Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Sir, please check about his grandfather also. Bcoz after reading shukla ji's message i checked about few horoscopes and found what he says about grandfather fits in perfectally. Thanks. Kulbir. On 3/25/09, shahtahmasp <shahtahmasp wrote: > Sirs, > > > > I joined this group to follow along with many of the bright stars > in this lal kitab descussions forum Varun ji ,Lkitabee ji and mahajan > ji,kulbir sahab along with so many other knowledgeable persons who are > so kind as to share their valuable experiance bahot bahot shukriya > > My two cents on the subject of budh is that what Varun and LK ji's have said > sounds very logical I think if budh is in good company it will modify the > suspicion on the other hand with evil aspects etc along with totlapan other > neshaniya it will confirm .... > > I know a person who is haklata and his story is that his dad marry twice and > his mum was 2nd wife after ist one die I have to find out details to his DOB > > Regards > > KH > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Respected Lalkitabi ji Bahut Bahut Shukriya correction ke liye . or aapke Budh Khanna number 9 ke Details Reply blikul sahi lagtey hai . with respect and regards Renab singh , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Res renab ji > So much Thanx for feedback.aapki baat theek hai ,iska jikra Shree Mad-bhaagwat-Puran main bhi hai ,lekin mytholgical phrases ke mutabiq Budh moon se nafrat kartaa hai, theek usi tarah se jis tarah se ek Nazayaz aulad ko agar apne nazayaz baap ka pataa chal jaaye aur vah us nazayaz baap se nafrat karey. > Astrological points are some differ. Lalkitab considers Moon as mother. > With Regards > Pt.Lalkitabee > V.Shukla > Mb.9812020001 > , " renabsingh " <renabsingh@> wrote: > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji > > Your Reply is right . Maine Kayi Horoscope study kiye hai jinke Budh 9th mein hai , or puchne per parents ne khud bataya ki Beta badi duayo , Guru Mahatamao or Dargah se Hasil hua hai . Lalkitabee ji aapke jawab bahut steek hote hai or aapmein lalkitab ke bhed kholne ki shakti hai . > > Aapne Kaha ki Budh is Rival to Moon but i think Budh is Rival to Jupitor .. maine jaha tak read kiya hai vo ye hai ki Chander , Guru ki wife TarA per mohit hua or us sambandh se Budh Paida hua . so Budh jupitor ka rival hua na ki Chander ka . > > Budh per Shodh hona chahiye , Mujhe Budh Khurafati ya kahe Chupa rustam lagta hai . Sirf Lalkitab hi Budh ke deep rahasyo ko prakat karti hai > > ( Note Vedic astrology mein 9th house se Avaidh Sambandho ka pata chalta hai , per Lalkitab Budh ke hi baarey mein hi batati hai , ye topic deep research mangta hai ) > > With respect and Regards > > Renab Singh > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > > > hisaab > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > > > vahaan > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 > > > main > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > > > There > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > > > hopefully > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went > > > in > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > > > > apni > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > > > > also > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth > > > else > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > > > revealed > > > > by > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > > > deride > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > > > religious, > > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > > > calculation > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > > > > gives > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > > > > person > > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, > > > moon > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him > > > as > > > > the > > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > > > indicate > > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > > > power > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > > > > (Tara > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > > > occur > > > > ie > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So > > > by > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > > paidaish > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > > > karein.Bahut > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, Initially I had taken the word ' bhed ' to mean in a derogatory sense. But then you translated it to mean 'rahasya'. I think the best possible Hindi equivalent to the word 'bhed' would be 'rahasya'. I also agree with Shri Shukla ji when he says that the 'rahasya' can menifest in all shapes. It can be a 'chamatkar'; it can be an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat', or even it can be some thing 'unexplained'. And that is why I had to say it so very loudly that I am sold on the view Shukla ji holds. As for your quote from the 1942 book, it is page 372 of the original. Although the context is the timing of disease, but it does explain the relationship of Jupiter vis-a-vis mercury [ one of its enemy]. The context once again is the progeny. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > 1942 arun samhita page 414 line 12-13 " jhagde ka sabab > aurat ke pet ka bacha phir wahi ladki hogi jo GUNAH hai. " relation of > budh and guru is being considered here. If the word is gunah in the > original version then enmical relation or as shukla ji says guru ke > ghar me budh ki sendh seems appropriate. But there is not slightest > hint of doubtful parentage. If gunah doesn't mean bastardness then we > have no choice but to accept shukla ji's version. If gunah exempts > bastardness then to say that bhed includes it sounds a little > excessive. It should surely be put in the files section. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > On 3/25/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > > > Simply superb !! > > > > Very convincing !!! > > > > I am sold to your view. > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the articles to be > > uploaded in the files. > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > >> > >> Res Varun Ji > >> There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE > > JAHIR > >> KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY > >> MAAYNO MAIN) > >> Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > >> Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > >> Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh > > hone > >> par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki > >> paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey > >> (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe > >> (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13 > >> maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to > > aisa > >> bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee > > baba > >> ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka > >> janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA > >> AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > >> > >> Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > >> Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa > > hee > >> hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main bhed ka > >> matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa, > >> kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak > >> Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use > >> milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi > >> jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main > >> budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main > >> kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki > >> budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya > >> mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > >> Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke > >> makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya > > to > >> baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai. > >> Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase. > >> Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > >> in the 9th house? > >> Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry. > >> Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > >> Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > >> > >> Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > > 'bhed' > >> should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > >> Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey > >> wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use > >> Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil > >> gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar > >> usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na > >> kisi tarah. > >> Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main > >> kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib > >> hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai. > >> With Regards > >> Pt. Lalkitabee > >> V.Shukla > >> Mb. 9812020001 > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > >> > > >> > The first thing we should define : > >> > > >> > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > >> > > >> > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > >> > > >> > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic > > mercury > >> > in the 9th house? > >> > > >> > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > >> > > >> > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > >> 'bhed' > >> > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > > 'mannat'. > >> > > >> > Could other members please share their views? > >> > > >> > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic > >> mercury > >> > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > >> > > >> > With respect and regards, > >> > > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , " lalkitabee " > >> > lalkitabee@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 > >> this > >> > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > >> > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > >> > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili > >> hoti > >> > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne > > ke > >> > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > >> > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad > >> se > >> > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka > >> ketu > >> > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > >> > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > >> > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > >> > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > >> > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > >> practically > >> > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka > >> budh > >> > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > >> > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > >> > hisaab > >> > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel > >> Guru > >> > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > >> > vahaan > >> > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana > > 9 > >> > main > >> > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > >> > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > >> > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > >> > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > >> > > > >> > > With Regards > >> > > > >> > > Pt. Lalkitabee > >> > > > >> > > V.Shukla > >> > > Mb. 09812020001 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , kulbir bance > >> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain > >> this > >> > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > >> > There > >> > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > >> > hopefully > >> > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > >> > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > >> > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > >> > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth > >> of > >> > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents > >> went > >> > in > >> > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The > >> parents > >> > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. > > I > >> > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition > >> also. > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> > > > > >> > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > >> > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The complete line is as under : > >> > > > > > >> > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein > >> uski > >> > > apni > >> > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house > >> and > >> > > also > >> > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his > > birth > >> > else > >> > > > > not. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > >> > > > > > >> > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > >> > will > >> > > be > >> > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > >> > revealed > >> > > by > >> > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > >> > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > >> > > deride > >> > > > > father's relation with mother. > >> > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > >> > > religious, > >> > > > > and long life. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > >> > calculation > >> > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > >> > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect > >> and > >> > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat > >> (chamkadarh) > >> > > gives > >> > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The best remedies suggested is > >> > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > >> > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more > >> learned > >> > > person > >> > > > > in this group. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * * > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of > > jupiter, > >> > moon > >> > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > >> > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted > >> him > >> > as > >> > > the > >> > > > > student. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > >> > > indicate > >> > > > > this possibilty. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > >> > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > >> > power > >> > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will > >> occur > >> > > (Tara > >> > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > >> > occur > >> > > ie > >> > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very > > good > >> at > >> > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. > >> So > >> > by > >> > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good > > guru. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thankyou, > >> > > > > Best Wishes, > >> > > > > Vijay Goel > >> > > > > Jaipur > >> > > > > 09214502239. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > >> > > paidaish > >> > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > >> > > karein.Bahut > >> > > > >> meharbani hogi. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> MAHAJAN > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Res Varun Ji Thanx, Magar aap sharmindaa kyon kar rahey hain, kyaa apko bhi mere kisi massage ko file section main shamil karne ke liye meri approval ki jaroorat hai. Yah to is bhandaar main mera bhi ek shraddha-suman tha jise aap manjoori de rahey hain. dhanyavaad With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla Mb.-9812020001 , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > Simply superb !! > > Very convincing !!! > > I am sold to your view. > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the articles to be > uploaded in the files. > > > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > Res Varun Ji > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE > JAHIR > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY > > MAAYNO MAIN) > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh > hone > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13 > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to > aisa > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee > baba > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa > hee > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main bhed ka > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa, > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya > to > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai. > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase. > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > > in the 9th house? > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry. > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > 'bhed' > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na > > kisi tarah. > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai. > > With Regards > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > > Mb. 9812020001 > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic > mercury > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > > 'bhed' > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > 'mannat'. > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic > > mercury > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 > > this > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili > > hoti > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne > ke > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad > > se > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka > > ketu > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > > practically > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka > > budh > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > > > hisaab > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel > > Guru > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > > > vahaan > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana > 9 > > > main > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain > > this > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > > > There > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > > > hopefully > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth > > of > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents > > went > > > in > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The > > parents > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. > I > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition > > also. > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein > > uski > > > > apni > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house > > and > > > > also > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his > birth > > > else > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > > > revealed > > > > by > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > > > deride > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > > > religious, > > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > > > calculation > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect > > and > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat > > (chamkadarh) > > > > gives > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more > > learned > > > > person > > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of > jupiter, > > > moon > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted > > him > > > as > > > > the > > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > > > indicate > > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > > > power > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will > > occur > > > > (Tara > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > > > occur > > > > ie > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very > good > > at > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. > > So > > > by > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good > guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > > paidaish > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > > > karein.Bahut > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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