BUDH KHANA NO 9 Kulbir Ji & Varun Ji

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Res Kulbir Ji & Varun JiIn that line of page no.372 of 1942 the exact word is - aurat ke pet ka bacha phir wahi ladki hogi jo Budh gina hai. I think there is misprint in Arun Sanhita . Kulbir ji it isnt "Gunah". It is "Gina Hai" means -has been counted or accepted.With RegardsV.shuklaMb.9812020001 , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > Initially I had taken the word ' bhed ' to mean in a derogatory sense. > > But then you translated it to mean 'rahasya'. I think the best possible Hindi equivalent to the word 'bhed' would be 'rahasya'.> > I also agree with Shri Shukla ji when he says that the 'rahasya' can menifest in all shapes. It can be a 'chamatkar'; it can be an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat', or even it can be some thing 'unexplained'.> > And that is why I had to say it so very loudly that I am sold on the view Shukla ji holds.> > As for your quote from the 1942 book, it is page 372 of the original. Although the context is the timing of disease, but it does explain the relationship of Jupiter vis-a-vis mercury [ one of its enemy]. The context once again is the progeny.> > Have a nice day,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > , kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Varun ji, > > > > 1942 arun samhita page 414 line 12-13 " jhagde ka sabab> > aurat ke pet ka bacha phir wahi ladki hogi jo GUNAH hai." relation of> > budh and guru is being considered here. If the word is gunah in the> > original version then enmical relation or as shukla ji says guru ke> > ghar me budh ki sendh seems appropriate. But there is not slightest> > hint of doubtful parentage. If gunah doesn't mean bastardness then we> > have no choice but to accept shukla ji's version. If gunah exempts> > bastardness then to say that bhed includes it sounds a little> > excessive. It should surely be put in the files section.> > > > Regards.> > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > On 3/25/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > Simply superb !!> > >> > > Very convincing !!!> > >> > > I am sold to your view.> > >> > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the articles to be> > > uploaded in the files.> > >> > >> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "lalkitabee"> > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > >>> > >> Res Varun Ji> > >> There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE> > > JAHIR> > >> KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY> > >> MAAYNO MAIN)> > >> Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-> > >> Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > >> Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh> > > hone> > >> par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki> > >> paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey> > >> (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe> > >> (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13> > >> maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to> > > aisa> > >> bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee> > > baba> > >> ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka> > >> janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA> > >> AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.> > >>> > >> Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > >> Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa> > > hee> > >> hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main "paidayeesh main bhed ka> > >> matalab" kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa,> > >> kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak> > >> Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use> > >> milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi> > >> jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main> > >> budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main> > >> kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki> > >> budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya> > >> mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.> > >> Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke> > >> makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya> > > to> > >> baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai.> > >> Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase.> > >> Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury> > >> in the 9th house?> > >> Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry.> > >> Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?> > >> Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2> > >>> > >> Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this> > > 'bhed'> > >> should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'.> > >> Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey> > >> wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use> > >> Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil> > >> gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar> > >> usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na> > >> kisi tarah.> > >> Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main> > >> kuchh anokhi baat hogi "BHED" ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib> > >> hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai.> > >> With Regards> > >> Pt. Lalkitabee> > >> V.Shukla> > >> Mb. 9812020001> > >> , "varun_trvd"> > >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > >> >> > >> > The first thing we should define :> > >> >> > >> > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > >> >> > >> > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > >> >> > >> > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic> > > mercury> > >> > in the 9th house?> > >> >> > >> > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?> > >> >> > >> > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this> > >> 'bhed'> > >> > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a> > > 'mannat'.> > >> >> > >> > Could other members please share their views?> > >> >> > >> > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic> > >> mercury> > >> > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> > >> >> > >> > With respect and regards,> > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > , "lalkitabee"> > >> > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9> > >> this> > >> > > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > >> > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa> > >> > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili> > >> hoti> > >> > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne> > > ke> > >> > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> > >> > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad> > >> se> > >> > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka> > >> ketu> > >> > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father> > >> > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad> > >> > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi-> > >> > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman> > >> > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > > >> practically> > >> > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka> > >> budh> > >> > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti> > >> > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere> > >> > hisaab> > >> > > se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel> > >> Guru> > >> > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru ,> > >> > vahaan> > >> > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana> > > 9> > >> > main> > >> > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper> > >> > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> > >> > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is> > >> > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > >> > >> > >> > > With Regards> > >> > >> > >> > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > >> > >> > >> > > V.Shukla> > >> > > Mb. 09812020001> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , kulbir bance> > >> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain> > >> this> > >> > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be.> > >> > There> > >> > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall> > >> > hopefully> > >> > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't> > >> > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some> > >> > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected> > >> > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth> > >> of> > >> > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents> > >> went> > >> > in> > >> > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The> > >> parents> > >> > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born.> > > I> > >> > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition> > >> also.> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > >> > > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > The complete line is as under :> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein> > >> uski> > >> > > apni> > >> > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house> > >> and> > >> > > also> > >> > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his> > > birth> > >> > else> > >> > > > > not.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition> > >> > will> > >> > > be> > >> > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be> > >> > revealed> > >> > > by> > >> > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > >> > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could> > >> > > deride> > >> > > > > father's relation with mother.> > >> > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy,> > >> > > religious,> > >> > > > > and long life.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > *> > >> > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical> > >> > calculation> > >> > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > >> > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect> > >> and> > >> > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > *> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat> > >> (chamkadarh)> > >> > > gives> > >> > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > The best remedies suggested is> > >> > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > >> > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more> > >> learned> > >> > > person> > >> > > > > in this group.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > * *> > >> > > > > *> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of> > > jupiter,> > >> > moon> > >> > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born.> > >> > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted> > >> him> > >> > as> > >> > > the> > >> > > > > student.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru)> > >> > > indicate> > >> > > > > this possibilty.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.> > >> > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the> > >> > power> > >> > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will> > >> occur> > >> > > (Tara> > >> > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will> > >> > occur> > >> > > ie> > >> > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very> > > good> > >> at> > >> > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking.> > >> So> > >> > by> > >> > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good> > > guru.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > >> > > > > Best Wishes,> > >> > > > > Vijay Goel> > >> > > > > Jaipur> > >> > > > > 09214502239.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > , "heartzthief54"> > >> > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> > >> > > paidaish> > >> > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas> > >> > > karein.Bahut> > >> > > > >> meharbani hogi.> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> MAHAJAN> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --> > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device> >>