Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Varun Jee & Other Members, Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut meharbani hogi. MAHAJAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, We should avoid making such sweeping statements. Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house. Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s population, will have a doubtful parentage? I hope not. I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed hoga’ to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally taken to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this phrase to mean. The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is malefic or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic. If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account the planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like vaani dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] suffering and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility and not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the parentage. The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic and placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage might be suspect. I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > > Varun Jee & Other Members, > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut > meharbani hogi. > > MAHAJAN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Respected Mahajanji,The complete line is as under :LK-1941 version, pg 147."Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski apni juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and also hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else not. It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will be revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed by the planet in H.No. 11.If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could deride father's relation with mother.Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, religious, and long life.* * * * *Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and nature of mercury in the chart.* * * * *The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) gives loss of wealth & health (short age).The best remedies suggested is 1)Piercing the nose.2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned person in this group.* * * * *If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as the student.May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) indicate this possibilty.This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur (Tara runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur ie mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur09214502239. , "heartzthief54" <heartzthief54 wrote:>> > Varun Jee & Other Members,> > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut> meharbani hogi.> > MAHAJAN> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Respected Vijay ji, Thanks for the mythological story of mercury's birth. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Mahajanji, > > The complete line is as under : > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski apni > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and also > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else > not. > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will be > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed by > the planet in H.No. 11. > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could deride > father's relation with mother. > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, religious, > and long life. > > * * > * * > * > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > nature of mercury in the chart. > > * * > * * > * > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) gives > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > The best remedies suggested is > 1)Piercing the nose. > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned person > in this group. > > * * > * * > * > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as the > student. > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) indicate > this possibilty. > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur (Tara > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur ie > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > Thankyou, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > 09214502239. > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish > > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut > > meharbani hogi. > > > > MAHAJAN > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Varun Jee, Aapka aadha adhoora jawab mila hai jis se meri jigyasa shant nahi huee, kyonki aapne swal ke jawab mein hee swal puchh liyen hai , ya kitab par hee prashan chin laga diya hai hai jo ki mere khayal se uchit nahi.jaisa ki aapne kaha :------- Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house. Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s population, will have a doubtful parentage Abb agar aapki baat sahi maan lee jaye to saari LAL KITAB hee padne ka koi fayda nahi , kyonki LK mein bahut zyada jagah par ek hee grah ko sirf kisi ek hee khana mein lekar bahut kuchh likha milega to kya woh jhooth hoga . For example KHANA NO 11 mein SURAJ wala shakhsh meat (non veg.) na khaye warna aulad .................... yeh bhee to 1/12 hee hoga har grah ka 1/12 hee hoga to kya kisi ka upay na karwaya jaye . Meri baat ka bura mat maniye , mein vastav mein hee kuchh nahi janta thaa issliye puchh baitha aur aapne jo jawab diya woh mujh ko tasalibakhsh nahi laga, agar koi aur member iss par roshni daal sakta ho to kripya bataye. bahut meharbani hogi. Dhanyawad MAHAJAN , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Mahajan ji,> > We should avoid making such sweeping statements. > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house. Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s population, will have a doubtful parentage?> > I hope not.> > I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed hoga’ to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally taken to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this phrase to mean. > > The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is malefic or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic.> > If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account the planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like vaani dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] suffering and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility and not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the parentage.> > The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic and placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage might be suspect. > > I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > , "heartzthief54" heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > > > Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish> > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut> > meharbani hogi.> > > > MAHAJAN> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Astrology talks of probable possibilities and we should talk in terms of possibilities and not certainties. Another thing to remember is that the results have to be modified according to ‘desh & kaal’. Once again you have made a generalized statement, “a native with the Sun in the 11th house if eats meat will have no progenyâ€. You did not mention the accompanying condition attached. Meat is a staple diet of the 9/10th of the world population. Do you mean to say that all those from that population who have the Sun in the 11th house will have no progeny? To my mind in this context meat and other ashiya of Shani mentioned are in the sense of ‘vyasan’. I hope you know the difference between a ‘vyasan’ and a staple food. The correct way of putting what you have said will be, that if a person has the Sun in the 11th house and [ a ] that he lives in a house with a street on the side of his house. [ b ] that there is a tree in the courtyard of his house. [ c ] that he indulges in the ‘vyasan’ of karak objects of Saturn. then there could be a possibility of him either having no son or if he has one then the son may not be well off, or the native may not get comfort from this son. Since you claim that you really do not know the answer to the statement about Mercury in the 9th, then how do you say that the answer I had given is ‘aadha adhoora’? I am waiting for what you have up your sleeve. Lal Kitab is not wrong. What makes it seem wrong is how we put forward what it says. Having said that, we do not accept the view that any book, including Lal Kitab, is infallible. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "heartzthief54" <heartzthief54 wrote:>> Varun Jee,> > Aapka jawab mila hai jis se meri jigyasa shant nahi huee,> kyonki aapne swal ke jawab mein hee swal puchh liyen hai , ya kitab par> hee prashan chin laga diya hai hai jo ki mere khayal se uchit nahi.jaisa> ki aapne kaha :-------> > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house. Do> you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s population,> will have a doubtful parentage> > Abb agar aapki baat sahi maan lee jaye to saari LAL KITAB hee padne ka> koi fayda nahi , kyonki LK mein bahut zyada jagah par ek hee grah ko> sirf kisi ek hee khana mein lekar bahut kuchh likha milega to kya woh> jhooth hoga . For example KHANA NO 11 mein SURAJ wala shakhsh meat (non> veg.) na khaye warna aulad .................... yeh bhee to 1/12 hee> hoga har grah ka 1/12 hee hoga to kya kisi ka upay na karwaya jaye .> > Meri baat ka bura mat maniye , mein vastav mein hee kuchh nahi janta> thaa issliye puchh baitha aur aapne jo jawab diya woh mujh ko> tasalibakhsh nahi laga, agar koi aur member iss par roshni daal sakta ho> to kripya bataye. bahut meharbani hogi.> > Dhanyawad> > MAHAJAN> > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > We should avoid making such sweeping statements.> >> > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house.> Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s> population, will have a doubtful parentage?> >> > I hope not.> >> > I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed hoga’> to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally taken> to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this phrase> to mean.> >> > The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is malefic> or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the> mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic.> >> > If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account the> planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like vaani> dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] suffering> and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility and> not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the> parentage.> >> > The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic and> placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the> manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage might> be suspect.> >> > I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "heartzthief54"> heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Varun Jee & Other Members,> > >> > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> paidaish> > > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut> > > meharbani hogi.> > >> > > MAHAJAN> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this thought doesn't seems adequate. Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is rival to moon not to Jupiter.With RegardsPt. LalkitabeeV.ShuklaMb. 09812020001 , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this> condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There> is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully> find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't> necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some> treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected> circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of> some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in> for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents> didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I> accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also.> Regards. Kulbir.> > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj wrote:> > Respected Mahajanji,> >> > The complete line is as under :> >> > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> >> > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski apni> > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> >> > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and also> > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else> > not.> >> > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> >> > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will be> > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed by> > the planet in H.No. 11.> > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could deride> > father's relation with mother.> > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, religious,> > and long life.> >> > * *> > * *> > *> > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation> > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and> > nature of mercury in the chart.> >> > * *> > * *> > *> >> > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) gives> > loss of wealth & health (short age).> >> > The best remedies suggested is> > 1)Piercing the nose.> > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> >> > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned person> > in this group.> >> > * *> > * *> > *> >> > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon> > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born.> > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as the> > student.> >> > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) indicate> > this possibilty.> >> > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.> > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power> > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur (Tara> > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur ie> > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at> > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by> > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru.> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur> > 09214502239.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >>> >>> >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> >>> >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki paidaish> >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas karein.Bahut> >> meharbani hogi.> >>> >> MAHAJAN> >>> >> >> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Shukla Jee, Aapka Idea to bura nahi lekin agar , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > thought doesn't seems adequate. > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > With Regards > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > apni > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > also > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else > > > not. > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will > be > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed > by > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > deride > > > father's relation with mother. > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > religious, > > > and long life. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > gives > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > person > > > in this group. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as > the > > > student. > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > indicate > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > (Tara > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur > ie > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > >> > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > paidaish > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > karein.Bahut > > >> meharbani hogi. > > >> > > >> MAHAJAN > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Varun Jee, Meine sirf example ke liye Suraj khana no 12 bola thaa aur aapne uss par hee likh diya jiske liye mein aapka shukriya ada karta hoon. Jaise aapne Suraj khana no 12 ke liye nishaniya likhi hain vaise Budh khana no 9 ke liye nahi likhi (paidaish mein bhed hoga sirf uski jiski zuban...yehi nishani aap likh dete kaafi thee) aap khud hee dekh lein. Iske baare mein Vijay Jee ne kafi vistar se likh diya meri taraf se unko dhanyawad, unke likhne se hee yeh samajh mein aya ki agar zuban mein totlpan hai to hee kuchh bhed hai, woh kya hai, iss par matbhed ho sakte hain lekin bhed sirf uski hee paidaish mein jiski zuban mein totlapan hoga(goonga bhee ho sakta hai). Aur yeh bhed koi achha nahi ho sakta , agar achha hota to zuban me nukas(VAANIDOSH) na hota. Galti ke liye kshama chahta hoon. MAHAJAN , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > Astrology talks of probable possibilities and we should talk in terms of > possibilities and not certainties. Another thing to remember is that the > results have to be modified according to ‘desh & kaal’. > > > > Once again you have made a generalized statement, “a native with > the Sun in the 11th house if eats meat will have no progenyâ€. You > did not mention the accompanying condition attached. > > > > Meat is a staple diet of the 9/10th of the world population. Do you mean > to say that all those from that population who have the Sun in the 11th > house will have no progeny? > > > > To my mind in this context meat and other ashiya of Shani mentioned are > in the sense of ‘vyasan’. I hope you know the difference > between a ‘vyasan’ and a staple food. > > > > The correct way of putting what you have said will be, > > > > that if a person has the Sun in the 11th house and > > > > [ a ] that he lives in a house with a street on the side of his house. > > [ b ] that there is a tree in the courtyard of his house. > > [ c ] that he indulges in the ‘vyasan’ of karak objects of > Saturn. > > > > then there could be a possibility of him either having no son or if he > has one then the son may not be well off, or the native may not get > comfort from this son. > > > > Since you claim that you really do not know the answer to the statement > about Mercury in the 9th, then how do you say that the answer I had > given is ‘aadha adhoora’? I am waiting for what you have > up your sleeve. > > > > Lal Kitab is not wrong. What makes it seem wrong is how we put forward > what it says. > > > > Having said that, we do not accept the view that any book, including Lal > Kitab, is infallible. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > Aapka jawab mila hai jis se meri jigyasa shant nahi huee, > > kyonki aapne swal ke jawab mein hee swal puchh liyen hai , ya kitab > par > > hee prashan chin laga diya hai hai jo ki mere khayal se uchit > nahi.jaisa > > ki aapne kaha :------- > > > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th house. > Do > > you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s > population, > > will have a doubtful parentage > > > > Abb agar aapki baat sahi maan lee jaye to saari LAL KITAB hee padne ka > > koi fayda nahi , kyonki LK mein bahut zyada jagah par ek hee grah ko > > sirf kisi ek hee khana mein lekar bahut kuchh likha milega to kya woh > > jhooth hoga . For example KHANA NO 11 mein SURAJ wala shakhsh meat > (non > > veg.) na khaye warna aulad .................... yeh bhee to 1/12 hee > > hoga har grah ka 1/12 hee hoga to kya kisi ka upay na karwaya jaye . > > > > Meri baat ka bura mat maniye , mein vastav mein hee kuchh nahi janta > > thaa issliye puchh baitha aur aapne jo jawab diya woh mujh ko > > tasalibakhsh nahi laga, agar koi aur member iss par roshni daal sakta > ho > > to kripya bataye. bahut meharbani hogi. > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > We should avoid making such sweeping statements. > > > > > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th > house. > > Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s > > population, will have a doubtful parentage? > > > > > > I hope not. > > > > > > I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed > hoga’ > > to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally taken > > to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this phrase > > to mean. > > > > > > The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is malefic > > or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the > > mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic. > > > > > > If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account the > > planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like vaani > > dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] > suffering > > and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility and > > not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the > > parentage. > > > > > > The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic > and > > placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the > > manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage might > > be suspect. > > > > > > I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > > > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > paidaish > > > > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > karein.Bahut > > > > meharbani hogi. > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, Aap ne likha hai: Jaise aapne Suraj khana no 12 ke liye nishaniya likhi hain vaise Budh khana no 9 ke liye nahi likhi (paidaish mein bhed hoga sirf uski jiski zuban...yehi nishani aap likh dete kaafi thee) aap khud hee dekh lein. Aap ke sath pareshani yah hai ki ya to aap poori tarah se parhte nahi hain ya aap likhe ko poori tarah se samajhte nahi hain. Aap mera message # 3912 phir se parhe. Meine likha hai : The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is malefic or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic.If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account the planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like vaani dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] suffering and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility and not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the parentage. Translating this in Hindi for you: ‘ pahali cheez hame yah dekhani hogi ki ayaa mercury manda hai ki nahi. Kitab mein aise kayee parihar sharten dee gayee hai jis mein mercury khana 9 mein hone ke vabzood manda nahi hoga. Agar mercury manda sabit hota hai, grahon ki kundali mein stith ke adhaar par ya mande budh ki nishaniyon ke adhaar par jaise ki : Vaani dosh Daanton mein takleef Ya mercury ki karak rishtedaar jaise bahan, bua ya mausi peedit hon Tab is baat ki sambhavana [ maine sambhavana shabd ka prayog kiya hai na ki nishchit ka] ho sakti hai ki padaish mein bhed ho. Ab batayen ki maine mande mercury ki nishaniyan mention ki hai ki nahi? Aap se doosara anurodh hai ki thora dhyan se likha karen. Aap ne is message mein sooraj khana # 11 ki jagah lagatar khana # 12 likha hai. Shayad aap yah jante hain ki is group mein likhe lekh Lal Kitab ke teaching material ke roop mein istemaal hote hain. is liye hum ko apne shabd, apni baat bahut dhyaan se kahni chahiye. Aadar sahit, Varun Trivedi , "heartzthief54" <heartzthief54 wrote:>> > Varun Jee,> > Meine sirf example ke liye Suraj khana no 12 bola thaa aur aapne uss par> hee likh diya jiske liye mein aapka shukriya ada karta hoon.> > Jaise aapne Suraj khana no 12 ke liye nishaniya likhi hain vaise Budh> khana no 9 ke liye nahi likhi (paidaish mein bhed hoga sirf uski jiski> zuban...yehi nishani aap likh dete kaafi thee) aap khud hee dekh lein.> > Iske baare mein Vijay Jee ne kafi vistar se likh diya meri taraf se unko> dhanyawad, unke likhne se hee yeh samajh mein aya ki agar zuban mein> totlpan hai to hee kuchh bhed hai, woh kya hai, iss par matbhed ho sakte> hain lekin bhed sirf uski hee paidaish mein jiski zuban mein totlapan> hoga(goonga bhee ho sakta hai). Aur yeh bhed koi achha nahi ho sakta ,> agar achha hota to zuban me nukas(VAANIDOSH) na hota.> > Galti ke liye kshama chahta hoon.> > MAHAJAN> > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> >> >> > Astrology talks of probable possibilities and we should talk in terms> of> > possibilities and not certainties. Another thing to remember is that> the> > results have to be modified according to ‘desh & kaal’.> >> >> >> > Once again you have made a generalized statement, “a native> with> > the Sun in the 11th house if eats meat will have no progenyâ€.> You> > did not mention the accompanying condition attached.> >> >> >> > Meat is a staple diet of the 9/10th of the world population. Do you> mean> > to say that all those from that population who have the Sun in the> 11th> > house will have no progeny?> >> >> >> > To my mind in this context meat and other ashiya of Shani mentioned> are> > in the sense of ‘vyasan’. I hope you know the difference> > between a ‘vyasan’ and a staple food.> >> >> >> > The correct way of putting what you have said will be,> >> >> >> > that if a person has the Sun in the 11th house and> >> >> >> > [ a ] that he lives in a house with a street on the side of his house.> >> > [ b ] that there is a tree in the courtyard of his house.> >> > [ c ] that he indulges in the ‘vyasan’ of karak objects> of> > Saturn.> >> >> >> > then there could be a possibility of him either having no son or if he> > has one then the son may not be well off, or the native may not get> > comfort from this son.> >> >> >> > Since you claim that you really do not know the answer to the> statement> > about Mercury in the 9th, then how do you say that the answer I had> > given is ‘aadha adhoora’? I am waiting for what you have> > up your sleeve.> >> >> >> > Lal Kitab is not wrong. What makes it seem wrong is how we put forward> > what it says.> >> >> >> > Having said that, we do not accept the view that any book, including> Lal> > Kitab, is infallible.> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> > > Varun Jee,> > >> > > Aapka jawab mila hai jis se meri jigyasa shant nahi huee,> > > kyonki aapne swal ke jawab mein hee swal puchh liyen hai , ya kitab> > par> > > hee prashan chin laga diya hai hai jo ki mere khayal se uchit> > nahi.jaisa> > > ki aapne kaha :-------> > >> > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th> house.> > Do> > > you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s> > population,> > > will have a doubtful parentage> > >> > > Abb agar aapki baat sahi maan lee jaye to saari LAL KITAB hee padne> ka> > > koi fayda nahi , kyonki LK mein bahut zyada jagah par ek hee grah ko> > > sirf kisi ek hee khana mein lekar bahut kuchh likha milega to kya> woh> > > jhooth hoga . For example KHANA NO 11 mein SURAJ wala shakhsh meat> > (non> > > veg.) na khaye warna aulad .................... yeh bhee to 1/12 hee> > > hoga har grah ka 1/12 hee hoga to kya kisi ka upay na karwaya jaye .> > >> > > Meri baat ka bura mat maniye , mein vastav mein hee kuchh nahi janta> > > thaa issliye puchh baitha aur aapne jo jawab diya woh mujh ko> > > tasalibakhsh nahi laga, agar koi aur member iss par roshni daal> sakta> > ho> > > to kripya bataye. bahut meharbani hogi.> > >> > > Dhanyawad> > >> > > MAHAJAN> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > >> > > > We should avoid making such sweeping statements.> > > >> > > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th> > house.> > > Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s> > > population, will have a doubtful parentage?> > > >> > > > I hope not.> > > >> > > > I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed> > hoga’> > > to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally> taken> > > to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this> phrase> > > to mean.> > > >> > > > The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is> malefic> > > or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the> > > mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic.> > > >> > > > If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account> the> > > planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like> vaani> > > dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi]> > suffering> > > and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility> and> > > not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the> > > parentage.> > > >> > > > The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic> > and> > > placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the> > > manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage> might> > > be suspect.> > > >> > > > I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > > >> > > > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> > > paidaish> > > > > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas> > karein.Bahut> > > > > meharbani hogi.> > > > >> > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Respected Lalkitabee ji, The first thing we should define : what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean. [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury in the 9th house? [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. Could other members please share their views? I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee wrote:>> Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this> thought doesn't seems adequate.> Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa> hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti> hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke> peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se> mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu> (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father> dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad> karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi-> ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman> betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically> jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh> khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti> hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab> se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru> aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan> bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main> agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper> likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is> rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > With Regards> > Pt. Lalkitabee> > V.Shukla> Mb. 09812020001> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance> kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this> > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There> > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully> > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't> > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some> > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected> > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of> > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in> > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents> > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I> > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also.> > Regards. Kulbir.> >> > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > Respected Mahajanji,> > >> > > The complete line is as under :> > >> > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > >> > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski> apni> > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > >> > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and> also> > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else> > > not.> > >> > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > >> > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will> be> > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed> by> > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could> deride> > > father's relation with mother.> > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy,> religious,> > > and long life.> > >> > > * *> > > * *> > > *> > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation> > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and> > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > >> > > * *> > > * *> > > *> > >> > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh)> gives> > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > >> > > The best remedies suggested is> > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > >> > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned> person> > > in this group.> > >> > > * *> > > * *> > > *> > >> > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon> > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born.> > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as> the> > > student.> > >> > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru)> indicate> > > this possibilty.> > >> > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.> > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power> > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur> (Tara> > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur> ie> > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at> > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by> > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur> > > 09214502239.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "heartzthief54"> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >>> > >>> > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > >>> > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> paidaish> > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas> karein.Bahut> > >> meharbani hogi.> > >>> > >> MAHAJAN> > >>> > >> > >> >> > --> > Sent from my mobile device> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Respected Kulbirji & Suklaji, What is the 'bhed' behind birth is said to seen from the planet in H.NO.11 is mentioned in LK. Kindly elaborated this concept, how we can know the 'bhed' if Nishaniya is also present.?? As i have mentioned in previous post, ketu, moon and jupiter is 11th house makes the person lucky, wealthy and religious. Thus is mean that blessing from Guru (jupiter), Mother of lineage (moon), Saints\fakir (ketu) is coming, hence he was born. This is just a thought because term 'lucky' term is used, In India person is considered lucky if he is blessed. Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur Mob. 9214502239. , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > thought doesn't seems adequate. > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > With Regards > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > apni > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > also > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else > > > not. > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will > be > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed > by > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > deride > > > father's relation with mother. > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > religious, > > > and long life. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > gives > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > person > > > in this group. > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > * > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as > the > > > student. > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > indicate > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > (Tara > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur > ie > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > >> > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > paidaish > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > karein.Bahut > > >> meharbani hogi. > > >> > > >> MAHAJAN > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Adarniya Mahajan Ji, App ki hi kripa hai, jo thoda thoda kuch sik raha hu. Chota bahi janke easi kripa baneye rakhe, hamesa hum per. Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > > Varun Jee, > > Meine sirf example ke liye Suraj khana no 12 bola thaa aur aapne uss par > hee likh diya jiske liye mein aapka shukriya ada karta hoon. > > Jaise aapne Suraj khana no 12 ke liye nishaniya likhi hain vaise Budh > khana no 9 ke liye nahi likhi (paidaish mein bhed hoga sirf uski jiski > zuban...yehi nishani aap likh dete kaafi thee) aap khud hee dekh lein. > > Iske baare mein Vijay Jee ne kafi vistar se likh diya meri taraf se unko > dhanyawad, unke likhne se hee yeh samajh mein aya ki agar zuban mein > totlpan hai to hee kuchh bhed hai, woh kya hai, iss par matbhed ho sakte > hain lekin bhed sirf uski hee paidaish mein jiski zuban mein totlapan > hoga(goonga bhee ho sakta hai). Aur yeh bhed koi achha nahi ho sakta , > agar achha hota to zuban me nukas(VAANIDOSH) na hota. > > Galti ke liye kshama chahta hoon. > > MAHAJAN > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > Astrology talks of probable possibilities and we should talk in terms > of > > possibilities and not certainties. Another thing to remember is that > the > > results have to be modified according to ‘desh & kaal’. > > > > > > > > Once again you have made a generalized statement, “a native > with > > the Sun in the 11th house if eats meat will have no progenyâ€. > You > > did not mention the accompanying condition attached. > > > > > > > > Meat is a staple diet of the 9/10th of the world population. Do you > mean > > to say that all those from that population who have the Sun in the > 11th > > house will have no progeny? > > > > > > > > To my mind in this context meat and other ashiya of Shani mentioned > are > > in the sense of ‘vyasan’. I hope you know the difference > > between a ‘vyasan’ and a staple food. > > > > > > > > The correct way of putting what you have said will be, > > > > > > > > that if a person has the Sun in the 11th house and > > > > > > > > [ a ] that he lives in a house with a street on the side of his house. > > > > [ b ] that there is a tree in the courtyard of his house. > > > > [ c ] that he indulges in the ‘vyasan’ of karak objects > of > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > then there could be a possibility of him either having no son or if he > > has one then the son may not be well off, or the native may not get > > comfort from this son. > > > > > > > > Since you claim that you really do not know the answer to the > statement > > about Mercury in the 9th, then how do you say that the answer I had > > given is ‘aadha adhoora’? I am waiting for what you have > > up your sleeve. > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab is not wrong. What makes it seem wrong is how we put forward > > what it says. > > > > > > > > Having said that, we do not accept the view that any book, including > Lal > > Kitab, is infallible. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > Aapka jawab mila hai jis se meri jigyasa shant nahi huee, > > > kyonki aapne swal ke jawab mein hee swal puchh liyen hai , ya kitab > > par > > > hee prashan chin laga diya hai hai jo ki mere khayal se uchit > > nahi.jaisa > > > ki aapne kaha :------- > > > > > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th > house. > > Do > > > you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s > > population, > > > will have a doubtful parentage > > > > > > Abb agar aapki baat sahi maan lee jaye to saari LAL KITAB hee padne > ka > > > koi fayda nahi , kyonki LK mein bahut zyada jagah par ek hee grah ko > > > sirf kisi ek hee khana mein lekar bahut kuchh likha milega to kya > woh > > > jhooth hoga . For example KHANA NO 11 mein SURAJ wala shakhsh meat > > (non > > > veg.) na khaye warna aulad .................... yeh bhee to 1/12 hee > > > hoga har grah ka 1/12 hee hoga to kya kisi ka upay na karwaya jaye . > > > > > > Meri baat ka bura mat maniye , mein vastav mein hee kuchh nahi janta > > > thaa issliye puchh baitha aur aapne jo jawab diya woh mujh ko > > > tasalibakhsh nahi laga, agar koi aur member iss par roshni daal > sakta > > ho > > > to kripya bataye. bahut meharbani hogi. > > > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > We should avoid making such sweeping statements. > > > > > > > > Every 12th man born on this earth will have Mercury in the 9th > > house. > > > Do you mean to say that all those, 1/12th of the world’s > > > population, will have a doubtful parentage? > > > > > > > > I hope not. > > > > > > > > I am interpreting the word ‘ pedaish mein koi bhed > > hoga’ > > > to mean doubtful parentage. This is what this phrase is normally > taken > > > to mean in every day parlance. I do not know what you take this > phrase > > > to mean. > > > > > > > > The first thing would be to ascertain whether the mercury is > malefic > > > or not. The book states quite a few parihar conditions where the > > > mercury, in spite of being in the 9th house, will not be malefic. > > > > > > > > If the mercury is adjudged as malefic, after taking into account > the > > > planetary positions and confirming through other nishaniyan like > vaani > > > dosh , bad teeth, the karaks of mercury [ sister, bua, mausi] > > suffering > > > and so on, then there could be a possibility [ I said possibility > and > > > not a certainty] that there might be some thing doubtful about the > > > parentage. > > > > > > > > The reason is simple, a mercury which has been adjudged as malefic > > and > > > placed in the 9th house will turn the Jupiter manda. One of the > > > manifestations of this manda Jupiter could be that the parentage > might > > > be suspect. > > > > > > > > I know you have some thing up your sleeve. Let it be out. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > > > > > > Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > paidaish > > > > > mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > karein.Bahut > > > > > meharbani hogi. > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Respected Lalkitabee ji Your Reply is right . Maine Kayi Horoscope study kiye hai jinke Budh 9th mein hai , or puchne per parents ne khud bataya ki Beta badi duayo , Guru Mahatamao or Dargah se Hasil hua hai . Lalkitabee ji aapke jawab bahut steek hote hai or aapmein lalkitab ke bhed kholne ki shakti hai . Aapne Kaha ki Budh is Rival to Moon but i think Budh is Rival to Jupitor . maine jaha tak read kiya hai vo ye hai ki Chander , Guru ki wife TarA per mohit hua or us sambandh se Budh Paida hua . so Budh jupitor ka rival hua na ki Chander ka . Budh per Shodh hona chahiye , Mujhe Budh Khurafati ya kahe Chupa rustam lagta hai . Sirf Lalkitab hi Budh ke deep rahasyo ko prakat karti hai ( Note Vedic astrology mein 9th house se Avaidh Sambandho ka pata chalta hai , per Lalkitab Budh ke hi baarey mein hi batati hai , ye topic deep research mangta hai ) With respect and Regards Renab Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > The first thing we should define : > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > in the 9th house? > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > Could other members please share their views? > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > hisaab > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > vahaan > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 > main > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > With Regards > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > V.Shukla > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > There > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > hopefully > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went > in > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > > apni > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > > also > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth > else > > > > not. > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > will > > be > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > revealed > > by > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > deride > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > religious, > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > calculation > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > > gives > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > > person > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, > moon > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him > as > > the > > > > student. > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > indicate > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > power > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > > (Tara > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > occur > > ie > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So > by > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > >> > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > paidaish > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > karein.Bahut > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > >> > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Respected vijay ji, first of all is linguistic problem. i e Bhed means Rahasya mystery or shaq suspicion. Rahasya and suspicion denote entirely different meanings. I had earliar said that paidesh me bhed has been mentioned at another place also. I am trying to find it out it is used for 2 planets together. If we go by mythology nearly every avtari person had bhed in birth. Point is rahasya or shaq. I accept shukla ji's point that it is not a derogetory term but divine blessing Regards. Kulbir. On 3/24/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Respected Kulbirji & Suklaji, > > What is the 'bhed' behind birth is said to seen from the planet in H.NO.11 > is mentioned in LK. > > Kindly elaborated this concept, how we can know the 'bhed' if Nishaniya is > also present.?? > > As i have mentioned in previous post, ketu, moon and jupiter is 11th house > makes the person lucky, wealthy and religious. > > Thus is mean that blessing from Guru (jupiter), Mother of lineage (moon), > Saints\fakir (ketu) is coming, hence he was born. > > This is just a thought because term 'lucky' term is used, In India person is > considered lucky if he is blessed. > > Thankyou, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > Mob. 9214502239. > > > > , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee > wrote: >> >> Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, >> >> >> Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this >> thought doesn't seems adequate. >> Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa >> hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti >> hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke >> peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik >> guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se >> mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu >> (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father >> dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad >> karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- >> ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman >> betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically >> jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh >> khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti >> hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab >> se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru >> aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan >> bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main >> agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper >> likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. >> Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is >> rival to moon not to Jupiter. >> >> With Regards >> >> Pt. Lalkitabee >> >> V.Shukla >> Mb. 09812020001 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this >> > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There >> > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully >> > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't >> > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some >> > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected >> > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of >> > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in >> > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents >> > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I >> > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. >> > Regards. Kulbir. >> > >> > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: >> > > Respected Mahajanji, >> > > >> > > The complete line is as under : >> > > >> > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. >> > > >> > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski >> apni >> > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " >> > > >> > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and >> also >> > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else >> > > not. >> > > >> > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): >> > > >> > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will >> be >> > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed >> by >> > > the planet in H.No. 11. >> > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could >> deride >> > > father's relation with mother. >> > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, >> religious, >> > > and long life. >> > > >> > > * * >> > > * * >> > > * >> > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation >> > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. >> > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and >> > > nature of mercury in the chart. >> > > >> > > * * >> > > * * >> > > * >> > > >> > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) >> gives >> > > loss of wealth & health (short age). >> > > >> > > The best remedies suggested is >> > > 1)Piercing the nose. >> > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. >> > > >> > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned >> person >> > > in this group. >> > > >> > > * * >> > > * * >> > > * >> > > >> > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon >> > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. >> > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as >> the >> > > student. >> > > >> > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) >> indicate >> > > this possibilty. >> > > >> > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. >> > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power >> > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur >> (Tara >> > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur >> ie >> > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at >> > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by >> > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. >> > > >> > > Thankyou, >> > > Best Wishes, >> > > Vijay Goel >> > > Jaipur >> > > 09214502239. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, >> > >> >> > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki >> paidaish >> > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas >> karein.Bahut >> > >> meharbani hogi. >> > >> >> > >> MAHAJAN >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Dear Renabji, //Maine Kayi Horoscope study kiye hai jinke Budh 9th mein hai , or puchne per parents ne khud bataya ki Beta badi duayo , Guru Mahatamao or Dargah se Hasil hua hai .// " Aap ne yeh bhi pata kiya ki kya wo vyaki totlata tha " ? Did that person also has the stammering voice.? Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " renabsingh " <renabsingh wrote: > > Respected Lalkitabee ji > Your Reply is right . Maine Kayi Horoscope study kiye hai jinke Budh 9th mein hai , or puchne per parents ne khud bataya ki Beta badi duayo , Guru Mahatamao or Dargah se Hasil hua hai . Lalkitabee ji aapke jawab bahut steek hote hai or aapmein lalkitab ke bhed kholne ki shakti hai . > Aapne Kaha ki Budh is Rival to Moon but i think Budh is Rival to Jupitor . maine jaha tak read kiya hai vo ye hai ki Chander , Guru ki wife TarA per mohit hua or us sambandh se Budh Paida hua . so Budh jupitor ka rival hua na ki Chander ka . > Budh per Shodh hona chahiye , Mujhe Budh Khurafati ya kahe Chupa rustam lagta hai . Sirf Lalkitab hi Budh ke deep rahasyo ko prakat karti hai > ( Note Vedic astrology mein 9th house se Avaidh Sambandho ka pata chalta hai , per Lalkitab Budh ke hi baarey mein hi batati hai , ye topic deep research mangta hai ) > With respect and Regards > Renab Singh > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > > in the 9th house? > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > > hisaab > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > > vahaan > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 > > main > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > > There > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > > hopefully > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went > > in > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > > > apni > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > > > also > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth > > else > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > > will > > > be > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > > revealed > > > by > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > > deride > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > > religious, > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > > calculation > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > > > gives > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > > > person > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, > > moon > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him > > as > > > the > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > > indicate > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > > power > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > > > (Tara > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > > occur > > > ie > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So > > by > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > >> > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > paidaish > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > > karein.Bahut > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > >> > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Res Varun JiThere is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE JAHIR KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY MAAYNO MAIN) Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean. Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh hone par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13 maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to aisa bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee baba ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa hee hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main "paidayeesh main bhed ka matalab" kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa, kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya to baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai. Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase.Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury in the 9th house?Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry.Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'.Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na kisi tarah.Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main kuchh anokhi baat hogi "BHED" ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai.With RegardsPt. LalkitabeeV.ShuklaMb. 9812020001 , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > The first thing we should define :> > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury> in the 9th house?> > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?> > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed'> should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'.> > Could other members please share their views?> > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury> in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lalkitabee"> lalkitabee@ wrote:> >> > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> >> >> > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this> > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa> > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti> > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke> > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se> > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu> > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father> > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad> > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi-> > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman> > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically> > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh> > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti> > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere> hisaab> > se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru> > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru ,> vahaan> > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9> main> > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper> > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is> > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> >> > With Regards> >> > Pt. Lalkitabee> >> > V.Shukla> > Mb. 09812020001> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this> > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be.> There> > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall> hopefully> > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't> > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some> > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected> > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of> > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went> in> > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents> > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I> > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also.> > > Regards. Kulbir.> > >> > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > > >> > > > The complete line is as under :> > > >> > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > > >> > > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski> > apni> > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > > >> > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and> > also> > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth> else> > > > not.> > > >> > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > > >> > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition> will> > be> > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be> revealed> > by> > > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could> > deride> > > > father's relation with mother.> > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy,> > religious,> > > > and long life.> > > >> > > > * *> > > > * *> > > > *> > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical> calculation> > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and> > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > > >> > > > * *> > > > * *> > > > *> > > >> > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh)> > gives> > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > > >> > > > The best remedies suggested is> > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > > >> > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned> > person> > > > in this group.> > > >> > > > * *> > > > * *> > > > *> > > >> > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter,> moon> > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born.> > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him> as> > the> > > > student.> > > >> > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru)> > indicate> > > > this possibilty.> > > >> > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.> > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the> power> > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur> > (Tara> > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will> occur> > ie> > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at> > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So> by> > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur> > > > 09214502239.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > >>> > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> > paidaish> > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas> > karein.Bahut> > > >> meharbani hogi.> > > >>> > > >> MAHAJAN> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > >> > > --> > > Sent from my mobile device> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Res Goyal Ji Jis khana no 11 ki aap baat kar rahey hain usko bhi lalkitab main " Guru Sthan -Insaaf Ki jagah " bola gaya hai.Matlab saaf hai Guru ki tevey main kyaa haisiyat hogi khana 11 se pataa chalegaa aur tabhi budh ka faisla ho sakegaa ki tevey waley ke liye Budh mandaa hoga ya nahi , agar mandaa hua to kitna aur kis tarah se manda hogaa.Asal baat to yah hai ki Budh khud mandaa hua to baatcheet ya jabaan main kisi na kisi tarah kharabi paida karegaa ,lekin khud manda ho ya na ho to bhi Guru ko to kharab karegaa ,aur Guru ki tevey main haisiyat khana 11 kee halat se nirdharit hogi aur khana 11 bhi khali hua to - Talaabi ki teh hee nahi pataa aur seedhi (Lader) bhi gayb ho jayegi.Bus fir to Naak-chedan sabse pehley aur jaroori hogaa.Baaki sab upay baad main. With Regards Pt. Lalkitabee V.Shukla Mb.9812020001 , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Kulbirji & Suklaji, > > What is the 'bhed' behind birth is said to seen from the planet in H.NO.11 is mentioned in LK. > > Kindly elaborated this concept, how we can know the 'bhed' if Nishaniya is also present.?? > > As i have mentioned in previous post, ketu, moon and jupiter is 11th house makes the person lucky, wealthy and religious. > > Thus is mean that blessing from Guru (jupiter), Mother of lineage (moon), Saints\fakir (ketu) is coming, hence he was born. > > This is just a thought because term 'lucky' term is used, In India person is considered lucky if he is blessed. > > Thankyou, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > Mob. 9214502239. > > > > , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere hisaab > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , vahaan > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 main > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > With Regards > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > V.Shukla > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. There > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall hopefully > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went in > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > > apni > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > > also > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth else > > > > not. > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition will > > be > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be revealed > > by > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > deride > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > religious, > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical calculation > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > > gives > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > > person > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, moon > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him as > > the > > > > student. > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > indicate > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the power > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > > (Tara > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will occur > > ie > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So by > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > >> > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > paidaish > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > karein.Bahut > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > >> > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Res renab ji So much Thanx for feedback.aapki baat theek hai ,iska jikra Shree Mad-bhaagwat-Puran main bhi hai ,lekin mytholgical phrases ke mutabiq Budh moon se nafrat kartaa hai, theek usi tarah se jis tarah se ek Nazayaz aulad ko agar apne nazayaz baap ka pataa chal jaaye aur vah us nazayaz baap se nafrat karey. Astrological points are some differ. Lalkitab considers Moon as mother. With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla Mb.9812020001 , " renabsingh " <renabsingh wrote: > > Respected Lalkitabee ji > Your Reply is right . Maine Kayi Horoscope study kiye hai jinke Budh 9th mein hai , or puchne per parents ne khud bataya ki Beta badi duayo , Guru Mahatamao or Dargah se Hasil hua hai . Lalkitabee ji aapke jawab bahut steek hote hai or aapmein lalkitab ke bhed kholne ki shakti hai . > Aapne Kaha ki Budh is Rival to Moon but i think Budh is Rival to Jupitor . maine jaha tak read kiya hai vo ye hai ki Chander , Guru ki wife TarA per mohit hua or us sambandh se Budh Paida hua . so Budh jupitor ka rival hua na ki Chander ka . > Budh per Shodh hona chahiye , Mujhe Budh Khurafati ya kahe Chupa rustam lagta hai . Sirf Lalkitab hi Budh ke deep rahasyo ko prakat karti hai > ( Note Vedic astrology mein 9th house se Avaidh Sambandho ka pata chalta hai , per Lalkitab Budh ke hi baarey mein hi batati hai , ye topic deep research mangta hai ) > With respect and Regards > Renab Singh > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > > in the 9th house? > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed' > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic mercury > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 this > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili hoti > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad se > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka ketu > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & practically > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka budh > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > > hisaab > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel Guru > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > > vahaan > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9 > > main > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain this > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > > There > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > > hopefully > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth of > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents went > > in > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The parents > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition also. > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein uski > > > apni > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house and > > > also > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth > > else > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > > will > > > be > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > > revealed > > > by > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > > deride > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > > religious, > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > > calculation > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect and > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat (chamkadarh) > > > gives > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more learned > > > person > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > * * > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter, > > moon > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted him > > as > > > the > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > > indicate > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > > power > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will occur > > > (Tara > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > > occur > > > ie > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good at > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. So > > by > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru. > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > >> > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > paidaish > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > > karein.Bahut > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > >> > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Respected Lalkitabee ji, Simply superb !! Very convincing !!! I am sold to your view. Would seek your permission to include your answer in the articles to be uploaded in the files. With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee wrote:>> Res Varun Ji> There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE JAHIR> KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY> MAAYNO MAIN)> Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-> Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh hone> par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki> paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey> (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe> (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13> maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to aisa> bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee baba> ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka> janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA> AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.> > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa hee> hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main "paidayeesh main bhed ka> matalab" kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa,> kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak> Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use> milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi> jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main> budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main> kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki> budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya> mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.> Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke> makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya to> baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai.> Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase.> Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury> in the 9th house?> Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry.> Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?> Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2> > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this 'bhed'> should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'.> Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey> wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use> Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil> gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar> usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na> kisi tarah.> Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main> kuchh anokhi baat hogi "BHED" ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib> hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai.> With Regards> Pt. Lalkitabee> V.Shukla> Mb. 9812020001> , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> >> > The first thing we should define :> >> > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> >> > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> >> > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury> > in the 9th house?> >> > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage?> >> > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this> 'bhed'> > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'.> >> > Could other members please share their views?> >> > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic> mercury> > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "lalkitabee"> > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > >> > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > >> > >> > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9> this> > > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa> > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili> hoti> > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne ke> > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad> se> > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka> ketu> > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father> > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad> > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi-> > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman> > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > practically> > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka> budh> > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti> > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere> > hisaab> > > se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel> Guru> > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru ,> > vahaan> > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana 9> > main> > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper> > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is> > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > >> > > With Regards> > >> > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > >> > > V.Shukla> > > Mb. 09812020001> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , kulbir bance> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain> this> > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be.> > There> > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall> > hopefully> > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't> > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some> > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected> > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth> of> > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents> went> > in> > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The> parents> > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. I> > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition> also.> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > >> > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > > > >> > > > > The complete line is as under :> > > > >> > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > > > >> > > > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein> uski> > > apni> > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > > > >> > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house> and> > > also> > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his birth> > else> > > > > not.> > > > >> > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > > > >> > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition> > will> > > be> > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be> > revealed> > > by> > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could> > > deride> > > > > father's relation with mother.> > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy,> > > religious,> > > > > and long life.> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > > * *> > > > > *> > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical> > calculation> > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect> and> > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > > * *> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat> (chamkadarh)> > > gives> > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > > > >> > > > > The best remedies suggested is> > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > > > >> > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more> learned> > > person> > > > > in this group.> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > > * *> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of jupiter,> > moon> > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born.> > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted> him> > as> > > the> > > > > student.> > > > >> > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru)> > > indicate> > > > > this possibilty.> > > > >> > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also.> > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the> > power> > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will> occur> > > (Tara> > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will> > occur> > > ie> > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very good> at> > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking.> So> > by> > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good guru.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur> > > > > 09214502239.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > > >>> > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki> > > paidaish> > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas> > > karein.Bahut> > > > >> meharbani hogi.> > > > >>> > > > >> MAHAJAN> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Lal Kitabee Jee, Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla ho aur baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua bhee sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5 bade bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf zuban mein nukas tab kya ? MAHAJAN , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > Simply superb !! > > Very convincing !!! > > I am sold to your view. > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the articles to be > uploaded in the files. > > > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > Res Varun Ji > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA, JISKE > JAHIR > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT HOGA.(MANDEY > > MAAYNO MAIN) > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:- > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9 main Budh > hone > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise insaan ki > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba potey > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz babe > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke 13 din 13 > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee martabaa to > aisa > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa pehley hee > baba > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas tevey waley ka > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA GAYA POTAA > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA. > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi amooman betaa > hee > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main bhed ka > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi bhejtaa, > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti ka karak > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka faydaa use > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke barabar hogi > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke tevey main > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee paidayeesh main > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh saktaa, kyonki > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah ashirwaad ya > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa. > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko Guru ke > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee degaa.Nateeztan ya > to > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti hai. > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this phrase. > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic mercury > > in the 9th house? > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding this querry. > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2 > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > 'bhed' > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a 'mannat'. > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned. Lekin tevey > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke liye use > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to mauka mil > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne ka aur agar > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa kisi na > > kisi tarah. > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee paidayeesh main > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee munasib > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh hai. > > With Regards > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > > Mb. 9812020001 > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji, > > > > > > The first thing we should define : > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean. > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance? > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a malefic > mercury > > > in the 9th house? > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect parentage? > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of this > > 'bhed' > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a > 'mannat'. > > > > > > Could other members please share their views? > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of malefic > > mercury > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > lalkitabee@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of khana no. 9 > > this > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate. > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab ho saktaa > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad se mili > > hoti > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere aisa kehne > ke > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya kisi murad > > se > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke father ka > > ketu > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah father > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki fariyaad > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad hogi- > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat se amooman > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically & > > practically > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin logon ka > > budh > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee ja sakti > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh diyaa.Mere > > > hisaab > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki sabhi khel > > Guru > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6 main guru , > > > vahaan > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke ghar khana > 9 > > > main > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh main ooper > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai. > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon. So Budh is > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter. > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > Mb. 09812020001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology to explain > > this > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is meant to be. > > > There > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I shall > > > hopefully > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right bhed doesn't > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine blessing. Some > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth. Unexpected > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected sources. Birth > > of > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the parents > > went > > > in > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male child. The > > parents > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child was born. > I > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another condition > > also. > > > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under : > > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir karne mein > > uski > > > > apni > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga " > > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in 9th house > > and > > > > also > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt in his > birth > > > else > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534): > > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner condition > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9 will be > > > revealed > > > > by > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11. > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic and could > > > > deride > > > > > > father's relation with mother. > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky, wealthy, > > > > religious, > > > > > > and long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the mathematical > > > calculation > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187. > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final house effect > > and > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a bat > > (chamkadarh) > > > > gives > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age). > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose. > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated. > > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the more > > learned > > > > person > > > > > > in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son of > jupiter, > > > moon > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was born. > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury accepted > > him > > > as > > > > the > > > > > > student. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father and guru) > > > > indicate > > > > > > this possibilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning also. > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also star) is the > > > power > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind (moon) will > > occur > > > > (Tara > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of knowledge will > > > occur > > > > ie > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will be very > good > > at > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will be lacking. > > So > > > by > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become a good > guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > 09214502239. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no 9 wale ki > > > > paidaish > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka prayas > > > > karein.Bahut > > > > > >> meharbani hogi. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> MAHAJAN > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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