Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Kulbeer Ji, In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko rashi man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey jaisa ki likha hey " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho". Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for Grand Parants, So which is we taken? So i asked this question Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. Thanks & Regards Umesh Sharma Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur sirf aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas hey. , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Varun ji,> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi> na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh roop> bhi kabhi na milta.> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion jaise> sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements with> ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> > Repards.> > Kulbir.> > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote:> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken as> > finding fault with the book.> >> > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate> > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard them.> > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we should> > not discourage it.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >>> >>> >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> >>> >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH> > likha> >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki> > jaise> >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> >>> >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte> > hain> >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se> >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke> > pade> >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye> >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale> >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> >>> >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN> >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> >>> >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine)> >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh> > karta> >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar> > aapko> >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya> > unka> >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat> > nahi to> >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> > hain,balki> >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte> >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf> > gyan> >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain> > apne> >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> >>> >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)> >>> >> Mahajan> >> , "varun_trvd"> >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> >> > Yes, that makes sense.> >> >> >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to> > what> >> > they think about this interpretation.> >> >> >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Varun ji,> >> > >> >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh> >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka> > hoga. Had> >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > meaningless.> >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no.> > 2.> >> > The> >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> >> > >> >> > > Regards.> >> > >> >> > > Kulbir.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain> > in> >> > common> >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and> > punjab.> >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> >> > > >> >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > > >>> >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery> >> > used in> >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial> > parlance> >> > of> >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal> > mein> >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> Have a nice day,> >> > > >>> >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> , kulbir bance> >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come> > across> >> > some> >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh> > have> >> > to> >> > > >> be> >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha.> > And> >> > it> >> > > >> fits> >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> Regards.> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> Kulbir.> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the> > phrase is> >> > to> >> > > >> be> >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> > , kulbir bance> >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also> >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the> > same> >> > > >>> > breath.> >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges.> > Nau> >> > hi> >> > > >>> > grah> >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> Regards.> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I> >> > personally> >> > > >>> > take> >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir> > bance> >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the> > brakh> >> > mean> >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as> > jangal> >> > me> >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.> >> > Respect and> >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> >> > > >>> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh> >> mein> >> > > >> sooraj> >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ 1942> >> urdu> >> > ed ;> >> > > >>> >> > page> >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’;> >> this means> >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> >> ‘bhagya ka> >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka> >> sooraj> >> > > >> brakh> >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a> >> > metaphor and> >> > > >>> > not> >> > > >>> >> > as a> >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the> >> > destiny> >> > > >>> > will> >> > > >>> >> > shine> >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the> > brakh> >> > [ 2nd> >> > > >>> >> > house].> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it> > can> >> > not> >> > > >> be> >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd> >> > therefore my> >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and> >> > the sun> >> > > >>> > of> >> > > >>> >> > mangal> >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the> > imagery> >> > all> >> > > >> the> >> > > >>> >> > more> >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being> >> > > >>> > strengthened> >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-> >> > planetary> >> > > >>> >> > relationship> >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the> > book. In> >> > the> >> > > >>> > book> >> > > >>> >> > most of> >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to> > other> >> > > >>> > planetary> >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be> > that of> >> > > >>> > takraav> >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean> > of> >> > the> >> > > >> 9th> >> > > >>> > go> >> > > >>> >> > and> >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and> > precipitate> >> > in> >> > > >> the> >> > > >>> >> > 4th.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In> >> > > >> , "vishalastrologer"> >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana> >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre> > shukar se> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9> >> > ghar ka> >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak> > maine> >> > > >> samjhne> >> > > >>> > ki> >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki> > mashooka> >> > (YEH> >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL> >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat> > barata> >> > > >>> > hai.aur> >> > > >>> >> > mangal> >> > > >>> >> >> > 9> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke> >> > farmaan> >> > > >>> > (1939)> >> > > >>> >> > page> >> > > >>> >> >> > no.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke> >> > ghar(8)> >> > > >>> > me> >> > > >>> >> > hoga to> >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko> > jab> >> > > >> suraj> >> > > >>> >> > (lord> >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal> >> > (hanumaan) to> >> > > >>> > nek> >> > > >>> >> > hi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh> > doosri> >> > > >>> > example> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai> > abi tak> >> > > >>> > adhoora> >> > > >>> >> > samajh> >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA> >> > CHAL KAR> >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR> >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE> > GI)> >> > magar> >> > > >>> > yahan> >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori> >> > samajh> >> > > >> me> >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho> > to> >> > > >> please> >> > > >>> >> > explain> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum> > sabhi> >> > ko ek> >> > > >>> > baat> >> > > >>> >> > yaad> >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan> >> > bakhsha> >> > > >>> > hai> >> > > >>> >> > to> >> > > >>> >> >> > itne> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho> > sakta> >> > hai jo> >> > > >>> > baat> >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this> >> > world> >> > > >>> >> > expect the> >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako> > to> >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN> >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE> >> > SANATAN> >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA> >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal> >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In> >> > , "varun_trvd"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the> > 9th> >> > house> >> > > >>> > will> >> > > >>> >> > give> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun> > placed> >> > in the> >> > > >>> > 2nd> >> > > >>> >> > house> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the> > book> >> > > >> where> >> > > >>> >> > the book> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and> > not> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In> >> > > >> , "heartzthief54"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal> >> > rahe> >> > > >>> > hain ki> >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh> >> > thaa ki> >> > > >> jo> >> > > >>> >> > khana no> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9> > wale ko> >> > > >>> > milenge> >> > > >>> >> > (nek> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi> >> > halat ke> >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh> >> > dekhna> >> > > >>> > hoga> >> > > >>> >> > ki> >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka> > phal> >> > de> >> > > >>> > raha> >> > > >>> >> > hai ya> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat> > ka> >> > phal> >> > > >> de> >> > > >>> >> > raha hai.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh> >> > sone pe> >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se> >> > mazboor ho> >> > > >> ke> >> > > >>> >> > bhee> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata> > ya> >> > unhe> >> > > >>> > bhee> >> > > >>> >> > neech> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya)> >> > dekh> >> > > >> kar> >> > > >>> > hee> >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah> > par hai> >> > > >> unko> >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap> > meri> >> > baat> >> > > >>> >> > samajh> >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In> >> > > >> , "varun_trvd"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would> > love to> >> > hear> >> > > >>> >> > your views> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house> > give> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> > results of> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house> > and> >> > at the> >> > > >>> >> > same time> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say> >> > that the> >> > > >>> >> > kundali> >> > > >>> >> >> > will> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice> >> > over?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in> > the 9th> >> > > >> will> >> > > >>> > be> >> > > >>> >> > like> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd> > house> >> > Sun> >> > > >>> >> > malefic,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will> > also> >> > turn> >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from> > other> >> > > >>> > things,> >> > > >>> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in> >> > the 9th> >> > > >>> >> > house> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd> >> > house the> >> > > >>> > Lal> >> > > >>> >> > Kitab> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in> >> > the 9th> >> > > >>> >> > house is> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will> >> > behave> >> > > >>> > like> >> > > >>> >> > the> >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In> >> > > >>> >> > , "heartzthief54"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka> >> > matlab> >> > > >>> > rashi> >> > > >>> >> > hai,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai> >> > vaise> >> > > >> hee> >> > > >>> >> > mangal> >> > > >>> >> >> > jab> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga> > (nek> >> > > >> mayno> >> > > >>> >> > mein)> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In> >> > > >>> > , "varun_trvd"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the> > 9th> >> > > >> house,> >> > > >>> > a> >> > > >>> >> > house> >> > > >>> >> >> > of> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the> > context> >> > of> >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of> > Jupiter [> >> > mount> >> > > >>> > of> >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would> > mean :> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result> > in> >> > as if> >> > > >>> > the> >> > > >>> >> > sun of> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of> >> > Jupiter.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In> >> > > >> , "Umesh> >> > > >>> >> > Sharma"> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word> > which> >> > is> >> > > >>> > used in> >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168> > Line> >> > No.> >> > > >> 17 "> >> > > >>> >> > Mangal> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka> > prakash> >> > > >> hoga"> >> > > >>> >> > Plz> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> --> >> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device> >> > > >>> >> >>> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >> --> >> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Guruji, sahi hai ki yeh likha hai jaddi makkan bazurgon ke liye. Par 2 ka sooraj inh karakon ka pratik kaise bana. Practically anubhav kiye jane kaise prabhavit honge. Saath hi pt no 4 me likh diya ki walden ki halat guru chandra par nirbhar hogi. Guruji dekha hai ki amuman mangal 9 ke jatakon ke bazurag havelien me rahne wale hote hain. Par bazurgon ke makkanon ko suraj aur wah bhi 2 ka represent kaise karta hai. Pt. Bhooshanpriya ji ki baat man ko jachi. Aap bhi gaur karen lalkitab me likha hai ki ilm e samudrik me ant me nakshatra aur rashi ko chood hi diya gaya hai. Gaur talab hai ANT ME yani jab jatak varshphal vaastu hastrekha aur ilm qyafa lag chuka hai. Interesting baat hai shuru me likha hai ki DOOSRE SHASHTRI JYOTISH KI BURAI SE DOOR RAHEIN. It means don't criticise other streams of astrology aur hum yahi samjhate rahe ki shashtri jyotish bura hai isse bacho. Jab itna simple sentence 2 arth nikal sakta hai to complicated ya shaki halat me sabhi sambhavanon par gaur karne me kya harz hai. Baki jyotish to hai sambhavno par aadharit. DUNIAVI HISAB KITAB HAI KOI DAVA E KHUDAI NAHI. Zara si doubt clear karne ki koshish karo yeh self appointed custodians danda lekar nikal padte hain. Regards . Kulbir. On 3/2/09, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > > Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko rashi > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey > jaisa ki likha hey > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for > Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > So i asked this question > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > Thanks & Regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur sirf > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas > hey. > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Varun ji, >> >> i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of >> rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi >> na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh roop >> bhi kabhi na milta. >> >> Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur >> side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion jaise >> sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements with >> ur respected brother. So pleaseee. >> >> Repards. >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote: >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >> > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative >> > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken as >> > finding fault with the book. >> > >> > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate >> > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard them. >> > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we should >> > not discourage it. >> > >> > With respect and regards, >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, >> >> >> >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH >> > likha >> >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki >> > jaise >> >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. >> >> >> >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte >> > hain >> >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se >> >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke >> > pade >> >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye >> >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale >> >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. >> >> >> >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU > MEIN >> >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. >> >> >> >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine) >> >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh >> > karta >> >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar >> > aapko >> >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya >> > unka >> >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat >> > nahi to >> >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante >> > hain,balki >> >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte >> >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf >> > gyan >> >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain >> > apne >> >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). >> >> >> >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) >> >> >> >> Mahajan >> >> , " varun_trvd " >> >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> >> > Yes, that makes sense. >> >> > >> >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to >> > what >> >> > they think about this interpretation. >> >> > >> >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > , kulbir bance >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Varun ji, >> >> > > >> >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh >> >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka >> > hoga. Had >> >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered >> > meaningless. >> >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. >> > 2. >> >> > The >> >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. >> >> > > >> >> > > Regards. >> >> > > >> >> > > Kulbir. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain >> > in >> >> > common >> >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and >> > punjab. >> >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery >> >> > used in >> >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial >> > parlance >> >> > of >> >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal >> > mein >> >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Have a nice day, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> , kulbir bance >> >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, >> >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come >> > across >> >> > some >> >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh >> > have >> >> > to >> >> > > >> be >> >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. >> > And >> >> > it >> >> > > >> fits >> >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> Regards. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> Kulbir. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the >> > phrase is >> >> > to >> >> > > >> be >> >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > Regards, >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > , kulbir bance >> >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also >> >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the >> > same >> >> > > >>> > breath. >> >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. >> > Nau >> >> > hi >> >> > > >>> > grah >> >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> Regards. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I >> >> > personally >> >> > > >>> > take >> >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > Regards, >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir >> > bance >> >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the >> > brakh >> >> > mean >> >> > > >>> >> > barkha to >> >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as >> > jangal >> >> > me >> >> > > >>> >> > mangal. >> >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. >> >> > Respect and >> >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka > brakh >> >> mein >> >> > > >> sooraj >> >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ > 1942 >> >> urdu >> >> > ed ; >> >> > > >>> >> > page >> >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > ‘ka’; >> >> this means >> >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says >> >> ‘bhagya ka >> >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek > ka >> >> sooraj >> >> > > >> brakh >> >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a >> >> > metaphor and >> >> > > >>> > not >> >> > > >>> >> > as a >> >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the >> >> > destiny >> >> > > >>> > will >> >> > > >>> >> > shine >> >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the >> > brakh >> >> > [ 2nd >> >> > > >>> >> > house]. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it >> > can >> >> > not >> >> > > >> be >> >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd >> >> > therefore my >> >> > > >>> >> > opinion is >> >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, > and >> >> > the sun >> >> > > >>> > of >> >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the >> > imagery >> >> > all >> >> > > >> the >> >> > > >>> >> > more >> >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being >> >> > > >>> > strengthened >> >> > > >>> >> > by Venus >> >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- >> >> > planetary >> >> > > >>> >> > relationship >> >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the >> > book. In >> >> > the >> >> > > >>> > book >> >> > > >>> >> > most of >> >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to >> > other >> >> > > >>> > planetary >> >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be >> > that of >> >> > > >>> > takraav >> >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 >> >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean >> > of >> >> > the >> >> > > >> 9th >> >> > > >>> > go >> >> > > >>> >> > and >> >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and >> > precipitate >> >> > in >> >> > > >> the >> >> > > >>> >> > 4th. >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In >> >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " >> >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre >> > shukar se >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9 >> >> > ghar ka >> >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak >> > maine >> >> > > >> samjhne >> >> > > >>> > ki >> >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki >> > mashooka >> >> > (YEH >> >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat >> > barata >> >> > > >>> > hai.aur >> >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke >> >> > farmaan >> >> > > >>> > (1939) >> >> > > >>> >> > page >> >> > > >>> >> >> > no. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh > ke >> >> > ghar(8) >> >> > > >>> > me >> >> > > >>> >> > hoga to >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko >> > jab >> >> > > >> suraj >> >> > > >>> >> > (lord >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal >> >> > (hanumaan) to >> >> > > >>> > nek >> >> > > >>> >> > hi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh >> > doosri >> >> > > >>> > example >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai >> > abi tak >> >> > > >>> > adhoora >> >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA >> >> > CHAL KAR >> >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE >> > GI) >> >> > magar >> >> > > >>> > yahan >> >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat > adhoori >> >> > samajh >> >> > > >> me >> >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho >> > to >> >> > > >> please >> >> > > >>> >> > explain >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum >> > sabhi >> >> > ko ek >> >> > > >>> > baat >> >> > > >>> >> > yaad >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa > gyan >> >> > bakhsha >> >> > > >>> > hai >> >> > > >>> >> > to >> >> > > >>> >> >> > itne >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho >> > sakta >> >> > hai jo >> >> > > >>> > baat >> >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in > this >> >> > world >> >> > > >>> >> > expect the >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako >> > to >> >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE >> >> > SANATAN >> >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In >> >> > , " varun_trvd " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the >> > 9th >> >> > house >> >> > > >>> > will >> >> > > >>> >> > give >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun >> > placed >> >> > in the >> >> > > >>> > 2nd >> >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the >> > book >> >> > > >> where >> >> > > >>> >> > the book >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and >> > not >> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In >> >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap > nikal >> >> > rahe >> >> > > >>> > hain ki >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh >> >> > thaa ki >> >> > > >> jo >> >> > > >>> >> > khana no >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 >> > wale ko >> >> > > >>> > milenge >> >> > > >>> >> > (nek >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi >> >> > halat ke >> >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to > yeh >> >> > dekhna >> >> > > >>> > hoga >> >> > > >>> >> > ki >> >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka >> > phal >> >> > de >> >> > > >>> > raha >> >> > > >>> >> > hai ya >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat >> > ka >> >> > phal >> >> > > >> de >> >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh >> >> > sone pe >> >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se >> >> > mazboor ho >> >> > > >> ke >> >> > > >>> >> > bhee >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata >> > ya >> >> > unhe >> >> > > >>> > bhee >> >> > > >>> >> > neech >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee > halat(nishaniya) >> >> > dekh >> >> > > >> kar >> >> > > >>> > hee >> >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah >> > par hai >> >> > > >> unko >> >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap >> > meri >> >> > baat >> >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In >> >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would >> > love to >> >> > hear >> >> > > >>> >> > your views >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house >> > give >> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> > results of >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house >> > and >> >> > at the >> >> > > >>> >> > same time >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say >> >> > that the >> >> > > >>> >> > kundali >> >> > > >>> >> >> > will >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice >> >> > over? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in >> > the 9th >> >> > > >> will >> >> > > >>> > be >> >> > > >>> >> > like >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd >> > house >> >> > Sun >> >> > > >>> >> > malefic, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will >> > also >> >> > turn >> >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from >> > other >> >> > > >>> > things, >> >> > > >>> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed > in >> >> > the 9th >> >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd >> >> > house the >> >> > > >>> > Lal >> >> > > >>> >> > Kitab >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars > in >> >> > the 9th >> >> > > >>> >> > house is >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars > will >> >> > behave >> >> > > >>> > like >> >> > > >>> >> > the >> >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In >> >> > > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka >> >> > matlab >> >> > > >>> > rashi >> >> > > >>> >> > hai, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai >> >> > vaise >> >> > > >> hee >> >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > > >>> >> >> > jab >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga >> > (nek >> >> > > >> mayno >> >> > > >>> >> > mein) >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In >> >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the >> > 9th >> >> > > >> house, >> >> > > >>> > a >> >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > > >>> >> >> > of >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the >> > context >> >> > of >> >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of >> > Jupiter [ >> >> > mount >> >> > > >>> > of >> >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would >> > mean : >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result >> > in >> >> > as if >> >> > > >>> > the >> >> > > >>> >> > sun of >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of >> >> > Jupiter. >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In >> >> > > >> , " Umesh >> >> > > >>> >> > Sharma " >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members >> >> > > 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Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Respected Members, RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA so there should not b confusion about bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider only bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. With Regards Kunwar vishal , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > > Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh > main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko rashi > man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal > nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan > main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > > 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey > jaisa ki likha hey > > " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > > Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal > kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > > 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main > Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for > Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > So i asked this question > > Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > Thanks & Regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth > yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur sirf > aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas > hey. > > , kulbir bance > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > Varun ji, > > > > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of > > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi > > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh roop > > bhi kabhi na milta. > > > > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion jaise > > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements with > > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > > > > Repards. > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative > > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken as > > > finding fault with the book. > > > > > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate > > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard them. > > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we should > > > not discourage it. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > >> > > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH > > > likha > > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki > > > jaise > > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > >> > > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte > > > hain > > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke > > > pade > > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye > > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale > > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > >> > > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU > MEIN > > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > >> > > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine) > > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh > > > karta > > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar > > > aapko > > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya > > > unka > > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat > > > nahi to > > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante > > > hain,balki > > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte > > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf > > > gyan > > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain > > > apne > > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > >> > > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > > >> > > >> Mahajan > > >> , " varun_trvd " > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >> > > > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > > >> > > > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to > > > what > > >> > they think about this interpretation. > > >> > > > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > > > >> > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > , kulbir bance > > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Varun ji, > > >> > > > > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh > > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka > > > hoga. Had > > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered > > > meaningless. > > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. > > > 2. > > >> > The > > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards. > > >> > > > > >> > > Kulbir. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain > > > in > > >> > common > > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and > > > punjab. > > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery > > >> > used in > > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial > > > parlance > > >> > of > > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal > > > mein > > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> , kulbir bance > > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come > > > across > > >> > some > > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh > > > have > > >> > to > > >> > > >> be > > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. > > > And > > >> > it > > >> > > >> fits > > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Regards. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the > > > phrase is > > >> > to > > >> > > >> be > > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > Regards, > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > , kulbir bance > > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also > > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the > > > same > > >> > > >>> > breath. > > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. > > > Nau > > >> > hi > > >> > > >>> > grah > > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I > > >> > personally > > >> > > >>> > take > > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir > > > bance > > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the > > > brakh > > >> > mean > > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as > > > jangal > > >> > me > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. > > >> > Respect and > > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka > brakh > > >> mein > > >> > > >> sooraj > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ > 1942 > > >> urdu > > >> > ed ; > > >> > > >>> >> > page > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > ‘ka’; > > >> this means > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > > >> ‘bhagya ka > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek > ka > > >> sooraj > > >> > > >> brakh > > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a > > >> > metaphor and > > >> > > >>> > not > > >> > > >>> >> > as a > > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the > > >> > destiny > > >> > > >>> > will > > >> > > >>> >> > shine > > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the > > > brakh > > >> > [ 2nd > > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it > > > can > > >> > not > > >> > > >> be > > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > > >> > therefore my > > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, > and > > >> > the sun > > >> > > >>> > of > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the > > > imagery > > >> > all > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >>> >> > more > > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being > > >> > > >>> > strengthened > > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- > > >> > planetary > > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the > > > book. In > > >> > the > > >> > > >>> > book > > >> > > >>> >> > most of > > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to > > > other > > >> > > >>> > planetary > > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be > > > that of > > >> > > >>> > takraav > > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean > > > of > > >> > the > > >> > > >> 9th > > >> > > >>> > go > > >> > > >>> >> > and > > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and > > > precipitate > > >> > in > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > > >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " > > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre > > > shukar se > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9 > > >> > ghar ka > > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak > > > maine > > >> > > >> samjhne > > >> > > >>> > ki > > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki > > > mashooka > > >> > (YEH > > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat > > > barata > > >> > > >>> > hai.aur > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke > > >> > farmaan > > >> > > >>> > (1939) > > >> > > >>> >> > page > > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh > ke > > >> > ghar(8) > > >> > > >>> > me > > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko > > > jab > > >> > > >> suraj > > >> > > >>> >> > (lord > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal > > >> > (hanumaan) to > > >> > > >>> > nek > > >> > > >>> >> > hi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh > > > doosri > > >> > > >>> > example > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai > > > abi tak > > >> > > >>> > adhoora > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA > > >> > CHAL KAR > > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE > > > GI) > > >> > magar > > >> > > >>> > yahan > > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat > adhoori > > >> > samajh > > >> > > >> me > > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho > > > to > > >> > > >> please > > >> > > >>> >> > explain > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum > > > sabhi > > >> > ko ek > > >> > > >>> > baat > > >> > > >>> >> > yaad > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa > gyan > > >> > bakhsha > > >> > > >>> > hai > > >> > > >>> >> > to > > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho > > > sakta > > >> > hai jo > > >> > > >>> > baat > > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in > this > > >> > world > > >> > > >>> >> > expect the > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako > > > to > > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE > > >> > SANATAN > > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > > >> > , " varun_trvd " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the > > > 9th > > >> > house > > >> > > >>> > will > > >> > > >>> >> > give > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun > > > placed > > >> > in the > > >> > > >>> > 2nd > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the > > > book > > >> > > >> where > > >> > > >>> >> > the book > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and > > > not > > >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap > nikal > > >> > rahe > > >> > > >>> > hain ki > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh > > >> > thaa ki > > >> > > >> jo > > >> > > >>> >> > khana no > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 > > > wale ko > > >> > > >>> > milenge > > >> > > >>> >> > (nek > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi > > >> > halat ke > > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to > yeh > > >> > dekhna > > >> > > >>> > hoga > > >> > > >>> >> > ki > > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka > > > phal > > >> > de > > >> > > >>> > raha > > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat > > > ka > > >> > phal > > >> > > >> de > > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh > > >> > sone pe > > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se > > >> > mazboor ho > > >> > > >> ke > > >> > > >>> >> > bhee > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata > > > ya > > >> > unhe > > >> > > >>> > bhee > > >> > > >>> >> > neech > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee > halat(nishaniya) > > >> > dekh > > >> > > >> kar > > >> > > >>> > hee > > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah > > > par hai > > >> > > >> unko > > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap > > > meri > > >> > baat > > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would > > > love to > > >> > hear > > >> > > >>> >> > your views > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house > > > give > > >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> > results of > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house > > > and > > >> > at the > > >> > > >>> >> > same time > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say > > >> > that the > > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice > > >> > over? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in > > > the 9th > > >> > > >> will > > >> > > >>> > be > > >> > > >>> >> > like > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd > > > house > > >> > Sun > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will > > > also > > >> > turn > > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from > > > other > > >> > > >>> > things, > > >> > > >>> >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed > in > > >> > the 9th > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd > > >> > house the > > >> > > >>> > Lal > > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars > in > > >> > the 9th > > >> > > >>> >> > house is > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars > will > > >> > behave > > >> > > >>> > like > > >> > > >>> >> > the > > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > > >> > > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka > > >> > matlab > > >> > > >>> > rashi > > >> > > >>> >> > hai, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai > > >> > vaise > > >> > > >> hee > > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga > > > (nek > > >> > > >> mayno > > >> > > >>> >> > mein) > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the > > > 9th > > >> > > >> house, > > >> > > >>> > a > > >> > > >>> >> > house > > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the > > > context > > >> > of > > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of > > > Jupiter [ > > >> > mount > > >> > > >>> > of > > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would > > > mean : > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result > > > in > > >> > as if > > >> > > >>> > the > > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of > > >> > Jupiter. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In > > >> > > >> , " Umesh > > >> > > >>> >> > Sharma " > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word > > > which > > >> > is > > >> > > >>> > used in > > >> > > >>> >> >> > Edition > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942 > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 > > > Line > > >> > No. > > >> > > >> 17 " > > >> > > >>> >> > Mangal > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka > > > prakash > > >> > > >> hoga " > > >> > > >>> >> > Plz > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh. > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma > > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Vishal ji, kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. Regards kulbir. On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > Respected Members, > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > so there should not b confusion about > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider only > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > With Regards > > Kunwar vishal > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > <mudit982001 wrote: >> >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko rashi >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki >> >> >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey >> jaisa ki likha hey >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? >> >> So i asked this question >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. >> >> >> Thanks & Regards >> >> >> Umesh Sharma >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur > sirf >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas >> hey. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> > Varun ji, >> > >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh > roop >> > bhi kabhi na milta. >> > >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion > jaise >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements > with >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. >> > >> > Repards. >> > >> > Kulbir. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > > >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken > as >> > > finding fault with the book. >> > > >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard > them. >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we > should >> > > not discourage it. >> > > >> > > With respect and regards, >> > > >> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, >> > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH >> > > likha >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki >> > > jaise >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. >> > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte >> > > hain >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh > ke >> > > pade >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 > wale >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. >> > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU >> MEIN >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. >> > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai > maine) >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh >> > > karta >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar >> > > aapko >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane > ya >> > > unka >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat >> > > nahi to >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante >> > > hain,balki >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko > padte >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or > sirf >> > > gyan >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain >> > > apne >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). >> > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) >> > >> >> > >> Mahajan >> > >> , " varun_trvd " >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >> > >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. >> > >> > >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to >> > > what >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Varun ji, >> > >> > > >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka >> > > hoga. Had >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered >> > > meaningless. >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna > no. >> > > 2. >> > >> > The >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Regards. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Kulbir. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha > rain >> > > in >> > >> > common >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and >> > > punjab. >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the > imagery >> > >> > used in >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial >> > > parlance >> > >> > of >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, > jangal >> > > mein >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir bance >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come >> > > across >> > >> > some >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor > brakh >> > > have >> > >> > to >> > >> > > >> be >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean > brakha. >> > > And >> > >> > it >> > >> > > >> fits >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the >> > > phrase is >> > >> > to >> > >> > > >> be >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir > bance >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in > the >> > > same >> > >> > > >>> > breath. >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow > emerges. >> > > Nau >> > >> > hi >> > >> > > >>> > grah >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I >> > >> > personally >> > >> > > >>> > take >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir >> > > bance >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the >> > > brakh >> > >> > mean >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as >> > > jangal >> > >> > me >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. >> > >> > Respect and >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek > ka >> brakh >> > >> mein >> > >> > > >> sooraj >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� > [ >> 1942 >> > >> urdu >> > >> > ed ; >> > >> > > >>> >> > page >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word >> ‘ka’; >> > >> this means >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says >> > >> ‘bhagya ka >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal > nek >> ka >> > >> sooraj >> > >> > > >> brakh >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a >> > >> > metaphor and >> > >> > > >>> > not >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that > the >> > >> > destiny >> > >> > > >>> > will >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the >> > > brakh >> > >> > [ 2nd >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and > it >> > > can >> > >> > not >> > >> > > >> be >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd >> > >> > therefore my >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, >> and >> > >> > the sun >> > >> > > >>> > of >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the >> > > imagery >> > >> > all >> > >> > > >> the >> > >> > > >>> >> > more >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and > being >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- >> > >> > planetary >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the >> > > book. In >> > >> > the >> > >> > > >>> > book >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to >> > > other >> > >> > > >>> > planetary >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be >> > > that of >> > >> > > >>> > takraav >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the > ocean >> > > of >> > >> > the >> > >> > > >> 9th >> > >> > > >>> > go >> > >> > > >>> >> > and >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and >> > > precipitate >> > >> > in >> > >> > > >> the >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In >> > >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA > HO >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre >> > > shukar se >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki > 9 >> > >> > ghar ka >> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak >> > > maine >> > >> > > >> samjhne >> > >> > > >>> > ki >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki >> > > mashooka >> > >> > (YEH >> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat >> > > barata >> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke >> > >> > farmaan >> > >> > > >>> > (1939) >> > >> > > >>> >> > page >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh >> ke >> > >> > ghar(8) >> > >> > > >>> > me >> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal > ko >> > > jab >> > >> > > >> suraj >> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal >> > >> > (hanumaan) to >> > >> > > >>> > nek >> > >> > > >>> >> > hi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh >> > > doosri >> > >> > > >>> > example >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai >> > > abi tak >> > >> > > >>> > adhoora >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE > HAWA >> > >> > CHAL KAR >> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE >> > > GI) >> > >> > magar >> > >> > > >>> > yahan >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat >> adhoori >> > >> > samajh >> > >> > > >> me >> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom > ho >> > > to >> > >> > > >> please >> > >> > > >>> >> > explain >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum >> > > sabhi >> > >> > ko ek >> > >> > > >>> > baat >> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa >> gyan >> > >> > bakhsha >> > >> > > >>> > hai >> > >> > > >>> >> > to >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho >> > > sakta >> > >> > hai jo >> > >> > > >>> > baat >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in >> this >> > >> > world >> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho > sako >> > > to >> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI > APNE >> > >> > SANATAN >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the >> > > 9th >> > >> > house >> > >> > > >>> > will >> > >> > > >>> >> > give >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun >> > > placed >> > >> > in the >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from > the >> > > book >> > >> > > >> where >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and >> > > not >> > >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In >> > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap >> nikal >> > >> > rahe >> > >> > > >>> > hain ki >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki > yeh >> > >> > thaa ki >> > >> > > >> jo >> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 >> > > wale ko >> > >> > > >>> > milenge >> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke > mandi >> > >> > halat ke >> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to >> yeh >> > >> > dekhna >> > >> > > >>> > hoga >> > >> > > >>> >> > ki >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat > ka >> > > phal >> > >> > de >> > >> > > >>> > raha >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis > halat >> > > ka >> > >> > phal >> > >> > > >> de >> > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to > yeh >> > >> > sone pe >> > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se >> > >> > mazboor ho >> > >> > > >> ke >> > >> > > >>> >> > bhee >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar > pata >> > > ya >> > >> > unhe >> > >> > > >>> > bhee >> > >> > > >>> >> > neech >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee >> halat(nishaniya) >> > >> > dekh >> > >> > > >> kar >> > >> > > >>> > hee >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah >> > > par hai >> > >> > > >> unko >> > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki > aap >> > > meri >> > >> > baat >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would >> > > love to >> > >> > hear >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th > house >> > > give >> > >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house >> > > and >> > >> > at the >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to > say >> > >> > that the >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house > twice >> > >> > over? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in >> > > the 9th >> > >> > > >> will >> > >> > > >>> > be >> > >> > > >>> >> > like >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd >> > > house >> > >> > Sun >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will >> > > also >> > >> > turn >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from >> > > other >> > >> > > >>> > things, >> > >> > > >>> >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed >> in >> > >> > the 9th >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the > 2nd >> > >> > house the >> > >> > > >>> > Lal >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan > ho >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars >> in >> > >> > the 9th >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars >> will >> > >> > behave >> > >> > > >>> > like >> > >> > > >>> >> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In >> > >> > > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh > ka >> > >> > matlab >> > >> > > >>> > rashi >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota > hai >> > >> > vaise >> > >> > > >> hee >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar > hoga >> > > (nek >> > >> > > >> mayno >> > >> > > >>> >> > mein) >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In >> > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in > the >> > > 9th >> > >> > > >> house, >> > >> > > >>> > a >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the >> > > context >> > >> > of >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of >> > > Jupiter [ >> > >> > mount >> > >> > > >>> > of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would >> > > mean : >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would > result >> > > in >> > >> > as if >> > >> > > >>> > the >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of >> > >> > Jupiter. >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In >> > >> 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Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dear Kulbeer ji Very well said. Meri Badhayi swikaar karain May God bless you Regards Umesh Sharma , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Vishal ji, > > kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah > kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh > hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte > hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai > panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > > Regards > > kulbir. > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > > Respected Members, > > > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > > so there should not b confusion about > > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh > > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider only > > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > > > With Regards > > > > Kunwar vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > >> > >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh > >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko rashi > >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal > >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan > >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey > >> jaisa ki likha hey > >> > >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > >> > >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal > >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > >> > >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main > >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > >> > >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for > >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > >> > >> So i asked this question > >> > >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > >> > >> > >> Thanks & Regards > >> > >> > >> Umesh Sharma > >> > >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth > >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur > > sirf > >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas > >> hey. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , kulbir bance > >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Varun ji, > >> > > >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of > >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi > >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh > > roop > >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > >> > > >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion > > jaise > >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements > > with > >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > >> > > >> > Repards. > >> > > >> > Kulbir. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > > > >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative > >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken > > as > >> > > finding fault with the book. > >> > > > >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate > >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard > > them. > >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we > > should > >> > > not discourage it. > >> > > > >> > > With respect and regards, > >> > > > >> > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > >> > >> > >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH > >> > > likha > >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki > >> > > jaise > >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > >> > >> > >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte > >> > > hain > >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh > > ke > >> > > pade > >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye > >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 > > wale > >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > >> > >> > >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU > >> MEIN > >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > >> > >> > >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai > > maine) > >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh > >> > > karta > >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar > >> > > aapko > >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane > > ya > >> > > unka > >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat > >> > > nahi to > >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante > >> > > hain,balki > >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko > > padte > >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or > > sirf > >> > > gyan > >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain > >> > > apne > >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > >> > >> > >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > >> > >> > >> > >> Mahajan > >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to > >> > > what > >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > , kulbir bance > >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Varun ji, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh > >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka > >> > > hoga. Had > >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered > >> > > meaningless. > >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna > > no. > >> > > 2. > >> > >> > The > >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Regards. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Kulbir. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha > > rain > >> > > in > >> > >> > common > >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and > >> > > punjab. > >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the > > imagery > >> > >> > used in > >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial > >> > > parlance > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, > > jangal > >> > > mein > >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> , kulbir bance > >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come > >> > > across > >> > >> > some > >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor > > brakh > >> > > have > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean > > brakha. > >> > > And > >> > >> > it > >> > >> > > >> fits > >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the > >> > > phrase is > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir > > bance > >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also > >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in > > the > >> > > same > >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow > > emerges. > >> > > Nau > >> > >> > hi > >> > >> > > >>> > grah > >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I > >> > >> > personally > >> > >> > > >>> > take > >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir > >> > > bance > >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the > >> > > brakh > >> > >> > mean > >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as > >> > > jangal > >> > >> > me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. > >> > >> > Respect and > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek > > ka > >> brakh > >> > >> mein > >> > >> > > >> sooraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� > > [ > >> 1942 > >> > >> urdu > >> > >> > ed ; > >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > >> ‘ka’; > >> > >> this means > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal > > nek > >> ka > >> > >> sooraj > >> > >> > > >> brakh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a > >> > >> > metaphor and > >> > >> > > >>> > not > >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that > > the > >> > >> > destiny > >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the > >> > > brakh > >> > >> > [ 2nd > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and > > it > >> > > can > >> > >> > not > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > >> > >> > therefore my > >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, > >> and > >> > >> > the sun > >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the > >> > > imagery > >> > >> > all > >> > >> > > >> the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and > > being > >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- > >> > >> > planetary > >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the > >> > > book. In > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> > book > >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to > >> > > other > >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be > >> > > that of > >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the > > ocean > >> > > of > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >> 9th > >> > >> > > >>> > go > >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and > >> > > precipitate > >> > >> > in > >> > >> > > >> the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA > > HO > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre > >> > > shukar se > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki > > 9 > >> > >> > ghar ka > >> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak > >> > > maine > >> > >> > > >> samjhne > >> > >> > > >>> > ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki > >> > > mashooka > >> > >> > (YEH > >> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat > >> > > barata > >> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke > >> > >> > farmaan > >> > >> > > >>> > (1939) > >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh > >> ke > >> > >> > ghar(8) > >> > >> > > >>> > me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal > > ko > >> > > jab > >> > >> > > >> suraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal > >> > >> > (hanumaan) to > >> > >> > > >>> > nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh > >> > > doosri > >> > >> > > >>> > example > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai > >> > > abi tak > >> > >> > > >>> > adhoora > >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE > > HAWA > >> > >> > CHAL KAR > >> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE > >> > > GI) > >> > >> > magar > >> > >> > > >>> > yahan > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat > >> adhoori > >> > >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >> me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom > > ho > >> > > to > >> > >> > > >> please > >> > >> > > >>> >> > explain > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum > >> > > sabhi > >> > >> > ko ek > >> > >> > > >>> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa > >> gyan > >> > >> > bakhsha > >> > >> > > >>> > hai > >> > >> > > >>> >> > to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho > >> > > sakta > >> > >> > hai jo > >> > >> > > >>> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in > >> this > >> > >> > world > >> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho > > sako > >> > > to > >> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI > > APNE > >> > >> > SANATAN > >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the > >> > > 9th > >> > >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> > give > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun > >> > > placed > >> > >> > in the > >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from > > the > >> > > book > >> > >> > > >> where > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and > >> > > not > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap > >> nikal > >> > >> > rahe > >> > >> > > >>> > hain ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki > > yeh > >> > >> > thaa ki > >> > >> > > >> jo > >> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 > >> > > wale ko > >> > >> > > >>> > milenge > >> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke > > mandi > >> > >> > halat ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to > >> yeh > >> > >> > dekhna > >> > >> > > >>> > hoga > >> > >> > > >>> >> > ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat > > ka > >> > > phal > >> > >> > de > >> > >> > > >>> > raha > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis > > halat > >> > > ka > >> > >> > phal > >> > >> > > >> de > >> > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to > > yeh > >> > >> > sone pe > >> > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se > >> > >> > mazboor ho > >> > >> > > >> ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> > bhee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar > > pata > >> > > ya > >> > >> > unhe > >> > >> > > >>> > bhee > >> > >> > > >>> >> > neech > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee > >> halat(nishaniya) > >> > >> > dekh > >> > >> > > >> kar > >> > >> > > >>> > hee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah > >> > > par hai > >> > >> > > >> unko > >> > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki > > aap > >> > > meri > >> > >> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would > >> > > love to > >> > >> > hear > >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th > > house > >> > > give > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house > >> > > and > >> > >> > at the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to > > say > >> > >> > that the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house > > twice > >> > >> > over? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in > >> > > the 9th > >> > >> > > >> will > >> > >> > > >>> > be > >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd > >> > > house > >> > >> > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will > >> > > also > >> > >> > turn > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from > >> > > other > >> > >> > > >>> > things, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed > >> in > >> > >> > the 9th > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the > > 2nd > >> > >> > house the > >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan > > ho > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars > >> in > >> > >> > the 9th > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars > >> will > >> > >> > behave > >> > >> > > >>> > like > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > >> > >> > > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh > > ka > >> > >> > matlab > >> > >> > > >>> > rashi > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota > > hai > >> > >> > vaise > >> > >> > > >> hee > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar > > hoga > >> > > (nek > >> > >> > > >> mayno > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mein) > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in > > the > >> > > 9th > >> > >> > > >> house, > >> > >> > > >>> > a > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the > >> > > context > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of > >> > > Jupiter [ > >> > >> > mount > >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would > >> > > mean : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would > > result > >> > > in > >> > >> > as if > >> > >> > > >>> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of > >> > >> > Jupiter. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > 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Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Kulbeer ji lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane ke liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi kahi pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar ki gayi hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka kasht kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me neech ya unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. Dhanyawad Kunwar Vishal , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Vishal ji, > > kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah > kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh > hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte > hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai > panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > > Regards > > kulbir. > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer wrote: > > Respected Members, > > > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > > so there should not b confusion about > > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh > > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider only > > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > > > With Regards > > > > Kunwar vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > mudit982001@ wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > >> > >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka brikh > >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko rashi > >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka phal > >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak uljhan > >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey > >> jaisa ki likha hey > >> > >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > >> > >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal > >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > >> > >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main > >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > >> > >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for > >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > >> > >> So i asked this question > >> > >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > >> > >> > >> Thanks & Regards > >> > >> > >> Umesh Sharma > >> > >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka arth > >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur > > sirf > >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera pryaas > >> hey. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , kulbir bance > >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Varun ji, > >> > > >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of > >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha hi > >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh > > roop > >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > >> > > >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion > > jaise > >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements > > with > >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > >> > > >> > Repards. > >> > > >> > Kulbir. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > > > >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative > >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken > > as > >> > > finding fault with the book. > >> > > > >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate > >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard > > them. > >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we > > should > >> > > not discourage it. > >> > > > >> > > With respect and regards, > >> > > > >> > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > >> > >> > >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH > >> > > likha > >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki > >> > > jaise > >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > >> > >> > >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte > >> > > hain > >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh > > ke > >> > > pade > >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye > >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 > > wale > >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > >> > >> > >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU > >> MEIN > >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > >> > >> > >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai > > maine) > >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh > >> > > karta > >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar > >> > > aapko > >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane > > ya > >> > > unka > >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat > >> > > nahi to > >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante > >> > > hain,balki > >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko > > padte > >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or > > sirf > >> > > gyan > >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain > >> > > apne > >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > >> > >> > >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > >> > >> > >> > >> Mahajan > >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to > >> > > what > >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > , kulbir bance > >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Varun ji, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh > >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka > >> > > hoga. Had > >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered > >> > > meaningless. > >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna > > no. > >> > > 2. > >> > >> > The > >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Regards. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Kulbir. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha > > rain > >> > > in > >> > >> > common > >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and > >> > > punjab. > >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the > > imagery > >> > >> > used in > >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial > >> > > parlance > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, > > jangal > >> > > mein > >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> , kulbir bance > >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come > >> > > across > >> > >> > some > >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor > > brakh > >> > > have > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean > > brakha. > >> > > And > >> > >> > it > >> > >> > > >> fits > >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the > >> > > phrase is > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir > > bance > >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also > >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in > > the > >> > > same > >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow > > emerges. > >> > > Nau > >> > >> > hi > >> > >> > > >>> > grah > >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I > >> > >> > personally > >> > >> > > >>> > take > >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> > , kulbir > >> > > bance > >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the > >> > > brakh > >> > >> > mean > >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as > >> > > jangal > >> > >> > me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. > >> > >> > Respect and > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek > > ka > >> brakh > >> > >> mein > >> > >> > > >> sooraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� > > [ > >> 1942 > >> > >> urdu > >> > >> > ed ; > >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > >> ‘ka’; > >> > >> this means > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal > > nek > >> ka > >> > >> sooraj > >> > >> > > >> brakh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a > >> > >> > metaphor and > >> > >> > > >>> > not > >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that > > the > >> > >> > destiny > >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the > >> > > brakh > >> > >> > [ 2nd > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and > > it > >> > > can > >> > >> > not > >> > >> > > >> be > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > >> > >> > therefore my > >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, > >> and > >> > >> > the sun > >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the > >> > > imagery > >> > >> > all > >> > >> > > >> the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and > > being > >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- > >> > >> > planetary > >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the > >> > > book. In > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> > book > >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to > >> > > other > >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be > >> > > that of > >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the > > ocean > >> > > of > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >> 9th > >> > >> > > >>> > go > >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and > >> > > precipitate > >> > >> > in > >> > >> > > >> the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA > > HO > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre > >> > > shukar se > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki > > 9 > >> > >> > ghar ka > >> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak > >> > > maine > >> > >> > > >> samjhne > >> > >> > > >>> > ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki > >> > > mashooka > >> > >> > (YEH > >> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat > >> > > barata > >> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur > >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke > >> > >> > farmaan > >> > >> > > >>> > (1939) > >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh > >> ke > >> > >> > ghar(8) > >> > >> > > >>> > me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal > > ko > >> > > jab > >> > >> > > >> suraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal > >> > >> > (hanumaan) to > >> > >> > > >>> > nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh > >> > > doosri > >> > >> > > >>> > example > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai > >> > > abi tak > >> > >> > > >>> > adhoora > >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE > > HAWA > >> > >> > CHAL KAR > >> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE > >> > > GI) > >> > >> > magar > >> > >> > > >>> > yahan > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat > >> adhoori > >> > >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >> me > >> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom > > ho > >> > > to > >> > >> > > >> please > >> > >> > > >>> >> > explain > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum > >> > > sabhi > >> > >> > ko ek > >> > >> > > >>> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa > >> gyan > >> > >> > bakhsha > >> > >> > > >>> > hai > >> > >> > > >>> >> > to > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho > >> > > sakta > >> > >> > hai jo > >> > >> > > >>> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in > >> this > >> > >> > world > >> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho > > sako > >> > > to > >> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI > > APNE > >> > >> > SANATAN > >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the > >> > > 9th > >> > >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> > give > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun > >> > > placed > >> > >> > in the > >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from > > the > >> > > book > >> > >> > > >> where > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and > >> > > not > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap > >> nikal > >> > >> > rahe > >> > >> > > >>> > hain ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki > > yeh > >> > >> > thaa ki > >> > >> > > >> jo > >> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 > >> > > wale ko > >> > >> > > >>> > milenge > >> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke > > mandi > >> > >> > halat ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to > >> yeh > >> > >> > dekhna > >> > >> > > >>> > hoga > >> > >> > > >>> >> > ki > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat > > ka > >> > > phal > >> > >> > de > >> > >> > > >>> > raha > >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis > > halat > >> > > ka > >> > >> > phal > >> > >> > > >> de > >> > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to > > yeh > >> > >> > sone pe > >> > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se > >> > >> > mazboor ho > >> > >> > > >> ke > >> > >> > > >>> >> > bhee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar > > pata > >> > > ya > >> > >> > unhe > >> > >> > > >>> > bhee > >> > >> > > >>> >> > neech > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee > >> halat(nishaniya) > >> > >> > dekh > >> > >> > > >> kar > >> > >> > > >>> > hee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah > >> > > par hai > >> > >> > > >> unko > >> > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki > > aap > >> > > meri > >> > >> > baat > >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would > >> > > love to > >> > >> > hear > >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th > > house > >> > > give > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house > >> > > and > >> > >> > at the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to > > say > >> > >> > that the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house > > twice > >> > >> > over? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in > >> > > the 9th > >> > >> > > >> will > >> > >> > > >>> > be > >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd > >> > > house > >> > >> > Sun > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will > >> > > also > >> > >> > turn > >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from > >> > > other > >> > >> > > >>> > things, > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed > >> in > >> > >> > the 9th > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the > > 2nd > >> > >> > house the > >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan > > ho > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars > >> in > >> > >> > the 9th > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars > >> will > >> > >> > behave > >> > >> > > >>> > like > >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > 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>>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in > > the > >> > > 9th > >> > >> > > >> house, > >> > >> > > >>> > a > >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the > >> > > context > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of > >> > > Jupiter [ > >> > >> > mount > >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would > >> > > mean : > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would > > result > >> > > in > >> > >> > as if > >> > >> > > >>> > the > >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of > >> > >> > Jupiter. > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Vishal ji, pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga ki vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah se kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan. Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se phal padha jata hai. Kulbir. On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > Kulbeer ji > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane ke > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi kahi > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar ki gayi > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka kasht > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me neech ya > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. > > Dhanyawad > > Kunwar Vishal > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Vishal ji, >> >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. >> >> Regards >> >> kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer wrote: >> > Respected Members, >> > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA >> > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA >> > >> > so there should not b confusion about >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider > only >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. >> > >> > With Regards >> > >> > Kunwar vishal >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " Umesh Sharma " >> > mudit982001@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, >> >> >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka > brikh >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko > rashi >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka > phal >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak > uljhan >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey >> >> jaisa ki likha hey >> >> >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, >> >> >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? >> >> >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . >> >> >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? >> >> >> >> So i asked this question >> >> >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks & Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> Umesh Sharma >> >> >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka > arth >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur >> > sirf >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera > pryaas >> >> hey. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Varun ji, >> >> > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha > hi >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh >> > roop >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta. >> >> > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion >> > jaise >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements >> > with >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. >> >> > >> >> > Repards. >> >> > >> >> > Kulbir. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be > taken >> > as >> >> > > finding fault with the book. >> >> > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and > evaluate >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard >> > them. >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we >> > should >> >> > > not discourage it. >> >> > > >> >> > > With respect and regards, >> >> > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > , " heartzthief54 " >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par > BRAKH >> >> > > likha >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na > ki >> >> > > jaise >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna > chahte >> >> > > hain >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB > samajh >> > ke >> >> > > pade >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke > liye >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 >> > wale >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO > TARAZU >> >> MEIN >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai >> > maine) >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par > bandh >> >> > > karta >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke > vichar >> >> > > aapko >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi > jane >> > ya >> >> > > unka >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se > sehmat >> >> > > nahi to >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante >> >> > > hain,balki >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko >> > padte >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or >> > sirf >> >> > > gyan >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte > hain >> >> > > apne >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Mahajan >> >> > >> , " varun_trvd " >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as > to >> >> > > what >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Regards, >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > , kulbir bance >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji, >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka >> >> > > hoga. Had >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered >> >> > > meaningless. >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or > khanna >> > no. >> >> > > 2. >> >> > >> > The >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Regards. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha >> > rain >> >> > > in >> >> > >> > common >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and >> >> > > punjab. >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the >> > imagery >> >> > >> > used in >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial >> >> > > parlance >> >> > >> > of >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, >> > jangal >> >> > > mein >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir > bance >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have > come >> >> > > across >> >> > >> > some >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor >> > brakh >> >> > > have >> >> > >> > to >> >> > >> > > >> be >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean >> > brakha. >> >> > > And >> >> > >> > it >> >> > >> > > >> fits >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the >> >> > > phrase is >> >> > >> > to >> >> > >> > > >> be >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir >> > bance >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should > also >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in >> > the >> >> > > same >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow >> > emerges. >> >> > > Nau >> >> > >> > hi >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which > I >> >> > >> > personally >> >> > >> > > >>> > take >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > kulbir >> >> > > bance >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can > the >> >> > > brakh >> >> > >> > mean >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning > as >> >> > > jangal >> >> > >> > me >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views > also. >> >> > >> > Respect and >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal > nek >> > ka >> >> brakh >> >> > >> mein >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > hoga�� >> > [ >> >> 1942 >> >> > >> urdu >> >> > >> > ed ; >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word >> >> ‘ka’; >> >> > >> this means >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as > 'mangal >> > nek >> >> ka >> >> > >> sooraj >> >> > >> > > >> brakh >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as > a >> >> > >> > metaphor and >> >> > >> > > >>> > not >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that >> > the >> >> > >> > destiny >> >> > >> > > >>> > will >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in > the >> >> > > brakh >> >> > >> > [ 2nd >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, > and >> > it >> >> > > can >> >> > >> > not >> >> > >> > > >> be >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd >> >> > >> > therefore my >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of > Jupiter, >> >> and >> >> > >> > the sun >> >> > >> > > >>> > of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the >> >> > > imagery >> >> > >> > all >> >> > >> > > >> the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and >> > being >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is > inter- >> >> > >> > planetary >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the >> >> > > book. In >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> > book >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation > to >> >> > > other >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would > be >> >> > > that of >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the >> > ocean >> >> > > of >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > > >> 9th >> >> > >> > > >>> > go >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and >> >> > > precipitate >> >> > >> > in >> >> > >> > > >> the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In >> >> > >> > > >> , " vishalastrologer " >> >> 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shukar jo ki shani ki >> >> > > mashooka >> >> > >> > (YEH >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki > takat >> >> > > barata >> >> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab > ke >> >> > >> > farmaan >> >> > >> > > >>> > (1939) >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal > badh >> >> ke >> >> > >> > ghar(8) >> >> > >> > > >>> > me >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani > mangal >> > ko >> >> > > jab >> >> > >> > > >> suraj >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal >> >> > >> > (hanumaan) to >> >> > >> > > >>> > nek >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki > yeh >> >> > > doosri >> >> > >> > > >>> > example >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand > hai >> >> > > abi tak >> >> > >> > > >>> > adhoora >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE >> > HAWA >> >> > >> > CHAL KAR >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA > KARE >> >> > > GI) >> >> > >> > magar >> >> > >> > > >>> > yahan >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat >> >> adhoori >> >> > >> > samajh >> >> > >> > > >> me >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper > maloom >> > ho >> >> > > to >> >> > >> > > >> please >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > explain >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus > hum >> >> > > sabhi >> >> > >> > ko ek >> >> > >> > > >>> > baat >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda > sa >> >> gyan >> >> > >> > bakhsha >> >> > >> > > >>> > hai >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > to >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha > dikhaye.ho >> >> > > sakta >> >> > >> > hai jo >> >> > >> > > >>> > baat >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master > in >> >> this >> >> > >> > world >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho >> > sako >> >> > > to >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI >> > APNE >> >> > >> > SANATAN >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In >> >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in > the >> >> > > 9th >> >> > >> > house >> >> > >> > > >>> > will >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > give >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun >> >> > > placed >> >> > >> > in the >> >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from >> > the >> >> > > book >> >> > >> > > >> where >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue > and >> >> > > not >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In >> >> > >> > > >> , " heartzthief54 " >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap >> >> nikal >> >> > >> > rahe >> >> > >> > > >>> > hain ki >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar > dega.balki >> > yeh >> >> > >> > thaa ki >> >> > >> > > >> jo >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal > 9 >> >> > > wale ko >> >> > >> > > >>> > milenge >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke >> > mandi >> >> > >> > halat ke >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga > to >> >> yeh >> >> > >> > dekhna >> >> > >> > > >>> > hoga >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > ki >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi > halat >> > ka >> >> > > phal >> >> > >> > de >> >> > >> > > >>> > raha >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai ya >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis >> > halat >> >> > > ka >> >> > >> > phal >> >> > >> > > >> de >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > raha hai. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain > to >> > yeh >> >> > >> > sone pe >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton > se >> >> > >> > mazboor ho >> >> > >> > > >> ke >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > bhee >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar >> > pata >> >> > > ya >> >> > >> > unhe >> >> > >> > > >>> > bhee >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > neech >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee >> >> halat(nishaniya) >> >> > >> > dekh >> >> > >> > > >> kar >> >> > >> > > >>> > hee >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > bataya >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis > jagah >> >> > > par hai >> >> > >> > > >> unko >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > dekh kar >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki >> > aap >> >> > > meri >> >> > >> > baat >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In >> >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I > would >> >> > > love to >> >> > >> > hear >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th >> > house >> >> > > give >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th > house >> >> > > and >> >> > >> > at the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean > to >> > say >> >> > >> > that the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house >> > twice >> >> > >> > over? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars > in >> >> > > the 9th >> >> > >> > > >> will >> >> > >> > > >>> > be >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his > 2nd >> >> > > house >> >> > >> > Sun >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th > will >> >> > > also >> >> > >> > turn >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart > from >> >> > > other >> >> > >> > > >>> > things, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars > placed >> >> in >> >> > >> > the 9th >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the >> > 2nd >> >> > >> > house the >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru > pradhan >> > ho >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan > ko >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the > mars >> >> in >> >> > >> > the 9th >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the > Mars >> >> will >> >> > >> > behave >> >> > >> > > >>> > like >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > " heartzthief54 " >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par > brikh >> > ka >> >> > >> > matlab >> >> > >> > > >>> > rashi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar > hota >> > hai >> >> > >> > vaise >> >> > >> > > >> hee >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar >> > hoga >> >> > > (nek >> >> > >> > > >> mayno >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mein) >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In >> >> > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in >> > the >> >> > > 9th >> >> > >> > > >> house, >> >> > >> > > >>> > a >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the >> >> > > context >> >> > >> > of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of >> >> > > Jupiter [ >> >> > >> > mount >> >> > >> > > >>> > of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would >> >> > > mean : >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would >> > result >> >> > > in >> >> > >> > as if >> >> > >> > > >>> > the >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] > of >> >> > >> > Jupiter. >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said: In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been taken into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the first condition is : “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi jo Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal ho†In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet has been explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as: “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi mein budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein baith gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke ghar se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ] Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer living today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit. Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Vishal ji,> > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal> diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse> ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur> prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga ki> vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah se> kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan.> Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi> nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida> hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti> hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati> hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se> phal padha jata hai.> > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer wrote:> > Kulbeer ji> >> > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli> > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane ke> > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se> > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi kahi> > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar ki gayi> > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka kasht> > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me neech ya> > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar.> >> > Dhanyawad> >> > Kunwar Vishal> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >>> >> Vishal ji,> >>> >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If> >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah> >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh> >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte> >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai> >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge.> >>> >> Regards> >>> >> kulbir.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote:> >> > Respected Members,> >> >> >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA> >> >> >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA> >> >> >> > so there should not b confusion about> >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh> >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider> > only> >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi.> >> >> >> > With Regards> >> >> >> > Kunwar vishal> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Umesh Sharma"> >> > mudit982001@ wrote:> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji,> >> >>> >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka> > brikh> >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko> > rashi> >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka> > phal> >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak> > uljhan> >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey> >> >> jaisa ki likha hey> >> >>> >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> >> >>> >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal> >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> >> >>> >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main> >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> >> >>> >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for> >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> >> >>> >> >> So i asked this question> >> >>> >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Thanks & Regards> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Umesh Sharma> >> >>> >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka> > arth> >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur> >> > sirf> >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera> > pryaas> >> >> hey.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> , kulbir bance> >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > Varun ji,> >> >> >> >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha> > hi> >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh> >> > roop> >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta.> >> >> >> >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion> >> > jaise> >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements> >> > with> >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> >> >> >> >> >> > Repards.> >> >> >> >> >> > Kulbir.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> >> > >> >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be> > taken> >> > as> >> >> > > finding fault with the book.> >> >> > >> >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and> > evaluate> >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard> >> > them.> >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we> >> > should> >> >> > > not discourage it.> >> >> > >> >> >> > > With respect and regards,> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > , "heartzthief54"> >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par> > BRAKH> >> >> > > likha> >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na> > ki> >> >> > > jaise> >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna> > chahte> >> >> > > hain> >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se> >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB> > samajh> >> > ke> >> >> > > pade> >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke> > liye> >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952> >> > wale> >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO> > TARAZU> >> >> MEIN> >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai> >> > maine)> >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par> > bandh> >> >> > > karta> >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke> > vichar> >> >> > > aapko> >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi> > jane> >> > ya> >> >> > > unka> >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se> > sehmat> >> >> > > nahi to> >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> >> >> > > hain,balki> >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko> >> > padte> >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or> >> > sirf> >> >> > > gyan> >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte> > hain> >> >> > > apne> >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> Mahajan> >> >> > >> , "varun_trvd"> >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as> > to> >> >> > > what> >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation.> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Regards,> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > , kulbir bance> >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > Varun ji,> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh> >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka> >> >> > > hoga. Had> >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> >> >> > > meaningless.> >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or> > khanna> >> > no.> >> >> > > 2.> >> >> > >> > The> >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > Regards.> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > Kulbir.> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha> >> > rain> >> >> > > in> >> >> > >> > common> >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and> >> >> > > punjab.> >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the> >> > imagery> >> >> > >> > used in> >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial> >> >> > > parlance> >> >> > >> > of> >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow,> >> > jangal> >> >> > > mein> >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir> > bance> >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have> > come> >> >> > > across> >> >> > >> > some> >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor> >> > brakh> >> >> > > have> >> >> > >> > to> >> >> > >> > > >> be> >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean> >> > brakha.> >> >> > > And> >> >> > >> > it> >> >> > >> > > >> fits> >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards.> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>>> >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the> >> >> > > phrase is> >> >> > >> > to> >> >> > >> > > >> be> >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir> >> > bance> >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should> > also> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in> >> > the> >> >> > > same> >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow> >> > emerges.> >> >> > > Nau> >> >> > >> > hi> >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which> > I> >> >> > >> > personally> >> >> > >> > > >>> > take> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > ,> > kulbir> >> >> > > bance> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can> > the> >> >> > > brakh> >> >> > >> > mean> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning> > as> >> >> > > jangal> >> >> > >> > me> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views> > also.> >> >> > >> > Respect and> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal> > nek> >> > ka> >> >> brakh> >> >> > >> mein> >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash> > hoga��> >> > [> >> >> 1942> >> >> > >> urdu> >> >> > >> > ed ;> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> >> >> ‘ka’;> >> >> > >> this means> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as> > 'mangal> >> > nek> >> >> ka> >> >> > >> sooraj> >> >> > >> > > >> brakh> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as> > a> >> >> > >> > metaphor and> >> >> > >> > > >>> > not> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that> >> > the> >> >> > >> > destiny> >> >> > >> > > >>> > will> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in> > the> >> >> > > brakh> >> >> > >> > [ 2nd> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house].> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th,> > and> >> > it> >> >> > > can> >> >> > >> > not> >> >> > >> > > >> be> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd> >> >> > >> > therefore my> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of> > Jupiter,> >> >> and> >> >> > >> > the sun> >> >> > >> > > >>> > of> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the> >> >> > > imagery> >> >> > >> > all> >> >> > >> > > >> the> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and> >> > being> >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is> > inter-> >> >> > >> > planetary> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the> >> >> > > book. In> >> >> > >> > the> >> >> > >> > > >>> > book> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation> > to> >> >> > > other> >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would> > be> >> >> > > that of> >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the> >> > ocean> >> >> > > of> >> >> > >> > the> >> >> > >> > > >> 9th> >> >> > >> > > >>> > go> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and> >> >> > > precipitate> >> >> > >> > in> >> >> > >> > > >> the> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In> >> >> > >> 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Then do you mean> > to> >> > say> >> >> > >> > that the> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house> >> > twice> >> >> > >> > over?> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars> > in> >> >> > > the 9th> >> >> > >> > > >> will> >> >> > >> > > >>> > be> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his> > 2nd> >> >> > > house> >> >> > >> > Sun> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th> > will> >> >> > > also> >> >> > >> > turn> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart> > from> >> >> > > other> >> >> > >> > > >>> > things,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars> > placed> >> >> in> >> >> > >> > the 9th> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the> >> > 2nd> >> >> > >> > house the> >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru> > pradhan> >> > ho> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan> > ko> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the> > mars> >> >> in> >> >> > >> > the 9th> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the> > Mars> >> >> will> >> >> > >> > behave> >> >> > >> > > >>> > like> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun.> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Kulbeer ji, mai aap ki baat se sahmat hu ki lal kitab me jyotish,hastrekha,makan kundli aur photo se mila kar kundli parne ka jikar aata hai.magar practically jab lal kitab ke anusar kundli dekhte hai usme DARUSTI to ho sakti hai grah ko aage pichhe kar ke ya lakshan dekh kar.jaise chander lagan me ho ,har tarah se kayam ho phir b chandar ka nek phal na mile yani vidya par kharch kiya dhan jaroor wapis hoga magar aisi na ho, aankho ki roshni khrab ho,ma se sambandh khrab ho,man ki shanti na ho to chander ko 12th me moov kar ke dekh le jo ki bhav(rashi nahi) kundli me 12th me ho sakta hai iska jikar to hai.rahi baat photo ya shakal dekh kar kundli banane ki, mujhe to koi aisa nahi mila.hastrekha dekh kar kundli banana aisa b na mila.ha makan kundli se kundli bana lenge.magr usme b lagan kundli me jo grah khrab ho usko makan ke us hisse me sathapit nahi hone denge.makaan kundli ka yah pryog ta samajh aata hai.magar isme kahi b rashi ka jikar nahi aaya jaisi ki aap ne kaha hai.aap lal kitab ke jaankar hai,itna jaroor kahuga yadi aap hastekha dekhkar ya chehra dekhkar kundli ki jaanch karte hai ya koi aur nigah me hai to kripya humey b bataye.abi tak lal kitab ka jalwa kundli dekh kar nishaniya batana to dekha hai magar chehra dekh kar ya hastrekha dekh kar kundli banana ye jalwa dekhne ki b tamanna hai.iska matlab yeh na le ki lal kitab me jikar nahi aata ya chehra dekh kar kundli nahi banayi ja sakti bilkul banayi ja sakti hai.magar jo gyan pt. ji ko tha shayad kisi aur ko .rahi baat unki dasa bhukti antar dekhne ki that is parashri method not lal kitab.lal kitab me jo dasha batayi gayi hai yadi aap ko puri tarah se samajh aa gayi hai to humey example de kar hamara gyan b barane(increase) ki kripa kare Kunwar Vishal , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Vishal ji, > > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga ki > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah se > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan. > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se > phal padha jata hai. > > Kulbir. > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer wrote: > > Kulbeer ji > > > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane ke > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi kahi > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar ki gayi > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka kasht > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me neech ya > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > >> Vishal ji, > >> > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par chodh > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> kulbir. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > >> > Respected Members, > >> > > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > >> > > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > >> > > >> > so there should not b confusion about > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider mesh > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab consider > > only > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > >> > > >> > With Regards > >> > > >> > Kunwar vishal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , " Umesh Sharma " > >> > mudit982001@ wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > >> >> > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka > > brikh > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh ko > > rashi > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone ka > > phal > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak > > uljhan > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota hey > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey > >> >> > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > >> >> > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda phal > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > >> >> > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh main > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > >> >> > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is for > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > >> >> > >> >> So i asked this question > >> >> > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks & Regards > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Umesh Sharma > >> >> > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka > > arth > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf aur > >> > sirf > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera > > pryaas > >> >> hey. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> , kulbir bance > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Varun ji, > >> >> > > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh shansha > > hi > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka shudh > >> > roop > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise pahelion > >> > jaise > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur arguements > >> > with > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > >> >> > > >> >> > Repards. > >> >> > > >> >> > Kulbir. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be > > taken > >> > as > >> >> > > finding fault with the book. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and > > evaluate > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard > >> > them. > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we > >> > should > >> >> > > not discourage it. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > With respect and regards, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > , " heartzthief54 " > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par > > BRAKH > >> >> > > likha > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na > > ki > >> >> > > jaise > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna > > chahte > >> >> > > hain > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB > > samajh > >> > ke > >> >> > > pade > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke > > liye > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 > >> > wale > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO > > TARAZU > >> >> MEIN > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai > >> > maine) > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par > > bandh > >> >> > > karta > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke > > vichar > >> >> > > aapko > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi > > jane > >> > ya > >> >> > > unka > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se > > sehmat > >> >> > > nahi to > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante > >> >> > > hain,balki > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko > >> > padte > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or > >> > sirf > >> >> > > gyan > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte > > hain > >> >> > > apne > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Mahajan > >> >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as > > to > >> >> > > what > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > , kulbir bance > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji, > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka > >> >> > > hoga. Had > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered > >> >> > > meaningless. > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or > > khanna > >> > no. > >> >> > > 2. > >> >> > >> > The > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Regards. > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir. > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha > >> > rain > >> >> > > in > >> >> > >> > common > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and > >> >> > > punjab. > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the > >> > imagery > >> >> > >> > used in > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial > >> >> > > parlance > >> >> > >> > of > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, > >> > jangal > >> >> > > mein > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir > > bance > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have > > come > >> >> > > across > >> >> > >> > some > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor > >> > brakh > >> >> > > have > >> >> > >> > to > >> >> > >> > > >> be > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean > >> > brakha. > >> >> > > And > >> >> > >> > it > >> >> > >> > > >> fits > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the > >> >> > > phrase is > >> >> > >> > to > >> >> > >> > > >> be > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > , kulbir > >> > bance > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should > > also > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in > >> > the > >> >> > > same > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow > >> > emerges. > >> >> > > Nau > >> >> > >> > hi > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which > > I > >> >> > >> > personally > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > > kulbir > >> >> > > bance > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can > > the > >> >> > > brakh > >> >> > >> > mean > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning > > as > >> >> > > jangal > >> >> > >> > me > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views > > also. > >> >> > >> > Respect and > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal > > nek > >> > ka > >> >> brakh > >> >> > >> mein > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > > hoga�� > >> > [ > >> >> 1942 > >> >> > >> urdu > >> >> > >> > ed ; > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > >> >> ‘ka’; > >> >> > >> this means > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as > > 'mangal > >> > nek > >> >> ka > >> >> > >> sooraj > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as > > a > >> >> > >> > metaphor and > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that > >> > the > >> >> > >> > destiny > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in > > the > >> >> > > brakh > >> >> > >> > [ 2nd > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, > > and > >> > it > >> >> > > can > >> >> > >> > not > >> >> > >> > > >> be > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > >> >> > >> > therefore my > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of > > Jupiter, > >> >> and > >> >> > >> > the sun > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the > >> >> > > imagery > >> >> > >> > all > >> >> > >> > > >> the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and > >> > being > >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is > > inter- > >> >> > >> > planetary > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the > >> >> > > book. In > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> > book > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation > > to > >> >> > > other > >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would > > be > >> >> > > that of > >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the > >> > ocean > >> >> > > of > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >> 9th > >> >> > >> > > >>> > go > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and > >> >> > > precipitate > >> >> > >> > in > >> >> > >> > > >> the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > 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>> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI > >> > APNE > >> >> > >> > SANATAN > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > >> >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in > > the > >> >> > > 9th > >> >> > >> > house > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > give > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun > >> >> > > placed > >> >> > >> > in the > >> >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > >> >> > 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>>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap > >> >> nikal > >> >> > >> > rahe > >> >> > >> > > >>> > hain ki > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar > > dega.balki > >> > yeh > >> >> > >> > thaa ki > >> >> > >> > > >> jo > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > khana no > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal > > 9 > >> >> > > wale ko > >> >> > >> > > >>> > milenge > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > (nek > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke > >> > mandi > >> >> > >> > halat ke > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > phal nahi > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga > > to > >> >> yeh > >> >> > >> > dekhna > >> >> > >> > > >>> > hoga > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > ki > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > suraj > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . 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Asha hai ki > >> > aap > >> >> > > meri > >> >> > >> > baat > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > >> >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I > > would > >> >> > > love to > >> >> > >> > hear > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th > >> > house > >> >> > > give > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th > > house > >> >> > > and > >> >> > >> > at the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean > > to > >> > say > >> >> > >> > that the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house > >> > twice > >> >> > >> > over? > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars > > in > >> >> > > the 9th > >> >> > >> > > >> will > >> >> > >> > > >>> > be > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his > > 2nd > >> >> > > house > >> >> > >> > Sun > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th > > will > >> >> > > also > >> >> > >> > turn > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart > > from > >> >> > > other > >> >> > >> > > >>> > things, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars > > placed > >> >> in > >> >> > >> > the 9th > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the > >> > 2nd > >> >> > >> > house the > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru > > pradhan > >> > ho > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan > > ko > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the > > mars > >> >> in > >> >> > >> > the 9th > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the > > Mars > >> >> will > >> >> > >> > behave > >> >> > >> > > >>> > like > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > > " heartzthief54 " > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par > > brikh > >> > ka > >> >> > >> > matlab > >> >> > >> > > >>> > rashi > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar > > hota > >> > hai > >> >> > >> > vaise > >> >> > >> > > >> hee > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar > >> > hoga > >> >> > > (nek > >> >> > >> > > >> mayno > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mein) > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > >> >> > >> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd " > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in > >> > the > >> >> > > 9th > >> >> > >> > > >> house, > >> >> > >> > > >>> > a > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the > >> >> > > context > >> >> > >> > of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of > >> >> > > Jupiter [ > >> >> > >> > mount > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would > >> >> > > mean : > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would > >> > result > >> >> > > in > >> >> > >> > as if > >> >> > >> > > >>> > the > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] > > 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Respected Varun ji, pranam Sir,jaise ki aap pt. krishan ashant ji example de rahe hai.unho ne b pt. roopchand ji ke dwara likhit shlok ki vyakhya ki hai magar apne dhang se GHAR NAUWE HO GRAH KOI BAITHA,BUDH BAITHA JAR SAATHI JO 9th house me jo grah baithe yadi uski JAR me budh baith jaye to rin pitra us grah se hoga.jaise 9th ghar me shukar ho usi samay budh 7th me baith jaye to shukar se rin pitra hoga. RIN PITRA US GHAR SE HOGA ,ASAR GRAH SAB NISHPHAL HO yahan par ghar ka jikar hai na ki rashi ka yadi hum khud hi apne dhang se koi matlab nikaal le to jaroori nahi ki har koi sehmat ho.kyo ki lal kitab ke kisi b original version me rashi ka jikar alag se nahi aaya.yadi rashi shabad ka prayog hota hai to wo humey khud aapni common sense se hi yeh baat samajhni hogi ki shukar ki rashi yaani dusra aur satwa bhav.varun ji aap ne jo explanation di hai wo krishan ashant ji ki hai page no. 28 LAL KITAB PATRIK DOSH uski aage ki lines kuchh is tarah se hai(iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir hoga.yeh bracket wale shabad isi kitab me isi page no. 28 par likhe hue hai.pt. roopchand ji ne lal kitab 1952 RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA,NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GIN KAR,BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA YAHI SHABAD IN THE YEAR 2000 ME LUDHIANA KE JYOTISH SAMMELAN ME PT. ROOPCHAND KE KOI BUJURG RELATIVE HAI US SAMAY UNHO NE STAGE PAR YEH SHABAD AUR ISKI VYAKHYA KI RASHI KA ALAG SE KOI MAHTAV LAL KITAB ME NAHI.AAp PARTAAL KARNA CHAHE TO PHARWLA ME KAR SAKTE HAI.us samay pt. krishan ashant ji b wahan upasthit the.wo bujurg aaj b lal kitab ki practice karte hai yeh nishchit to nahi keh sakta.kyoki jab ek saal pehle unse mulakaat ki thi to unka health theek nahi tha.aur ukt shabad shuru me dene ka matlab saaf hai ki bhav ko hi rashi mana jaye.yadi kisi paas koi aur explanation jo ki lal kitab ke original version me ho to humey apne gyan se roshni dikhane ki kripalta kare.lal kitab se prem hai aur is group se b.kyoki bahut kuchh is group se aur varun ji se sikha hai.isme doobna to parega hi warna kinare par baith kar kuchh nahi samajh sakte KHUSRO DHARA PREM KI,WA KI ULTI DHAAR JO TAR GYA SO DOOB GYA,JO DOOB GYA SO TAR GYA Regards Kunwar Vishal me , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Vishal ji,> > > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said:> > > > In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been taken> into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the first> condition is :> > > > “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi jo> > Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal hoâ€> > > > In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet has been> explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as:> > > > “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi mein> budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein baith> gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke ghar> se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ]> > > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer living> today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit.> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance> kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Vishal ji,> >> > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal> > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse> > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur> > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga ki> > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah se> > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan.> > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi> > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida> > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti> > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati> > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se> > phal padha jata hai.> >> > Kulbir.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote:> > > Kulbeer ji> > >> > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli> > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane ke> > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se> > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi kahi> > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar ki> gayi> > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka> kasht> > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me> neech ya> > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar.> > >> > > Dhanyawad> > >> > > Kunwar Vishal> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , kulbir bance> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >>> > >> Vishal ji,> > >>> > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If> > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale grah> > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par> chodh> > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat karte> > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai> > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge.> > >>> > >> Regards> > >>> > >> kulbir.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote:> > >> > Respected Members,> > >> >> > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA> > >> >> > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA> > >> >> > >> > so there should not b confusion about> > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider> mesh> > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab> consider> > > only> > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi.> > >> >> > >> > With Regards> > >> >> > >> > Kunwar vishal> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > , "Umesh Sharma"> > >> > mudit982001@ wrote:> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji,> > >> >>> > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka> > > brikh> > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh ko> > > rashi> > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone> ka> > > phal> > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak> > > uljhan> > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota> hey> > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey> > >> >>> > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> > >> >>> > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda> phal> > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> > >> >>> > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh> main> > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> > >> >>> > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another is> for> > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> > >> >>> > >> >> So i asked this question> > >> >>> > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Thanks & Regards> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Umesh Sharma> > >> >>> > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney ka> > > arth> > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf> aur> > >> > sirf> > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera> > > pryaas> > >> >> hey.> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> , kulbir bance> > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Varun ji,> > >> >> >> > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh> shansha> > > hi> > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka> shudh> > >> > roop> > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta.> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise> pahelion> > >> > jaise> > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur> arguements> > >> > with> > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Repards.> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Kulbir.> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be> > > taken> > >> > as> > >> >> > > finding fault with the book.> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and> > > evaluate> > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on> discard> > >> > them.> > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and> we> > >> > should> > >> >> > > not discourage it.> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > , "heartzthief54"> > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par> > > BRAKH> > >> >> > > likha> > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai> na> > > ki> > >> >> > > jaise> > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna> > > chahte> > >> >> > > hain> > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf> se> > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB> > > samajh> > >> > ke> > >> >> > > pade> > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke> > > liye> > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee> 1952> > >> > wale> > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO> > > TARAZU> > >> >> MEIN> > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha> hai> > >> > maine)> > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par> > > bandh> > >> >> > > karta> > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke> > > vichar> > >> >> > > aapko> > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi> > > jane> > >> > ya> > >> >> > > unka> > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se> > > sehmat> > >> >> > > nahi to> > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante> > >> >> > > hain,balki> > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB> ko> > >> > padte> > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf> or> > >> > sirf> > >> >> > > gyan> > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte> > > hain> > >> >> > > apne> > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to> ?)> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> Mahajan> > >> >> > >> , "varun_trvd"> > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also> as> > > to> > >> >> > > what> > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Regards,> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > , kulbir bance> > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji,> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word> brakh> > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal> ka> > >> >> > > hoga. Had> > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > >> >> > > meaningless.> > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or> > > khanna> > >> > no.> > >> >> > > 2.> > >> >> > >> > The> > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > Regards.> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir.> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote> varsha> > >> > rain> > >> >> > > in> > >> >> > >> > common> > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh> and> > >> >> > > punjab.> > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the> > >> > imagery> > >> >> > >> > used in> > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the> colloquial> > >> >> > > parlance> > >> >> > >> > of> > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow,> > >> > jangal> > >> >> > > mein> > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir> > > bance> > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have> > > come> > >> >> > > across> > >> >> > >> > some> > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle> nor> > >> > brakh> > >> >> > > have> > >> >> > >> > to> > >> >> > >> > > >> be> > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean> > >> > brakha.> > >> >> > > And> > >> >> > >> > it> > >> >> > >> > > >> fits> > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards.> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of> the> > >> >> > > phrase is> > >> >> > >> > to> > >> >> > >> > > >> be> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > ,> kulbir> > >> > bance> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should> > > also> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold> in> > >> > the> > >> >> > > same> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow> > >> > emerges.> > >> >> > > Nau> > >> >> > >> > hi> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,> [which> > > I> > >> >> > >> > personally> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > ,> > > kulbir> > >> >> > > bance> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can> > > the> > >> >> > > brakh> > >> >> > >> > mean> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same> meaning> > > as> > >> >> > > jangal> > >> >> > >> > me> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views> > > also.> > >> >> > >> > Respect and> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal> > > nek> > >> > ka> > >> >> brakh> > >> >> > >> mein> > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash> > > hoga��> > >> > [> > >> >> 1942> > >> >> > >> urdu> > >> >> > >> > ed ;> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> > >> >> ‘ka’;> > >> >> > >> this means> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says> > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as> > > 'mangal> > >> > nek> > >> >> ka> > >> >> > >> sooraj> > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used> as> > > a> > >> >> > >> > metaphor and> > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a> > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, Your quote from Krishna Ashant ji: " iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir hoga. " is for the third condition of Pitri Rin which reads as: panch, barah,nau, do koi mande rin pitri ban jata ho. This does not negate the interpretation of the first condition given by Ashant ji where he says that it refers to the rasi and not the house. Where as the lines I had quoted earlier for the first condition had been interpeted by Ashant ji to refer to the rasi and not the khana or the bhava. According to Pt. Krishna Ashant ji, in the context of the pitri rin both the rasi and the houses have been taken into consideration. As for individual choice, you are absolutely free to ignore rasi altogether while analysing a kundali through Lal Kitab paddhati. Similarly our individual choice is to take into consideration the rasi, while analysing a kundali according to the Lal Kitab, keeping in with the tradition of Vedic Indian astrology. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " vishalastrologer " <vishalastrologer wrote: > > > Respected Varun ji, > > pranam > > Sir,jaise ki aap > pt. krishan ashant ji example de rahe hai.unho ne b pt. roopchand ji ke > dwara likhit shlok ki vyakhya ki hai magar apne dhang se > > GHAR NAUWE HO GRAH KOI BAITHA,BUDH BAITHA JAR SAATHI JO > > 9th house me jo grah baithe yadi uski JAR me budh baith jaye to rin > pitra us grah se hoga.jaise 9th ghar me shukar ho usi samay budh 7th me > baith jaye to shukar se rin pitra hoga. > > RIN PITRA US GHAR SE HOGA ,ASAR GRAH SAB NISHPHAL HO > > yahan par ghar ka jikar hai na ki rashi ka yadi hum khud hi > apne dhang se koi matlab nikaal le to jaroori nahi ki har koi sehmat > ho.kyo ki lal kitab ke kisi b original version me rashi ka jikar alag se > nahi aaya.yadi rashi shabad ka prayog hota hai to wo humey khud aapni > common sense se hi yeh baat samajhni hogi ki shukar ki rashi yaani dusra > aur satwa bhav.varun ji aap ne jo explanation di hai wo krishan ashant > ji ki hai page no. 28 LAL KITAB PATRIK DOSH uski aage ki lines kuchh is > tarah se hai(iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi > vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi > shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir > hoga.yeh bracket wale shabad isi kitab me isi page no. 28 par likhe hue > hai.pt. roopchand ji ne lal kitab 1952 > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA,NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GIN KAR,BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > YAHI SHABAD IN THE YEAR 2000 ME LUDHIANA KE JYOTISH > SAMMELAN ME PT. ROOPCHAND KE KOI BUJURG RELATIVE HAI US SAMAY UNHO NE > STAGE PAR YEH SHABAD AUR ISKI VYAKHYA KI RASHI KA ALAG SE KOI MAHTAV LAL > KITAB ME NAHI.AAp PARTAAL KARNA CHAHE TO PHARWLA ME KAR SAKTE HAI.us > samay pt. krishan ashant ji b wahan upasthit the.wo bujurg aaj b lal > kitab ki practice karte hai yeh nishchit to nahi keh sakta.kyoki jab ek > saal pehle unse mulakaat ki thi to unka health theek nahi tha.aur ukt > shabad shuru me dene ka matlab saaf hai ki bhav ko hi rashi mana > jaye.yadi kisi paas koi aur explanation jo ki lal kitab ke original > version me ho to humey apne gyan se roshni dikhane ki kripalta kare.lal > kitab se prem hai aur is group se b.kyoki bahut kuchh is group se aur > varun ji se sikha hai.isme doobna to parega hi warna kinare par baith > kar kuchh nahi samajh sakte > > KHUSRO DHARA PREM KI,WA KI ULTI DHAAR > > JO TAR GYA SO DOOB GYA,JO DOOB GYA SO TAR GYA > > Regards > > Kunwar Vishal > > > me , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said: > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been taken > > into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the first > > condition is : > > > > > > > > “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi jo > > > > Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal ho†> > > > > > > > In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet has > been > > explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as: > > > > > > > > “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi mein > > budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein baith > > gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke ghar > > se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ] > > > > > > > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer living > > today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > Vishal ji, > > > > > > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal > > > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse > > > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur > > > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga > ki > > > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah > se > > > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan. > > > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi > > > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida > > > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti > > > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati > > > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se > > > phal padha jata hai. > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > Kulbeer ji > > > > > > > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli > > > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane > ke > > > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se > > > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi > kahi > > > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar > ki > > gayi > > > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka > > kasht > > > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me > > neech ya > > > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. > > > > > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Vishal ji, > > > >> > > > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > > > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale > grah > > > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par > > chodh > > > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat > karte > > > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai > > > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> > > > >> kulbir. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > >> > Respected Members, > > > >> > > > > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > >> > > > > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > >> > > > > >> > so there should not b confusion about > > > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider > > mesh > > > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab > > consider > > > > only > > > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > > >> > > > > >> > With Regards > > > >> > > > > >> > Kunwar vishal > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > >> > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka > > > > brikh > > > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar " Brikh > ko > > > > rashi > > > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone > > ka > > > > phal > > > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak > > > > uljhan > > > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota > > hey > > > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey > > > >> >> > > > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda > > phal > > > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek > > > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh > > main > > > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another > is > > for > > > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> So i asked this question > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Thanks & Regards > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Umesh Sharma > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney > ka > > > > arth > > > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf > > aur > > > >> > sirf > > > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera > > > > pryaas > > > >> >> hey. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , kulbir bance > > > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Varun ji, > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of > > > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh > > shansha > > > > hi > > > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka > > shudh > > > >> > roop > > > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > > > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise > > pahelion > > > >> > jaise > > > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur > > arguements > > > >> > with > > > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Repards. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Kulbir. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative > > > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not > be > > > > taken > > > >> > as > > > >> >> > > finding fault with the book. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and > > > > evaluate > > > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on > > discard > > > >> > them. > > > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and > > we > > > >> > should > > > >> >> > > not discourage it. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > With respect and regards, > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > , > " heartzthief54 " > > > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah > par > > > > BRAKH > > > >> >> > > likha > > > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai > > na > > > > ki > > > >> >> > > jaise > > > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala > karna > > > > chahte > > > >> >> > > hain > > > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni > taraf > > se > > > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB > > > > samajh > > > >> > ke > > > >> >> > > pade > > > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne > ke > > > > liye > > > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee > > 1952 > > > >> > wale > > > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO > > > > TARAZU > > > >> >> MEIN > > > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha > > hai > > > >> > maine) > > > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par > > > > bandh > > > >> >> > > karta > > > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke > > > > vichar > > > >> >> > > aapko > > > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh > wohi > > > > jane > > > >> > ya > > > >> >> > > unka > > > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se > > > > sehmat > > > >> >> > > nahi to > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada > jante > > > >> >> > > hain,balki > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL > KITAB > > ko > > > >> > padte > > > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon > sirf > > or > > > >> > sirf > > > >> >> > > gyan > > > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko > kehte > > > > hain > > > >> >> > > apne > > > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho > to > > ?) > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Mahajan > > > >> >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > > > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji > also > > as > > > > to > > > >> >> > > what > > > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > , kulbir > bance > > > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word > > brakh > > > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch > phal > > ka > > > >> >> > > hoga. Had > > > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered > > > >> >> > > meaningless. > > > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or > > > > khanna > > > >> > no. > > > >> >> > > 2. > > > >> >> > >> > The > > > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Regards. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote > > varsha > > > >> > rain > > > >> >> > > in > > > >> >> > >> > common > > > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal > pradesh > > and > > > >> >> > > punjab. > > > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and > the > > > >> > imagery > > > >> >> > >> > used in > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the > > colloquial > > > >> >> > > parlance > > > >> >> > >> > of > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, > rainbow, > > > >> > jangal > > > >> >> > > mein > > > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir > > > > bance > > > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we > have > > > > come > > > >> >> > > across > > > >> >> > >> > some > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle > > nor > > > >> > brakh > > > >> >> > > have > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much > mean > > > >> > brakha. > > > >> >> > > And > > > >> >> > >> > it > > > >> >> > >> > > >> fits > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of > > the > > > >> >> > > phrase is > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > , > > kulbir > > > >> > bance > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle > should > > > > also > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and > cold > > in > > > >> > the > > > >> >> > > same > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a > rainbow > > > >> > emerges. > > > >> >> > > Nau > > > >> >> > >> > hi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, > > [which > > > > I > > > >> >> > >> > personally > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > > > > kulbir > > > >> >> > > bance > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery > can > > > > the > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > >> >> > >> > mean > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same > > meaning > > > > as > > > >> >> > > jangal > > > >> >> > >> > me > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur > views > > > > also. > > > >> >> > >> > Respect and > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya > mangal > > > > nek > > > >> > ka > > > >> >> brakh > > > >> >> > >> mein > > > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > > > > hoga�� > > > >> > [ > > > >> >> 1942 > > > >> >> > >> urdu > > > >> >> > >> > ed ; > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > > > >> >> ‘ka’; > > > >> >> > >> this means > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one > says > > > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as > > > > 'mangal > > > >> > nek > > > >> >> ka > > > >> >> > >> sooraj > > > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is > used > > as > > > > a > > > >> >> > >> > metaphor and > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean > > that > > > >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > destiny > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen > > in > > > > the > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > >> >> > >> > [ 2nd > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house > > ]. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the > > 9th, > > > > and > > > >> > it > > > >> >> > > can > > > >> >> > >> > not > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in > the > > 2nd > > > >> >> > >> > therefore my > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of > > > > Jupiter, > > > >> >> and > > > >> >> > >> > the sun > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes > > the > > > >> >> > > imagery > > > >> >> > >> > all > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th > > and > > > >> > being > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This > is > > > > inter- > > > >> >> > >> > planetary > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out > in > > the > > > >> >> > > book. In > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > book > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in > > relation > > > > to > > > >> >> > > other > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th > > would > > > > be > > > >> >> > > that of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from > > the > > > >> > ocean > > > >> >> > > of > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >> 9th > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > go > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd > and > > > >> >> > > precipitate > > > >> >> > >> > in > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > > " vishalastrologer " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR > 2 > > > > DETA > > > >> > HO > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 > > HOTA > > > > HO > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka > > dusre > > > >> >> > > shukar se > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me > jikar > > hai > > > > ki > > > >> > 9 > > > >> >> > >> > ghar ka > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to > jahan > > > > tak > > > >> >> > > maine > > > >> >> > >> > > >> samjhne > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > ki > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki > shani > > ki > > > >> >> > > mashooka > > > >> >> > >> > (YEH > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani > ki > > > > takat > > > >> >> > > barata > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > hai.aur > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 9 > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal > > kitab > > > > ke > > > >> >> > >> > farmaan > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > (1939) > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > no. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi > > suraj,mangal > > > > badh > > > >> >> ke > > > >> >> > >> > ghar(8) > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > me > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hoga to > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani > > > > mangal > > > >> > ko > > > >> >> > > jab > > > >> >> > >> > > >> suraj > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > (lord > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to > > mangal > > > >> >> > >> > (hanumaan) to > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > nek > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se > sambhand > > ki > > > > yeh > > > >> >> > > doosri > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > example > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya > > sambhand > > > > hai > > > >> >> > > abi tak > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > adhoora > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE > SAMUNDAR > > SE > > > >> > HAWA > > > >> >> > >> > CHAL KAR > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME > > WARSHA > > > > KARE > > > >> >> > > GI) > > > >> >> > >> > magar > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > yahan > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > chothe > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh > > baat > > > >> >> adhoori > > > >> >> > >> > samajh > > > >> >> > >> > > >> me > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > aa rahi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper > > > > maloom > > > >> > ho > > > >> >> > > to > > > >> >> > >> > > >> please > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > explain > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma > hai.bus > > > > hum > > > >> >> > > sabhi > > > >> >> > >> > ko ek > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > baat > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > yaad > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne > > thoda > > > > sa > > > >> >> gyan > > > >> >> > >> > bakhsha > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > hai > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > to > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > itne > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha > > > > dikhaye.ho > > > >> >> > > sakta > > > >> >> > >> > hai jo > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > baat > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > doosro > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is > > master > > > > in > > > >> >> this > > > >> >> > >> > world > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > expect the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test > > anyone,ho > > > >> > sako > > > >> >> > > to > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE > > HAI > > > >> > APNE > > > >> >> > >> > SANATAN > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In > > > >> >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars > placed > > in > > > > the > > > >> >> > > 9th > > > >> >> > >> > house > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > give > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of > the > > sun > > > >> >> > > placed > > > >> >> > >> > in the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example > > from > > > >> > the > > > >> >> > > book > > > >> >> > >> > > >> where > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will > > accrue > > > > and > > > >> >> > > not > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic ones? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > " heartzthief54 " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > 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Asha > hai > > ki > > > >> > aap > > > >> >> > > meri > > > >> >> > >> > baat > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > samajh > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > gaye > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I > > > > would > > > >> >> > > love to > > > >> >> > >> > hear > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > your views > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > on > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the > > 9th > > > >> > house > > > >> >> > > give > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > results of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the > 9th > > > > house > > > >> >> > > and > > > >> >> > >> > at the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > same time > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you > > mean > > > > to > > > >> > say > > > >> >> > >> > that the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd > > house > > > >> > twice > > > >> >> > >> > over? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the > > mars > > > > in > > > >> >> > > the 9th > > > >> >> > >> > > >> will > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > be > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes > > his > > > > 2nd > > > >> >> > > house > > > >> >> > >> > Sun > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the > 9th > > > > will > > > >> >> > > also > > > >> >> > >> > turn > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, > > apart > > > > from > > > >> >> > > other > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > things, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a > Mars > > > > placed > > > >> >> in > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun > in > > the > > > >> > 2nd > > > >> >> > >> > house the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru > > > > pradhan > > > >> > ho > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya > > daan > > > > ko > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if > > the > > > > mars > > > >> >> in > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that > the > > > > Mars > > > >> >> will > > > >> >> > >> > behave > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > like > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sun. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > , > > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par > > > > brikh > > > >> > ka > > > >> >> > >> > matlab > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > rashi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > hai, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka > asar > > > > hota > > > >> > hai > > > >> >> > >> > vaise > > > >> >> > >> > > >> hee > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jab > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee > > asar > > > >> > hoga > > > >> >> > > (nek > > > >> >> > >> > > >> mayno > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mein) > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > , > " varun_trvd " > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars > placed > > in > > > >> > the > > > >> >> > > 9th > > > >> >> > >> > > >> house, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > a > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used > in > > the > > > >> >> > > context > > > >> >> > >> > of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Palmistry. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza > > of > > > >> >> > > Jupiter [ > > > >> >> > >> > mount > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line > > would > > > >> >> > > mean : > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house > > would > > > >> > result > > > >> >> > > in > > > >> >> > >> > as if > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > the > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > sun of > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ > > mount] > > > > of > > > >> >> > >> > Jupiter. > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, Just a couple of examples where the Lal Kitab takes rasi into consideration: Have a look at the following pages. [ A ] 1942 ed; page 47 chapter grah ki apani rasi [ B ] 1942 ed page 49 [ two tables ] Have a look at these tables and you will see the rasi being talked about, so much so the last line of the table entitled ‘ buniyadi talluk grah va rasi’ says “ grah va rasi ka asar mushtarka lete hain†Regards, Varun Trivedi , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Vishal ji,> > Your quote from Krishna Ashant ji:> > "iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir hoga."> > is for the third condition of Pitri Rin which reads as:> > panch, barah,nau, do koi mande> rin pitri ban jata ho.> > This does not negate the interpretation of the first condition given by Ashant ji where he says that it refers to the rasi and not the house.> > Where as the lines I had quoted earlier for the first condition had been interpeted by Ashant ji to refer to the rasi and not the khana or the bhava.> > According to Pt. Krishna Ashant ji, in the context of the pitri rin both the rasi and the houses have been taken into consideration.> > As for individual choice, you are absolutely free to ignore rasi altogether while analysing a kundali through Lal Kitab paddhati.> > Similarly our individual choice is to take into consideration the rasi, while analysing a kundali according to the Lal Kitab, keeping in with the tradition of Vedic Indian astrology.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > , "vishalastrologer" vishalastrologer@ wrote:> >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > > pranam> > > > Sir,jaise ki aap> > pt. krishan ashant ji example de rahe hai.unho ne b pt. roopchand ji ke> > dwara likhit shlok ki vyakhya ki hai magar apne dhang se> > > > GHAR NAUWE HO GRAH KOI BAITHA,BUDH BAITHA JAR SAATHI JO> > > > 9th house me jo grah baithe yadi uski JAR me budh baith jaye to rin> > pitra us grah se hoga.jaise 9th ghar me shukar ho usi samay budh 7th me> > baith jaye to shukar se rin pitra hoga.> > > > RIN PITRA US GHAR SE HOGA ,ASAR GRAH SAB NISHPHAL HO> > > > yahan par ghar ka jikar hai na ki rashi ka yadi hum khud hi> > apne dhang se koi matlab nikaal le to jaroori nahi ki har koi sehmat> > ho.kyo ki lal kitab ke kisi b original version me rashi ka jikar alag se> > nahi aaya.yadi rashi shabad ka prayog hota hai to wo humey khud aapni> > common sense se hi yeh baat samajhni hogi ki shukar ki rashi yaani dusra> > aur satwa bhav.varun ji aap ne jo explanation di hai wo krishan ashant> > ji ki hai page no. 28 LAL KITAB PATRIK DOSH uski aage ki lines kuchh is> > tarah se hai(iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi> > vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi> > shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir> > hoga.yeh bracket wale shabad isi kitab me isi page no. 28 par likhe hue> > hai.pt. roopchand ji ne lal kitab 1952> > > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA,NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA> > > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GIN KAR,BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA> > > > YAHI SHABAD IN THE YEAR 2000 ME LUDHIANA KE JYOTISH> > SAMMELAN ME PT. ROOPCHAND KE KOI BUJURG RELATIVE HAI US SAMAY UNHO NE> > STAGE PAR YEH SHABAD AUR ISKI VYAKHYA KI RASHI KA ALAG SE KOI MAHTAV LAL> > KITAB ME NAHI.AAp PARTAAL KARNA CHAHE TO PHARWLA ME KAR SAKTE HAI.us> > samay pt. krishan ashant ji b wahan upasthit the.wo bujurg aaj b lal> > kitab ki practice karte hai yeh nishchit to nahi keh sakta.kyoki jab ek> > saal pehle unse mulakaat ki thi to unka health theek nahi tha.aur ukt> > shabad shuru me dene ka matlab saaf hai ki bhav ko hi rashi mana> > jaye.yadi kisi paas koi aur explanation jo ki lal kitab ke original> > version me ho to humey apne gyan se roshni dikhane ki kripalta kare.lal> > kitab se prem hai aur is group se b.kyoki bahut kuchh is group se aur> > varun ji se sikha hai.isme doobna to parega hi warna kinare par baith> > kar kuchh nahi samajh sakte> > > > KHUSRO DHARA PREM KI,WA KI ULTI DHAAR> > > > JO TAR GYA SO DOOB GYA,JO DOOB GYA SO TAR GYA> > > > Regards> > > > Kunwar Vishal> > > > > > me , "varun_trvd"> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Vishal ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said:> > >> > >> > >> > > In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been taken> > > into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the first> > > condition is :> > >> > >> > >> > > “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi jo> > >> > > Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal hoâ€> > >> > >> > >> > > In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet has> > been> > > explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as:> > >> > >> > >> > > “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi mein> > > budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein baith> > > gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke ghar> > > se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ]> > >> > >> > >> > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer living> > > today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , kulbir bance> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Vishal ji,> > > >> > > > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal> > > > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara analyse> > > > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur> > > > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi hoga> > ki> > > > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 tarah> > se> > > > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur makkan.> > > > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi> > > > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay paida> > > > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti rahti> > > > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai jati> > > > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke hisab se> > > > phal padha jata hai.> > > >> > > > Kulbir.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote:> > > > > Kulbeer ji> > > > >> > > > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli> > > > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli banane> > ke> > > > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab se> > > > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana hai.yadi> > kahi> > > > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik mukarar> > ki> > > gayi> > > > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane ka> > > kasht> > > > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar me> > > neech ya> > > > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar.> > > > >> > > > > Dhanyawad> > > > >> > > > > Kunwar Vishal> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , kulbir bance> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >>> > > > >> Vishal ji,> > > > >>> > > > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If> > > > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne wale> > grah> > > > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR par> > > chodh> > > > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat> > karte> > > > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. Bhai> > > > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge.> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards> > > > >>> > > > >> kulbir.> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote:> > > > >> > Respected Members,> > > > >> >> > > > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA> > > > >> >> > > > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA> > > > >> >> > > > >> > so there should not b confusion about> > > > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar consider> > > mesh> > > > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab> > > consider> > > > > only> > > > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > With Regards> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Kunwar vishal> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > , "Umesh Sharma"> > > > >> > mudit982001@ wrote:> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji,> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal Nek ka> > > > > brikh> > > > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga" Agar "Brikh> > ko> > > > > rashi> > > > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main hone> > > ka> > > > > phal> > > > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi tak> > > > > uljhan> > > > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda hota> > > hey> > > > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta hey,> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye juda> > > phal> > > > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina jayega?> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki Nek> > > > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke sambhandh> > > main> > > > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho".> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native another> > is> > > for> > > > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken?> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> So i asked this question> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha.> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Thanks & Regards> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Umesh Sharma> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal poochney> > ka> > > > > arth> > > > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, Sirf> > > aur> > > > >> > sirf> > > > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi mera> > > > > pryaas> > > > >> >> hey.> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> , kulbir bance> > > > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > Varun ji,> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person of> > > > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah yeh> > > shansha> > > > > hi> > > > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon ka> > > shudh> > > > >> > roop> > > > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta.> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur> > > > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise> > > pahelion> > > > >> > jaise> > > > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur> > > arguements> > > > >> > with> > > > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee.> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > Repards.> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > Kulbir.> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative> > > > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not> > be> > > > > taken> > > > >> > as> > > > >> >> > > finding fault with the book.> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities and> > > > > evaluate> > > > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on> > > discard> > > > >> > them.> > > > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and> > > we> > > > >> > should> > > > >> >> > > not discourage it.> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > > With respect and regards,> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > > ,> > "heartzthief54"> > > > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah> > par> > > > > BRAKH> > > > >> >> > > likha> > > > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai> > > na> > > > > ki> > > > >> >> > > jaise> > > > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala> > karna> > > > > chahte> > > > >> >> > > hain> > > > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni> > taraf> > > se> > > > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB> > > > > samajh> > > > >> > ke> > > > >> >> > > pade> > > > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne> > ke> > > > > liye> > > > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee> > > 1952> > > > >> > wale> > > > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte.> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO> > > > > TARAZU> > > > >> >> MEIN> > > > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha> > > hai> > > > >> > maine)> > > > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par> > > > > bandh> > > > >> >> > > karta> > > > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke> > > > > vichar> > > > >> >> > > aapko> > > > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh> > wohi> > > > > jane> > > > >> > ya> > > > >> >> > > unka> > > > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se> > > > > sehmat> > > > >> >> > > nahi to> > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada> > jante> > > > >> >> > > hain,balki> > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL> > KITAB> > > ko> > > > >> > padte> > > > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon> > sirf> > > or> > > > >> > sirf> > > > >> >> > > gyan> > > > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko> > kehte> > > > > hain> > > > >> >> > > apne> > > > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana).> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho> > to> > > ?)> > > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> >> > >> Mahajan> > > > >> >> > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense.> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji> > also> > > as> > > > > to> > > > >> >> > > what> > > > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation.> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Regards,> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > , kulbir> > bance> > > > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji,> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word> > > brakh> > > > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch> > phal> > > ka> > > > >> >> > > hoga. Had> > > > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered> > > > >> >> > > meaningless.> > > > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or> > > > > khanna> > > > >> > no.> > > > >> >> > > 2.> > > > >> >> > >> > The> > > > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Regards.> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir.> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote> > > varsha> > > > >> > rain> > > > >> >> > > in> > > > >> >> > >> > common> > > > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal> > pradesh> > > and> > > > >> >> > > punjab.> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and> > the> > > > >> > imagery> > > > >> >> > >> > used in> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the> > > colloquial> > > > >> >> > > parlance> > > > >> >> > >> > of> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun,> > rainbow,> > > > >> > jangal> > > > >> >> > > mein> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , kulbir> > > > > bance> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we> > have> > > > > come> > > > >> >> > > across> > > > >> >> > >> > some> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle> > > nor> > > > >> > brakh> > > > >> >> > > have> > > > >> >> > >> > to> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much> > mean> > > > >> > brakha.> > > > >> >> > > And> > > > >> >> > >> > it> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> fits> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of> > > the> > > > >> >> > > phrase is> > > > >> >> > >> > to> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > ,> > > kulbir> > > > >> > bance> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle> > should> > > > > also> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and> > cold> > > in> > > > >> > the> > > > >> >> > > same> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a> > rainbow> > > > >> > emerges.> > > > >> >> > > Nau> > > > >> >> > >> > hi> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house,> > > [which> > > > > I> > > > >> >> > >> > personally> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > ,> > > > > kulbir> > > > >> >> > > bance> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery> > can> > > > > the> > > > >> >> > > brakh> > > > >> >> > >> > mean> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. 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Kulbir.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >>> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya> > mangal> > > > > nek> > > > >> > ka> > > > >> >> brakh> > > > >> >> > >> mein> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash> > > > > hoga��> > > > >> > [> > > > >> >> 1942> > > > >> >> > >> urdu> > > > >> >> > >> > ed ;> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word> > > > >> >> ‘ka’;> > > > >> >> > >> this means> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one> > says> > > > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as> > > > > 'mangal> > > > >> > nek> > > > >> >> ka> > > > >> >> > >> sooraj> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is> > used> > > as> > > > > a> > > > >> >> > >> > metaphor and> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean> > > that> > > > >> > the> > > > >> >> > >> > destiny> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen> > > in> > > > > the> > > > >> >> > > brakh> > > > >> >> > >> > [ 2nd> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house].> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house> > > ].> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the> > > 9th,> > > > > and> > > > >> > it> > > > >> >> > > can> > > > >> >> > >> > not> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in> > the> > > 2nd> > > > >> >> > >> > therefore my> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of> > > > > Jupiter,> > > > >> >> and> > > > >> >> > >> > the sun> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes> > > the> > > > >> >> > > imagery> > > > >> >> > >> > all> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th> > > and> > > > >> > being> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This> > is> > > > > inter-> > > > >> >> > >> > planetary> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out> > in> > > the> > > > >> >> > > book. In> > > > >> >> > >> > the> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > book> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in> > > relation> > > > > to> > > > >> >> > > other> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements.> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th> > > would> > > > > be> > > > >> >> > > that of> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Respected Varun Ji, yadi yahan 1942 page no. 47 aur 49 par jikar rashi ka hai to iska practical lal kitab ke according analysis dekar bataye.kyoki aise lassi me manthan karne se makhan nahi niklega lassi ki lassi hi rahegi.wahan par mekh ka malik mangal ,unch phal suraj,neech phal shanichar hai,to kya lal kitab ke anusar pehle khane me jahan ki use mesh rashi mana hai is sthiti ko nahi lete.ya chothe ghar me makar ka guru ho to lal kitab use neech kahe gi.kripya example aise de ki mukarar khane ke ilawa kahi aur rashi ke hisaab se neech ya unch phal diya ho.mera discuss karne matlab lal kitab ko sahi dhang se samjhane ka hai yadi aap ki baat theek hai ki rashi ka jikar hai kintu practically kahan par hai. Regards Kunwar Vishal , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > Just a couple of examples where the Lal Kitab takes rasi into > consideration: > > > > Have a look at the following pages. > > > > [ A ] 1942 ed; page 47 chapter grah ki apani rasi > > > > [ B ] 1942 ed page 49 [ two tables ] > > > > Have a look at these tables and you will see the rasi being talked > about, so much so the last line of the table entitled ‘ buniyadi > talluk grah va rasi’ says “ grah va rasi ka asar mushtarka > lete hain†> > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > , " varun_trvd " > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > Your quote from Krishna Ashant ji: > > > > " iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi vrahspati ke > pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi shatru grah > baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir hoga. " > > > > is for the third condition of Pitri Rin which reads as: > > > > panch, barah,nau, do koi mande > > rin pitri ban jata ho. > > > > This does not negate the interpretation of the first condition given > by Ashant ji where he says that it refers to the rasi and not the house. > > > > Where as the lines I had quoted earlier for the first condition had > been interpeted by Ashant ji to refer to the rasi and not the khana or > the bhava. > > > > According to Pt. Krishna Ashant ji, in the context of the pitri rin > both the rasi and the houses have been taken into consideration. > > > > As for individual choice, you are absolutely free to ignore rasi > altogether while analysing a kundali through Lal Kitab paddhati. > > > > Similarly our individual choice is to take into consideration the > rasi, while analysing a kundali according to the Lal Kitab, keeping in > with the tradition of Vedic Indian astrology. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vishalastrologer " > vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > pranam > > > > > > Sir,jaise ki aap > > > pt. krishan ashant ji example de rahe hai.unho ne b pt. roopchand ji > ke > > > dwara likhit shlok ki vyakhya ki hai magar apne dhang se > > > > > > GHAR NAUWE HO GRAH KOI BAITHA,BUDH BAITHA JAR SAATHI JO > > > > > > 9th house me jo grah baithe yadi uski JAR me budh baith jaye to rin > > > pitra us grah se hoga.jaise 9th ghar me shukar ho usi samay budh 7th > me > > > baith jaye to shukar se rin pitra hoga. > > > > > > RIN PITRA US GHAR SE HOGA ,ASAR GRAH SAB NISHPHAL HO > > > > > > yahan par ghar ka jikar hai na ki rashi ka yadi hum khud hi > > > apne dhang se koi matlab nikaal le to jaroori nahi ki har koi sehmat > > > ho.kyo ki lal kitab ke kisi b original version me rashi ka jikar > alag se > > > nahi aaya.yadi rashi shabad ka prayog hota hai to wo humey khud > aapni > > > common sense se hi yeh baat samajhni hogi ki shukar ki rashi yaani > dusra > > > aur satwa bhav.varun ji aap ne jo explanation di hai wo krishan > ashant > > > ji ki hai page no. 28 LAL KITAB PATRIK DOSH uski aage ki lines kuchh > is > > > tarah se hai(iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi > > > vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi > > > shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir > > > hoga.yeh bracket wale shabad isi kitab me isi page no. 28 par likhe > hue > > > hai.pt. roopchand ji ne lal kitab 1952 > > > > > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA,NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GIN KAR,BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > > > > YAHI SHABAD IN THE YEAR 2000 ME LUDHIANA KE JYOTISH > > > SAMMELAN ME PT. ROOPCHAND KE KOI BUJURG RELATIVE HAI US SAMAY UNHO > NE > > > STAGE PAR YEH SHABAD AUR ISKI VYAKHYA KI RASHI KA ALAG SE KOI MAHTAV > LAL > > > KITAB ME NAHI.AAp PARTAAL KARNA CHAHE TO PHARWLA ME KAR SAKTE HAI.us > > > samay pt. krishan ashant ji b wahan upasthit the.wo bujurg aaj b lal > > > kitab ki practice karte hai yeh nishchit to nahi keh sakta.kyoki jab > ek > > > saal pehle unse mulakaat ki thi to unka health theek nahi tha.aur > ukt > > > shabad shuru me dene ka matlab saaf hai ki bhav ko hi rashi mana > > > jaye.yadi kisi paas koi aur explanation jo ki lal kitab ke original > > > version me ho to humey apne gyan se roshni dikhane ki kripalta > kare.lal > > > kitab se prem hai aur is group se b.kyoki bahut kuchh is group se > aur > > > varun ji se sikha hai.isme doobna to parega hi warna kinare par > baith > > > kar kuchh nahi samajh sakte > > > > > > KHUSRO DHARA PREM KI,WA KI ULTI DHAAR > > > > > > JO TAR GYA SO DOOB GYA,JO DOOB GYA SO TAR GYA > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > me , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been > taken > > > > into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the > first > > > > condition is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi jo > > > > > > > > Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal ho†> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet > has > > > been > > > > explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi > mein > > > > budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein > baith > > > > gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke ghar > > > > se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer > living > > > > today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal > > > > > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara > analyse > > > > > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur > > > > > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi > hoga > > > ki > > > > > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 > tarah > > > se > > > > > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur > makkan. > > > > > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi > > > > > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay > paida > > > > > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti > rahti > > > > > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai > jati > > > > > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke > hisab se > > > > > phal padha jata hai. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > > Kulbeer ji > > > > > > > > > > > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli > > > > > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli > banane > > > ke > > > > > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke hisab > se > > > > > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana > hai.yadi > > > kahi > > > > > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik > mukarar > > > ki > > > > gayi > > > > > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to batane > ka > > > > kasht > > > > > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar > me > > > > neech ya > > > > > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > > > > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vishal ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > > > > > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne > wale > > > grah > > > > > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo AAKHIR > par > > > > chodh > > > > > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki baat > > > karte > > > > > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. > Bhai > > > > > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > >> > > > > > >> kulbir. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > >> > Respected Members, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > so there should not b confusion about > > > > > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar > consider > > > > mesh > > > > > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal kitab > > > > consider > > > > > > only > > > > > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > With Regards > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Kunwar vishal > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > > > >> > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal > Nek ka > > > > > > brikh > > > > > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar > " Brikh > > > ko > > > > > > rashi > > > > > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi main > hone > > > > ka > > > > > > phal > > > > > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye abhi > tak > > > > > > uljhan > > > > > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal juda > hota > > > > hey > > > > > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta > hey, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. Ye > juda > > > > phal > > > > > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina > jayega? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal ki > Nek > > > > > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke > sambhandh > > > > main > > > > > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native > another > > > is > > > > for > > > > > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> So i asked this question > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Thanks & Regards > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Umesh Sharma > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal > poochney > > > ka > > > > > > arth > > > > > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha hoon, > Sirf > > > > aur > > > > > >> > sirf > > > > > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun yehi > mera > > > > > > pryaas > > > > > >> >> hey. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> , kulbir bance > > > > > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Varun ji, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a person > of > > > > > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah > yeh > > > > shansha > > > > > > hi > > > > > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to kitabon > ka > > > > shudh > > > > > >> > roop > > > > > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > > > > > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise > > > > pahelion > > > > > >> > jaise > > > > > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur > > > > arguements > > > > > >> > with > > > > > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Repards. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for > alternative > > > > > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should > not > > > be > > > > > > taken > > > > > >> > as > > > > > >> >> > > finding fault with the book. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other possibilities > and > > > > > > evaluate > > > > > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on > > > > discard > > > > > >> > them. > > > > > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise > and > > > > we > > > > > >> > should > > > > > >> >> > > not discourage it. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > With respect and regards, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > , > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut > jagah > > > par > > > > > > BRAKH > > > > > >> >> > > likha > > > > > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya > hai > > > > na > > > > > > ki > > > > > >> >> > > jaise > > > > > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala > > > karna > > > > > > chahte > > > > > >> >> > > hain > > > > > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni > > > taraf > > > > se > > > > > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL > KITAB > > > > > > samajh > > > > > >> > ke > > > > > >> >> > > pade > > > > > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan > nikalne > > > ke > > > > > > liye > > > > > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye > bhee > > > > 1952 > > > > > >> > wale > > > > > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) > KO > > > > > > TARAZU > > > > > >> >> MEIN > > > > > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada > likha > > > > hai > > > > > >> > maine) > > > > > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi > par > > > > > > bandh > > > > > >> >> > > karta > > > > > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. > Aapke > > > > > > vichar > > > > > >> >> > > aapko > > > > > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh > > > wohi > > > > > > jane > > > > > >> > ya > > > > > >> >> > > unka > > > > > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre > se > > > > > > sehmat > > > > > >> >> > > nahi to > > > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada > > > jante > > > > > >> >> > > hain,balki > > > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL > > > KITAB > > > > ko > > > > > >> > padte > > > > > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon > > > sirf > > > > or > > > > > >> > sirf > > > > > >> >> > > gyan > > > > > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko > > > kehte > > > > > > hain > > > > > >> >> > > apne > > > > > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi > ho > > > to > > > > ?) > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Mahajan > > > > > >> >> > >> , > " varun_trvd " > > > > > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji > > > also > > > > as > > > > > > to > > > > > >> >> > > what > > > > > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Regards, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > , kulbir > > > bance > > > > > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing > word > > > > brakh > > > > > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho > uch > > > phal > > > > ka > > > > > >> >> > > hoga. Had > > > > > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be > rendered > > > > > >> >> > > meaningless. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus > or > > > > > > khanna > > > > > >> > no. > > > > > >> >> > > 2. > > > > > >> >> > >> > The > > > > > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more > relevent. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Regards. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to > denote > > > > varsha > > > > > >> > rain > > > > > >> >> > > in > > > > > >> >> > >> > common > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal > > > pradesh > > > > and > > > > > >> >> > > punjab. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors > and > > > the > > > > > >> > imagery > > > > > >> >> > >> > used in > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the > > > > colloquial > > > > > >> >> > > parlance > > > > > >> >> > >> > of > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, > > > rainbow, > > > > > >> > jangal > > > > > >> >> > > mein > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > kulbir > > > > > > bance > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, > imagery, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we > > > have > > > > > > come > > > > > >> >> > > across > > > > > >> >> > >> > some > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither > jungle > > > > nor > > > > > >> > brakh > > > > > >> >> > > have > > > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much > > > mean > > > > > >> > brakha. > > > > > >> >> > > And > > > > > >> >> > >> > it > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> fits > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal > meaning of > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > phrase is > > > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > --- In , > > > > kulbir > > > > > >> > bance > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle > > > should > > > > > > also > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot > and > > > cold > > > > in > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> >> > > same > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a > > > rainbow > > > > > >> > emerges. > > > > > >> >> > > Nau > > > > > >> >> > >> > hi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd > house, > > > > [which > > > > > > I > > > > > >> >> > >> > personally > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > --- In > , > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > >> >> > > bance > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and > imagery > > > can > > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > > > >> >> > >> > mean > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same > > > > meaning > > > > > > as > > > > > >> >> > > jangal > > > > > >> >> > >> > me > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur > > > views > > > > > > also. > > > > > >> >> > >> > Respect and > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya > > > mangal > > > > > > nek > > > > > >> > ka > > > > > >> >> brakh > > > > > >> >> > >> mein > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > > > > > > hoga�� > > > > > >> > [ > > > > > >> >> 1942 > > > > > >> >> > >> urdu > > > > > >> >> > >> > ed ; > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > > > > > >> >> ‘ka’; > > > > > >> >> > >> this means > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one > > > says > > > > > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read > as > > > > > > 'mangal > > > > > >> > nek > > > > > >> >> ka > > > > > >> >> > >> sooraj > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is > > > used > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > >> >> > >> > metaphor and > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would > mean > > > > that > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> >> > >> > destiny > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has > risen > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > > > >> >> > >> > [ 2nd > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd > house > > > > ]. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in > the > > > > 9th, > > > > > > and > > > > > >> > it > > > > > >> >> > > can > > > > > >> >> > >> > not > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed > in > > > the > > > > 2nd > > > > > >> >> > >> > therefore my > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz > of > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > >> >> > >> > the sun > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter > makes > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > imagery > > > > > >> >> > >> > all > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn > 9th > > > > and > > > > > >> > being > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. > This > > > is > > > > > > inter- > > > > > >> >> > >> > planetary > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through > out > > > in > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > book. In > > > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > book > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in > > > > relation > > > > > > to > > > > > >> >> > > other > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the > 9th > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > >> >> > > that of > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds > from > > > > the > > > > > >> > ocean > > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> 9th > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > go > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the > 2nd > > > and > > > > > >> >> > > precipitate > > > > > >> >> > >> > in > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > > > > " vishalastrologer " > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR > ASAR > > > 2 > > > > > > DETA > > > > > >> > HO > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE 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> > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars > > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > 9th > > > > > >> >> > >> > house > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > give > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results > of > > > the > > > > sun > > > > > >> >> > > placed > > > > > >> >> > >> > in the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > 2nd > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar > example > > > > from > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> >> > > book > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> where > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the book > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic 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Then do > you > > > > mean > > > > > > to > > > > > >> > say > > > > > >> >> > >> > that the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the > 2nd > > > > house > > > > > >> > twice > > > > > >> >> > >> > over? > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that > the > > > > mars > > > > > > in > > > > > >> >> > > the 9th > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> will > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > be > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak > makes > > > > his > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > >> >> > > house > > > > > >> >> > >> > Sun > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in > the > > > 9th > > > > > > will > > > > > >> >> > > also > > > > > >> >> > >> > turn > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house > represents, > > > > apart > > > > > > from > > > > > >> >> > > other > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > things, > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a > > > Mars > > > > > > placed > > > > > >> >> in > > > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the > Sun > > > in > > > > the > > > > > >> > 2nd > > > > > >> >> > >> > house the > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na > guru > > > > > > pradhan > > > > > >> > ho > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor > duniya > > > > daan > > > > > > ko > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified > if > > > > the > > > > > > mars > > > > > >> >> in > > > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, It is your choice to accept or not to accept what Pt. Krishna Ashant ji has said, while discussing the Pitri Rin, that the rasi is also taken into account. Again it is your own choice to interpret the following line which I had quoted: “ grah va rasi ka asar mushtarka lete hain†to mean that by rasi the author meant the bhav or khana although he could have used the word khana as he normally does. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " vishalastrologer " <vishalastrologer wrote: > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > yadi yahan 1942 page no. 47 aur 49 > par jikar rashi ka hai to iska practical lal kitab ke according analysis > dekar bataye.kyoki aise lassi me manthan karne se makhan nahi niklega > lassi ki lassi hi rahegi.wahan par mekh ka malik mangal ,unch phal > suraj,neech phal shanichar hai,to kya lal kitab ke anusar pehle khane me > jahan ki use mesh rashi mana hai is sthiti ko nahi lete.ya chothe ghar > me makar ka guru ho to lal kitab use neech kahe gi.kripya example aise > de ki mukarar khane ke ilawa kahi aur rashi ke hisaab se neech ya unch > phal diya ho.mera discuss karne matlab lal kitab ko sahi dhang se > samjhane ka hai yadi aap ki baat theek hai ki rashi ka jikar hai kintu > practically kahan par hai. > > Regards > > Kunwar Vishal > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > Just a couple of examples where the Lal Kitab takes rasi into > > consideration: > > > > > > > > Have a look at the following pages. > > > > > > > > [ A ] 1942 ed; page 47 chapter grah ki apani rasi > > > > > > > > [ B ] 1942 ed page 49 [ two tables ] > > > > > > > > Have a look at these tables and you will see the rasi being talked > > about, so much so the last line of the table entitled ‘ > buniyadi > > talluk grah va rasi’ says “ grah va rasi ka asar > mushtarka > > lete hain†> > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > Your quote from Krishna Ashant ji: > > > > > > " iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi vrahspati ke > > pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me koi shatru grah > > baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir hoga. " > > > > > > is for the third condition of Pitri Rin which reads as: > > > > > > panch, barah,nau, do koi mande > > > rin pitri ban jata ho. > > > > > > This does not negate the interpretation of the first condition given > > by Ashant ji where he says that it refers to the rasi and not the > house. > > > > > > Where as the lines I had quoted earlier for the first condition had > > been interpeted by Ashant ji to refer to the rasi and not the khana or > > the bhava. > > > > > > According to Pt. Krishna Ashant ji, in the context of the pitri rin > > both the rasi and the houses have been taken into consideration. > > > > > > As for individual choice, you are absolutely free to ignore rasi > > altogether while analysing a kundali through Lal Kitab paddhati. > > > > > > Similarly our individual choice is to take into consideration the > > rasi, while analysing a kundali according to the Lal Kitab, keeping in > > with the tradition of Vedic Indian astrology. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vishalastrologer " > > vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > pranam > > > > > > > > Sir,jaise ki aap > > > > pt. krishan ashant ji example de rahe hai.unho ne b pt. roopchand > ji > > ke > > > > dwara likhit shlok ki vyakhya ki hai magar apne dhang se > > > > > > > > GHAR NAUWE HO GRAH KOI BAITHA,BUDH BAITHA JAR SAATHI JO > > > > > > > > 9th house me jo grah baithe yadi uski JAR me budh baith jaye to > rin > > > > pitra us grah se hoga.jaise 9th ghar me shukar ho usi samay budh > 7th > > me > > > > baith jaye to shukar se rin pitra hoga. > > > > > > > > RIN PITRA US GHAR SE HOGA ,ASAR GRAH SAB NISHPHAL HO > > > > > > > > yahan par ghar ka jikar hai na ki rashi ka yadi hum khud hi > > > > apne dhang se koi matlab nikaal le to jaroori nahi ki har koi > sehmat > > > > ho.kyo ki lal kitab ke kisi b original version me rashi ka jikar > > alag se > > > > nahi aaya.yadi rashi shabad ka prayog hota hai to wo humey khud > > aapni > > > > common sense se hi yeh baat samajhni hogi ki shukar ki rashi yaani > > dusra > > > > aur satwa bhav.varun ji aap ne jo explanation di hai wo krishan > > ashant > > > > ji ki hai page no. 28 LAL KITAB PATRIK DOSH uski aage ki lines > kuchh > > is > > > > tarah se hai(iska matlab sirf yah hai ki aur sharto ke ilawa yadi > > > > vrahspati ke pakke gharo , {yahan rashion se matlab nahi hai} me > koi > > > > shatru grah baith jaye to us halat me b kundli se pitra rin jahir > > > > hoga.yeh bracket wale shabad isi kitab me isi page no. 28 par > likhe > > hue > > > > hai.pt. roopchand ji ne lal kitab 1952 > > > > > > > > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA,NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > > > > > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GIN KAR,BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYA > > > > > > > > YAHI SHABAD IN THE YEAR 2000 ME LUDHIANA KE JYOTISH > > > > SAMMELAN ME PT. ROOPCHAND KE KOI BUJURG RELATIVE HAI US SAMAY UNHO > > NE > > > > STAGE PAR YEH SHABAD AUR ISKI VYAKHYA KI RASHI KA ALAG SE KOI > MAHTAV > > LAL > > > > KITAB ME NAHI.AAp PARTAAL KARNA CHAHE TO PHARWLA ME KAR SAKTE > HAI.us > > > > samay pt. krishan ashant ji b wahan upasthit the.wo bujurg aaj b > lal > > > > kitab ki practice karte hai yeh nishchit to nahi keh sakta.kyoki > jab > > ek > > > > saal pehle unse mulakaat ki thi to unka health theek nahi tha.aur > > ukt > > > > shabad shuru me dene ka matlab saaf hai ki bhav ko hi rashi mana > > > > jaye.yadi kisi paas koi aur explanation jo ki lal kitab ke > original > > > > version me ho to humey apne gyan se roshni dikhane ki kripalta > > kare.lal > > > > kitab se prem hai aur is group se b.kyoki bahut kuchh is group se > > aur > > > > varun ji se sikha hai.isme doobna to parega hi warna kinare par > > baith > > > > kar kuchh nahi samajh sakte > > > > > > > > KHUSRO DHARA PREM KI,WA KI ULTI DHAAR > > > > > > > > JO TAR GYA SO DOOB GYA,JO DOOB GYA SO TAR GYA > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > me , " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab both the bhav [ khana ] and the rasi have been > > taken > > > > > into account. In the context of ‘Pitri Rin’ the > > first > > > > > condition is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghar nauve ho grah koi baitha, budh baitha jad saathi > jo > > > > > > > > > > Rin pitri us ghar se hoga asar grah sab nishphal ho†> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his book ‘Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh’ this couplet > > has > > > > been > > > > > explained by Pt. Krishna Ashant ji as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ nauve bhav mein koi bhi grah baitha ho, yadi uski rasi > > mein > > > > > budh baith jaye to pitri rin hoga. yahan jo grah nauve ghar mein > > baith > > > > > gaya hai us grah ki rashiyon se sambandh hai na ki uske pakke > ghar > > > > > se.†[ Lal Kitab Paitrik Dosh; page 28 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is the most learned Lal Kitab astrologer > > living > > > > > today. He has a dozen books on Lal Kitab to his credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > pehli baat to har grah ke har khanne me unch aur nich phal > > > > > > diye gayein hain. Doosri baat files section me pt. Ji dawara > > analyse > > > > > > ki hui kundali ki scanned copy padi hai. Usme dasha antar aur > > > > > > prayantar dasha ki dates likhi hui hain. Itna to aapko pata hi > > hoga > > > > ki > > > > > > vimshotri me rashi nakshatra ka kya role hota hai. Lalkitab 4 > > tarah > > > > se > > > > > > kundali banane ke bare kahti hai jyotish hastrekha photo aur > > makkan. > > > > > > Charon ka jarb taksim ik final kundali banata hai. Usme rashi > > > > > > nakshatra ka role nahin lete. Saaf to likha hai ki ik hi samay > > paida > > > > > > hue bachon ki kismat yaksan nahin hoti aur hast rekha badalti > > rahti > > > > > > hai. Is liye sabhi illmon ko mila kar ik darusat kundali banai > > jati > > > > > > hai aur phir lalkitab ke anusar rashi ko mita kar khanne ke > > hisab se > > > > > > phal padha jata hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > > > Kulbeer ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lal kitab kundli making ki nahi kundli > > > > > > > parne(phalit) ke liye ye lines likhi gai hai na ki kundli > > banane > > > > ke > > > > > > > liye.ek baar dobara baat keh raha hu kundli lal kitab ke > hisab > > se > > > > > > > kaalpurush ki raashi ki pehli rashi mesh ko lagan mana > > hai.yadi > > > > kahi > > > > > > > pehle ya kisi aur khane me jo rashi lal kitab ke mutabik > > mukarar > > > > ki > > > > > gayi > > > > > > > hai us ghar ke ilawa kahi aur us rashi ka jikar hai to > batane > > ka > > > > > kasht > > > > > > > kare.yadi kewal samudrik ki baat hoti koi b grah kisi b ghar > > me > > > > > neech ya > > > > > > > unch ho sakta hai lal kitab ke anusar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanyawad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Vishal ji, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> kindly read rashiphal and grahphal in 1942 edition. If > > > > > > >> rashi is not considered then rashi phal ke hisab se bolne > > wale > > > > grah > > > > > > >> kya hue. I repeat the sentence rashi aur nakshatra jo > AAKHIR > > par > > > > > chodh > > > > > > >> hi diya gaya hai. Jab hum rashi aur nakshatra chodhne ki > baat > > > > karte > > > > > > >> hain to illm samudrik ki baat karte hain. Jyotish ki nahin. > > Bhai > > > > > > >> panchang nahi loge to kundali kaise banaoge. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> kulbir. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 3/4/09, vishalastrologer vishalastrologer@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > Respected Members, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > RASHI CHHOD NAKSHATRA BHULAYA, NA HI KOI PANCHANG LIYA > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGAN KO GINKAR, BARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN > LIYA > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > so there should not b confusion about > > > > > > >> > bhav.these lines has simple meaning that pehala ghar > > consider > > > > > mesh > > > > > > >> > rashi,socond ghar consider brikh rashi and so on.lal > kitab > > > > > consider > > > > > > > only > > > > > > >> > bhav according to kaal purush rashi not rashi. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > With Regards > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Kunwar vishal > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > , " Umesh > Sharma " > > > > > > >> > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Dear Kulbeer Ji, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> In fact i could not understand this whole line " Mangal > > Nek ka > > > > > > > brikh > > > > > > >> >> main Suraj nikla ki tarah Kismat ka prakash hoga " Agar > > " Brikh > > > > ko > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > >> >> man bhi lain tau Pt. ji ne kahin bhi grahon ko rashi > main > > hone > > > > > ka > > > > > > > phal > > > > > > >> >> nahin likha sirf khano main hone ka likha hey. Esliye > abhi > > tak > > > > > > > uljhan > > > > > > >> >> main hoon. Meri uljhan yeh hey ki > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> 1. Agar ese khana no. 2 mano to esmain suraj ka phal > juda > > hota > > > > > hey > > > > > > >> >> jaisa ki likha hey > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> " Chandra-Mangal Bad, shani bethe, Maut janam Dau milta > > hey, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Aath grah es ghar main aatey, juda Ravi par rahta hey. > Ye > > juda > > > > > phal > > > > > > >> >> kya hey? Aur kya Mangal Nek ko bhi esi tarah par gina > > jayega? > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> 2. Lalkitab Edition 1952 Mangal khana no.9 main Mangal > ki > > Nek > > > > > > >> >> halat main para no.2 main likha hey ki " Bujurgon ke > > sambhandh > > > > > main > > > > > > >> >> Suraj No. 2 ka diya phal paida ho " . > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Both statements are different, one is for own Native > > another > > > > is > > > > > for > > > > > > >> >> Grand Parants, So which is we taken? > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> So i asked this question > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Bhai ji, so main vahin hoon jahan se chala tha. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Thanks & Regards > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Umesh Sharma > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Note:- Bhai ji, main bhi ek student hoon, Mere swaal > > poochney > > > > ka > > > > > > > arth > > > > > > >> >> yeh nahin ki main kisi ki yogyta ki Priksha le raha > hoon, > > Sirf > > > > > aur > > > > > > >> > sirf > > > > > > >> >> aap longon ki sahayta se apni uljhan ko dur kar paun > yehi > > mera > > > > > > > pryaas > > > > > > >> >> hey. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> , kulbir bance > > > > > > >> >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Varun ji, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > i know and undersand umesh ji very well. He is a > person > > of > > > > > > >> >> > rare calibre. Agar brikh ka matlab taurus hota to wah > > yeh > > > > > shansha > > > > > > > hi > > > > > > >> >> > na uthate. Agar galtiyan dhoondane na nikalte to > kitabon > > ka > > > > > shudh > > > > > > >> > roop > > > > > > >> >> > bhi kabhi na milta. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Now umesh ji, can we have a final comment from ur > > > > > > >> >> > side. Group ko chahe na pata ho par main to aapke aise > > > > > pahelion > > > > > > >> > jaise > > > > > > >> >> > sawalon se kain varshon se wakif hun. It reminds of ur > > > > > arguements > > > > > > >> > with > > > > > > >> >> > ur respected brother. So pleaseee. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Repards. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > On 3/2/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for > > alternative > > > > > > >> >> > > possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should > > not > > > > be > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > >> > as > > > > > > >> >> > > finding fault with the book. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > An open mind will always look for other > possibilities > > and > > > > > > > evaluate > > > > > > >> >> > > them. On finding them as not plausible he may later > on > > > > > discard > > > > > > >> > them. > > > > > > >> >> > > But the exercise per se is a valid scientific > exercise > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > >> > should > > > > > > >> >> > > not discourage it. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > , > > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > >> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut > > jagah > > > > par > > > > > > > BRAKH > > > > > > >> >> > > likha > > > > > > >> >> > >> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya > gaya > > hai > > > > > na > > > > > > > ki > > > > > > >> >> > > jaise > > > > > > >> >> > >> aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka > bhala > > > > karna > > > > > > > chahte > > > > > > >> >> > > hain > > > > > > >> >> > >> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki > apni > > > > taraf > > > > > se > > > > > > >> >> > >> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL > > KITAB > > > > > > > samajh > > > > > > >> > ke > > > > > > >> >> > > pade > > > > > > >> >> > >> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan > > nikalne > > > > ke > > > > > > > liye > > > > > > >> >> > >> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye > > bhee > > > > > 1952 > > > > > > >> > wale > > > > > > >> >> > >> eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO > (FROG) > > KO > > > > > > > TARAZU > > > > > > >> >> MEIN > > > > > > >> >> > >> TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada > > likha > > > > > hai > > > > > > >> > maine) > > > > > > >> >> > >> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko > yehi > > par > > > > > > > bandh > > > > > > >> >> > > karta > > > > > > >> >> > >> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. > > Aapke > > > > > > > vichar > > > > > > >> >> > > aapko > > > > > > >> >> > >> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain > yeh > > > > wohi > > > > > > > jane > > > > > > >> > ya > > > > > > >> >> > > unka > > > > > > >> >> > >> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek > dusre > > se > > > > > > > sehmat > > > > > > >> >> > > nahi to > > > > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se > zyada > > > > jante > > > > > > >> >> > > hain,balki > > > > > > >> >> > >> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log > LAL > > > > KITAB > > > > > ko > > > > > > >> > padte > > > > > > >> >> > >> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta > hoon > > > > sirf > > > > > or > > > > > > >> > sirf > > > > > > >> >> > > gyan > > > > > > >> >> > >> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye > (Isko > > > > kehte > > > > > > > hain > > > > > > >> >> > > apne > > > > > > >> >> > >> moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko > lagi > > ho > > > > to > > > > > ?) > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> Mahajan > > > > > > >> >> > >> , > > " varun_trvd " > > > > > > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Yes, that makes sense. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan > ji > > > > also > > > > > as > > > > > > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > what > > > > > > >> >> > >> > they think about this interpretation. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Regards, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > , > kulbir > > > > bance > > > > > > >> >> > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Varun ji, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > the preceeding line before the line containing > > word > > > > > brakh > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho > > uch > > > > phal > > > > > ka > > > > > > >> >> > > hoga. Had > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be > > rendered > > > > > > >> >> > > meaningless. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in > taurus > > or > > > > > > > khanna > > > > > > >> > no. > > > > > > >> >> > > 2. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > The > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more > > relevent. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Regards. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to > > denote > > > > > varsha > > > > > > >> > rain > > > > > > >> >> > > in > > > > > > >> >> > >> > common > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal > > > > pradesh > > > > > and > > > > > > >> >> > > punjab. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors > > and > > > > the > > > > > > >> > imagery > > > > > > >> >> > >> > used in > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the > > > > > colloquial > > > > > > >> >> > > parlance > > > > > > >> >> > >> > of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, > > > > rainbow, > > > > > > >> > jangal > > > > > > >> >> > > mein > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Have a nice day, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > > kulbir > > > > > > > bance > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, > > imagery, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past > we > > > > have > > > > > > > come > > > > > > >> >> > > across > > > > > > >> >> > >> > some > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither > > jungle > > > > > nor > > > > > > >> > brakh > > > > > > >> >> > > have > > > > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very > much > > > > mean > > > > > > >> > brakha. > > > > > > >> >> > > And > > > > > > >> >> > >> > it > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> fits > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Regards. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal > > meaning of > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > phrase is > > > > > > >> >> > >> > to > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Regards, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > --- In > , > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > >> > bance > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Varun ji, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle > > > > should > > > > > > > also > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot > > and > > > > cold > > > > > in > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > > same > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > breath. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a > > > > rainbow > > > > > > >> > emerges. > > > > > > >> >> > > Nau > > > > > > >> >> > >> > hi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > grah > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> mangal gayein. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Regards. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd > > house, > > > > > [which > > > > > > > I > > > > > > >> >> > >> > personally > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > take > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Regards, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > --- In > > , > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > >> >> > > bance > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and > > imagery > > > > can > > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > > > > >> >> > >> > mean > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > barkha to > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has > same > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > as > > > > > > >> >> > > jangal > > > > > > >> >> > >> > me > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give > ur > > > > views > > > > > > > also. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Respect and > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is > : > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, > ya > > > > mangal > > > > > > > nek > > > > > > >> > ka > > > > > > >> >> brakh > > > > > > >> >> > >> mein > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> sooraj > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash > > > > > > > hoga�� > > > > > > >> > [ > > > > > > >> >> 1942 > > > > > > >> >> > >> urdu > > > > > > >> >> > >> > ed ; > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > page > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word > > > > > > >> >> ‘ka’; > > > > > > >> >> > >> this means > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some > one > > > > says > > > > > > >> >> > >> ‘bhagya ka > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be > read > > as > > > > > > > 'mangal > > > > > > >> > nek > > > > > > >> >> ka > > > > > > >> >> > >> sooraj > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> brakh > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj > is > > > > used > > > > > as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > >> >> > >> > metaphor and > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > not > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > as a > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line > would > > mean > > > > > that > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > destiny > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > will > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shine > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has > > risen > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > brakh > > > > > > >> >> > >> > [ 2nd > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house]. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd > > house > > > > > ]. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in > > the > > > > > 9th, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> > it > > > > > > >> >> > > can > > > > > > >> >> > >> > not > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> be > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed > > in > > > > the > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > >> >> > >> > therefore my > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > opinion is > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the > burz > > of > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > > >> >> > >> > the sun > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > mangal > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter > > makes > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > imagery > > > > > > >> >> > >> > all > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > more > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > powerful. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of > Saturn > > 9th > > > > > and > > > > > > >> > being > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > strengthened > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > by Venus > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. > > This > > > > is > > > > > > > inter- > > > > > > >> >> > >> > planetary > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > relationship > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through > > out > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > book. In > > > > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > book > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > most of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given > in > > > > > relation > > > > > > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > other > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > planetary > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > placements. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the > > 9th > > > > > would > > > > > > > be > > > > > > >> >> > > that of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > takraav > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > ocean > > > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> 9th > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > go > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > and > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the > > 2nd > > > > and > > > > > > >> >> > > precipitate > > > > > > >> >> > >> > in > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > 4th. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Regards, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > --- In > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> , > > > > > " vishalastrologer " > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE > ,SHUKAR > > ASAR > > > > 2 > > > > > > > DETA > > > > > > >> > HO > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI > > GUNA 9 > > > > > HOTA > > > > > > > HO > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke > shani > > ka > > > > > dusre > > > > > > >> >> > > shukar se > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab > me > > > > jikar > > > > > hai > > > > > > > ki > > > > > > >> > 9 > > > > > > >> >> > >> > ghar ka > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > shani shubh > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho > to > > > > jahan > > > > > > > tak > > > > > > >> >> > > maine > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> samjhne > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > ki > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > koshish > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo > ki > > > > shani > > > > > ki > > > > > > >> >> > > mashooka > > > > > > >> >> > >> > (YEH > > > > > > >> >> 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>> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . 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Then do > > you > > > > > mean > > > > > > > to > > > > > > >> > say > > > > > > >> >> > >> > that the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > kundali > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> > will > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the > > 2nd > > > > > house > > > > > > >> > twice > > > > > > >> >> > >> > over? > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain > that > > the > > > > > mars > > > > > > > in > > > > > > >> >> > > the 9th > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> will > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > be > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > like > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak > > makes > > > > > his > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > >> >> > > house > > > > > > >> >> > >> > Sun > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in > > the > > > > 9th > > > > > > > will > > > > > > >> >> > > also > > > > > > >> >> > >> > turn > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > malefic? or > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house > > represents, > > > > > apart > > > > > > > from > > > > > > >> >> > > other > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > things, > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would > a > > > > Mars > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > >> >> in > > > > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the > > Sun > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > 2nd > > > > > > >> >> > >> > house the > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> > Lal > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > Kitab > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > says : > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na > > guru > > > > > > > pradhan > > > > > > >> > ho > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor > > duniya > > > > > daan > > > > > > > ko > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be > justified > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > >> >> in > > > > > > >> >> > >> > the 9th > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> > house is > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? 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