Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear Vijay ji, No doubt You are right He is Adopted Son, Father is no more in age of 12th year Regards Umesh Sharma , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Umeshji, > > In the given horoscope, > I have read that Rahu is 11 house is also not good for father as per LK and someone has done re-search on it. > > So please also look into this factor also. > > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > Date of Birth 09-09-1957 > > Time of Birth 15-20 > > Place of Birth- Jullunder > > > > This native Born in Dhanu Lagna > > Moon in 3rd house > > Ketu in 5th house > > Sun-Mars Mercury in 9th house > > Jupiter in 10th house > > Venus & Rahu in 11th house > > Saturn in 12th house, > > > > The person has no parental house. No comforts of Father and Grand > > parents.Whats your comments on this. > > > > thanks & regards > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun Jee & Umesh Jee, > > > > > > Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna > > chahta thaa > > > ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho > > rahe > > > they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki > > > shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon > > aisee koi > > > baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se > > mafi > > > chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne > > > vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki > > koshish kar > > > rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee. > > > > > > Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko > > kisi > > > dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss > > liye > > > explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve > > ho > > > hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee > > hai na > > > ni koi dusra. > > > > > > Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar > > mere > > > kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise > > > gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise > > > niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj > > khana > > > no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka > > janamdin > > > ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal > > unka > > > birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se > > yeh > > > dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.( > > Suraj > > > chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ). > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means > > > > barkha. > > > > > > > > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh > > means > > > > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695 > > > > > > > > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He > > suggested > > > > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean > > > > Barkha. > > > > > > > > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars > > in the > > > > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd > > > > house. > > > > > > > > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean. > > > > > > > > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the > > > > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the > > Sun is > > > > in Brikha rasi. > > > > > > > > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an > > > > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that > > is > > > > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever > > > > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is > > > > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been > > > > thinking aloud. > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee, > > > > > > > > > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai > > (Brikh) . > > > > Kulbir > > > > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha > > hai,ya > > > > hona > > > > > chahiye. > > > > > > > > > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss > > > > tarah hee > > > > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi > > paya. > > > > Abb > > > > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se > > padh > > > > kar > > > > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe). > > > > > > > > > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali > > kitab > > > > mein > > > > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee > > hogi iss > > > > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein > > yehi > > > > baat > > > > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi > > likha > > > > hai, > > > > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek) > > > > milega > > > > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se > > ki > > > > kya woh > > > > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi) > > > > > > > > > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain. > > kul > > > > kitne > > > > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo > > mein > > > > brikh > > > > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn > > > > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi > > milega > > > > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein > > barsat/rain ko > > > > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee > > ne > > > > sirf > > > > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha > > > > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area > > mein > > > > aam > > > > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein > > kulbir > > > > jee > > > > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah > > iss > > > > shabad > > > > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye. > > > > > > > > > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se > > bandri > > > > aur > > > > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya > > brikh > > > > aur > > > > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha > > bilkul nahi > > > > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana > > badh > > > > jati > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee > > sabit > > > > karegi > > > > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein. > > > > > > > > > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo > > shabad > > > > hai woh > > > > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain > > > > > BARKHA........................ > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the line being discussed : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “Mangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka > > > > > prakash > > > > > > hoga†> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word ‘brikh ka sooraj’ means the sooraj of > > > Jyeshtha > > > > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the > > sun is > > > > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of > > Jyeshtha [ > > > > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page > > 220 of > > > > 1952 > > > > > > urdu ed ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter > > cold ] > > > > > there > > > > > > is an astrological axiom which says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees > > > > > > > > > > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the > > > last 15 > > > > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would > > > > amount to > > > > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]’ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the > > rasi > > > > where > > > > > > the sun is placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the line would mean : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the > > sun > > > > shines > > > > > in > > > > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal > > Nek ka > > > > brikh > > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " > > Agar " Brikh ko > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main > > hone > > > > ka > > > > > phal > > > > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi > > tak > > > > > uljhan > > > > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda > > hota > > > > hey > > > > > > > jaisa ki likha hey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta > > hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye > > juda > > > > phal > > > > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina > > jayega? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki > > Nek > > > > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke > > sambhandh > > > > main > > > > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native > > another is > > > > for > > > > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i asked this question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal > > poochney ka > > > > > arth > > > > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, > > Sirf > > > > aur > > > > > > sirf > > > > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi > > mera > > > > > pryaas > > > > > > > hey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person > > of > > > > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh > > > > shansha > > > > > hi > > > > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon > > ka > > > > shudh > > > > > > roop > > > > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > > > > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise > > > > pahelion > > > > > > jaise > > > > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur > > > > arguements > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for > > alternative > > > > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should > > not be > > > > > taken > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > finding fault with the book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities > > and > > > > > evaluate > > > > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on > > > > discard > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise > > and > > > > we > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > not discourage it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut > > jagah par > > > > > BRAKH > > > > > > > > > likha > > > > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya > > hai > > > > na ki > > > > > > > > > jaise > > > > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala > > karna > > > > > chahte > > > > > > > > > hain > > > > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni > > > > taraf se > > > > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL > > KITAB > > > > samajh > > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > > pade > > > > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan > > nikalne ke > > > > liye > > > > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye > > bhee > > > > 1952 > > > > > > wale > > > > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) > > KO > > > > TARAZU > > > > > > > MEIN > > > > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada > > likha > > > > hai > > > > > > maine) > > > > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi > > par > > > > bandh > > > > > > > > > karta > > > > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. > > Aapke > > > > > vichar > > > > > > > > > aapko > > > > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh > > wohi > > > > jane > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > unka > > > > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre > > se > > > > sehmat > > > > > > > > > nahi to > > > > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada > > jante > > > > > > > > > hain,balki > > > > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL > > KITAB > > > > ko > > > > > > padte > > > > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon > > sirf > > > > or > > > > > > sirf > > > > > > > > > gyan > > > > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko > > kehte > > > > > hain > > > > > > > > > apne > > > > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi > > ho > > > > to ?) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Mahajan > > > > > > > > >> --- In > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji > > also > > > > as > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > , kulbir > > bance > > > > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing > > word > > > > brakh > > > > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch > > > > phal ka > > > > > > > > > hoga. Had > > > > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be > > rendered > > > > > > > > > meaningless. > > > > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus > > or > > > > khanna > > > > > > no. > > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > > > > > >> > The > > > > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more > > relevent. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Regards. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote > > > > varsha > > > > > > rain > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> > common > > > > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal > > pradesh > > > > and > > > > > > > > > punjab. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors > > and the > > > > > > imagery > > > > > > > > >> > used in > > > > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the > > > > colloquial > > > > > > > > > parlance > > > > > > > > >> > of > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, > > rainbow, > > > > > > jangal > > > > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> , > > kulbir > > > > bance > > > > > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, > > imagery, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we > > have > > > > come > > > > > > > > > across > > > > > > > > >> > some > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither > > jungle > > > > nor > > > > > > brakh > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >> > to > > > > > > > > >> > > >> be > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much > > mean > > > > > > brakha. > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > >> > it > > > > > > > > >> > > >> fits > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal > > meaning of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > phrase is > > > > > > > > >> > to > > > > > > > > >> > > >> be > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > , > > > > kulbir > > > > > > bance > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle > > should > > > > also > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and > > > > cold in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a > > rainbow > > > > > > emerges. > > > > > > > > > Nau > > > > > > > > >> > hi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd > > house, > > > > [which > > > > > I > > > > > > > > >> > personally > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > take > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > --- In > > , > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > bance > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and > > imagery > > > > can the > > > > > > > > > brakh > > > > > > > > >> > mean > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same > > > > meaning > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > jangal > > > > > > > > >> > me > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur > > views > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > >> > Respect and > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal > > > nek > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > brakh > > > > > > > > >> mein > > > > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > > > > > hoga�� > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > 1942 > > > > > > > > >> urdu > > > > > > > > >> > ed ; > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > > > > > > > ‘ka’; > > > > > > > > >> this means > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one > > says > > > > > > > > >> ‘bhagya ka > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as > > > 'mangal > > > > > > nek > > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > >> sooraj > > > > > > > > >> > > >> brakh > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is > > used > > > > as a > > > > > > > > >> > metaphor and > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > not > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would > > mean > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> > destiny > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > will > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has > > risen > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > brakh > > > > > > > > >> > [ 2nd > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd > > > > house ]. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in > > the > > > > 9th, > > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > >> > not > > > > > > > > >> > > >> be > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed > > in the > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > >> > therefore my > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz > > of > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > the sun > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter > > makes > > > > the > > > > > > > > > imagery > > > > > > > > >> > all > > > > > > > > >> > > >> the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn > > 9th > > > > and > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. > > This is > > > > > inter- > > > > > > > > >> > planetary > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through > > out in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > book. In > > > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > book > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in > > > > relation > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the > > 9th > > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > that of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds > > from > > > > the > > > > > > ocean > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >> 9th > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > go > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the > > 2nd and > > > > > > > > > precipitate > > > > > > > > >> > in > > > > > > > > >> > > >> the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > , " vishalastrologer " > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR > > ASAR 2 > > > > > DETA > > > > > > HO > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI > > GUNA 9 > > > > HOTA > > > > > HO > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> 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dost > > hai.lal > > > > kitab > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > >> > farmaan > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939) > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi > > > > suraj,mangal > > > > > badh > > > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > >> > ghar(8) > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > me > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi > > manege.yani > > > > > mangal > > > > > > ko > > > > > > > > > jab > > > > > > > > >> > > >> suraj > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to > > > > mangal > > > > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se > > sambhand > > > > ki > > > > > yeh > > > > > > > > > doosri > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > example > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya > > > > sambhand > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > abi tak > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE > > > > SAMUNDAR SE > > > > > > HAWA > > > > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME > > > > WARSHA > > > > > KARE > > > > > > > > > GI) > > > > > > > > >> > magar > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye > > yeh > > > > baat > > > > > > > adhoori > > > > > > > > >> > samajh > > > > > > > > >> > > >> me > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic > > proper > > > > > maloom > > > > > > ho > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > > >> please > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma > > > > hai.bus hum > > > > > > > > > sabhi > > > > > > > > >> > ko ek > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne > > > > thoda sa > > > > > > > gyan > > > > > > > > >> > bakhsha > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > to > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha > > > > dikhaye.ho > > > > > > > > > sakta > > > > > > > > >> > hai jo > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is > > > > master in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > >> > world > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test > > > > anyone,ho > > > > > > sako > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT > > RAHE > > > > HAI > > > > > > APNE > > > > > > > > >> > SANATAN > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE > > HAI. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > > > > > > > > >> > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars > > placed > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > >> > house > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > will > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results > > of the > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > >> > in the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar > > example > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > >> > > >> where > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will > > > > accrue > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi > > thaa jo > > > > aap > > > > > > > nikal > > > > > > > > >> > rahe > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar > > > > dega.balki > > > > > > yeh > > > > > > > > >> > thaa ki > > > > > > > > >> > > >> 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Then do > > you > > > > mean to > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > >> > that the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the > > 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > >> > over? > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that > > the > > > > mars > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the 9th > > > > > > > > >> > > >> will > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > be > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak > > makes > > > > his > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > >> > Sun > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in > > the 9th > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > >> > turn > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, > > > > apart > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > things, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a > > Mars > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> > the 9th > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the > > Sun in > > > > the > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > >> > house the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na > > guru > > > > pradhan > > > > > > ho > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor > > duniya > > > > daan > > > > > ko > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified > > if > > > > the > > > > > mars > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> > the 9th > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said > > that the > > > > Mars > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > >> > behave > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > like > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > , > > > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan > > par > > > > brikh > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > >> > matlab > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka > > asar > > > > hota > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > >> > vaise > > > > > > > > >> > > >> hee > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa > > hee > > > > asar > > > > > > hoga > > > > > > > > > (nek > > > > > > > > >> > > >> mayno > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein) > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars > > > > placed in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > >> > > >> house, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > a > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is > > used in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > context > > > > > > > > >> > of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the > > burza > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Jupiter [ > > > > > > > > >> > mount > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the > > line > > > > would > > > > > > > > > mean : > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house > > > > would > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> > as if > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz > > [ > > > > mount] > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> > Jupiter. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > 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