Help : Sh. Mahajan Ji

March 2, 2009

Respected Mahajan ji,

Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

barkha.

I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh means

the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He suggested

that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

Barkha.

You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars in the

9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

house.

Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the Sun is

in Brikha rasi.

Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that is

Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

thinking aloud.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " heartzthief54 "

<heartzthief54 wrote:

>

> Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

>

> Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai (Brikh) .

Kulbir

> jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha hai,ya

hona

> chahiye.

>

> Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss

tarah hee

> likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi paya.

Abb

> vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se padh

kar

> unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

>

> 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali kitab

mein

> thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee hogi iss

> liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein yehi

baat

> kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi likha

hai,

> jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

>

> 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek)

milega

> yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se ki

kya woh

> shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

>

> 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain. kul

kitne

> page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo mein

brikh

> shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

> 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi milega

> kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein barsat/rain ko

> MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee ne

sirf

> khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

> thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area mein

aam

> bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein kulbir

jee

> ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah iss

shabad

> ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

>

> 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se bandri

aur

> khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya brikh

aur

> barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha bilkul nahi

> janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana badh

jati

> hai.

>

> kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee sabit

karegi

> pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.

>

> isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo shabad

hai woh

> brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

> BARKHA........................

>

> MAHAJAN

>

> , " "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

> >

> > In the line being discussed :

> >

> > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka

> prakash

> > hogaâ€

> >

> > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of Jyeshtha

> > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the sun is

> > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of Jyeshtha [

> > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page 220 of

1952

> > urdu ed ]

> >

> > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter cold ]

> there

> > is an astrological axiom which says:

> >

> > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

> >

> > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

> >

> > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the last 15

> > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would

amount to

> > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™

> >

> > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the rasi

where

> > the sun is placed.

> >

> > Therefore the line would mean :

> >

> > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun

shines

> in

> > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.

> >

> > God bless you,

> >

> > Bhooshan Priya

> >

> > , " Umesh Sharma "

> > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

> > >

> > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka

brikh

> > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko

> rashi

> > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone

ka

> phal

> > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak

> uljhan

> > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

> > >

> > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota

hey

> > > jaisa ki likha hey

> > >

> > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,

> > >

> > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda

phal

> > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?

> > >

> > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek

> > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh

main

> > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " .

> > >

> > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is

for

> > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

> > >

> > > So i asked this question

> > >

> > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards

> > >

> > > Umesh Sharma

> > >

> > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka

> arth

> > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf

aur

> > sirf

> > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera

> pryaas

> > > hey.

> > >

> > > , kulbir bance

> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of

> > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh

shansha

> hi

> > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka

shudh

> > roop

> > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

> > > >

> > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur

> > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise

pahelion

> > jaise

> > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur

arguements

> > with

> > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

> > > >

> > > > Repards.

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir.

> > > >

> > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative

> > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be

> taken

> > as

> > > > > finding fault with the book.

> > > > >

> > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and

> evaluate

> > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on

discard

> > them.

> > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and

we

> > should

> > > > > not discourage it.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par

> BRAKH

> > > > > likha

> > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai

na ki

> > > > > jaise

> > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna

> chahte

> > > > > hain

> > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni

taraf se

> > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB

samajh

> > ke

> > > > > pade

> > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke

liye

> > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee

1952

> > wale

> > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO

TARAZU

> > > MEIN

> > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha

hai

> > maine)

> > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par

bandh

> > > > > karta

> > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke

> vichar

> > > > > aapko

> > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi

jane

> > ya

> > > > > unka

> > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se

sehmat

> > > > > nahi to

> > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante

> > > > > hain,balki

> > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB

ko

> > padte

> > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf

or

> > sirf

> > > > > gyan

> > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte

> hain

> > > > > apne

> > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho

to ?)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Mahajan

> > > > >> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also

as

> to

> > > > > what

> > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > , kulbir bance

> > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Varun ji,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word

brakh

> > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch

phal ka

> > > > > hoga. Had

> > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered

> > > > > meaningless.

> > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or

khanna

> > no.

> > > > > 2.

> > > > >> > The

> > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Regards.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Kulbir.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote

varsha

> > rain

> > > > > in

> > > > >> > common

> > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh

and

> > > > > punjab.

> > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the

> > imagery

> > > > >> > used in

> > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the

colloquial

> > > > > parlance

> > > > >> > of

> > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow,

> > jangal

> > > > > mein

> > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >> , kulbir

bance

> > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,

> > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have

come

> > > > > across

> > > > >> > some

> > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle

nor

> > brakh

> > > > > have

> > > > >> > to

> > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean

> > brakha.

> > > > > And

> > > > >> > it

> > > > >> > > >> fits

> > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of

the

> > > > > phrase is

> > > > >> > to

> > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > >>> > ,

kulbir

> > bance

> > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should

also

> > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

cold in

> > the

> > > > > same

> > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow

> > emerges.

> > > > > Nau

> > > > >> > hi

> > > > >> > > >>> > grah

> > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,

[which

> I

> > > > >> > personally

> > > > >> > > >>> > take

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

kulbir

> > > > > bance

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery

can the

> > > > > brakh

> > > > >> > mean

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

meaning

> as

> > > > > jangal

> > > > >> > me

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views

> also.

> > > > >> > Respect and

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek

> > ka

> > > brakh

> > > > >> mein

> > > > >> > > >> sooraj

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

> hogaï¿½ï¿½

> > [

> > > 1942

> > > > >> urdu

> > > > >> > ed ;

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word

> > > â€˜kaâ€™;

> > > > >> this means

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says

> > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as 'mangal

> > nek

> > > ka

> > > > >> sooraj

> > > > >> > > >> brakh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used

as a

> > > > >> > metaphor and

> > > > >> > > >>> > not

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean

that

> > the

> > > > >> > destiny

> > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen

in

> the

> > > > > brakh

> > > > >> > [ 2nd

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

house ].

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the

9th,

> and

> > it

> > > > > can

> > > > >> > not

> > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the

2nd

> > > > >> > therefore my

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of

> Jupiter,

> > > and

> > > > >> > the sun

> > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes

the

> > > > > imagery

> > > > >> > all

> > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > more

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th

and

> > being

> > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is

> inter-

> > > > >> > planetary

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in

the

> > > > > book. In

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> > book

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in

relation

> to

> > > > > other

> > > > >> > > >>> > planetary

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th

would

> be

> > > > > that of

> > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from

the

> > ocean

> > > > > of

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > >> 9th

> > > > >> > > >>> > go

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > and

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and

> > > > > precipitate

> > > > >> > in

> > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

> > > > >> > > >>

, " vishalastrologer "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2

> DETA

> > HO

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9

HOTA

> HO

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka

dusre

> > > > > shukar se

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar

hai

> ki

> > 9

> > > > >> > ghar ka

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

jahan tak

> > > > > maine

> > > > >> > > >> samjhne

> > > > >> > > >>> > ki

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

shani ki

> > > > > mashooka

> > > > >> > (YEH

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki

> takat

> > > > > barata

> > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal

kitab

> ke

> > > > >> > farmaan

> > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

suraj,mangal

> badh

> > > ke

> > > > >> > ghar(8)

> > > > >> > > >>> > me

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani

> mangal

> > ko

> > > > > jab

> > > > >> > > >> suraj

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

mangal

> > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

> > > > >> > > >>> > nek

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand

ki

> yeh

> > > > > doosri

> > > > >> > > >>> > example

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

sambhand

> hai

> > > > > abi tak

> > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

SAMUNDAR SE

> > HAWA

> > > > >> > CHAL KAR

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

WARSHA

> KARE

> > > > > GI)

> > > > >> > magar

> > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh

baat

> > > adhoori

> > > > >> > samajh

> > > > >> > > >> me

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper

> maloom

> > ho

> > > > > to

> > > > >> > > >> please

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

hai.bus hum

> > > > > sabhi

> > > > >> > ko ek

> > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

thoda sa

> > > gyan

> > > > >> > bakhsha

> > > > >> > > >>> > hai

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > to

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

dikhaye.ho

> > > > > sakta

> > > > >> > hai jo

> > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

master in

> > > this

> > > > >> > world

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test

anyone,ho

> > sako

> > > > > to

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE

HAI

> > APNE

> > > > >> > SANATAN

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

> > > > >> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed

in

> the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > >> > house

> > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > give

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the

sun

> > > > > placed

> > > > >> > in the

> > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example

from

> > the

> > > > > book

> > > > >> > > >> where

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will

accrue

> and

> > > > > not

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> > > > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo

aap

> > > nikal

> > > > >> > rahe

> > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

dega.balki

> > yeh

> > > > >> > thaa ki

> > > > >> > > >> jo

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee

mangal

> 9

> > > > > wale ko

> > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2

ke

> > mandi

> > > > >> > halat ke

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein

hoga

> to

> > > yeh

> > > > >> > dekhna

> > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi

halat

> > ka

> > > > > phal

> > > > >> > de

> > > > >> > > >>> > raha

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal

kis

> > halat

> > > > > ka

> > > > >> > phal

> > > > >> > > >> de

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe

hain to

> > yeh

> > > > >> > sone pe

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

aadaton

> se

> > > > >> > mazboor ho

> > > > >> > > >> ke

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi

kar

> > pata

> > > > > ya

> > > > >> > unhe

> > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

> > > halat(nishaniya)

> > > > >> > dekh

> > > > >> > > >> kar

> > > > >> > > >>> > hee

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis

> jagah

> > > > > par hai

> > > > >> > > >> unko

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha

hai ki

> > aap

> > > > > meri

> > > > >> > baat

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> > > > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I

would

> > > > > love to

> > > > >> > hear

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the

9th

> > house

> > > > > give

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th

> house

> > > > > and

> > > > >> > at the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you

mean to

> > say

> > > > >> > that the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd

house

> > twice

> > > > >> > over?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the

mars

> in

> > > > > the 9th

> > > > >> > > >> will

> > > > >> > > >>> > be

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > like

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes

his

> 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > >> > Sun

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th

> will

> > > > > also

> > > > >> > turn

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

apart

> from

> > > > > other

> > > > >> > > >>> > things,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars

> placed

> > > in

> > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in

the

> > 2nd

> > > > >> > house the

> > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru

pradhan

> > ho

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya

daan

> ko

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if

the

> mars

> > > in

> > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the

Mars

> > > will

> > > > >> > behave

> > > > >> > > >>> > like

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

> " heartzthief54 "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par

brikh

> > ka

> > > > >> > matlab

> > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar

hota

> > hai

> > > > >> > vaise

> > > > >> > > >> hee

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee

asar

> > hoga

> > > > > (nek

> > > > >> > > >> mayno

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> > > > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

placed in

> > the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > >> > > >> house,

> > > > >> > > >>> > a

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in

the

> > > > > context

> > > > >> > of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza

of

> > > > > Jupiter [

> > > > >> > mount

> > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line

would

> > > > > mean :

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

would

> > result

> > > > > in

> > > > >> > as if

> > > > >> > > >>> > the

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [

mount]

> of

> > > > >> > Jupiter.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > >> > > >> , " Umesh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this

> word

> > > > > which

> > > > >> > is

> > > > >> > > >>> > used in

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9

Page

> 168

> > > > > Line

> > > > >> > No.

> > > > >> > > >> 17 "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

kismat

> ka

> > > > > prakash

> > > > >> > > >> hoga "

> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> --

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >> --

> > > > >> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>> --

> > > > >> > > >>> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > >> > > >>

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > --

> > > > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > --

> > > > >> > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 3, 2009

Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna chahta thaa ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho rahe they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon aisee koi baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se mafi chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki koshish kar rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko kisi dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss liye explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve ho hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee hai na ni koi dusra.

Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar mere kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj khana no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka janamdin ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal unka birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se yeh dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.( Suraj chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

MAHAJAN

, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Mahajan ji,> > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means > barkha. > > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh means > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695> > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He suggested > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean > Barkha.> > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars in the > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd > house.> > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.> > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the Sun is > in Brikha rasi.> > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that is > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about. > > > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been > thinking aloud.> > > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > , "heartzthief54" > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,> > > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai (Brikh) . > Kulbir> > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha hai,ya > hona> > chahiye.> > > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss > tarah hee> > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi paya. > Abb> > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se padh > kar> > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).> > > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali kitab > mein> > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee hogi iss> > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein yehi > baat> > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi likha > hai,> > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.> > > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek) > milega> > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se ki > kya woh> > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)> > > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain. kul > kitne> > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo mein > brikh> > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn> > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi milega> > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein barsat/rain ko> > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee ne > sirf> > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha> > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area mein > aam> > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein kulbir > jee> > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah iss > shabad> > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.> > > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se bandri > aur> > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya brikh > aur> > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha bilkul nahi> > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana badh > jati> > hai.> > > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee sabit > karegi> > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.> > > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo shabad > hai woh> > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain> > BARKHA........................> > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > > , ""> > <@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun> > >> > >> > >> > > In the line being discussed :> > >> > >> > >> > > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka> > prakash> > > hogaâ€> > >> > >> > >> > > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of Jyeshtha> > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the sun is> > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of Jyeshtha [> > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page 220 of > 1952> > > urdu ed ]> > >> > >> > >> > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter cold ]> > there> > > is an astrological axiom which says:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees> > >> > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees> > >> > >> > >> > > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the last 15> > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would > amount to> > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™> > >> > >> > >> > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the rasi > where> > > the sun is placed.> > >> > >> > >> > > Therefore the line would mean :> > >> > >> > >> > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun > shines> > in> > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.> > >> > >> > >> > > God bless you,> > >> > >> > >> > > Bhooshan Priya> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Umesh Sharma"> > > mudit982001@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,> > > >> > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka > brikh> > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko> > rashi> > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone > ka> > phal> > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak> > uljhan> > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota > hey> > > > jaisa ki likha hey> > > >> > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> > > >> > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda > phal> > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> > > >> > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh > main> > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> > > >> > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is > for> > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> > > >> > > > So i asked this question> > > >> > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards> > > >> > > >> > > > Umesh Sharma> > > >> > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka> > arth> > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf > aur> > > sirf> > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera> > pryaas> > > > hey.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , kulbir bance> > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Varun ji,> > > > >> > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh > shansha> > hi> > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka > shudh> > > roop> > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.> > > > >> > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise > pahelion> > > jaise> > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur > arguements> > > with> > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> > > > >> > > > > Repards.> > > > >> > > > > Kulbir.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be> > taken> > > as> > > > > > finding fault with the book.> > > > > >> > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and> > evaluate> > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on > discard> > > them.> > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and > we> > > should> > > > > > not discourage it.> > > > > >> > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par> > BRAKH> > > > > > likha> > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai > na ki> > > > > > jaise> > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna> > chahte> > > > > > hain> > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni > taraf se> > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB > samajh> > > ke> > > > > > pade> > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke > liye> > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee > 1952> > > wale> > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO > TARAZU> > > > MEIN> > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha > hai> > > maine)> > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par > bandh> > > > > > karta> > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke> > vichar> > > > > > aapko> > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi > jane> > > ya> > > > > > unka> > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se > sehmat> > > > > > nahi to> > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> > > > > > hain,balki> > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB > ko> > > padte> > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf > or> > > sirf> > > > > > gyan> > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte> > hain> > > > > > apne> > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho > to ?)> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Mahajan> > > > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also > as> > to> > > > > > what> > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Regards,> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > , kulbir bance> > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > Varun ji,> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word > brakh> > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch > phal ka> > > > > > hoga. Had> > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > > > > > meaningless.> > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or > khanna> > > no.> > > > > > 2.> > > > > >> > The> > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > Regards.> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > Kulbir.> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote > varsha> > > rain> > > > > > in> > > > > >> > common> > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh > and> > > > > > punjab.> > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the> > > imagery> > > > > >> > used in> > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the > colloquial> > > > > > parlance> > > > > >> > of> > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow,> > > jangal> > > > > > mein> > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >> , kulbir > bance> > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have > come> > > > > > across> > > > > >> > some> > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle > nor> > > brakh> > > > > > have> > > > > >> > to> > > > > >> > > >> be> > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean> > > brakha.> > > > > > And> > > > > >> > it> > > > > >> > > >> fits> > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of > the> > > > > > phrase is> > > > > >> > to> > > > > >> > > >> be> > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > >>> > , > kulbir> > > bance> > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should > also> > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and > cold in> > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow> > > emerges.> > > > > > Nau> > > > > >> > hi> > > > > >> > > >>> > grah> > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, > [which> > I> > > > > >> > personally> > > > > >> > > >>> > take> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > , > kulbir> > > > > > bance> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery > can the> > > > > > brakh> > > > > >> > mean> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same > meaning> > as> > > > > > jangal> > > > > >> > me> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views> > also.> > > > > >> > Respect and> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek> > > ka> > > > brakh> > > > > >> mein> > > > > >> > > >> sooraj> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash> > hogaï¿½ï¿½> > > [> > > > 1942> > > > > >> urdu> > > > > >> > ed ;> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> > > > â€˜kaâ€™;> > > > > >> this means> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> > > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as 'mangal> > > nek> > > > ka> > > > > >> sooraj> > > > > >> > > >> brakh> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used > as a> > > > > >> > metaphor and> > > > > >> > > >>> > not> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean > that> > > the> > > > > >> > destiny> > > > > >> > > >>> > will> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen > in> > the> > > > > > brakh> > > > > >> > [ 2nd> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd > house ].> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the > 9th,> > and> > > it> > > > > > can> > > > > >> > not> > > > > >> > > >> be> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the > 2nd> > > > > >> > therefore my> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of> > Jupiter,> > > > and> > > > > >> > the sun> > > > > >> > > >>> > of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes > the> > > > > > imagery> > > > > >> > all> > > > > >> > > >> the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th > and> > > being> > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is> > inter-> > > > > >> > planetary> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in > the> > > > > > book. In> > > > > >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> > book> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in > relation> > to> > > > > > other> > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th > would> > be> > > > > > that of> > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from > the> > > ocean> > > > > > of> > > > > >> > the> > > > > >> > > >> 9th> > > > > >> > > >>> > go> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and> > > > > > precipitate> > > > > >> > in> > > > > >> > > >> the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In> > > > > >> 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>> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In> > > > > >> > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed > in> > the> > > > > > 9th> > > > > >> > house> > > > > >> > > >>> > will> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the > sun> > > > > > placed> > > > > >> > in the> > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example > from> > > the> > > > > > book> > > > > >> > > >> where> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will > accrue> > and> > > > > > not> > > > > >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In> > > > > >> > > >> , "heartzthief54"> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo > aap> > > > nikal> > > > > >> > rahe> > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar > dega.balki> > > yeh> > > > > >> > thaa ki> > > > > >> > > >> jo> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee > mangal> > 9> > > > > > wale ko> > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 > ke> > > mandi> > > > > >> > halat ke> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein > hoga> > to> > > > yeh> > > > > >> > dekhna> > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi > halat> > > ka> > > > > > phal> > > > > >> > de> > > > > >> > > >>> > raha> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal > kis> > > halat> > > > > > ka> > > > > >> > phal> > > > > >> > > >> de> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe > hain to> > > yeh> > > > > >> > sone pe> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni > aadaton> > se> > > > > >> > mazboor ho> > > > > >> > > >> ke> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi > kar> > > pata> > > > > > ya> > > > > >> > unhe> > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee> > > > halat(nishaniya)> > > > > >> > dekh> > > > > >> > > >> kar> > > > > >> > > >>> > hee> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis> > jagah> > > > > > par hai> > > > > >> > > >> unko> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha > hai ki> > > aap> > > > > > meri> > > > > >> > baat> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In> > > > > >> > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I > would> > > > > > love to> > > > > >> > hear> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the > 9th> > > house> > > > > > give> > > > > >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th> > house> > > > > > and> > > > > >> > at the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you > mean to> > > say> > > > > >> > that the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd > house> > > twice> > > > > >> > over?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the > mars> > in> > > > > > the 9th> > > > > >> > > >> will> > > > > >> > > >>> > be> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes > his> > 2nd> > > > > > house> > > > > >> > Sun> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th> > will> > > > > > also> > > > > >> > turn> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, > apart> > from> > > > > > other> > > > > >> > > >>> > things,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars> > placed> > > > in> > > > > >> > the 9th> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in > the> > > 2nd> > > > > >> > house the> > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru > pradhan> > > ho> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya > daan> > ko> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if > the> > mars> > > > in> > > > > >> > the 9th> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the > Mars> > > > will> > > > > >> > behave> > > > > >> > > >>> > like> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,> > "heartzthief54"> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par > brikh> > > ka> > > > > >> > matlab> > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar > hota> > > hai> > > > > >> > vaise> > > > > >> > > >> hee> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee > asar> > > hoga> > > > > > (nek> > > > > >> > > >> mayno> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In> > > > > >> > > >>> > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars > placed in> > > the> > > > > > 9th> > > > > >> > > >> house,> > > > > >> > > >>> > a> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in > the> > > > > > context> > > > > >> > of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza > of> > > > > > Jupiter [> > > > > >> > mount> > > > > >> > > >>> > of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line > would> > > > > > mean :> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house > would> > > result> > > > > > in> > > > > >> > as if> > > > > >> > > >>> > the> > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ > mount]> > of> > > > > >> > Jupiter.> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > 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March 3, 2009

Dear Mahajan ji,

You have said a very important point which I had forgotton to mention

when you say :

" ya shayad aap unnka janamdin ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check

kar sakte hain ki har saal unka birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina

kaise gujrata hai. "

You are right, it will be not only the hindi month of Jyeshtha, but

the native's second month from birth according to hindi caledar which

might also be beneficially influenced.

God bless you,

Bhooshan Priya

, " heartzthief54 "

<heartzthief54 wrote:

>

> Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

>

> Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna chahta

thaa

> ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho

rahe

> they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki

> shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon aisee

koi

> baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se

mafi

> chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne

> vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki koshish

kar

> rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

>

> Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko

kisi

> dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss

liye

> explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve

ho

> hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee hai

na

> ni koi dusra.

>

> Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar

mere

> kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise

> gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise

> niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj

khana

> no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka

janamdin

> ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal unka

> birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se

yeh

> dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.(

Suraj

> chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

>

> MAHAJAN

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >

> > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

> > barkha.

> >

> > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh means

> > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

> >

> > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He suggested

> > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

> > Barkha.

> >

> > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars in

the

> > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

> > house.

> >

> > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

> >

> > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

> > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the Sun

is

> > in Brikha rasi.

> >

> > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

> > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that

is

> > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

> >

> > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

> > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

> > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

> > thinking aloud.

> >

> > With respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " heartzthief54 "

> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

> > >

> > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai

(Brikh) .

> > Kulbir

> > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha

hai,ya

> > hona

> > > chahiye.

> > >

> > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss

> > tarah hee

> > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi

paya.

> > Abb

> > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se

padh

> > kar

> > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

> > >

> > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali

kitab

> > mein

> > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee

hogi iss

> > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein

yehi

> > baat

> > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi

likha

> > hai,

> > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

> > >

> > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek)

> > milega

> > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se ki

> > kya woh

> > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

> > >

> > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain.

kul

> > kitne

> > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo

mein

> > brikh

> > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

> > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi

milega

> > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein

barsat/rain ko

> > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee ne

> > sirf

> > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

> > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area

mein

> > aam

> > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein

kulbir

> > jee

> > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah iss

> > shabad

> > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

> > >

> > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se

bandri

> > aur

> > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya

brikh

> > aur

> > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha bilkul

nahi

> > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana

badh

> > jati

> > > hai.

> > >

> > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee sabit

> > karegi

> > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.

> > >

> > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo shabad

> > hai woh

> > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

> > > BARKHA........................

> > >

> > > MAHAJAN

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > <@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

> > > >

> > > > In the line being discussed :

> > > >

> > > > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka

> > > prakash

> > > > hogaâ€

> > > >

> > > > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of

> Jyeshtha

> > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the

sun is

> > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of

Jyeshtha [

> > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page

220 of

> > 1952

> > > > urdu ed ]

> > > >

> > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter

cold ]

> > > there

> > > > is an astrological axiom which says:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

> > > >

> > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

> > > >

> > > > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the

> last 15

> > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would

> > amount to

> > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™

> > > >

> > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the

rasi

> > where

> > > > the sun is placed.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore the line would mean :

> > > >

> > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun

> > shines

> > > in

> > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.

> > > >

> > > > God bless you,

> > > >

> > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > >

> > > > , " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek

ka

> > brikh

> > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga "

Agar " Brikh ko

> > > rashi

> > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main

hone

> > ka

> > > phal

> > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi

tak

> > > uljhan

> > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda

hota

> > hey

> > > > > jaisa ki likha hey

> > > > >

> > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,

> > > > >

> > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye

juda

> > phal

> > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina

jayega?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki

Nek

> > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke

sambhandh

> > main

> > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native

another is

> > for

> > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

> > > > >

> > > > > So i asked this question

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > >

> > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal

poochney ka

> > > arth

> > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon,

Sirf

> > aur

> > > > sirf

> > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi

mera

> > > pryaas

> > > > > hey.

> > > > >

> > > > > , kulbir bance

> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of

> > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh

> > shansha

> > > hi

> > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon

ka

> > shudh

> > > > roop

> > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur

> > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise

> > pahelion

> > > > jaise

> > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur

> > arguements

> > > > with

> > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Repards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for

alternative

> > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should

not be

> > > taken

> > > > as

> > > > > > > finding fault with the book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities

and

> > > evaluate

> > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on

> > discard

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise

and

> > we

> > > > should

> > > > > > > not discourage it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah

par

> > > BRAKH

> > > > > > > likha

> > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya

hai

> > na ki

> > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala

karna

> > > chahte

> > > > > > > hain

> > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni

> > taraf se

> > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL

KITAB

> > samajh

> > > > ke

> > > > > > > pade

> > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan

nikalne ke

> > liye

> > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye

bhee

> > 1952

> > > > wale

> > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG)

KO

> > TARAZU

> > > > > MEIN

> > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada

likha

> > hai

> > > > maine)

> > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi

par

> > bandh

> > > > > > > karta

> > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon.

Aapke

> > > vichar

> > > > > > > aapko

> > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh

wohi

> > jane

> > > > ya

> > > > > > > unka

> > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre

se

> > sehmat

> > > > > > > nahi to

> > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada

jante

> > > > > > > hain,balki

> > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL

KITAB

> > ko

> > > > padte

> > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon

sirf

> > or

> > > > sirf

> > > > > > > gyan

> > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko

kehte

> > > hain

> > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi

ho

> > to ?)

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Mahajan

> > > > > > >> --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji

also

> > as

> > > to

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > , kulbir

bance

> > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word

> > brakh

> > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch

> > phal ka

> > > > > > > hoga. Had

> > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be

rendered

> > > > > > > meaningless.

> > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus

or

> > khanna

> > > > no.

> > > > > > > 2.

> > > > > > >> > The

> > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more

relevent.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Regards.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote

> > varsha

> > > > rain

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > common

> > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal

pradesh

> > and

> > > > > > > punjab.

> > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors

and the

> > > > imagery

> > > > > > >> > used in

> > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the

> > colloquial

> > > > > > > parlance

> > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun,

rainbow,

> > > > jangal

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> ,

kulbir

> > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors,

imagery,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we

have

> > come

> > > > > > > across

> > > > > > >> > some

> > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither

jungle

> > nor

> > > > brakh

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much

mean

> > > > brakha.

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > >> > it

> > > > > > >> > > >> fits

> > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning

of

> > the

> > > > > > > phrase is

> > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ,

> > kulbir

> > > > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle

should

> > also

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

> > cold in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a

rainbow

> > > > emerges.

> > > > > > > Nau

> > > > > > >> > hi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,

> > [which

> > > I

> > > > > > >> > personally

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > take

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > --- In

,

> > kulbir

> > > > > > > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery

> > can the

> > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> > mean

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

> > meaning

> > > as

> > > > > > > jangal

> > > > > > >> > me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur

views

> > > also.

> > > > > > >> > Respect and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal

> nek

> > > > ka

> > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> mein

> > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

> > > hogaï¿½ï¿½

> > > > [

> > > > > 1942

> > > > > > >> urdu

> > > > > > >> > ed ;

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word

> > > > > â€˜kaâ€™;

> > > > > > >> this means

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one

says

> > > > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as

> 'mangal

> > > > nek

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > >> > > >> brakh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is

used

> > as a

> > > > > > >> > metaphor and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > not

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would

mean

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > destiny

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has

risen

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> > [ 2nd

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

> > house ].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the

> > 9th,

> > > and

> > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in

the

> > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > therefore my

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of

> > > Jupiter,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > the sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter

makes

> > the

> > > > > > > imagery

> > > > > > >> > all

> > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn

9th

> > and

> > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example.

This is

> > > inter-

> > > > > > >> > planetary

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through

out in

> > the

> > > > > > > book. In

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > book

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in

> > relation

> > > to

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > > > that of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds

from

> > the

> > > > ocean

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >> 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > go

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd

and

> > > > > > > precipitate

> > > > > > >> > in

> > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > , " vishalastrologer "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR

ASAR 2

> > > DETA

> > > > HO

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI

GUNA 9

> > HOTA

> > > HO

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka

> > dusre

> > > > > > > shukar se

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me

jikar

> > hai

> > > ki

> > > > 9

> > > > > > >> > ghar ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

> > jahan tak

> > > > > > > maine

> > > > > > >> > > >> samjhne

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

> > shani ki

> > > > > > > mashooka

> > > > > > >> > (YEH

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani

sani ki

> > > takat

> > > > > > > barata

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost

hai.lal

> > kitab

> > > ke

> > > > > > >> > farmaan

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

> > suraj,mangal

> > > badh

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > >> > ghar(8)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi

manege.yani

> > > mangal

> > > > ko

> > > > > > > jab

> > > > > > >> > > >> suraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se

sambhand

> > ki

> > > yeh

> > > > > > > doosri

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > example

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

> > sambhand

> > > hai

> > > > > > > abi tak

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

> > SAMUNDAR SE

> > > > HAWA

> > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

> > WARSHA

> > > KARE

> > > > > > > GI)

> > > > > > >> > magar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh

> > baat

> > > > > adhoori

> > > > > > >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >> me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic

proper

> > > maloom

> > > > ho

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> please

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

> > hai.bus hum

> > > > > > > sabhi

> > > > > > >> > ko ek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

> > thoda sa

> > > > > gyan

> > > > > > >> > bakhsha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

> > dikhaye.ho

> > > > > > > sakta

> > > > > > >> > hai jo

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

> > master in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> > world

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test

> > anyone,ho

> > > > sako

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT

RAHE

> > HAI

> > > > APNE

> > > > > > >> > SANATAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE

HAI.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

> > > > > > >> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars

placed

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of

the

> > sun

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > >> > in the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar

example

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > book

> > > > > > >> > > >> where

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will

> > accrue

> > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

, " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi

thaa jo

> > aap

> > > > > nikal

> > > > > > >> > rahe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

> > dega.balki

> > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > thaa ki

> > > > > > >> > > >> jo

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee

> > mangal

> > > 9

> > > > > > > wale ko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee

suraj 2

> > ke

> > > > mandi

> > > > > > >> > halat ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2

mein

> > hoga

> > > to

> > > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > dekhna

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj

mandi

> > halat

> > > > ka

> > > > > > > phal

> > > > > > >> > de

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > raha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein

mangal

> > kis

> > > > halat

> > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > >> > phal

> > > > > > >> > > >> de

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe

> > hain to

> > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > sone pe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

> > aadaton

> > > se

> > > > > > >> > mazboor ho

> > > > > > >> > > >> ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat

nahi

> > kar

> > > > pata

> > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > >> > unhe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

> > > > > halat(nishaniya)

> > > > > > >> > dekh

> > > > > > >> > > >> kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah

kis

> > > jagah

> > > > > > > par hai

> > > > > > >> > > >> unko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha

> > hai ki

> > > > aap

> > > > > > > meri

> > > > > > >> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct,

then I

> > would

> > > > > > > love to

> > > > > > >> > hear

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in

the

> > 9th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in

the 9th

> > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > at the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you

> > mean to

> > > > say

> > > > > > >> > that the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd

> > house

> > > > twice

> > > > > > >> > over?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that

the

> > mars

> > > in

> > > > > > > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >> will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak

makes

> > his

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > >> > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in

the 9th

> > > will

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > >> > turn

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

> > apart

> > > from

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > things,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a

Mars

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the

Sun in

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > house the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru

> > pradhan

> > > > ho

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor

duniya

> > daan

> > > ko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified

if

> > the

> > > mars

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that

the

> > Mars

> > > > > will

> > > > > > >> > behave

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > like

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

> > > " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan

par

> > brikh

> > > > ka

> > > > > > >> > matlab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka

asar

> > hota

> > > > hai

> > > > > > >> > vaise

> > > > > > >> > > >> hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa

hee

> > asar

> > > > hoga

> > > > > > > (nek

> > > > > > >> > > >> mayno

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

> > placed in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >> house,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > a

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is

used in

> > the

> > > > > > > context

> > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the

burza

> > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter [

> > > > > > >> > mount

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the

line

> > would

> > > > > > > mean :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

> > would

> > > > result

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > as if

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [

> > mount]

> > > of

> > > > > > >> > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >> , " Umesh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji &

Members

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand

this

> > > word

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > used in

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9

> > Page

> > > 168

> > > > > > > Line

> > > > > > >> > No.

> > > > > > >> > > >> 17 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

> > kismat

> > > ka

> > > > > > > prakash

> > > > > > >> > > >> hoga "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> --

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> --

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> --

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > --

> > > > > > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > --

> > > > > > >> > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 3, 2009

Mahajan ji,

poori line hai ... Aur jaddi makkan yani uske bazurgon ke

sambandh me suraj no. 2 ka diya phal paida hoga. Pehle jaddi makkan

bazurgon ke liye sun 2 ka kya phal hoga isse kya samjha jaye. Time bhi

tabhi check karenge na jab phal pata ho.

Regards.

Kulbir.

On 3/3/09, < wrote:

> Dear Mahajan ji,

>

> You have said a very important point which I had forgotton to mention

> when you say :

>

> " ya shayad aap unnka janamdin ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check

> kar sakte hain ki har saal unka birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina

> kaise gujrata hai. "

>

> You are right, it will be not only the hindi month of Jyeshtha, but

> the native's second month from birth according to hindi caledar which

> might also be beneficially influenced.

>

> God bless you,

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

, " heartzthief54 "

> <heartzthief54 wrote:

>>

>> Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

>>

>> Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna chahta

> thaa

>> ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho

> rahe

>> they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki

>> shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon aisee

> koi

>> baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se

> mafi

>> chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne

>> vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki koshish

> kar

>> rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

>>

>> Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko

> kisi

>> dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss

> liye

>> explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve

> ho

>> hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee hai

> na

>> ni koi dusra.

>>

>> Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar

> mere

>> kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise

>> gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise

>> niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj

> khana

>> no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka

> janamdin

>> ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal unka

>> birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se

> yeh

>> dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.(

> Suraj

>> chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

>>

>> MAHAJAN

>>

>> , " varun_trvd "

>> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> >

>> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> >

>> > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

>> > barkha.

>> >

>> > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh means

>> > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

>> >

>> > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He suggested

>> > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

>> > Barkha.

>> >

>> > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars in

> the

>> > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

>> > house.

>> >

>> > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

>> >

>> > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

>> > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the Sun

> is

>> > in Brikha rasi.

>> >

>> > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

>> > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that

> is

>> > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

>> >

>> > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

>> > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

>> > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

>> > thinking aloud.

>> >

>> > With respect and regards,

>> >

>> > Varun Trivedi

>> >

>> > , " heartzthief54 "

>> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

>> > >

>> > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai

> (Brikh) .

>> > Kulbir

>> > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha

> hai,ya

>> > hona

>> > > chahiye.

>> > >

>> > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss

>> > tarah hee

>> > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi

> paya.

>> > Abb

>> > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se

> padh

>> > kar

>> > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

>> > >

>> > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali

> kitab

>> > mein

>> > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee

> hogi iss

>> > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein

> yehi

>> > baat

>> > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi

> likha

>> > hai,

>> > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

>> > >

>> > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek)

>> > milega

>> > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se ki

>> > kya woh

>> > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

>> > >

>> > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain.

> kul

>> > kitne

>> > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo

> mein

>> > brikh

>> > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

>> > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi

> milega

>> > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein

> barsat/rain ko

>> > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee ne

>> > sirf

>> > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

>> > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area

> mein

>> > aam

>> > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein

> kulbir

>> > jee

>> > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah iss

>> > shabad

>> > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

>> > >

>> > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se

> bandri

>> > aur

>> > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya

> brikh

>> > aur

>> > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha bilkul

> nahi

>> > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana

> badh

>> > jati

>> > > hai.

>> > >

>> > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee sabit

>> > karegi

>> > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.

>> > >

>> > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo shabad

>> > hai woh

>> > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

>> > > BARKHA........................

>> > >

>> > > MAHAJAN

>> > >

>> > > , " "

>> > > <@> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

>> > > >

>> > > > In the line being discussed :

>> > > >

>> > > > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka

>> > > prakash

>> > > > hogaï¿½ï¿½

>> > > >

>> > > > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of

>> Jyeshtha

>> > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the

> sun is

>> > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of

> Jyeshtha [

>> > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page

> 220 of

>> > 1952

>> > > > urdu ed ]

>> > > >

>> > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter

> cold ]

>> > > there

>> > > > is an astrological axiom which says:

>> > > >

>> > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

>> > > >

>> > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

>> > > >

>> > > > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the

>> last 15

>> > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would

>> > amount to

>> > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™

>> > > >

>> > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the

> rasi

>> > where

>> > > > the sun is placed.

>> > > >

>> > > > Therefore the line would mean :

>> > > >

>> > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun

>> > shines

>> > > in

>> > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.

>> > > >

>> > > > God bless you,

>> > > >

>> > > > Bhooshan Priya

>> > > >

>> > > > , " Umesh Sharma "

>> > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek

> ka

>> > brikh

>> > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga "

> Agar " Brikh ko

>> > > rashi

>> > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main

> hone

>> > ka

>> > > phal

>> > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi

> tak

>> > > uljhan

>> > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

>> > > > >

>> > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda

> hota

>> > hey

>> > > > > jaisa ki likha hey

>> > > > >

>> > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye

> juda

>> > phal

>> > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina

> jayega?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki

> Nek

>> > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke

> sambhandh

>> > main

>> > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " .

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native

> another is

>> > for

>> > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > So i asked this question

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks & Regards

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Umesh Sharma

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal

> poochney ka

>> > > arth

>> > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon,

> Sirf

>> > aur

>> > > > sirf

>> > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi

> mera

>> > > pryaas

>> > > > > hey.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > , kulbir bance

>> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Varun ji,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of

>> > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh

>> > shansha

>> > > hi

>> > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon

> ka

>> > shudh

>> > > > roop

>> > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur

>> > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise

>> > pahelion

>> > > > jaise

>> > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur

>> > arguements

>> > > > with

>> > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Repards.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Kulbir.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for

> alternative

>> > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should

> not be

>> > > taken

>> > > > as

>> > > > > > > finding fault with the book.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities

> and

>> > > evaluate

>> > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on

>> > discard

>> > > > them.

>> > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise

> and

>> > we

>> > > > should

>> > > > > > > not discourage it.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > With respect and regards,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > --- In

> , " heartzthief54 "

>> > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah

> par

>> > > BRAKH

>> > > > > > > likha

>> > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya

> hai

>> > na ki

>> > > > > > > jaise

>> > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala

> karna

>> > > chahte

>> > > > > > > hain

>> > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni

>> > taraf se

>> > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL

> KITAB

>> > samajh

>> > > > ke

>> > > > > > > pade

>> > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan

> nikalne ke

>> > liye

>> > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye

> bhee

>> > 1952

>> > > > wale

>> > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG)

> KO

>> > TARAZU

>> > > > > MEIN

>> > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada

> likha

>> > hai

>> > > > maine)

>> > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi

> par

>> > bandh

>> > > > > > > karta

>> > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon.

> Aapke

>> > > vichar

>> > > > > > > aapko

>> > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh

> wohi

>> > jane

>> > > > ya

>> > > > > > > unka

>> > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre

> se

>> > sehmat

>> > > > > > > nahi to

>> > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada

> jante

>> > > > > > > hain,balki

>> > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL

> KITAB

>> > ko

>> > > > padte

>> > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon

> sirf

>> > or

>> > > > sirf

>> > > > > > > gyan

>> > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko

> kehte

>> > > hain

>> > > > > > > apne

>> > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi

> ho

>> > to ?)

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Mahajan

>> > > > > > >> --- In

> , " varun_trvd "

>> > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji

> also

>> > as

>> > > to

>> > > > > > > what

>> > > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > , kulbir

> bance

>> > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word

>> > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch

>> > phal ka

>> > > > > > > hoga. Had

>> > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be

> rendered

>> > > > > > > meaningless.

>> > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus

> or

>> > khanna

>> > > > no.

>> > > > > > > 2.

>> > > > > > >> > The

>> > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more

> relevent.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote

>> > varsha

>> > > > rain

>> > > > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > common

>> > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal

> pradesh

>> > and

>> > > > > > > punjab.

>> > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors

> and the

>> > > > imagery

>> > > > > > >> > used in

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the

>> > colloquial

>> > > > > > > parlance

>> > > > > > >> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun,

> rainbow,

>> > > > jangal

>> > > > > > > mein

>> > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> ,

> kulbir

>> > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors,

> imagery,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we

> have

>> > come

>> > > > > > > across

>> > > > > > >> > some

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither

> jungle

>> > nor

>> > > > brakh

>> > > > > > > have

>> > > > > > >> > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much

> mean

>> > > > brakha.

>> > > > > > > And

>> > > > > > >> > it

>> > > > > > >> > > >> fits

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning

> of

>> > the

>> > > > > > > phrase is

>> > > > > > >> > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ,

>> > kulbir

>> > > > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle

> should

>> > also

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

>> > cold in

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > same

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a

> rainbow

>> > > > emerges.

>> > > > > > > Nau

>> > > > > > >> > hi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,

>> > [which

>> > > I

>> > > > > > >> > personally

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > take

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > --- In

> ,

>> > kulbir

>> > > > > > > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery

>> > can the

>> > > > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > mean

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

>> > meaning

>> > > as

>> > > > > > > jangal

>> > > > > > >> > me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur

> views

>> > > also.

>> > > > > > >> > Respect and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal

>> nek

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> mein

>> > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

>> > > hogaï¿½ï¿½

>> > > > [

>> > > > > 1942

>> > > > > > >> urdu

>> > > > > > >> > ed ;

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word

>> > > > > â€˜kaâ€™;

>> > > > > > >> this means

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one

> says

>> > > > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as

>> 'mangal

>> > > > nek

>> > > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> sooraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >> brakh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is

> used

>> > as a

>> > > > > > >> > metaphor and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > not

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would

> mean

>> > that

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > >> > destiny

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has

> risen

>> > in

>> > > the

>> > > > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > [ 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

>> > house ].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the

>> > 9th,

>> > > and

>> > > > it

>> > > > > > > can

>> > > > > > >> > not

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in

> the

>> > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > therefore my

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of

>> > > Jupiter,

>> > > > > and

>> > > > > > >> > the sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter

> makes

>> > the

>> > > > > > > imagery

>> > > > > > >> > all

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn

> 9th

>> > and

>> > > > being

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example.

> This is

>> > > inter-

>> > > > > > >> > planetary

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through

> out in

>> > the

>> > > > > > > book. In

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > book

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in

>> > relation

>> > > to

>> > > > > > > other

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th

>> > would

>> > > be

>> > > > > > > that of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds

> from

>> > the

>> > > > ocean

>> > > > > > > of

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >> 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > go

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd

> and

>> > > > > > > precipitate

>> > > > > > >> > in

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > , " vishalastrologer "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR

> ASAR 2

>> > > DETA

>> > > > HO

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI

> GUNA 9

>> > HOTA

>> > > HO

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka

>> > dusre

>> > > > > > > shukar se

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me

> jikar

>> > hai

>> > > ki

>> > > > 9

>> > > > > > >> > ghar ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

>> > jahan tak

>> > > > > > > maine

>> > > > > > >> > > >> samjhne

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

>> > shani ki

>> > > > > > > mashooka

>> > > > > > >> > (YEH

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani

> sani ki

>> > > takat

>> > > > > > > barata

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost

> hai.lal

>> > kitab

>> > > ke

>> > > > > > >> > farmaan

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

>> > suraj,mangal

>> > > badh

>> > > > > ke

>> > > > > > >> > ghar(8)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi

> manege.yani

>> > > mangal

>> > > > ko

>> > > > > > > jab

>> > > > > > >> > > >> suraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

>> > mangal

>> > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se

> sambhand

>> > ki

>> > > yeh

>> > > > > > > doosri

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > example

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

>> > sambhand

>> > > hai

>> > > > > > > abi tak

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

>> > SAMUNDAR SE

>> > > > HAWA

>> > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

>> > WARSHA

>> > > KARE

>> > > > > > > GI)

>> > > > > > >> > magar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh

>> > baat

>> > > > > adhoori

>> > > > > > >> > samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >> me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic

> proper

>> > > maloom

>> > > > ho

>> > > > > > > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> please

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

>> > hai.bus hum

>> > > > > > > sabhi

>> > > > > > >> > ko ek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

>> > thoda sa

>> > > > > gyan

>> > > > > > >> > bakhsha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

>> > dikhaye.ho

>> > > > > > > sakta

>> > > > > > >> > hai jo

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

>> > master in

>> > > > > this

>> > > > > > >> > world

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test

>> > anyone,ho

>> > > > sako

>> > > > > > > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT

> RAHE

>> > HAI

>> > > > APNE

>> > > > > > >> > SANATAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE

> HAI.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

>> > > > > > >> > , " varun_trvd "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars

> placed

>> > in

>> > > the

>> > > > > > > 9th

>> > > > > > >> > house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of

> the

>> > sun

>> > > > > > > placed

>> > > > > > >> > in the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar

> example

>> > from

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > book

>> > > > > > >> > > >> where

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will

>> > accrue

>> > > and

>> > > > > > > not

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

> , " heartzthief54 "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi

> thaa jo

>> > aap

>> > > > > nikal

>> > > > > > >> > rahe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

>> > dega.balki

>> > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > thaa ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >> jo

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee

>> > mangal

>> > > 9

>> > > > > > > wale ko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee

> suraj 2

>> > ke

>> > > > mandi

>> > > > > > >> > halat ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2

> mein

>> > hoga

>> > > to

>> > > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > dekhna

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj

> mandi

>> > halat

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > > > phal

>> > > > > > >> > de

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > raha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein

> mangal

>> > kis

>> > > > halat

>> > > > > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> > phal

>> > > > > > >> > > >> de

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe

>> > hain to

>> > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > sone pe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

>> > aadaton

>> > > se

>> > > > > > >> > mazboor ho

>> > > > > > >> > > >> ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat

> nahi

>> > kar

>> > > > pata

>> > > > > > > ya

>> > > > > > >> > unhe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

>> > > > > halat(nishaniya)

>> > > > > > >> > dekh

>> > > > > > >> > > >> kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah

> kis

>> > > jagah

>> > > > > > > par hai

>> > > > > > >> > > >> unko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha

>> > hai ki

>> > > > aap

>> > > > > > > meri

>> > > > > > >> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

> , " varun_trvd "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct,

> then I

>> > would

>> > > > > > > love to

>> > > > > > >> > hear

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in

> the

>> > 9th

>> > > > house

>> > > > > > > give

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in

> the 9th

>> > > house

>> > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > >> > at the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you

>> > mean to

>> > > > say

>> > > > > > >> > that the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd

>> > house

>> > > > twice

>> > > > > > >> > over?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that

> the

>> > mars

>> > > in

>> > > > > > > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >> will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak

> makes

>> > his

>> > > 2nd

>> > > > > > > house

>> > > > > > >> > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in

> the 9th

>> > > will

>> > > > > > > also

>> > > > > > >> > turn

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

>> > apart

>> > > from

>> > > > > > > other

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > things,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a

> Mars

>> > > placed

>> > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the

> Sun in

>> > the

>> > > > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > house the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru

>> > pradhan

>> > > > ho

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor

> duniya

>> > daan

>> > > ko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified

> if

>> > the

>> > > mars

>> > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that

> the

>> > Mars

>> > > > > will

>> > > > > > >> > behave

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > like

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

>> > > " heartzthief54 "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan

> par

>> > brikh

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> > matlab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka

> asar

>> > hota

>> > > > hai

>> > > > > > >> > vaise

>> > > > > > >> > > >> hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa

> hee

>> > asar

>> > > > hoga

>> > > > > > > (nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >> mayno

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> , " varun_trvd "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

>> > placed in

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >> house,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > a

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is

> used in

>> > the

>> > > > > > > context

>> > > > > > >> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the

> burza

>> > of

>> > > > > > > Jupiter [

>> > > > > > >> > mount

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the

> line

>> > would

>> > > > > > > mean :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

>> > would

>> > > > result

>> > > > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > as if

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [

>> > mount]

>> > > of

>> > > > > > >> > Jupiter.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >> , " Umesh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji &

> Members

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand

> this

>> > > word

>> > > > > > > which

>> > > > > > >> > is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > used in

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9

>> > Page

>> > > 168

>> > > > > > > Line

>> > > > > > >> > No.

>> > > > > > >> > > >> 17 "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

>> > kismat

>> > > ka

>> > > > > > > prakash

>> > > > > > >> > > >> hoga "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> --

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> --

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> --

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > --

>> > > > > > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > --

>> > > > > > >> > > Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > --

>> > > > > > Sent from my mobile device

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

--

Sent from my mobile device

March 3, 2009

Respected Mahajan ji,

Date of Birth 09-09-1957

Time of Birth 15-20

Place of Birth- Jullunder

This native Born in Dhanu Lagna

Moon in 3rd house

Ketu in 5th house

Sun-Mars Mercury in 9th house

Jupiter in 10th house

Venus & Rahu in 11th house

Saturn in 12th house,

The person has no parental house. No comforts of Father and Grand

parents.Whats your comments on this.

thanks & regards

Umesh Sharma

, " heartzthief54 "

<heartzthief54 wrote:

>

> Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

>

> Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna

chahta thaa

> ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho

rahe

> they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki

> shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon

aisee koi

> baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se

mafi

> chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne

> vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki

koshish kar

> rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

>

> Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko

kisi

> dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss

liye

> explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve

ho

> hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee

hai na

> ni koi dusra.

>

> Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar

mere

> kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise

> gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise

> niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj

khana

> no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka

janamdin

> ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal

unka

> birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se

yeh

> dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.(

Suraj

> chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

>

> MAHAJAN

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >

> > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

> > barkha.

> >

> > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh

means

> > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

> >

> > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He

suggested

> > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

> > Barkha.

> >

> > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars

in the

> > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

> > house.

> >

> > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

> >

> > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

> > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the

Sun is

> > in Brikha rasi.

> >

> > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

> > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that

is

> > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

> >

> > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

> > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

> > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

> > thinking aloud.

> >

> > With respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " heartzthief54 "

> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

> > >

> > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai

(Brikh) .

> > Kulbir

> > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha

hai,ya

> > hona

> > > chahiye.

> > >

> > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss

> > tarah hee

> > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi

paya.

> > Abb

> > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se

padh

> > kar

> > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

> > >

> > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali

kitab

> > mein

> > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee

hogi iss

> > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein

yehi

> > baat

> > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi

likha

> > hai,

> > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

> > >

> > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek)

> > milega

> > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se

ki

> > kya woh

> > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

> > >

> > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain.

kul

> > kitne

> > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo

mein

> > brikh

> > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

> > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi

milega

> > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein

barsat/rain ko

> > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee

ne

> > sirf

> > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

> > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area

mein

> > aam

> > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein

kulbir

> > jee

> > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah

iss

> > shabad

> > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

> > >

> > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se

bandri

> > aur

> > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya

brikh

> > aur

> > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha

bilkul nahi

> > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana

badh

> > jati

> > > hai.

> > >

> > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee

sabit

> > karegi

> > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.

> > >

> > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo

shabad

> > hai woh

> > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

> > > BARKHA........................

> > >

> > > MAHAJAN

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > <@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

> > > >

> > > > In the line being discussed :

> > > >

> > > > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka

> > > prakash

> > > > hogaâ€

> > > >

> > > > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of

> Jyeshtha

> > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the

sun is

> > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of

Jyeshtha [

> > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page

220 of

> > 1952

> > > > urdu ed ]

> > > >

> > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter

cold ]

> > > there

> > > > is an astrological axiom which says:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

> > > >

> > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

> > > >

> > > > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the

> last 15

> > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would

> > amount to

> > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™

> > > >

> > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the

rasi

> > where

> > > > the sun is placed.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore the line would mean :

> > > >

> > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the

sun

> > shines

> > > in

> > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.

> > > >

> > > > God bless you,

> > > >

> > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > >

> > > > , " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal

Nek ka

> > brikh

> > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga "

Agar " Brikh ko

> > > rashi

> > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main

hone

> > ka

> > > phal

> > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi

tak

> > > uljhan

> > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda

hota

> > hey

> > > > > jaisa ki likha hey

> > > > >

> > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta

hey,

> > > > >

> > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye

juda

> > phal

> > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina

jayega?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki

Nek

> > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke

sambhandh

> > main

> > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native

another is

> > for

> > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

> > > > >

> > > > > So i asked this question

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > >

> > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal

poochney ka

> > > arth

> > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon,

Sirf

> > aur

> > > > sirf

> > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi

mera

> > > pryaas

> > > > > hey.

> > > > >

> > > > > , kulbir bance

> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person

of

> > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh

> > shansha

> > > hi

> > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon

ka

> > shudh

> > > > roop

> > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur

> > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise

> > pahelion

> > > > jaise

> > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur

> > arguements

> > > > with

> > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Repards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for

alternative

> > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should

not be

> > > taken

> > > > as

> > > > > > > finding fault with the book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities

and

> > > evaluate

> > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on

> > discard

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise

and

> > we

> > > > should

> > > > > > > not discourage it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut

jagah par

> > > BRAKH

> > > > > > > likha

> > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya

hai

> > na ki

> > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala

karna

> > > chahte

> > > > > > > hain

> > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni

> > taraf se

> > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL

KITAB

> > samajh

> > > > ke

> > > > > > > pade

> > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan

nikalne ke

> > liye

> > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye

bhee

> > 1952

> > > > wale

> > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG)

KO

> > TARAZU

> > > > > MEIN

> > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada

likha

> > hai

> > > > maine)

> > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi

par

> > bandh

> > > > > > > karta

> > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon.

Aapke

> > > vichar

> > > > > > > aapko

> > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh

wohi

> > jane

> > > > ya

> > > > > > > unka

> > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre

se

> > sehmat

> > > > > > > nahi to

> > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada

jante

> > > > > > > hain,balki

> > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL

KITAB

> > ko

> > > > padte

> > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon

sirf

> > or

> > > > sirf

> > > > > > > gyan

> > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko

kehte

> > > hain

> > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi

ho

> > to ?)

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Mahajan

> > > > > > >> --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji

also

> > as

> > > to

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > , kulbir

bance

> > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing

word

> > brakh

> > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch

> > phal ka

> > > > > > > hoga. Had

> > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be

rendered

> > > > > > > meaningless.

> > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus

or

> > khanna

> > > > no.

> > > > > > > 2.

> > > > > > >> > The

> > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more

relevent.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Regards.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote

> > varsha

> > > > rain

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > common

> > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal

pradesh

> > and

> > > > > > > punjab.

> > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors

and the

> > > > imagery

> > > > > > >> > used in

> > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the

> > colloquial

> > > > > > > parlance

> > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun,

rainbow,

> > > > jangal

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> ,

kulbir

> > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors,

imagery,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we

have

> > come

> > > > > > > across

> > > > > > >> > some

> > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither

jungle

> > nor

> > > > brakh

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much

mean

> > > > brakha.

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > >> > it

> > > > > > >> > > >> fits

> > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal

meaning of

> > the

> > > > > > > phrase is

> > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ,

> > kulbir

> > > > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle

should

> > also

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

> > cold in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a

rainbow

> > > > emerges.

> > > > > > > Nau

> > > > > > >> > hi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd

house,

> > [which

> > > I

> > > > > > >> > personally

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > take

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > --- In

,

> > kulbir

> > > > > > > bance

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and

imagery

> > can the

> > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> > mean

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

> > meaning

> > > as

> > > > > > > jangal

> > > > > > >> > me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur

views

> > > also.

> > > > > > >> > Respect and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal

> nek

> > > > ka

> > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> mein

> > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

> > > hogaï¿½ï¿½

> > > > [

> > > > > 1942

> > > > > > >> urdu

> > > > > > >> > ed ;

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word

> > > > > â€˜kaâ€™;

> > > > > > >> this means

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one

says

> > > > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as

> 'mangal

> > > > nek

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > >> > > >> brakh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is

used

> > as a

> > > > > > >> > metaphor and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > not

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would

mean

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > destiny

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has

risen

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > >> > [ 2nd

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

> > house ].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in

the

> > 9th,

> > > and

> > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed

in the

> > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > therefore my

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz

of

> > > Jupiter,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > the sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter

makes

> > the

> > > > > > > imagery

> > > > > > >> > all

> > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn

9th

> > and

> > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example.

This is

> > > inter-

> > > > > > >> > planetary

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through

out in

> > the

> > > > > > > book. In

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > book

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in

> > relation

> > > to

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the

9th

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > > > that of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds

from

> > the

> > > > ocean

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >> 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > go

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the

2nd and

> > > > > > > precipitate

> > > > > > >> > in

> > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

> > , " vishalastrologer "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR

ASAR 2

> > > DETA

> > > > HO

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI

GUNA 9

> > HOTA

> > > HO

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani

ka

> > dusre

> > > > > > > shukar se

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me

jikar

> > hai

> > > ki

> > > > 9

> > > > > > >> > ghar ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

> > jahan tak

> > > > > > > maine

> > > > > > >> > > >> samjhne

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

> > shani ki

> > > > > > > mashooka

> > > > > > >> > (YEH

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani

sani ki

> > > takat

> > > > > > > barata

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost

hai.lal

> > kitab

> > > ke

> > > > > > >> > farmaan

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

> > suraj,mangal

> > > badh

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > >> > ghar(8)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi

manege.yani

> > > mangal

> > > > ko

> > > > > > > jab

> > > > > > >> > > >> suraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se

sambhand

> > ki

> > > yeh

> > > > > > > doosri

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > example

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

> > sambhand

> > > hai

> > > > > > > abi tak

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

> > SAMUNDAR SE

> > > > HAWA

> > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

> > WARSHA

> > > KARE

> > > > > > > GI)

> > > > > > >> > magar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye

yeh

> > baat

> > > > > adhoori

> > > > > > >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >> me

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic

proper

> > > maloom

> > > > ho

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > >> please

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

> > hai.bus hum

> > > > > > > sabhi

> > > > > > >> > ko ek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

> > thoda sa

> > > > > gyan

> > > > > > >> > bakhsha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

> > dikhaye.ho

> > > > > > > sakta

> > > > > > >> > hai jo

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

> > master in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> > world

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test

> > anyone,ho

> > > > sako

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT

RAHE

> > HAI

> > > > APNE

> > > > > > >> > SANATAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE

HAI.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

> > > > > > >> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars

placed

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results

of the

> > sun

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > >> > in the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar

example

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > book

> > > > > > >> > > >> where

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will

> > accrue

> > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

, " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi

thaa jo

> > aap

> > > > > nikal

> > > > > > >> > rahe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

> > dega.balki

> > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > thaa ki

> > > > > > >> > > >> jo

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise

hee

> > mangal

> > > 9

> > > > > > > wale ko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee

suraj 2

> > ke

> > > > mandi

> > > > > > >> > halat ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2

mein

> > hoga

> > > to

> > > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > dekhna

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj

mandi

> > halat

> > > > ka

> > > > > > > phal

> > > > > > >> > de

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > raha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein

mangal

> > kis

> > > > halat

> > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > >> > phal

> > > > > > >> > > >> de

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de

rahe

> > hain to

> > > > yeh

> > > > > > >> > sone pe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

> > aadaton

> > > se

> > > > > > >> > mazboor ho

> > > > > > >> > > >> ke

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat

nahi

> > kar

> > > > pata

> > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > >> > unhe

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

> > > > > halat(nishaniya)

> > > > > > >> > dekh

> > > > > > >> > > >> kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur

grah kis

> > > jagah

> > > > > > > par hai

> > > > > > >> > > >> unko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte.

Asha

> > hai ki

> > > > aap

> > > > > > > meri

> > > > > > >> > baat

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct,

then I

> > would

> > > > > > > love to

> > > > > > >> > hear

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in

the

> > 9th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in

the 9th

> > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > at the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do

you

> > mean to

> > > > say

> > > > > > >> > that the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the

2nd

> > house

> > > > twice

> > > > > > >> > over?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that

the

> > mars

> > > in

> > > > > > > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >> will

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > be

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak

makes

> > his

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > >> > Sun

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in

the 9th

> > > will

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > >> > turn

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

> > apart

> > > from

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > things,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a

Mars

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the

Sun in

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > >> > house the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na

guru

> > pradhan

> > > > ho

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor

duniya

> > daan

> > > ko

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified

if

> > the

> > > mars

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said

that the

> > Mars

> > > > > will

> > > > > > >> > behave

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > like

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

> > > " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan

par

> > brikh

> > > > ka

> > > > > > >> > matlab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka

asar

> > hota

> > > > hai

> > > > > > >> > vaise

> > > > > > >> > > >> hee

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa

hee

> > asar

> > > > hoga

> > > > > > > (nek

> > > > > > >> > > >> mayno

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

> > placed in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > >> > > >> house,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > a

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is

used in

> > the

> > > > > > > context

> > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the

burza

> > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter [

> > > > > > >> > mount

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the

line

> > would

> > > > > > > mean :

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

> > would

> > > > result

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > as if

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > the

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz

[

> > mount]

> > > of

> > > > > > >> > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >> > > >> , " Umesh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji &

Members

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to

understand this

> > > word

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > >> > > >>> > used in

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No.

9

> > Page

> > > 168

> > > > > > > Line

> > > > > > >> > No.

> > > > > > >> > > >> 17 "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

> > kismat

> > > ka

> > > > > > > prakash

> > > > > > >> > > >> hoga "

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

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>

March 3, 2009

Umesh Jee,

App iss kundli ke baare mein kya janana chahte hain ,ya kyon janana

chahte hain jabki aap hee khud mujhse bade gyani ho.

Sirf ek hee grah ko pakad ke saari kundli ka phal nahi diya ja

sakta.Agar managl 9th house mein hai to kya yeh chahte hain ki iss

duniya mein jitne bhee Mangal khana no 9 wale hain sabko parents se

zaydad mille.to kya jinke mangal khana no 9 mein nahi hoga unko parents

ka saath ya zaydad nahi millegi?

kai baar insan apni harkato se hee achhe graho ka fayda nahi utha pata

ya neech grah wale bhee apni achhi soch/kaam se achha fayada utha jate

hain.

Mein iss behas mein zyada nahi uljhana chahta , lekin agar iss shaksh ko

bajurango/father ka saath nahi mila to uska ek hee karan samajh mein

aata hai ki khana no 9 ka karak neech ho ke baitha hai, khana no 10

brahspati dekhe,khana no 5 mein bhee ketu hai jo ki pappi grah gina gaya

hai aur uss se bhee badi baat khana no 11 mein jo ki brahspati ka ghar

hai uss mein bhee Rahu hai.

Haan ek baat hai hai yeh shaksh apne aap sab kuchh bana lega.

MAHAJAN.

, " Umesh Sharma "

<mudit982001 wrote:

>

> Respected Mahajan ji,

>

> Date of Birth 09-09-1957

> Time of Birth 15-20

> Place of Birth- Jullunder

>

> This native Born in Dhanu Lagna

> Moon in 3rd house

> Ketu in 5th house

> Sun-Mars Mercury in 9th house

> Jupiter in 10th house

> Venus & Rahu in 11th house

> Saturn in 12th house,

>

> The person has no parental house. No comforts of Father and Grand

> parents.Whats your comments on this.

>

> thanks & regards

>

> Umesh Sharma

>

, " heartzthief54 "

> heartzthief54@ wrote:

> >

> > Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

> >

> > Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna

> chahta thaa

> > ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho

> rahe

> > they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki

> > shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon

> aisee koi

> > baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se

> mafi

> > chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne

> > vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki

> koshish kar

> > rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

> >

> > Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko

> kisi

> > dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss

> liye

> > explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve

> ho

> > hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee

> hai na

> > ni koi dusra.

> >

> > Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar

> mere

> > kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise

> > gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise

> > niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj

> khana

> > no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka

> janamdin

> > ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal

> unka

> > birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se

> yeh

> > dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.(

> Suraj

> > chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

> >

> > MAHAJAN

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > >

> > > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

> > > barkha.

> > >

> > > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh

> means

> > > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

> > >

> > > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He

> suggested

> > > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

> > > Barkha.

> > >

> > > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars

> in the

> > > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

> > >

> > > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

> > > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the

> Sun is

> > > in Brikha rasi.

> > >

> > > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

> > > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that

> is

> > > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

> > >

> > > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

> > > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

> > > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

> > > thinking aloud.

> > >

> > > With respect and regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

> > > >

> > > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai

> (Brikh) .

> > > Kulbir

> > > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha

> hai,ya

> > > hona

> > > > chahiye.

> > > >

> > > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss

> > > tarah hee

> > > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi

> paya.

> > > Abb

> > > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se

> padh

> > > kar

> > > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

> > > >

> > > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali

> kitab

> > > mein

> > > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee

> hogi iss

> > > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein

> yehi

> > > baat

> > > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi

> likha

> > > hai,

> > > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek)

> > > milega

> > > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se

> ki

> > > kya woh

> > > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

> > > >

> > > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain.

> kul

> > > kitne

> > > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo

> mein

> > > brikh

> > > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

> > > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi

> milega

> > > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein

> barsat/rain ko

> > > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee

> ne

> > > sirf

> > > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

> > > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area

> mein

> > > aam

> > > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein

> kulbir

> > > jee

> > > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah

> iss

> > > shabad

> > > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

> > > >

> > > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se

> bandri

> > > aur

> > > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya

> brikh

> > > aur

> > > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha

> bilkul nahi

> > > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana

> badh

> > > jati

> > > > hai.

> > > >

> > > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee

> sabit

> > > karegi

> > > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein.

> > > >

> > > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo

> shabad

> > > hai woh

> > > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

> > > > BARKHA........................

> > > >

> > > > MAHAJAN

> > > >

> > > > , " "

> > > > <@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

> > > > >

> > > > > In the line being discussed :

> > > > >

> > > > > â€œMangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet

ka

> > > > prakash

> > > > > hogaâ€

> > > > >

> > > > > The word â€˜brikh ka soorajâ€™ means the sooraj of

> > Jyeshtha

> > > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the

> sun is

> > > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of

> Jyeshtha [

> > > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page

> 220 of

> > > 1952

> > > > > urdu ed ]

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter

> cold ]

> > > > there

> > > > > is an astrological axiom which says:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

> > > > >

> > > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

> > > > >

> > > > > â€˜ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the

> > last 15

> > > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would

> > > amount to

> > > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]â€™

> > > > >

> > > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the

> rasi

> > > where

> > > > > the sun is placed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore the line would mean :

> > > > >

> > > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the

> sun

> > > shines

> > > > in

> > > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless you,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal

> Nek ka

> > > brikh

> > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga "

> Agar " Brikh ko

> > > > rashi

> > > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main

> hone

> > > ka

> > > > phal

> > > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi

> tak

> > > > uljhan

> > > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda

> hota

> > > hey

> > > > > > jaisa ki likha hey

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta

> hey,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye

> juda

> > > phal

> > > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina

> jayega?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki

> Nek

> > > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke

> sambhandh

> > > main

> > > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native

> another is

> > > for

> > > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So i asked this question

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal

> poochney ka

> > > > arth

> > > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon,

> Sirf

> > > aur

> > > > > sirf

> > > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi

> mera

> > > > pryaas

> > > > > > hey.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , kulbir bance

> > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person

> of

> > > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh

> > > shansha

> > > > hi

> > > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon

> ka

> > > shudh

> > > > > roop

> > > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur

> > > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise

> > > pahelion

> > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur

> > > arguements

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Repards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for

> alternative

> > > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should

> not be

> > > > taken

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > finding fault with the book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities

> and

> > > > evaluate

> > > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on

> > > discard

> > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise

> and

> > > we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > > not discourage it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut

> jagah par

> > > > BRAKH

> > > > > > > > likha

> > > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya

> hai

> > > na ki

> > > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala

> karna

> > > > chahte

> > > > > > > > hain

> > > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni

> > > taraf se

> > > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL

> KITAB

> > > samajh

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > pade

> > > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan

> nikalne ke

> > > liye

> > > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye

> bhee

> > > 1952

> > > > > wale

> > > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG)

> KO

> > > TARAZU

> > > > > > MEIN

> > > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada

> likha

> > > hai

> > > > > maine)

> > > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi

> par

> > > bandh

> > > > > > > > karta

> > > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon.

> Aapke

> > > > vichar

> > > > > > > > aapko

> > > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh

> wohi

> > > jane

> > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > unka

> > > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre

> se

> > > sehmat

> > > > > > > > nahi to

> > > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada

> jante

> > > > > > > > hain,balki

> > > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL

> KITAB

> > > ko

> > > > > padte

> > > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon

> sirf

> > > or

> > > > > sirf

> > > > > > > > gyan

> > > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko

> kehte

> > > > hain

> > > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi

> ho

> > > to ?)

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Mahajan

> > > > > > > >> --- In

> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji

> also

> > > as

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > >> > they think about this interpretation.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > , kulbir

> bance

> > > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Varun ji,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing

> word

> > > brakh

> > > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch

> > > phal ka

> > > > > > > > hoga. Had

> > > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be

> rendered

> > > > > > > > meaningless.

> > > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus

> or

> > > khanna

> > > > > no.

> > > > > > > > 2.

> > > > > > > >> > The

> > > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more

> relevent.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Regards.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Kulbir.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote

> > > varsha

> > > > > rain

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > common

> > > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal

> pradesh

> > > and

> > > > > > > > punjab.

> > > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors

> and the

> > > > > imagery

> > > > > > > >> > used in

> > > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the

> > > colloquial

> > > > > > > > parlance

> > > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun,

> rainbow,

> > > > > jangal

> > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >> ,

> kulbir

> > > bance

> > > > > > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors,

> imagery,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we

> have

> > > come

> > > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > >> > some

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither

> jungle

> > > nor

> > > > > brakh

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much

> mean

> > > > > brakha.

> > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > >> > it

> > > > > > > >> > > >> fits

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal

> meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > phrase is

> > > > > > > >> > to

> > > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > ,

> > > kulbir

> > > > > bance

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle

> should

> > > also

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

> > > cold in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a

> rainbow

> > > > > emerges.

> > > > > > > > Nau

> > > > > > > >> > hi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd

> house,

> > > [which

> > > > I

> > > > > > > >> > personally

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > take

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > --- In

> ,

> > > kulbir

> > > > > > > > bance

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and

> imagery

> > > can the

> > > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > > >> > mean

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

> > > meaning

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > jangal

> > > > > > > >> > me

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur

> views

> > > > also.

> > > > > > > >> > Respect and

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > â€œ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya

mangal

> > nek

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > > >> mein

> > > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

> > > > hogaï¿½ï¿½

> > > > > [

> > > > > > 1942

> > > > > > > >> urdu

> > > > > > > >> > ed ;

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word

> > > > > > â€˜kaâ€™;

> > > > > > > >> this means

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one

> says

> > > > > > > >> â€˜bhagya ka

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > soorajâ€™. Hence it can be read as

> > 'mangal

> > > > > nek

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > >> sooraj

> > > > > > > >> > > >> brakh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is

> used

> > > as a

> > > > > > > >> > metaphor and

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > as a

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would

> mean

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > destiny

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shine

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has

> risen

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > brakh

> > > > > > > >> > [ 2nd

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house].

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

> > > house ].

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in

> the

> > > 9th,

> > > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > >> > not

> > > > > > > >> > > >> be

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed

> in the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > > >> > therefore my

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz

> of

> > > > Jupiter,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > the sun

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter

> makes

> > > the

> > > > > > > > imagery

> > > > > > > >> > all

> > > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > more

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn

> 9th

> > > and

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > strengthened

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example.

> This is

> > > > inter-

> > > > > > > >> > planetary

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through

> out in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > book. In

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > book

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > most of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in

> > > relation

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > planetary

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the

> 9th

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > that of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds

> from

> > > the

> > > > > ocean

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >> 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > go

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > and

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the

> 2nd and

> > > > > > > > precipitate

> > > > > > > >> > in

> > > > > > > >> > > >> the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > , " vishalastrologer "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR

> ASAR 2

> > > > DETA

> > > > > HO

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI

> GUNA 9

> > > HOTA

> > > > HO

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani

> ka

> > > dusre

> > > > > > > > shukar se

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me

> jikar

> > > hai

> > > > ki

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > >> > ghar ka

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

> > > jahan tak

> > > > > > > > maine

> > > > > > > >> > > >> samjhne

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > ki

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

> > > shani ki

> > > > > > > > mashooka

> > > > > > > >> > (YEH

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani

> sani ki

> > > > takat

> > > > > > > > barata

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost

> hai.lal

> > > kitab

> > > > ke

> > > > > > > >> > farmaan

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > page

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

> > > suraj,mangal

> > > > badh

> > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > >> > ghar(8)

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > me

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi

> manege.yani

> > > > mangal

> > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > jab

> > > > > > > >> > > >> suraj

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

> > > mangal

> > > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se

> sambhand

> > > ki

> > > > yeh

> > > > > > > > doosri

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > example

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

> > > sambhand

> > > > hai

> > > > > > > > abi tak

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

> > > SAMUNDAR SE

> > > > > HAWA

> > > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

> > > WARSHA

> > > > KARE

> > > > > > > > GI)

> > > > > > > >> > magar

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye

> yeh

> > > baat

> > > > > > adhoori

> > > > > > > >> > samajh

> > > > > > > >> > > >> me

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic

> proper

> > > > maloom

> > > > > ho

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > >> please

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > explain

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

> > > hai.bus hum

> > > > > > > > sabhi

> > > > > > > >> > ko ek

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

> > > thoda sa

> > > > > > gyan

> > > > > > > >> > bakhsha

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > to

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

> > > dikhaye.ho

> > > > > > > > sakta

> > > > > > > >> > hai jo

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

> > > master in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > >> > world

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test

> > > anyone,ho

> > > > > sako

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT

> RAHE

> > > HAI

> > > > > APNE

> > > > > > > >> > SANATAN

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE

> HAI.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

> > > > > > > >> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars

> placed

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > >> > house

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > give

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results

> of the

> > > sun

> > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > >> > in the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar

> example

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > >> > > >> where

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the book

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will

> > > accrue

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi

> thaa jo

> > > aap

> > > > > > nikal

> > > > > > > >> > rahe

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

> > > dega.balki

> > > > > yeh

> > > > > > > >> > thaa ki

> > > > > > > >> > > >> jo

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise

> hee

> > > mangal

> > > > 9

> > > > > > > > wale ko

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee

> suraj 2

> > > ke

> > > > > mandi

> > > > > > > >> > halat ke

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2

> mein

> > > hoga

> > > > to

> > > > > > yeh

> > > > > > > >> > dekhna

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ki

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj

> mandi

> > > halat

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > phal

> > > > > > > >> > de

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > raha

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein

> mangal

> > > kis

> > > > > halat

> > > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > >> > phal

> > > > > > > >> > > >> de

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de

> rahe

> > > hain to

> > > > > yeh

> > > > > > > >> > sone pe

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

> > > aadaton

> > > > se

> > > > > > > >> > mazboor ho

> > > > > > > >> > > >> ke

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat

> nahi

> > > kar

> > > > > pata

> > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > >> > unhe

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > neech

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

> > > > > > halat(nishaniya)

> > > > > > > >> > dekh

> > > > > > > >> > > >> kar

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > hee

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur

> grah kis

> > > > jagah

> > > > > > > > par hai

> > > > > > > >> > > >> unko

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte.

> Asha

> > > hai ki

> > > > > aap

> > > > > > > > meri

> > > > > > > >> > baat

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct,

> then I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > love to

> > > > > > > >> > hear

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > your views

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > results of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in

> the 9th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > at the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > same time

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do

> you

> > > mean to

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > >> > that the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the

> 2nd

> > > house

> > > > > twice

> > > > > > > >> > over?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that

> the

> > > mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > the 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > >> will

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > be

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > like

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak

> makes

> > > his

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > >> > Sun

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in

> the 9th

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > >> > turn

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

> > > apart

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > things,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a

> Mars

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the

> Sun in

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > >> > house the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na

> guru

> > > pradhan

> > > > > ho

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor

> duniya

> > > daan

> > > > ko

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified

> if

> > > the

> > > > mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > the 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house is

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said

> that the

> > > Mars

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > >> > behave

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > like

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > ,

> > > > " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan

> par

> > > brikh

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > > >> > matlab

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka

> asar

> > > hota

> > > > > hai

> > > > > > > >> > vaise

> > > > > > > >> > > >> hee

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa

> hee

> > > asar

> > > > > hoga

> > > > > > > > (nek

> > > > > > > >> > > >> mayno

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

> > > placed in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > >> > > >> house,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > a

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > house

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is

> used in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > context

> > > > > > > >> > of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the

> burza

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Jupiter [

> > > > > > > >> > mount

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the

> line

> > > would

> > > > > > > > mean :

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

> > > would

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > as if

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > the

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz

> [

> > > mount]

> > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >> > > >> , " Umesh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji &

> Members

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to

> understand this

> > > > word

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >> > is

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> > used in

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No.

> 9

> > > Page

> > > > 168

> > > > > > > > Line

> > > > > > > >> > No.

> > > > > > > >> > > >> 17 "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

> > > kismat

> > > > ka

> > > > > > > > prakash

> > > > > > > >> > > >> hoga "

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> --

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> --

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> --

> > > > > > > >> > > >>> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > > >> > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > --

> > > > > > > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > --

> > > > > > > >> > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 4, 2009

Kulbir Jee & Group Members

Jab bhee hum log kisi ek/do (1-2) grah ko hee pakad kar saare ke saare teve mein sirf ussi ka phal chahe to kabhi nahi milega.

MAHAJAN--- On Tue, 3/3/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kulbir bance <kulbirbanceLK discussion group Re: Help : Sh. Mahajan Ji Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:34 PMMahajan ji,

poori line hai ... Aur jaddi makkan yani uske bazurgon ke

sambandh me suraj no. 2 ka diya phal paida hoga. Pehle jaddi makkan

bazurgon ke liye sun 2 ka kya phal hoga isse kya samjha jaye. Time bhi

tabhi check karenge na jab phal pata ho. Regards. Kulbir.

On 3/3/09, < wrote:

> Dear Mahajan ji,

>

> You have said a very important point which I had forgotton to mention

> when you say :

>

> "ya shayad aap unnka janamdin ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check

> kar sakte hain ki har saal unka birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina

> kaise gujrata hai."

>

> You are right, it will be not only the hindi month of Jyeshtha, but

> the native's second month from birth according to hindi caledar which

> might also be beneficially influenced.

>

> God bless you,

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

, "heartzthief54"

> <heartzthief54 wrote:

>>

>> Varun Jee & Umesh Jee,

>>

>> Varun Jee mein aapko misquote nahi kar raha, balki yeh kehna chahta

> thaa

>> ki jaisa Kulbir jee keh rahein hai aur aap bhee unn se sehmat ho

> rahe

>> they ki shahyad Barkha ho sakta hai, iss liye shayad aapko laga ki

>> shayad mein aapko mukhatib ho kar hee har baat rakh raha hoon aisee

> koi

>> baat nahi. agar aapko aisa laga to mein aap se aur Kulbir Jee se

> mafi

>> chahta hoon.Meri baaton mein iss liye talkhi aa gayee thee ki itne

>> vidhvan ho kar bhee app log galat seera pakad aage badne ki koshish

> kar

>> rahe hain.Jab ki asal mein aisee koi baat hee nahi thee.

>>

>> Bhushan Priya jee ne baat ko jis tarike se kaha mein ussi baat ko

> kisi

>> dusre tarike se kehna chahta tha lekin net prblm dene lag gaya iss

> liye

>> explain nahi kar paya (net prblm=due to bill)lekin matlab to solve

> ho

>> hee gaya jis se yeh pata chala ki meri zidd ki shabad brikh hee hai

> na

>> ni koi dusra.

>>

>> Umesh Jee jis jatak ka mangal khana no 9 mein hai kripya ek baar

> mere

>> kehne par gaur karein ki unka 15 may se 15 june tak ka samay kaise

>> gujrata hai ya unnse pooche ki unka jyeshtha month hamesha kaise

>> niklata hai. Mere khayal se issi se pata chal jayega ki unko Suraj

> khana

>> no 2 ka/jaisa phal mil raha hai ya nahi. ya shayad aap unnka

> janamdin

>> ke hissab se dusra mahina bhee check kar sakte hain ki har saal unka

>> birthday ke baad ka dusra mahina kaise gujrata hai.mere khayal se

> yeh

>> dono mahine hee achhe jaane chahiye, agar unka Mangal nek hai.(

> Suraj

>> chahe kahin bhee baitha ho ).

>>

>> MAHAJAN

>>

>> , "varun_trvd"

>> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> >

>> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> >

>> > Please do not misquote me. I have never said that Brikh means

>> > barkha.

>> >

>> > I had given an entirely different interpretation; that brikh

means

>> > the burz of Jupiter [ 2nd house]. Read messages # 3692 and 3695

>> >

>> > Kulbir bhai gave yet another probable interpretation. He

suggested

>> > that there could be a possibility that the word Brikh might mean

>> > Barkha.

>> >

>> > You had the opinion that the sentence might mean that the mars in

> the

>> > 9th house will give the results akin to the sun placed in the 2nd

>> > house.

>> >

>> > Pt Umesh ji was not sure what it would actually mean.

>> >

>> > Today Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji said that the sun in brikh means, the

>> > Hindi month of Jyeshtha, the month of Hindi calendar when the Sun

> is

>> > in Brikha rasi.

>> >

>> > Mahajan ji, This is a process of exploration, a journey of an

>> > inquisitive mind. That is how the truth is arrived at ; and that

> is

>> > Eureka. This is what a brain storming session is all about.

>> >

>> > Now it is for us to accept any one of the above views which ever

>> > sounds logical, or reject all of them all together.None of us is

>> > trying to impose or force his idea on others. We all had been

>> > thinking aloud.

>> >

>> > With respect and regards,

>> >

>> > Varun Trivedi

>> >

>> > ,

"heartzthief54"

>> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee,

>> > >

>> > > Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai

> (Brikh) .

>> > Kulbir

>> > > jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha

> hai,ya

>> > hona

>> > > chahiye.

>> > >

>> > > Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh

iss

>> > tarah hee

>> > > likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi

> paya.

>> > Abb

>> > > vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan

se

> padh

>> > kar

>> > > unka jawab dijiye(likhe).

>> > >

>> > > 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali

> kitab

>> > mein

>> > > thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee

> hogi iss

>> > > liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya.

Mein

> yehi

>> > baat

>> > > kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi

> likha

>> > hai,

>> > > jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain.

>> > >

>> > > 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal

(nek)

>> > milega

>> > > yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye

se ki

>> > kya woh

>> > > shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi)

>> > >

>> > > 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante

hain.

> kul

>> > kitne

>> > > page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo

> mein

>> > brikh

>> > > shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn

>> > > 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi

> milega

>> > > kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein

> barsat/rain ko

>> > > MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt..

jee ne

>> > sirf

>> > > khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha

>> > > thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border

area

> mein

>> > aam

>> > > bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein

> kulbir

>> > jee

>> > > ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah

iss

>> > shabad

>> > > ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye.

>> > >

>> > > 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se

> bandri

>> > aur

>> > > khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya

> brikh

>> > aur

>> > > barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha

bilkul

> nahi

>> > > janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana

> badh

>> > jati

>> > > hai.

>> > >

>> > > kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee

sabit

>> > karegi

>> > > pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur

battein.

>> > >

>> > > isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo

shabad

>> > hai woh

>> > > brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain

>> > > BARKHA........................

>> > >

>> > > MAHAJAN

>> > >

>> > > ,

""

>> > > <@> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun

>> > > >

>> > > > In the line being discussed :

>> > > >

>> > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å“Mangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh

kismet ka

>> > > prakash

>> > > > hogaÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½

>> > > >

>> > > > The word Ã¢â‚¬Ëœbrikh ka soorajÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ means the

sooraj of

>> Jyeshtha

>> > > > month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally

the

> sun is

>> > > > considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of

> Jyeshtha [

>> > > > roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on

page

> 220 of

>> > 1952

>> > > > urdu ed ]

>> > > >

>> > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [

bitter

> cold ]

>> > > there

>> > > > is an astrological axiom which says:

>> > > >

>> > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees

>> > > >

>> > > > Chilla jaarhe din chalees

>> > > >

>> > > > Ã¢â‚¬Ëœ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is

in the

>> last 15

>> > > > days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That

would

>> > amount to

>> > > > roughly December 28th to February 8th ]Ã¢â‚¬â„¢

>> > > >

>> > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify

the

> rasi

>> > where

>> > > > the sun is placed.

>> > > >

>> > > > Therefore the line would mean :

>> > > >

>> > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as

the sun

>> > shines

>> > > in

>> > > > the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha

rasi.

>> > > >

>> > > > God bless you,

>> > > >

>> > > > Bhooshan Priya

>> > > >

>> > > > , "Umesh

Sharma"

>> > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > In fact i could not understand this whole line

" Mangal Nek

> ka

>> > brikh

>> > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash

hoga"

> Agar "Brikh ko

>> > > rashi

>> > > > > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko

rashi main

> hone

>> > ka

>> > > phal

>> > > > > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey.

Esliye abhi

> tak

>> > > uljhan

>> > > > > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki

>> > > > >

>> > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka

phal juda

> hota

>> > hey

>> > > > > jaisa ki likha hey

>> > > > >

>> > > > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam

Dau milta hey,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta

hey. Ye

> juda

>> > phal

>> > > > > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par

gina

> jayega?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main

Mangal ki

> Nek

>> > > > > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki "

Bujurgon ke

> sambhandh

>> > main

>> > > > > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Both statements are different, one is for own

Native

> another is

>> > for

>> > > > > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > So i asked this question

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha..

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks & Regards

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Umesh Sharma

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere

swaal

> poochney ka

>> > > arth

>> > > > > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le

raha hoon,

> Sirf

>> > aur

>> > > > sirf

>> > > > > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar

paun yehi

> mera

>> > > pryaas

>> > > > > hey.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > , kulbir

bance

>> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Varun ji,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He

is a person of

>> > > > > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus

hota to wah yeh

>> > shansha

>> > > hi

>> > > > > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte

to kitabon

> ka

>> > shudh

>> > > > roop

>> > > > > > bhi kabhi na milta.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment

from ur

>> > > > > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to

aapke aise

>> > pahelion

>> > > > jaise

>> > > > > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It

reminds of ur

>> > arguements

>> > > > with

>> > > > > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Repards.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Kulbir.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to

look for

> alternative

>> > > > > > > possibilities. Looking for other

'sambhavana' should

> not be

>> > > taken

>> > > > as

>> > > > > > > finding fault with the book.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other

possibilities

> and

>> > > evaluate

>> > > > > > > them. On finding them as not plausible

he may later on

>> > discard

>> > > > them.

>> > > > > > > But the exercise per se is a valid

scientific exercise

> and

>> > we

>> > > > should

>> > > > > > > not discourage it.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > With respect and regards,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > --- In

> , "heartzthief54"

>> > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to

aapko bahut jagah

> par

>> > > BRAKH

>> > > > > > > likha

>> > > > > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein

hee use kiya gaya

> hai

>> > na ki

>> > > > > > > jaise

>> > > > > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya

duniya ka bhala

> karna

>> > > chahte

>> > > > > > > hain

>> > > > > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko

samjhe na ki apni

>> > taraf se

>> > > > > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye..

LAL KITAB ko LAL

> KITAB

>> > samajh

>> > > > ke

>> > > > > > > pade

>> > > > > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye

ya galtiyan

> nikalne ke

>> > liye

>> > > > > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya

Pandit Jee iske liye

> bhee

>> > 1952

>> > > > wale

>> > > > > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI

WOH MAINDAKO (FROG)

> KO

>> > TARAZU

>> > > > > MEIN

>> > > > > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh

bhee shayad zyada

> likha

>> > hai

>> > > > maine)

>> > > > > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein

iss topic ko yehi

> par

>> > bandh

>> > > > > > > karta

>> > > > > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi

bhee mangta hoon.

> Aapke

>> > > vichar

>> > > > > > > aapko

>> > > > > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein

kya sochte hain yeh

> wohi

>> > jane

>> > > > ya

>> > > > > > > unka

>> > > > > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar

mein ya aap ek dusre

> se

>> > sehmat

>> > > > > > > nahi to

>> > > > > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap

ek dusre se zyada

> jante

>> > > > > > > hain,balki

>> > > > > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh

hai aap log LAL

> KITAB

>> > ko

>> > > > padte

>> > > > > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye

aur mein padta hoon

> sirf

>> > or

>> > > > sirf

>> > > > > > > gyan

>> > > > > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala

karne ke liye (Isko

> kehte

>> > > hain

>> > > > > > > apne

>> > > > > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon

( agar aapko lagi

> ho

>> > to ?)

>> > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > >> Mahajan

>> > > > > > >> --- In

> , "varun_trvd"

>> > > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh

Sharma ji and Mahajan ji

> also

>> > as

>> > > to

>> > > > > > > what

>> > > > > > >> > they think about this

interpretation.

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji

please !!

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> >

>> > > > > > >> > --- In

, kulbir

> bance

>> > > > > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before

the line containing word

>> > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab

kahani bhi baitha ho uch

>> > phal ka

>> > > > > > > hoga. Had

>> > > > > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha

this line is would be

> rendered

>> > > > > > > meaningless.

>> > > > > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be

restricted to be in taurus

> or

>> > khanna

>> > > > no.

>> > > > > > > 2.

>> > > > > > >> > The

>> > > > > > >> > > context as whole makes

barkha all the more

> relevent.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance

kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be

precise barkha is used to denote

>> > varsha

>> > > > rain

>> > > > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > common

>> > > > > > >> > > > parlance in the

border belt joining himachal

> pradesh

>> > and

>> > > > > > > punjab.

>> > > > > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09,

varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> You are

absolutely right about the metaphors

> and the

>> > > > imagery

>> > > > > > >> > used in

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab..

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> If brakh or

brakha are used for rain in the

>> > colloquial

>> > > > > > > parlance

>> > > > > > >> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the

imagery of the rising sun,

> rainbow,

>> > > > jangal

>> > > > > > > mein

>> > > > > > >> > > >> mangal etc would

fit in very well.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >> --- In

,

> kulbir

>> > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

<kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Respected

Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> the book time

and again uses metaphors,

> imagery,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> symbolism

extensively. Plus in recent past we

> have

>> > come

>> > > > > > > across

>> > > > > > >> > some

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> spelling

mistakes also. Therefore neither

> jungle

>> > nor

>> > > > brakh

>> > > > > > > have

>> > > > > > >> > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> taken in

literal sense. Brakh could very much

> mean

>> > > > brakha.

>> > > > > > > And

>> > > > > > >> > it

>> > > > > > >> > > >> fits

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> in the flow

of language in the para.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09,

varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Dear

Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you

will be right if the literal meaning

> of

>> > the

>> > > > > > > phrase is

>> > > > > > >> > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > taken

instead of metaphorical meaning.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Varun

Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > --- In

,

>> > kulbir

>> > > > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

<kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> if u

go by the literal sense then jungle

> should

>> > also

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and

>> > cold in

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > same

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > breath.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> What

happens when sun shines in rain, a

> rainbow

>> > > > emerges.

>> > > > > > > Nau

>> > > > > > >> > hi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > grah

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

mangal gayein.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

Regards.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> On

2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

I am afraid no.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,

>> > [which

>> > > I

>> > > > > > >> > personally

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > take

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

--- In

> ,

>> > kulbir

>> > > > > > > bance

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

<kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery

>> > can the

>> > > > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > mean

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

barkha to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> say sun will shine in rain. It has same

>> > meaning

>> > > as

>> > > > > > > jangal

>> > > > > > >> > me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

mangal.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur

> views

>> > > also.

>> > > > > > >> > Respect and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> regards. Kulbir.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Respected Vishal ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > The exact quote under discussion is :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Ã¢â‚¬Å“ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal

>> nek

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> mein

>> > > > > > >> > > >> sooraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash

>> > > hogaÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½

>> > > > [

>> > > > > 1942

>> > > > > > >> urdu

>> > > > > > >> > ed ;

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

page

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > 168 line 17]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > In the above sentence note the word

>> > > > > Ã¢â‚¬ËœkaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢;

>> > > > > > >> this means

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one

> says

>> > > > > > >> Ã¢â‚¬Ëœbhagya ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > soorajÃ¢â‚¬â„¢. Hence it can be read as

>> 'mangal

>> > > > nek

>> > > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> sooraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >> brakh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is

> used

>> > as a

>> > > > > > >> > metaphor and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > not

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

as a

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would

> mean

>> > that

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > >> > destiny

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

shine

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has

> risen

>> > in

>> > > the

>> > > > > > > brakh

>> > > > > > >> > [ 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

house].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd

>> > house ].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Since the mars is already placed in the

>> > 9th,

>> > > and

>> > > > it

>> > > > > > > can

>> > > > > > >> > not

>> > > > > > >> > > >> be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in

> the

>> > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > therefore my

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

opinion is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of

>> > > Jupiter,

>> > > > > and

>> > > > > > >> > the sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter

> makes

>> > the

>> > > > > > > imagery

>> > > > > > >> > all

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

more

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > powerful.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > The example you have given of Saturn

> 9th

>> > and

>> > > > being

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

strengthened

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

by Venus

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > in the 2nd is a very good example.

> This is

>> > > inter-

>> > > > > > >> > planetary

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

relationship

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > which has been talked about through

> out in

>> > the

>> > > > > > > book. In

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > book

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

most of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > the results for planets are given in

>> > relation

>> > > to

>> > > > > > > other

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

planetary

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > placements.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th

>> > would

>> > > be

>> > > > > > > that of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > takraav

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

[ 6-8

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds

> from

>> > the

>> > > > ocean

>> > > > > > > of

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >> 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > go

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

and

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd

> and

>> > > > > > > precipitate

>> > > > > > >> > in

>> > > > > > >> > > >> the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

4th.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

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>> >

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>> >

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>> >

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>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

>> > , "vishalastrologer"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> Respected Varun ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> number 9 ki hai.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR

> ASAR 2

>> > > DETA

>> > > > HO

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI

> GUNA 9

>> > HOTA

>> > > HO

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka

>> > dusre

>> > > > > > > shukar se

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me

> jikar

>> > hai

>> > > ki

>> > > > 9

>> > > > > > >> > ghar ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

shani shubh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to

>> > jahan tak

>> > > > > > > maine

>> > > > > > >> > > >> samjhne

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > koshish

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki

>> > shani ki

>> > > > > > > mashooka

>> > > > > > >> > (YEH

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

SHABAD LAL

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani

> sani ki

>> > > takat

>> > > > > > > barata

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > 9

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost

> hai.lal

>> > kitab

>> > > ke

>> > > > > > >> > farmaan

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > (1939)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

page

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > no.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi

>> > suraj,mangal

>> > > badh

>> > > > > ke

>> > > > > > >> > ghar(8)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

hoga to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi

> manege.yani

>> > > mangal

>> > > > ko

>> > > > > > > jab

>> > > > > > >> > > >> suraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

(lord

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to

>> > mangal

>> > > > > > >> > (hanumaan) to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

hi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se

> sambhand

>> > ki

>> > > yeh

>> > > > > > > doosri

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > example

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya

>> > sambhand

>> > > hai

>> > > > > > > abi tak

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > adhoora

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE

>> > SAMUNDAR SE

>> > > > HAWA

>> > > > > > >> > CHAL KAR

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

DUSRE GHAR

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME

>> > WARSHA

>> > > KARE

>> > > > > > > GI)

>> > > > > > >> > magar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > yahan

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > chothe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh

>> > baat

>> > > > > adhoori

>> > > > > > >> > samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >> me

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

aa rahi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic

> proper

>> > > maloom

>> > > > ho

>> > > > > > > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >> please

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

explain

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma

>> > hai.bus hum

>> > > > > > > sabhi

>> > > > > > >> > ko ek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

yaad

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne

>> > thoda sa

>> > > > > gyan

>> > > > > > >> > bakhsha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hai

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > itne

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha

>> > dikhaye.ho

>> > > > > > > sakta

>> > > > > > >> > hai jo

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > doosro

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is

>> > master in

>> > > > > this

>> > > > > > >> > world

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

expect the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> creator of this world.so never test

>> > anyone,ho

>> > > > sako

>> > > > > > > to

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

banto.VIDYA DAAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT

> RAHE

>> > HAI

>> > > > APNE

>> > > > > > >> > SANATAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

DHARAM KA

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE

> HAI.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> with regards

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> kunwar vishal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> --- In

>> > > > > > >> >

, "varun_trvd"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars

> placed

>> > in

>> > > the

>> > > > > > > 9th

>> > > > > > >> > house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

give

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of

> the

>> > sun

>> > > > > > > placed

>> > > > > > >> > in the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > and not its malefic results?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Can you give any other similar

> example

>> > from

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > book

>> > > > > > >> > > >> where

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

the book

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > says that only benefic results will

>> > accrue

>> > > and

>> > > > > > > not

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

malefic ones?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

> , "heartzthief54"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > Varun Jee,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi

> thaa jo

>> > aap

>> > > > > nikal

>> > > > > > >> > rahe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hain ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar

>> > dega.balki

>> > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > thaa ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >> jo

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

khana no

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > 2 ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee

>> > mangal

>> > > 9

>> > > > > > > wale ko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > milenge

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

(nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > mayno

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee

> suraj 2

>> > ke

>> > > > mandi

>> > > > > > >> > halat ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

phal nahi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2

> mein

>> > hoga

>> > > to

>> > > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > dekhna

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hoga

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

ki

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > suraj

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj

> mandi

>> > halat

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > > > phal

>> > > > > > >> > de

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > raha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

hai ya

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein

> mangal

>> > kis

>> > > > halat

>> > > > > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> > phal

>> > > > > > >> > > >> de

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

raha hai.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > agar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe

>> > hain to

>> > > > yeh

>> > > > > > >> > sone pe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

suhaga wali

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni

>> > aadaton

>> > > se

>> > > > > > >> > mazboor ho

>> > > > > > >> > > >> ke

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

bhee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > achhe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat

> nahi

>> > kar

>> > > > pata

>> > > > > > > ya

>> > > > > > >> > unhe

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > bhee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

neech

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee

>> > > > > halat(nishaniya)

>> > > > > > >> > dekh

>> > > > > > >> > > >> kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > bataya

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > ja

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah

> kis

>> > > jagah

>> > > > > > > par hai

>> > > > > > >> > > >> unko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

dekh kar

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha

>> > hai ki

>> > > > aap

>> > > > > > > meri

>> > > > > > >> > baat

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

samajh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > gaye

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > honge.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

> , "varun_trvd"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > If what you say is correct,

> then I

>> > would

>> > > > > > > love to

>> > > > > > >> > hear

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

your views

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > on

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > following, point by point:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in

> the

>> > 9th

>> > > > house

>> > > > > > > give

>> > > > > > >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

results of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in

> the 9th

>> > > house

>> > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > >> > at the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

same time

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you

>> > mean to

>> > > > say

>> > > > > > >> > that the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

kundali

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > have

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd

>> > house

>> > > > twice

>> > > > > > >> > over?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that

> the

>> > mars

>> > > in

>> > > > > > > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >> will

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > be

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

like

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > the Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak

> makes

>> > his

>> > > 2nd

>> > > > > > > house

>> > > > > > >> > Sun

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

malefic,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > would it

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in

> the 9th

>> > > will

>> > > > > > > also

>> > > > > > >> > turn

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

malefic? or

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > visa

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > versa?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents,

>> > apart

>> > > from

>> > > > > > > other

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > things,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > karaks of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a

> Mars

>> > > placed

>> > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > signify

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > these things?

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the

> Sun in

>> > the

>> > > > 2nd

>> > > > > > >> > house the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Lal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Kitab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > says :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru

>> > pradhan

>> > > > ho

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor

> duniya

>> > daan

>> > > ko

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > How can the above be justified

> if

>> > the

>> > > mars

>> > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > the 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

house is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > turned

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that

> the

>> > Mars

>> > > > > will

>> > > > > > >> > behave

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > like

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > sun.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

,

>> > > "heartzthief54"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan

> par

>> > brikh

>> > > > ka

>> > > > > > >> > matlab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > rashi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

hai,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > matlab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka

> asar

>> > hota

>> > > > hai

>> > > > > > >> > vaise

>> > > > > > >> > > >> hee

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > jab

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa

> hee

>> > asar

>> > > > hoga

>> > > > > > > (nek

>> > > > > > >> > > >> mayno

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

mein)

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >

> , "varun_trvd"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars

>> > placed in

>> > > > the

>> > > > > > > 9th

>> > > > > > >> > > >> house,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > a

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

house

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > Jupiter.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is

> used in

>> > the

>> > > > > > > context

>> > > > > > >> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Palmistry.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Brikha

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the

> burza

>> > of

>> > > > > > > Jupiter [

>> > > > > > >> > mount

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > jupiter].

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the

> line

>> > would

>> > > > > > > mean :

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house

>> > would

>> > > > result

>> > > > > > > in

>> > > > > > >> > as if

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > the

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

sun of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > shubh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [

>> > mount]

>> > > of

>> > > > > > >> > Jupiter.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Regards,

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > --- In

>> > > > > > >> > > >>

, "Umesh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Sharma"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji &

> Members

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand

> this

>> > > word

>> > > > > > > which

>> > > > > > >> > is

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > used in

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> > Edition

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > 1942

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9

>> > Page

>> > > 168

>> > > > > > > Line

>> > > > > > >> > No.

>> > > > > > >> > > >> 17 "

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Mangal

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > Nek ka

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > Brikh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah

>> > kismat

>> > > ka

>> > > > > > > prakash

>> > > > > > >> > > >> hoga"

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >

Plz

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > explain of

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > word

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > Regards

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > > Umesh

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > Sharma

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

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>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> >

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>>

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> --

>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >>

>> Sent from my mobile device

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>> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> --

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>> > > > > > >> > > >>>

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