Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Varun Jee, Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai. Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9 (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake ki hum kahan khade hain. Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon. Dhanyawad MAHAJAN , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have> > some thing up your sleeve.> > such mein bahut sundar> > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar> > diya.> > Dhanyavaad sahit,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "heartzthief54"> heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> >> > LAL KITABEE JEE,> >> > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh> > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi> > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab zuban> > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab ki> > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein ho.Kyonki> > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta> > hoga.> >> > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish> > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne> > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat> > nahi.> >> > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh> Brahspati> > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya> > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se> matbhed> > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad paida> > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ?> >> > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa> > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai hai> > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan aa> > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee> > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee> totlapan> > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee ladki> > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko> > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda milne> ki> > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ?> >> > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne> > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai> jiska> > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar pa> > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ ho> > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh> > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee yeh> > lagoo hoga warna nahi.> >> > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh rahe> > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh> bhee> > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH> > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE)> >> >> >> > Aadar Sahit> >> > MAHAJAN> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "lalkitabee"> > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > >> > > Res Mahajan Ji> > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee. Iske> > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya hai> > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee> gehrayee> > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap> > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa vichar> > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye.> > > With Regards> > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > V.Shukla> > > Mb.9812020001> > > , "heartzthief54"> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Lal Kitabee Jee,> > > >> > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla> ho> > aur> > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua> > bhee> > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 bade> > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf zuban> > mein> > > > nukas tab kya ?> > > >> > > > MAHAJAN> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Simply superb !!> > > > >> > > > > Very convincing !!!> > > > >> > > > > I am sold to your view.> > > > >> > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the> articles> > to> > > > be> > > > > uploaded in the files.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "lalkitabee"> > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Res Varun Ji> > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA,> > JISKE> > > > > JAHIR> > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT> > HOGA.(MANDEY> > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN)> > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-> > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main> > Budh> > > > > hone> > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan> ki> > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba> > potey> > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe> > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13> > din> > > > 13> > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee> martabaa> > to> > > > > aisa> > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa> pehley> > hee> > > > > baba> > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey> > waley> > > > ka> > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA> > POTAA> > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.> > > > > >> > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman> > betaa> > > > > hee> > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main "paidayeesh main bhed> ka> > > > > > matalab" kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi> > bhejtaa,> > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka> > karak> > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka> > faydaa> > > > use> > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke> barabar> > > > hogi> > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke> > tevey> > > > main> > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee> paidayeesh> > main> > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa,> > kyonki> > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah> ashirwaad> > ya> > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.> > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru> ke> > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee> > degaa.Nateeztan> > > > ya> > > > > to> > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti> hai.> > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase.> > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic> > > > mercury> > > > > > in the 9th house?> > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this> > > > querry.> > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect> > parentage?> > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2> > > > > >> > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of> > this> > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a> > > > 'mannat'.> > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned.> Lekin> > > > tevey> > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke> > liye> > > > use> > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to> > mauka> > > > mil> > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka> > aur> > > > agar> > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa> > kisi na> > > > > > kisi tarah.> > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee> paidayeesh> > > > main> > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi "BHED" ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee> > munasib> > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai.> > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > Mb. 9812020001> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The first thing we should define :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a> malefic> > > > > mercury> > > > > > > in the 9th house?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect> > > > parentage?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of> > this> > > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a> > > > > 'mannat'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Could other members please share their views?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of> > malefic> > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "lalkitabee"> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of> khana> > no.> > > > 9> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho> > > > saktaa> > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad> se> > mili> > > > > > hoti> > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere> aisa> > > > kehne> > > > > ke> > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya> kisi> > > > murad> > > > > > se> > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke> > father ka> > > > > > ketu> > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah> > father> > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki> fariyaad> > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad> > hogi-> > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se> > > > amooman> > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > > > > > > practically> > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin> > logon ka> > > > > > budh> > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja> > sakti> > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh> > > > diyaa.Mere> > > > > > > hisaab> > > > > > > > se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki> sabhi> > khel> > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main> > guru ,> > > > > > > vahaan> > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke> ghar> > > > khana> > > > > 9> > > > > > > main> > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh> main> > > > ooper> > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So> > Budh> > > > is> > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , kulbir bance> > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to> > > > explain> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant> > to> > > > be.> > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I> > shall> > > > > > > hopefully> > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed> > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine> blessing.> > > > Some> > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth.> > Unexpected> > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected> sources.> > > > Birth> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the> > parents> > > > > > went> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child.> > The> > > > > > parents> > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child> was> > > > born.> > > > > I> > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another> > condition> > > > > > also.> > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir> karne> > > > mein> > > > > > uski> > > > > > > > apni> > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in> 9th> > > > house> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in> > his> > > > > birth> > > > > > > else> > > > > > > > > > not.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner> > > > condition> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9> will> > be> > > > > > > revealed> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic> and> > > > could> > > > > > > > deride> > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother.> > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky,> > wealthy,> > > > > > > > religious,> > > > > > > > > > and long life.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the> mathematical> > > > > > > calculation> > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final> house> > > > effect> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat> > > > > > (chamkadarh)> > > > > > > > gives> > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is> > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the> > more> > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > in this group.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of> > > > > jupiter,> > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was> > born.> > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury> > > > accepted> > > > > > him> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > student.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and> > guru)> > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > this possibilty.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning> also.> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also> star)> > is> > > > the> > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon)> > will> > > > > > occur> > > > > > > > (Tara> > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of> > knowledge> > > > will> > > > > > > occur> > > > > > > > ie> > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be> > very> > > > > good> > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be> > > > lacking.> > > > > > So> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a> > good> > > > > guru.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > 09214502239.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > "heartzthief54"> > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9> > wale> > > > ki> > > > > > > > paidaish> > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka> prayas> > > > > > > > karein.Bahut> > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dear members, My two cents : [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he is a ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only for the jatak but for the entire family. Therefore we should be very careful while handling such matters. [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would have used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very outspoken. [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce the result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result of an affliction to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with mercury in the 9th house. [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any illegitimate birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect, instead it is the mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to be ‘dushcharitra’. Therefore before pronouncing some one as an illegitimate, apart from other things, I would have a look at the Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in his chart. If it is a ‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th house will definitely come into play. [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the word ‘bhed’. The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses other possibilities also such as surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned sperm, and also possibly unexplained phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We can not ignore these possibilities of the manner of birth. On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > > Varun Jee, > > Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna > intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh > likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha > mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel > jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee > mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi > yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke > paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo > sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai. > > Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9 > (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra > aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi > kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake > ki hum kahan khade hain. > > Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon. > > Dhanyawad > > MAHAJAN > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have > > > > some thing up your sleeve. > > > > such mein bahut sundar > > > > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar > > > > diya. > > > > Dhanyavaad sahit, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > LAL KITABEE JEE, > > > > > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh > > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi > > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab > zuban > > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab > ki > > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein > ho.Kyonki > > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta > > > hoga. > > > > > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish > > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne > > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat > > > nahi. > > > > > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh > > Brahspati > > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya > > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se > > matbhed > > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad > paida > > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ? > > > > > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa > > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai > hai > > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan > aa > > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee > > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee > > totlapan > > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee > ladki > > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko > > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda > milne > > ki > > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ? > > > > > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne > > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai > > jiska > > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar > pa > > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ > ho > > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh > > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee > yeh > > > lagoo hoga warna nahi. > > > > > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh > rahe > > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh > > bhee > > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH > > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE) > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadar Sahit > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Res Mahajan Ji > > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee. > Iske > > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya > hai > > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee > > gehrayee > > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap > > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa > vichar > > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye. > > > > With Regards > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > > > V.Shukla > > > > Mb.9812020001 > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee, > > > > > > > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla > > ho > > > aur > > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua > > > bhee > > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 > bade > > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf > zuban > > > mein > > > > > nukas tab kya ? > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simply superb !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Very convincing !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sold to your view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the > > articles > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > uploaded in the files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Varun Ji > > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, > > > JISKE > > > > > > JAHIR > > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT > > > HOGA.(MANDEY > > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN) > > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 > main > > > Budh > > > > > > hone > > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise > insaan > > ki > > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba > > > potey > > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz > babe > > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke > 13 > > > din > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee > > martabaa > > > to > > > > > > aisa > > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa > > pehley > > > hee > > > > > > baba > > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas > tevey > > > waley > > > > > ka > > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA > GAYA > > > POTAA > > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi > amooman > > > betaa > > > > > > hee > > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main > bhed > > ka > > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi > > > bhejtaa, > > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti > ka > > > karak > > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka > > > faydaa > > > > > use > > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke > > barabar > > > > > hogi > > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke > > > tevey > > > > > main > > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee > > paidayeesh > > > main > > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh > saktaa, > > > kyonki > > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah > > ashirwaad > > > ya > > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko > Guru > > ke > > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee > > > degaa.Nateeztan > > > > > ya > > > > > > to > > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti > > hai. > > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this > phrase. > > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > malefic > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding > this > > > > > querry. > > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > > > parentage? > > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of > > > this > > > > > > 'bhed' > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > > > > > 'mannat'. > > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. > > Lekin > > > > > tevey > > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke > > > liye > > > > > use > > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to > > > mauka > > > > > mil > > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne > ka > > > aur > > > > > agar > > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa > > > kisi na > > > > > > > kisi tarah. > > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee > > paidayeesh > > > > > main > > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee > > > munasib > > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh > hai. > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001 > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day > parlance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > > malefic > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > > > > > parentage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative > of > > > this > > > > > > > 'bhed' > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to > a > > > > > > 'mannat'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of > > > malefic > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of > > khana > > > no. > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab > ho > > > > > saktaa > > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad > > se > > > mili > > > > > > > hoti > > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere > > aisa > > > > > kehne > > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya > > kisi > > > > > murad > > > > > > > se > > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke > > > father ka > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah > > > father > > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki > > fariyaad > > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad > > > hogi- > > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat > se > > > > > amooman > > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically > & > > > > > > > practically > > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin > > > logon ka > > > > > > > budh > > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee > ja > > > sakti > > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh > > > > > diyaa.Mere > > > > > > > > hisaab > > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki > > sabhi > > > khel > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 > main > > > guru , > > > > > > > > vahaan > > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke > > ghar > > > > > khana > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh > > main > > > > > ooper > > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. > So > > > Budh > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology > to > > > > > explain > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is > meant > > > to > > > > > be. > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I > > > shall > > > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right > bhed > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine > > blessing. > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. > > > Unexpected > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected > > sources. > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the > > > parents > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male > child. > > > The > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child > > was > > > > > born. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another > > > condition > > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir > > karne > > > > > mein > > > > > > > uski > > > > > > > > > apni > > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in > > 9th > > > > > house > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt > in > > > his > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner > > > > > condition > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 > > will > > > be > > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic > > and > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > deride > > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, > > > wealthy, > > > > > > > > > religious, > > > > > > > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the > > mathematical > > > > > > > > calculation > > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final > > house > > > > > effect > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a > bat > > > > > > > (chamkadarh) > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the > > > more > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son > of > > > > > > jupiter, > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was > > > born. > > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father > and > > > guru) > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also > > star) > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind > (moon) > > > will > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > > (Tara > > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of > > > knowledge > > > > > will > > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > > ie > > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will > be > > > very > > > > > > good > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will > be > > > > > lacking. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become > a > > > good > > > > > > guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no > 9 > > > wale > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > paidaish > > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka > > prayas > > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut > > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Bhushan Priya Jee, Namaskar, Aap iss baat ki chinta na karei(balki koi na karei)ki jab bhee aisa jatak aayega to uss ko uski paidaish ka bhed bataya jayega, aisa nalayak yahan par koi nahi. Aap ke vichar ya sujhao hum logo ka hausla badate hain, iss liye kripya apne vichar samay samay par rakhte raha karein. DHANYAWAD MAHAJAN. , " " < wrote: > > Dear members, > > My two cents : > > [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he is a ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only for the jatak but for the entire family. Therefore we should be very careful while handling such matters. > > [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would have used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very outspoken. > > [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce the result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result of an affliction to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with mercury in the 9th house. > > [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any illegitimate birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect, instead it is the mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to be ‘dushcharitra’. Therefore before pronouncing some one as an illegitimate, apart from other things, I would have a look at the Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in his chart. If it is a ‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th house will definitely come into play. > > [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the word ‘bhed’. The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses other possibilities also such as surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned sperm, and also possibly unexplained phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We can not ignore these possibilities of the manner of birth. > > On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna > > intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh > > likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha > > mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel > > jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee > > mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi > > yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke > > paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo > > sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai. > > > > Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9 > > (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra > > aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi > > kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake > > ki hum kahan khade hain. > > > > Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon. > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have > > > > > > some thing up your sleeve. > > > > > > such mein bahut sundar > > > > > > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar > > > > > > diya. > > > > > > Dhanyavaad sahit, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > LAL KITABEE JEE, > > > > > > > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh > > > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi > > > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab > > zuban > > > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab > > ki > > > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein > > ho.Kyonki > > > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta > > > > hoga. > > > > > > > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish > > > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne > > > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat > > > > nahi. > > > > > > > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh > > > Brahspati > > > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya > > > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se > > > matbhed > > > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad > > paida > > > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ? > > > > > > > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa > > > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai > > hai > > > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan > > aa > > > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee > > > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee > > > totlapan > > > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee > > ladki > > > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko > > > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda > > milne > > > ki > > > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ? > > > > > > > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne > > > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai > > > jiska > > > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar > > pa > > > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ > > ho > > > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh > > > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee > > yeh > > > > lagoo hoga warna nahi. > > > > > > > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh > > rahe > > > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh > > > bhee > > > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH > > > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadar Sahit > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Res Mahajan Ji > > > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee. > > Iske > > > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya > > hai > > > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee > > > gehrayee > > > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap > > > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa > > vichar > > > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye. > > > > > With Regards > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > Mb.9812020001 > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla > > > ho > > > > aur > > > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua > > > > bhee > > > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 > > bade > > > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf > > zuban > > > > mein > > > > > > nukas tab kya ? > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simply superb !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very convincing !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sold to your view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the > > > articles > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > uploaded in the files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Varun Ji > > > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, > > > > JISKE > > > > > > > JAHIR > > > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT > > > > HOGA.(MANDEY > > > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN) > > > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > > > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 > > main > > > > Budh > > > > > > > hone > > > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise > > insaan > > > ki > > > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba > > > > potey > > > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz > > babe > > > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke > > 13 > > > > din > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee > > > martabaa > > > > to > > > > > > > aisa > > > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa > > > pehley > > > > hee > > > > > > > baba > > > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas > > tevey > > > > waley > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA > > GAYA > > > > POTAA > > > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi > > amooman > > > > betaa > > > > > > > hee > > > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main > > bhed > > > ka > > > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi > > > > bhejtaa, > > > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti > > ka > > > > karak > > > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka > > > > faydaa > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke > > > barabar > > > > > > hogi > > > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke > > > > tevey > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee > > > paidayeesh > > > > main > > > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh > > saktaa, > > > > kyonki > > > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah > > > ashirwaad > > > > ya > > > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > > > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko > > Guru > > > ke > > > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee > > > > degaa.Nateeztan > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti > > > hai. > > > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this > > phrase. > > > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > > malefic > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding > > this > > > > > > querry. > > > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > > > > parentage? > > > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of > > > > this > > > > > > > 'bhed' > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > > > > > > 'mannat'. > > > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. > > > Lekin > > > > > > tevey > > > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke > > > > liye > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to > > > > mauka > > > > > > mil > > > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne > > ka > > > > aur > > > > > > agar > > > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa > > > > kisi na > > > > > > > > kisi tarah. > > > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee > > > paidayeesh > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee > > > > munasib > > > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh > > hai. > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001 > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day > > parlance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > > > malefic > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > > > > > > parentage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative > > of > > > > this > > > > > > > > 'bhed' > > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to > > a > > > > > > > 'mannat'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of > > > khana > > > > no. > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab > > ho > > > > > > saktaa > > > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad > > > se > > > > mili > > > > > > > > hoti > > > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere > > > aisa > > > > > > kehne > > > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya > > > kisi > > > > > > murad > > > > > > > > se > > > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke > > > > father ka > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki > > > fariyaad > > > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad > > > > hogi- > > > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat > > se > > > > > > amooman > > > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically > > & > > > > > > > > practically > > > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin > > > > logon ka > > > > > > > > budh > > > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee > > ja > > > > sakti > > > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh > > > > > > diyaa.Mere > > > > > > > > > hisaab > > > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki > > > sabhi > > > > khel > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 > > main > > > > guru , > > > > > > > > > vahaan > > > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke > > > ghar > > > > > > khana > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh > > > main > > > > > > ooper > > > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. > > So > > > > Budh > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology > > to > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is > > meant > > > > to > > > > > > be. > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right > > bhed > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine > > > blessing. > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. > > > > Unexpected > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected > > > sources. > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the > > > > parents > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male > > child. > > > > The > > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child > > > was > > > > > > born. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another > > > > condition > > > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir > > > karne > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > uski > > > > > > > > > > apni > > > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in > > > 9th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner > > > > > > condition > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic > > > and > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > deride > > > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, > > > > wealthy, > > > > > > > > > > religious, > > > > > > > > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the > > > mathematical > > > > > > > > > calculation > > > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final > > > house > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a > > bat > > > > > > > > (chamkadarh) > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the > > > > more > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son > > of > > > > > > > jupiter, > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was > > > > born. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father > > and > > > > guru) > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also > > > star) > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind > > (moon) > > > > will > > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > > > (Tara > > > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of > > > > knowledge > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > > > ie > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will > > be > > > > very > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will > > be > > > > > > lacking. > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no > > 9 > > > > wale > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > > paidaish > > > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka > > > prayas > > > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut > > > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Respected guru ji, i want to ask one thing more. Jupiter denotes both father and grandfather. But here in house no 9 bazurg seems to be grandfather. What has grandfather to do with illegitimacy of grandson. Had it been khanna no.5. Father would have preferance but i doubt it in house no 9. Pratha of niyog was there since ages and your 2 cents overrules all doubts. Ultimately it is mother who is responsible for such an act. Shukla ji's explanation is best so far. Only one thing that we can do further to confirm or discard his point by verification of kundalis. Given the status of women and mark her immoral only because her child has budh in 9 can play havoc for families. Regards. Kulbir. On 3/26/09, < wrote: > Dear members, > > My two cents : > > [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he is a > ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only for the jatak but > for the entire family. Therefore we should be very careful while handling > such matters. > > [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would have > used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very outspoken. > > [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce the > result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result of an affliction > to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with mercury in the 9th > house. > > [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any illegitimate > birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect, instead it is the > mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to be ‘dushcharitra’. > Therefore before pronouncing some one as an illegitimate, apart from other > things, I would have a look at the Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in > his chart. If it is a ‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th > house will definitely come into play. > > [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the word ‘bhed’. > The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses other possibilities also such as > surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned sperm, and also possibly unexplained > phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We can not ignore these possibilities of the > manner of birth. > > On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > <heartzthief54 wrote: >> >> >> Varun Jee, >> >> Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna >> intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh >> likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha >> mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel >> jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee >> mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi >> yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke >> paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo >> sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai. >> >> Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9 >> (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra >> aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi >> kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake >> ki hum kahan khade hain. >> >> Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon. >> >> Dhanyawad >> >> MAHAJAN >> >> >> , " varun_trvd " >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, >> > >> > >> > >> > Right from the beginning I knew that you have >> > >> > some thing up your sleeve. >> > >> > such mein bahut sundar >> > >> > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar >> > >> > diya. >> > >> > Dhanyavaad sahit, >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > LAL KITABEE JEE, >> > > >> > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh >> > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi >> > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab >> zuban >> > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab >> ki >> > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein >> ho.Kyonki >> > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta >> > > hoga. >> > > >> > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish >> > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne >> > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat >> > > nahi. >> > > >> > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh >> > Brahspati >> > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya >> > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se >> > matbhed >> > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad >> paida >> > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ? >> > > >> > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa >> > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai >> hai >> > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan >> aa >> > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee >> > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee >> > totlapan >> > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee >> ladki >> > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko >> > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda >> milne >> > ki >> > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ? >> > > >> > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne >> > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai >> > jiska >> > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar >> pa >> > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ >> ho >> > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh >> > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee >> yeh >> > > lagoo hoga warna nahi. >> > > >> > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh >> rahe >> > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh >> > bhee >> > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH >> > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Aadar Sahit >> > > >> > > MAHAJAN >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , " lalkitabee " >> > > lalkitabee@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Res Mahajan Ji >> > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee. >> Iske >> > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya >> hai >> > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee >> > gehrayee >> > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap >> > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa >> vichar >> > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye. >> > > > With Regards >> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee >> > > > V.Shukla >> > > > Mb.9812020001 >> > > > , " heartzthief54 " >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee, >> > > > > >> > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla >> > ho >> > > aur >> > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua >> > > bhee >> > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 >> bade >> > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf >> zuban >> > > mein >> > > > > nukas tab kya ? >> > > > > >> > > > > MAHAJAN >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > , " varun_trvd " >> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Simply superb !! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Very convincing !!! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I am sold to your view. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the >> > articles >> > > to >> > > > > be >> > > > > > uploaded in the files. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > With respect and regards, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > , " lalkitabee " >> > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Res Varun Ji >> > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, >> > > JISKE >> > > > > > JAHIR >> > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT >> > > HOGA.(MANDEY >> > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN) >> > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- >> > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. >> > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 >> main >> > > Budh >> > > > > > hone >> > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise >> insaan >> > ki >> > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba >> > > potey >> > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz >> babe >> > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke >> 13 >> > > din >> > > > > 13 >> > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee >> > martabaa >> > > to >> > > > > > aisa >> > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa >> > pehley >> > > hee >> > > > > > baba >> > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas >> tevey >> > > waley >> > > > > ka >> > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA >> GAYA >> > > POTAA >> > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? >> > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi >> amooman >> > > betaa >> > > > > > hee >> > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main >> bhed >> > ka >> > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi >> > > bhejtaa, >> > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti >> ka >> > > karak >> > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka >> > > faydaa >> > > > > use >> > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke >> > barabar >> > > > > hogi >> > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke >> > > tevey >> > > > > main >> > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee >> > paidayeesh >> > > main >> > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh >> saktaa, >> > > kyonki >> > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah >> > ashirwaad >> > > ya >> > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. >> > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko >> Guru >> > ke >> > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee >> > > degaa.Nateeztan >> > > > > ya >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti >> > hai. >> > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this >> phrase. >> > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a >> malefic >> > > > > mercury >> > > > > > > in the 9th house? >> > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding >> this >> > > > > querry. >> > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect >> > > parentage? >> > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of >> > > this >> > > > > > 'bhed' >> > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a >> > > > > 'mannat'. >> > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. >> > Lekin >> > > > > tevey >> > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke >> > > liye >> > > > > use >> > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to >> > > mauka >> > > > > mil >> > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne >> ka >> > > aur >> > > > > agar >> > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa >> > > kisi na >> > > > > > > kisi tarah. >> > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee >> > paidayeesh >> > > > > main >> > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee >> > > munasib >> > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh >> hai. >> > > > > > > With Regards >> > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee >> > > > > > > V.Shukla >> > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001 >> > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " >> > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The first thing we should define : >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day >> parlance? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a >> > malefic >> > > > > > mercury >> > > > > > > > in the 9th house? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect >> > > > > parentage? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative >> of >> > > this >> > > > > > > 'bhed' >> > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to >> a >> > > > > > 'mannat'. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of >> > > malefic >> > > > > > > mercury >> > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With respect and regards, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " >> > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of >> > khana >> > > no. >> > > > > 9 >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. >> > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab >> ho >> > > > > saktaa >> > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad >> > se >> > > mili >> > > > > > > hoti >> > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere >> > aisa >> > > > > kehne >> > > > > > ke >> > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik >> > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya >> > kisi >> > > > > murad >> > > > > > > se >> > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke >> > > father ka >> > > > > > > ketu >> > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah >> > > father >> > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki >> > fariyaad >> > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad >> > > hogi- >> > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat >> se >> > > > > amooman >> > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically >> & >> > > > > > > practically >> > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin >> > > logon ka >> > > > > > > budh >> > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee >> ja >> > > sakti >> > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh >> > > > > diyaa.Mere >> > > > > > > > hisaab >> > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki >> > sabhi >> > > khel >> > > > > > > Guru >> > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 >> main >> > > guru , >> > > > > > > > vahaan >> > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke >> > ghar >> > > > > khana >> > > > > > 9 >> > > > > > > > main >> > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh >> > main >> > > > > ooper >> > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. >> > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. >> So >> > > Budh >> > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With Regards >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > V.Shukla >> > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001 >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance >> > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology >> to >> > > > > explain >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is >> meant >> > > to >> > > > > be. >> > > > > > > > There >> > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I >> > > shall >> > > > > > > > hopefully >> > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right >> bhed >> > > > > doesn't >> > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine >> > blessing. >> > > > > Some >> > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. >> > > Unexpected >> > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected >> > sources. >> > > > > Birth >> > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the >> > > parents >> > > > > > > went >> > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male >> child. >> > > The >> > > > > > > parents >> > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child >> > was >> > > > > born. >> > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another >> > > condition >> > > > > > > also. >> > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir >> > karne >> > > > > mein >> > > > > > > uski >> > > > > > > > > apni >> > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in >> > 9th >> > > > > house >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > also >> > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt >> in >> > > his >> > > > > > birth >> > > > > > > > else >> > > > > > > > > > > not. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner >> > > > > condition >> > > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 >> > will >> > > be >> > > > > > > > revealed >> > > > > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. >> > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic >> > and >> > > > > could >> > > > > > > > > deride >> > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother. >> > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, >> > > wealthy, >> > > > > > > > > religious, >> > > > > > > > > > > and long life. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * >> > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the >> > mathematical >> > > > > > > > calculation >> > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. >> > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final >> > house >> > > > > effect >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a >> bat >> > > > > > > (chamkadarh) >> > > > > > > > > gives >> > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is >> > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. >> > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the >> > > more >> > > > > > > learned >> > > > > > > > > person >> > > > > > > > > > > in this group. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * * >> > > > > > > > > > > * >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son >> of >> > > > > > jupiter, >> > > > > > > > moon >> > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was >> > > born. >> > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury >> > > > > accepted >> > > > > > > him >> > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > student. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father >> and >> > > guru) >> > > > > > > > > indicate >> > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning >> > also. >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also >> > star) >> > > is >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > power >> > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind >> (moon) >> > > will >> > > > > > > occur >> > > > > > > > > (Tara >> > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of >> > > knowledge >> > > > > will >> > > > > > > > occur >> > > > > > > > > ie >> > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will >> be >> > > very >> > > > > > good >> > > > > > > at >> > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will >> be >> > > > > lacking. >> > > > > > > So >> > > > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become >> a >> > > good >> > > > > > guru. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, >> > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, >> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel >> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur >> > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , >> > > " heartzthief54 " >> > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no >> 9 >> > > wale >> > > > > ki >> > > > > > > > > paidaish >> > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka >> > prayas >> > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut >> > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, You are right. The 10th house is associated with father as ' sukh pita ko ya use hove " .... " umra pita ki " etc. Even otherwise it is 7th from the 4th [ mother] The 9th house is associated with " buzurgi " God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected guru ji, > > > i want to ask one thing more. Jupiter denotes both > father and grandfather. But here in house no 9 bazurg seems to be > grandfather. What has grandfather to do with illegitimacy of grandson. > Had it been khanna no.5. Father would have preferance but i doubt it > in house no 9. Pratha of niyog was there since ages > > and your 2 cents overrules all doubts. > > > Ultimately it is mother who is responsible for such an act. > > Shukla ji's explanation is best so far. Only one thing > that we can do further to confirm or discard his point by verification of kundalis. > > Given the status of women and mark her immoral only > because her child has budh in 9 can play havoc for families. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > On 3/26/09, < wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > My two cents : > > > > [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he is a > > ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only for the jatak but > > for the entire family. Therefore we should be very careful while handling > > such matters. > > > > [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would have > > used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very outspoken. > > > > [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce the > > result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result of an affliction > > to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with mercury in the 9th > > house. > > > > [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any illegitimate > > birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect, instead it is the > > mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to be ‘dushcharitra’. > > Therefore before pronouncing some one as an illegitimate, apart from other > > things, I would have a look at the Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in > > his chart. If it is a ‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th > > house will definitely come into play. > > > > [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the word ‘bhed’. > > The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses other possibilities also such as > > surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned sperm, and also possibly unexplained > > phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We can not ignore these possibilities of the > > manner of birth. > > > > On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion. > > > > God bless you, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > <heartzthief54@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Varun Jee, > >> > >> Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna > >> intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh > >> likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha > >> mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel > >> jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee > >> mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi > >> yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke > >> paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo > >> sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai. > >> > >> Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9 > >> (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra > >> aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi > >> kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake > >> ki hum kahan khade hain. > >> > >> Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon. > >> > >> Dhanyawad > >> > >> MAHAJAN > >> > >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Right from the beginning I knew that you have > >> > > >> > some thing up your sleeve. > >> > > >> > such mein bahut sundar > >> > > >> > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar > >> > > >> > diya. > >> > > >> > Dhanyavaad sahit, > >> > > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > LAL KITABEE JEE, > >> > > > >> > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh > >> > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi > >> > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab > >> zuban > >> > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab > >> ki > >> > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein > >> ho.Kyonki > >> > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta > >> > > hoga. > >> > > > >> > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish > >> > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne > >> > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat > >> > > nahi. > >> > > > >> > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh > >> > Brahspati > >> > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya > >> > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se > >> > matbhed > >> > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad > >> paida > >> > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ? > >> > > > >> > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa > >> > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai > >> hai > >> > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan > >> aa > >> > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee > >> > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee > >> > totlapan > >> > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee > >> ladki > >> > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko > >> > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda > >> milne > >> > ki > >> > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ? > >> > > > >> > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne > >> > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai > >> > jiska > >> > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar > >> pa > >> > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ > >> ho > >> > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh > >> > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee > >> yeh > >> > > lagoo hoga warna nahi. > >> > > > >> > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh > >> rahe > >> > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh > >> > bhee > >> > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH > >> > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Aadar Sahit > >> > > > >> > > MAHAJAN > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , " lalkitabee " > >> > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Res Mahajan Ji > >> > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee. > >> Iske > >> > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya > >> hai > >> > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee > >> > gehrayee > >> > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap > >> > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa > >> vichar > >> > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye. > >> > > > With Regards > >> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > >> > > > V.Shukla > >> > > > Mb.9812020001 > >> > > > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla > >> > ho > >> > > aur > >> > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua > >> > > bhee > >> > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 > >> bade > >> > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf > >> zuban > >> > > mein > >> > > > > nukas tab kya ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > MAHAJAN > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > , " varun_trvd " > >> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Simply superb !! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Very convincing !!! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am sold to your view. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the > >> > articles > >> > > to > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > > uploaded in the files. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > With respect and regards, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > >> > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Res Varun Ji > >> > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, > >> > > JISKE > >> > > > > > JAHIR > >> > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT > >> > > HOGA.(MANDEY > >> > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN) > >> > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > >> > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > >> > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 > >> main > >> > > Budh > >> > > > > > hone > >> > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise > >> insaan > >> > ki > >> > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba > >> > > potey > >> > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz > >> babe > >> > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke > >> 13 > >> > > din > >> > > > > 13 > >> > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee > >> > martabaa > >> > > to > >> > > > > > aisa > >> > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa > >> > pehley > >> > > hee > >> > > > > > baba > >> > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas > >> tevey > >> > > waley > >> > > > > ka > >> > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA > >> GAYA > >> > > POTAA > >> > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > >> > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi > >> amooman > >> > > betaa > >> > > > > > hee > >> > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main > >> bhed > >> > ka > >> > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi > >> > > bhejtaa, > >> > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti > >> ka > >> > > karak > >> > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka > >> > > faydaa > >> > > > > use > >> > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke > >> > barabar > >> > > > > hogi > >> > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke > >> > > tevey > >> > > > > main > >> > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee > >> > paidayeesh > >> > > main > >> > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh > >> saktaa, > >> > > kyonki > >> > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah > >> > ashirwaad > >> > > ya > >> > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > >> > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko > >> Guru > >> > ke > >> > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee > >> > > degaa.Nateeztan > >> > > > > ya > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti > >> > hai. > >> > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this > >> phrase. > >> > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > >> malefic > >> > > > > mercury > >> > > > > > > in the 9th house? > >> > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding > >> this > >> > > > > querry. > >> > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > >> > > parentage? > >> > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of > >> > > this > >> > > > > > 'bhed' > >> > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > >> > > > > 'mannat'. > >> > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. > >> > Lekin > >> > > > > tevey > >> > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke > >> > > liye > >> > > > > use > >> > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to > >> > > mauka > >> > > > > mil > >> > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne > >> ka > >> > > aur > >> > > > > agar > >> > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa > >> > > kisi na > >> > > > > > > kisi tarah. > >> > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee > >> > paidayeesh > >> > > > > main > >> > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee > >> > > munasib > >> > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh > >> hai. > >> > > > > > > With Regards > >> > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > >> > > > > > > V.Shukla > >> > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001 > >> > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > >> > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day > >> parlance? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a > >> > malefic > >> > > > > > mercury > >> > > > > > > > in the 9th house? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect > >> > > > > parentage? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative > >> of > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > 'bhed' > >> > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to > >> a > >> > > > > > 'mannat'. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of > >> > > malefic > >> > > > > > > mercury > >> > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > >> > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of > >> > khana > >> > > no. > >> > > > > 9 > >> > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > >> > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab > >> ho > >> > > > > saktaa > >> > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad > >> > se > >> > > mili > >> > > > > > > hoti > >> > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere > >> > aisa > >> > > > > kehne > >> > > > > > ke > >> > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > >> > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya > >> > kisi > >> > > > > murad > >> > > > > > > se > >> > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke > >> > > father ka > >> > > > > > > ketu > >> > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah > >> > > father > >> > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki > >> > fariyaad > >> > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad > >> > > hogi- > >> > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat > >> se > >> > > > > amooman > >> > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically > >> & > >> > > > > > > practically > >> > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin > >> > > logon ka > >> > > > > > > budh > >> > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee > >> ja > >> > > sakti > >> > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh > >> > > > > diyaa.Mere > >> > > > > > > > hisaab > >> > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki > >> > sabhi > >> > > khel > >> > > > > > > Guru > >> > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 > >> main > >> > > guru , > >> > > > > > > > vahaan > >> > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke > >> > ghar > >> > > > > khana > >> > > > > > 9 > >> > > > > > > > main > >> > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh > >> > main > >> > > > > ooper > >> > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > >> > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. > >> So > >> > > Budh > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With Regards > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > >> > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > >> > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology > >> to > >> > > > > explain > >> > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is > >> meant > >> > > to > >> > > > > be. > >> > > > > > > > There > >> > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I > >> > > shall > >> > > > > > > > hopefully > >> > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right > >> bhed > >> > > > > doesn't > >> > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine > >> > blessing. > >> > > > > Some > >> > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. > >> > > Unexpected > >> > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected > >> > sources. > >> > > > > Birth > >> > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the > >> > > parents > >> > > > > > > went > >> > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male > >> child. > >> > > The > >> > > > > > > parents > >> > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child > >> > was > >> > > > > born. > >> > > > > > I > >> > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another > >> > > condition > >> > > > > > > also. > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir > >> > karne > >> > > > > mein > >> > > > > > > uski > >> > > > > > > > > apni > >> > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in > >> > 9th > >> > > > > house > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > also > >> > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt > >> in > >> > > his > >> > > > > > birth > >> > > > > > > > else > >> > > > > > > > > > > not. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner > >> > > > > condition > >> > > > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 > >> > will > >> > > be > >> > > > > > > > revealed > >> > > > > > > > > by > >> > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > >> > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic > >> > and > >> > > > > could > >> > > > > > > > > deride > >> > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, > >> > > wealthy, > >> > > > > > > > > religious, > >> > > > > > > > > > > and long life. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * > >> > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the > >> > mathematical > >> > > > > > > > calculation > >> > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > >> > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final > >> > house > >> > > > > effect > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a > >> bat > >> > > > > > > (chamkadarh) > >> > > > > > > > > gives > >> > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the > >> > > more > >> > > > > > > learned > >> > > > > > > > > person > >> > > > > > > > > > > in this group. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * * > >> > > > > > > > > > > * > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son > >> of > >> > > > > > jupiter, > >> > > > > > > > moon > >> > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was > >> > > born. > >> > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury > >> > > > > accepted > >> > > > > > > him > >> > > > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > student. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father > >> and > >> > > guru) > >> > > > > > > > > indicate > >> > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning > >> > also. > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also > >> > star) > >> > > is > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > power > >> > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind > >> (moon) > >> > > will > >> > > > > > > occur > >> > > > > > > > > (Tara > >> > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of > >> > > knowledge > >> > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > occur > >> > > > > > > > > ie > >> > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will > >> be > >> > > very > >> > > > > > good > >> > > > > > > at > >> > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will > >> be > >> > > > > lacking. > >> > > > > > > So > >> > > > > > > > by > >> > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become > >> a > >> > > good > >> > > > > > guru. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur > >> > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , > >> > > " heartzthief54 " > >> > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no > >> 9 > >> > > wale > >> > > > > ki > >> > > > > > > > > paidaish > >> > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka > >> > prayas > >> > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut > >> > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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