Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun In the line being discussed : “Mangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka prakash hoga†The word ‘brikh ka sooraj’ means the sooraj of Jyeshtha month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the sun is considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of Jyeshtha [ roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page 220 of 1952 urdu ed ] I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter cold ] there is an astrological axiom which says: Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees Chilla jaarhe din chalees ‘ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the last 15 days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would amount to roughly December 28th to February 8th ]’ In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the rasi where the sun is placed. Therefore the line would mean : Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun shines in the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , "Umesh Sharma" <mudit982001 wrote:>> > Dear Kulbeer Ji,> > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko rashi> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey> jaisa ki likha hey> > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for> Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> > So i asked this question> > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> > > Thanks & Regards> > > Umesh Sharma> > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur sirf> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas> hey.> > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance> kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Varun ji,> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh roop> > bhi kabhi na milta.> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion jaise> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements with> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> >> > Repards.> >> > Kulbir.> >> >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken as> > > finding fault with the book.> > >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard them.> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we should> > > not discourage it.> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "heartzthief54"> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >>> > >>> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> > >>> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH> > > likha> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki> > > jaise> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> > >>> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte> > > hain> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke> > > pade> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> > >>> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU> MEIN> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> > >>> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine)> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh> > > karta> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar> > > aapko> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya> > > unka> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat> > > nahi to> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> > > hain,balki> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf> > > gyan> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain> > > apne> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> > >>> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)> > >>> > >> Mahajan> > >> , "varun_trvd"> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to> > > what> > >> > they think about this interpretation.> > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Regards,> > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > , kulbir bance> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Varun ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka> > > hoga. Had> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > > meaningless.> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no.> > > 2.> > >> > The> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards.> > >> > >> > >> > > Kulbir.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain> > > in> > >> > common> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and> > > punjab.> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery> > >> > used in> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial> > > parlance> > >> > of> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal> > > mein> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> , kulbir bance> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come> > > across> > >> > some> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh> > > have> > >> > to> > >> > > >> be> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha.> > > And> > >> > it> > >> > > >> fits> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> Regards.> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the> > > phrase is> > >> > to> > >> > > >> be> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir bance> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the> > > same> > >> > > >>> > breath.> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges.> > > Nau> > >> > hi> > >> > > >>> > grah> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I> > >> > personally> > >> > > >>> > take> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir> > > bance> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the> > > brakh> > >> > mean> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as> > > jangal> > >> > me> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.> > >> > Respect and> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka> brakh> > >> mein> > >> > > >> sooraj> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [> 1942> > >> urdu> > >> > ed ;> > >> > > >>> >> > page> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> ‘ka’;> > >> this means> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> > >> ‘bhagya ka> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek> ka> > >> sooraj> > >> > > >> brakh> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a> > >> > metaphor and> > >> > > >>> > not> > >> > > >>> >> > as a> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the> > >> > destiny> > >> > > >>> > will> > >> > > >>> >> > shine> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the> > > brakh> > >> > [ 2nd> > >> > > >>> >> > house].> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it> > > can> > >> > not> > >> > > >> be> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd> > >> > therefore my> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter,> and> > >> > the sun> > >> > > >>> > of> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the> > > imagery> > >> > all> > >> > > >> the> > >> > > >>> >> > more> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being> > >> > > >>> > strengthened> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-> > >> > planetary> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the> > > book. In> > >> > the> > >> > > >>> > book> > >> > > >>> >> > most of> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to> > > other> > >> > > >>> > planetary> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be> > > that of> > >> > > >>> > takraav> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean> > > of> > >> > the> > >> > > >> 9th> > >> > > >>> > go> > >> > > >>> >> > and> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and> > > precipitate> > >> > in> > >> > > >> the> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In> > >> > > >> , "vishalastrologer"> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre> > > shukar se> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9> > >> > ghar ka> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak> > > maine> > >> > > >> samjhne> > >> > > >>> > ki> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki> > > mashooka> > >> > (YEH> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat> > > barata> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke> > >> > farmaan> > >> > > >>> > (1939)> > >> > > >>> >> > page> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh> ke> > >> > ghar(8)> > >> > > >>> > me> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko> > > jab> > >> > > >> suraj> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal> > >> > (hanumaan) to> > >> > > >>> > nek> > >> > > >>> >> > hi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh> > > doosri> > >> > > >>> > example> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai> > > abi tak> > >> > > >>> > adhoora> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA> > >> > CHAL KAR> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE> > > GI)> > >> > magar> > >> > > >>> > yahan> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat> adhoori> > >> > samajh> > >> > > >> me> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho> > > to> > >> > > >> please> > >> > > >>> >> > explain> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum> > > sabhi> > >> > ko ek> > >> > > >>> > baat> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa> gyan> > >> > bakhsha> > >> > > >>> > hai> > >> > > >>> >> > to> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho> > > sakta> > >> > hai jo> > >> > > >>> > baat> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in> this> > >> > world> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako> > > to> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE> > >> > SANATAN> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards> > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In> > >> > , "varun_trvd"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the> > > 9th> > >> > house> > >> > > >>> > will> > >> > > >>> >> > give> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun> > > placed> > >> > in the> > >> > > >>> > 2nd> > >> > > >>> >> > house> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the> > > book> > >> > > >> where> > >> > > >>> >> > the book> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and> > > not> > >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In> > >> > > >> , "heartzthief54"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap> nikal> > >> > rahe> > >> > > >>> > hain ki> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh> > >> > thaa ki> > >> > > >> jo> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9> > > wale ko> > >> > > >>> > milenge> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi> > >> > halat ke> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to> yeh> > >> > dekhna> > >> > > >>> > hoga> > >> > > >>> >> > ki> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka> > > phal> > >> > de> > >> > > >>> > raha> > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat> > > ka> > >> > phal> > >> > > >> de> > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh> > >> > sone pe> > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se> > >> > mazboor ho> > >> > > >> ke> > >> > > >>> >> > bhee> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata> > > ya> > >> > unhe> > >> > > >>> > bhee> > >> > > >>> >> > neech> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee> halat(nishaniya)> > >> > dekh> > >> > > >> kar> > >> > > >>> > hee> > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah> > > par hai> > >> > > >> unko> > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap> > > meri> > >> > baat> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In> > >> > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would> > > love to> > >> > hear> > >> > > >>> >> > your views> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house> > > give> > >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> > results of> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house> > > and> > >> > at the> > >> > > >>> >> > same time> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say> > >> > that the> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice> > >> > over?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in> > > the 9th> > >> > > >> will> > >> > > >>> > be> > >> > > >>> >> > like> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd> > > house> > >> > Sun> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will> > > also> > >> > turn> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from> > > other> > >> > > >>> > things,> > >> > > >>> >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed> in> > >> > the 9th> > >> > > >>> >> > house> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd> > >> > house the> > >> > > >>> > Lal> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars> in> > >> > the 9th> > >> > > >>> >> > house is> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars> will> > >> > behave> > >> > > >>> > like> > >> > > >>> >> > the> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In> > >> > > >>> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka> > >> > matlab> > >> > > >>> > rashi> > >> > > >>> >> > hai,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai> > >> > vaise> > >> > > >> hee> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga> > > (nek> > >> > > >> mayno> > >> > > >>> >> > mein)> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In> > >> > > >>> > , "varun_trvd"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the> > > 9th> > >> > > >> house,> > >> > > >>> > a> > >> > > >>> >> > house> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the> > > context> > >> > of> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of> > > Jupiter [> > >> > mount> > >> > > >>> > of> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would> > > mean :> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result> > > in> > >> > as if> > >> > > >>> > the> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of> > >> > Jupiter.> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In> > >> > > >> , "Umesh> > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma"> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members> > >> > > >>> >> 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Kulbir Jee, Varun Jee, Umesh jee & Bhushan Jee, Baat ho rahi thee ki kitab mein yeh galat print hua hai (Brikh) . Kulbir jee AUr Varun jee yeh kehte hain ki wahan sahi shabad Barkha hai,ya hona chahiye. Bhushan jee no example de kar samjhaya hai mein bhee kuchh iss tarah hee likhna chahta tha, lekin net ki prblm ki vajah se likh nahi paya. Abb vohi baatein mein detali mein likh raha hoon, kripya dhayan se padh kar unka jawab dijiye(likhe). 1) 1939 mein kuchh galtiyan thee unka darustinama 1940 wali kitab mein thaa. Uske baad Pt. Jee ne bade dhayan se proof reading kee hogi iss liye uske baad wali kisi kitab ka darusti nama nahi aya. Mein yehi baat kehna chahta tha na ki yeh ki 1952 wali kitab mein bhee yehi likha hai, jaisa ki kulbir jee samajh rahe hain. 2) Mangal Khana no 9 ke liye kya suraj khana no 2 ka phal (nek) milega yeh janane ke liye 1952 wali kitab dekhe.(sirf iss nazriye se ki kya woh shabad brikh hai ya barkha? kisi dusre matlab ke liye nahi) 3)1939 se lekar 1952 tak 5 kitabe ayee yeh sab log jante hain. kul kitne page hue yeh bhee aapko pata hoga............? 5 ki 5 kitabo mein brikh shabad kitni baar aya hoga? shayad kafi baar. lekin kya inn 2000(andazan) page mein kahin shabad barkha aapko mila, nahi milega kyonki barkha ke liye wahan aapko meenh(punjabi mein barsat/rain ko MEENH kehte hain) shabad milega ya barsat milega. Kya Pt. jee ne sirf khana no 9 (mangal) ke liye hee yeh shabad sambhal kar rakha thaa.Barkha/Varkha shabad aapko pb. - Himachal ke border area mein aam bolchal ki bhasha mein boltey hue kafi log mil jayenge mein kulbir jee ki iss baat se sehmat hoon. Lekin kitab mein aur kitni jagah iss shabad ka prayog hua hai yeh bataye. 4)Badri(hindi), zuda (urdu) mein sirf ek bindi(.) lagane se bandri aur khuda ban jata hai,jis se pura matlab badal jata hai to kya brikh aur barkha mein bhee thoda sa hee farak hai(mein urdu bhasha bilkul nahi janta)jis se ki proof reading mein galati hone ki sambhavana badh jati hai. kuchh aur batein bhee hai jo iss shabad ko brikh rashi hee sabit karegi pehle aap log ooper likhi baton pe gaur karein fir aur battein. isko aap meri hathdharmi bhee mann sakte hain ki wahan jo shabad hai woh brikh rashi hai na ki koi aur jaisa ki aap kehte hain BARKHA........................ MAHAJAN , "" < wrote:>> > Dear Umesh ji, Kulbir ji and Varun> > > > In the line being discussed :> > > > “Mangal nek ka brikh mein nikale sooraj ki tarh kismet ka prakash> hogaâ€> > > > The word ‘brikh ka sooraj’ means the sooraj of Jyeshtha> month of Hindi calendar. We all know that traditionally the sun is> considered at its hottest and brightest in the month of Jyeshtha [> roughly from May 15th to June 15th ] [ Ref : table on page 220 of 1952> urdu ed ]> > > > I will give you another example, for chilla jaarhe [ bitter cold ] there> is an astrological axiom which says:> > > > Dhanu ke pandrah, Makar pachees> > Chilla jaarhe din chalees> > > > ‘ the bitter cold is for 40 days when the sun is in the last 15> days of Dhanu and the initial 25 days of Makar. [That would amount to> roughly December 28th to February 8th ]’> > > > In the above context also both Dhanu and Makar signify the rasi where> the sun is placed.> > > > Therefore the line would mean :> > > > Mangal nek in the 9th house would shine as brightly as the sun shines in> the month of Jyeshtha when it is placed in the Brikha rasi.> > > > God bless you,> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Umesh Sharma"> mudit982001@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Kulbeer Ji,> >> > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh> > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko rashi> > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal> > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan> > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> >> >> >> > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey> > jaisa ki likha hey> >> > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> >> > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal> > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> >> > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main> > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> >> > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for> > Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> >> > So i asked this question> >> > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> >> >> > Thanks & Regards> >> >> > Umesh Sharma> >> > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth> > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur> sirf> > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas> > hey.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> > > Varun ji,> > >> > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi> > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh> roop> > > bhi kabhi na milta.> > >> > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion> jaise> > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements> with> > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> > >> > > Repards.> > >> > > Kulbir.> > >> > >> > >> > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > >> > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken> as> > > > finding fault with the book.> > > >> > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate> > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard> them.> > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we> should> > > > not discourage it.> > > >> > > > With respect and regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> > > >>> > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH> > > > likha> > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki> > > > jaise> > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> > > >>> > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte> > > > hain> > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se> > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh> ke> > > > pade> > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye> > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952> wale> > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> > > >>> > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU> > MEIN> > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> > > >>> > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai> maine)> > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh> > > > karta> > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar> > > > aapko> > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane> ya> > > > unka> > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat> > > > nahi to> > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> > > > hain,balki> > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko> padte> > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or> sirf> > > > gyan> > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain> > > > apne> > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> > > >>> > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)> > > >>> > > >> Mahajan> > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> >> > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> >> > > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> > > >> >> > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to> > > > what> > > >> > they think about this interpretation.> > > >> >> > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Regards,> > > >> >> > > >> > Varun Trivedi> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > , kulbir bance> > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Varun ji,> > > >> > >> > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh> > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka> > > > hoga. Had> > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > > > meaningless.> > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna> no.> > > > 2.> > > >> > The> > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Regards.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Kulbir.> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha> rain> > > > in> > > >> > common> > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and> > > > punjab.> > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the> imagery> > > >> > used in> > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial> > > > parlance> > > >> > of> > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow,> jangal> > > > mein> > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> , kulbir bance> > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come> > > > across> > > >> > some> > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor> brakh> > > > have> > > >> > to> > > >> > > >> be> > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean> brakha.> > > > And> > > >> > it> > > >> > > >> fits> > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>> Regards.> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the> > > > phrase is> > > >> > to> > > >> > > >> be> > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> > Regards,> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> > , kulbir> bance> > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also> > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in> the> > > > same> > > >> > > >>> > breath.> > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow> emerges.> > > > Nau> > > >> > hi> > > >> > > >>> > grah> > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I> > > >> > personally> > > >> > > >>> > take> > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir> > > > bance> > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the> > > > brakh> > > >> > mean> > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as> > > > jangal> > > >> > me> > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.> > > >> > Respect and> > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> > > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek> ka> > brakh> > > >> mein> > > >> > > >> sooraj> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga��> [> > 1942> > > >> urdu> > > >> > ed ;> > > >> > > >>> >> > page> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> > ‘ka’;> > > >> this means> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> > > >> ‘bhagya ka> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal> nek> > ka> > > >> sooraj> > > >> > > >> brakh> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a> > > >> > metaphor and> > > >> > > >>> > not> > > >> > > >>> >> > as a> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that> the> > > >> > destiny> > > >> > > >>> > will> > > >> > > >>> >> > shine> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the> > > > brakh> > > >> > [ 2nd> > > >> > > >>> >> > house].> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and> it> > > > can> > > >> > not> > > >> > > >> be> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd> > > >> > therefore my> > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter,> > and> > > >> > the sun> > > >> > > >>> > of> > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the> > > > imagery> > > >> > all> > > >> > > >> the> > > >> > > >>> >> > more> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and> being> > > >> > > >>> > strengthened> > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-> > > >> > planetary> > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the> > > > book. In> > > >> > the> > > >> > > >>> > book> > > >> > > >>> >> > most of> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to> > > > other> > > >> > > >>> > planetary> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be> > > > that of> > > >> > > >>> > takraav> > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the> ocean> > > > of> > > >> > the> > > >> > > >> 9th> > > >> > > >>> > go> > > >> > > >>> >> > and> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and> > > > precipitate> > > >> > in> > > >> > > >> the> > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In> > > >> > > >> , "vishalastrologer"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA> HO> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre> > > > shukar se> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki> 9> > > >> > ghar ka> > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak> > > > maine> > > >> > > >> samjhne> > > >> > > >>> > ki> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki> > > > mashooka> > > >> > (YEH> > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat> > > > barata> > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur> > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke> > > >> > farmaan> > > >> > > >>> > (1939)> > > >> > > >>> >> > page> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh> > ke> > > >> > ghar(8)> > > >> > > >>> > me> > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal> ko> > > > jab> > > >> > > >> suraj> > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal> > > >> > (hanumaan) to> > > >> > > >>> > nek> > > >> > > >>> >> > hi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh> > > > doosri> > > >> > > >>> > example> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai> > > > abi tak> > > >> > > >>> > adhoora> > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE> HAWA> > > >> > CHAL KAR> > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE> > > > GI)> > > >> > magar> > > >> > > >>> > yahan> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat> > adhoori> > > >> > samajh> > > >> > > >> me> > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom> ho> > > > to> > > >> > > >> please> > > >> > > >>> >> > explain> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum> > > > sabhi> > > >> > ko ek> > > >> > > >>> > baat> > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa> > gyan> > > >> > bakhsha> > > >> > > >>> > hai> > > >> > > >>> >> > to> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho> > > > sakta> > > >> > hai jo> > > >> > > >>> > baat> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in> > this> > > >> > world> > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho> sako> > > > to> > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI> APNE> > > >> > SANATAN> > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In> > > >> > , "varun_trvd"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the> > > > 9th> > > >> > house> > > >> > > >>> > will> > > >> > > >>> >> > give> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun> > > > placed> > > >> > in the> > > >> > > >>> > 2nd> > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from> the> > > > book> > > >> > > >> where> > > >> > > >>> >> > the book> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and> > > > not> > > >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In> > > >> > > >> , "heartzthief54"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap> > nikal> > > >> > rahe> > > >> > > >>> > hain ki> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki> yeh> > > >> > thaa ki> > > >> > > >> jo> > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9> > > > wale ko> > > >> > > >>> > milenge> > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke> mandi> > > >> > halat ke> > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to> > yeh> > > >> > dekhna> > > >> > > >>> > hoga> > > >> > > >>> >> > ki> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat> ka> > > > phal> > > >> > de> > > >> > > >>> > raha> > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis> halat> > > > ka> > > >> > phal> > > >> > > >> de> > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to> yeh> > > >> > sone pe> > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se> > > >> > mazboor ho> > > >> > > >> ke> > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar> pata> > > > ya> > > >> > unhe> > > >> > > >>> > bhee> > > >> > > >>> >> > neech> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee> > halat(nishaniya)> > > >> > dekh> > > >> > > >> kar> > > >> > > >>> > hee> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah> > > > par hai> > > >> > > >> unko> > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki> aap> > > > meri> > > >> > baat> > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In> > > >> > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would> > > > love to> > > >> > hear> > > >> > > >>> >> > your views> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th> house> > > > give> > > >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> > results of> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house> > > > and> > > >> > at the> > > >> > > >>> >> > same time> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to> say> > > >> > that the> > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house> twice> > > >> > over?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in> > > > the 9th> > > >> > > >> will> > > >> > > >>> > be> > > >> > > >>> >> > like> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd> > > > house> > > >> > Sun> > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will> > > > also> > > >> > turn> > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from> > > > other> > > >> > > >>> > things,> > > >> > > >>> >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed> > in> > > >> > the 9th> > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the> 2nd> > > >> > house the> > > >> > > >>> > Lal> > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan> ho> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars> > in> > > >> > the 9th> > > >> > > >>> >> > house is> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars> > will> > > >> > behave> > > >> > > >>> > like> > > >> > > >>> >> > the> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In> > > >> > > >>> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh> ka> > > >> > matlab> > > >> > > >>> > rashi> > > >> > > >>> >> > hai,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota> hai> > > >> > vaise> > > >> > > >> hee> > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar> hoga> > > > (nek> > > >> > > >> mayno> > > >> > > >>> >> > mein)> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In> > > >> > > >>> > , "varun_trvd"> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in> the> > > > 9th> > > >> > > >> house,> > > >> > > >>> > a> > > >> > > >>> >> > house> > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the> > > > context> > > >> > of> > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of> > > > Jupiter [> > > >> > mount> > > >> > > >>> > of> > > 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