's reading list, its

development in recent time etc.).

>

> Whether we really have some genuine literature or it is just something being

being promoted by some professional astrologers.

> At some places on internet I even read that lal kitab is a derived product

from ravan sanhita. But could not get any supporting fact, and even the nature

of remedies or prediction methodologies used in ravan sanhita.

>

> regards,--Pradeep.

>

>

>

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:26 PM

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Respected Vishal ji,

>

>

>

> Thank you so much for sharing this information. Such feedbacks help devising

LK upaya.

>

>

>

> I believe that fixing copper nails on all the four bed-posts could be a very

effective upaya for a peaceful sleep at night.

>

>

>

> Thank you once again,

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

> , vishalastrologer gandhi

<vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:

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> >

>

> > Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne

kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut

achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo

proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi

karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi

aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya

tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki

unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar

discuss karke kisi

>

> > natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI

GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA

LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta

hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai

..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka

asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne

ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR

SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera

matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag

sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki

pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum

nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath

jaroor bantna

>

> > chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

>

> > ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone

bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me

the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke

upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt

hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par

..magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha

tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE

BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY

KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere

mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko

unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi

haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse

mere mittar ne mujhe sunaye.is

>

> > liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa

hua hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi  neecha ya

uncha nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER

LAGAN KA YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI

SAHI.JIS TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA

SAKTA THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

>

> > Regards

>

> > Kunwar Vishal

>

> >

>

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

>

> > LK discussion group Re: PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

>

> >

>

> > Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 10:49 PM

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> >

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> >  

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> >

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> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> >  

>

> > 1952 urdu ed; page 1005

>

> >            grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

>

> > Sun : house # 11  ' surkh tamba'

>

> > Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

>

> >  

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Varun Trivedi

>

> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >  

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> >

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> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ ...>

wrote:

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> > >

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> > >

>

> > > Varun ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

>

> > >

>

> > > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

>

> > >

>

> > > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan,

ghoda, chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

>

> > >

>

> > > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards

>

> > > Kulbir

>

> > >

>

> > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

wrote:

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> > > >

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> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

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> > > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

>

> > > > the image form of the shloks themselves.

>

> > >

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

>

> > > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

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> > > >

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> > > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Surya

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

>

> > > >

>

> > > > poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

>

> > > >

>

> > > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

>

> > > >

>

> > > > rajyam = state

>

> > > >

>

> > > > cha = and

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> > > >

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> > > > rakta = red

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> > > >

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> > > > patah = cloth

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Mars

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Shlok : 33 [relevant

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> > line only]

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > raktam = blood

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> > > >

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> > > > tambra = copper

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> > > >

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> > > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

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> > > >

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> > > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

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> > > >

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> > > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

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> > > >

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> > > > cha = and

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> > > >

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> > > > ta = that

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> > > >

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> > > > dik = direction

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> > > >

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> > > > priyah = loving

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> > > >

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> > > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

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> > > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

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> > > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

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> > > > copper is considered a karak of

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> > Mars.

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

>

> > > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

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> > > > says:

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

>

> > > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

>

> > > > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

>

> > > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

>

> > > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

>

> > > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

>

> > > > tamba’

>

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > “ sooraj

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> > ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

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> > > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

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> > > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

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> > > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

>

> > > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

>

> > > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

>

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Have a nice day,

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Varun Trivedi

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> > > >

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> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ >

>

> > > > wrote:

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > Varun ji;

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

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> > > > >

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> > > > > in this book also

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

>

> > > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

>

> > > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

>

> > > > tamba in lalkitab.

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

>

> > > > and taken as

>

> > shay of mars.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

>

> > > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

>

> > > > >

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> > > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

>

> > > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

>

> > > > written in lalkitab as surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

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> > > > >

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> > > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

>

> > > > order to understand the significance of copper.

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

>

> > > > > regards

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Kulbir

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > --- In

>

> > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

>

> > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

>

> > > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

>

> > > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

>

> > > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana gaya hai.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

>

> > > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

>

> > > > rah sakta hai.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

>

> > > > mein khalal dalta

>

> > hai'

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> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

>

> > > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

>

> > > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

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> > > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

>

> > > > bas itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

>

> > > > mein kataksha na rahe.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

>

> > > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

>

> > > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aadar sahit,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Varun

>

> > Trivedi

>

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > , Hemant Mohan

>

> > > > <heartzthief54@ > wrote:

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> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Varun Jee,

>

> > > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

>

> > > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

>

> > > > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

>

> > > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

>

> > > > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

>

> > > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

>

> > wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

>

> > > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

>

> > > > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

>

> > > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

>

> > > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

>

> > > > aadhi hain.

>

> > > > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

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> > > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

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> > > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

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> > > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

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> > > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

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> > > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

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> > > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

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> > yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

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> > > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

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> > > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

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> > > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

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> > > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

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> > > > safai se door kar sakte hain.

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> > > > > > > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

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> > > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

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> > > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

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> > > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

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> > > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

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> > > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

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> > > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

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