Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Mahajan ji, kya aap yeh batane ka kasht karenge ki 1952 edition me yeh line kahan likhi hai. Aapne previous message me likha tha ki 1952 edition me pt ji ne ise darust nahi kiya isliye ise aise hi man liya jaye. Par mujhe to 1952 edition me line nahin mili. Mere vali copy me nahi hai shayad aap wali me ho. Kripya book ka page no. Vgarah bata den. Kripa hogi. Kulbir. On 3/2/09, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH likha > milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki jaise > aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte hain > to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke pade > na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye > pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale > eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN > TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine) > bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh karta > hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar aapko > mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya unka > jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat nahi to > iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante hain,balki > iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte > hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf gyan > badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain apne > moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > > Mahajan > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd wrote: >> >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> Yes, that makes sense. >> >> Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to what >> they think about this interpretation. >> >> Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> > Varun ji, >> > >> > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh >> > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka hoga. Had >> > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered meaningless. >> > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. 2. >> The >> > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Kulbir. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain in >> common >> > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and punjab. >> > > Regards. Kulbir. >> > > >> > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >> >> > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery >> used in >> > >> the Lal Kitab. >> > >> >> > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial parlance >> of >> > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal mein >> > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. >> > >> >> > >> Have a nice day, >> > >> >> > >> Varun Trivedi >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> , kulbir bance >> > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> Respected Varun ji, >> > >>> >> > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, >> > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come across >> some >> > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh have >> to >> > >> be >> > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. And >> it >> > >> fits >> > >>> in the flow of language in the para. >> > >>> >> > >>> Regards. >> > >>> >> > >>> Kulbir. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the phrase is >> to >> > >> be >> > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Regards, >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > , kulbir bance >> > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Varun ji, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also >> > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the same >> > >>> > breath. >> > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. Nau >> hi >> > >>> > grah >> > >>> >> mangal gayein. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Regards. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Kulbir. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > I am afraid no. >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I >> personally >> > >>> > take >> > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > Regards, >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > , kulbir bance >> > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the brakh >> mean >> > >>> >> > barkha to >> > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as jangal >> me >> > >>> >> > mangal. >> > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. >> Respect and >> > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh > mein >> > >> sooraj >> > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ 1942 > urdu >> ed ; >> > >>> >> > page >> > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’; > this means >> > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > ‘bhagya ka >> > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka > sooraj >> > >> brakh >> > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a >> metaphor and >> > >>> > not >> > >>> >> > as a >> > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the >> destiny >> > >>> > will >> > >>> >> > shine >> > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the brakh >> [ 2nd >> > >>> >> > house]. >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it can >> not >> > >> be >> > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd >> therefore my >> > >>> >> > opinion is >> > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and >> the sun >> > >>> > of >> > >>> >> > mangal >> > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the imagery >> all >> > >> the >> > >>> >> > more >> > >>> >> >> > powerful. >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being >> > >>> > strengthened >> > >>> >> > by Venus >> > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- >> planetary >> > >>> >> > relationship >> > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the book. In >> the >> > >>> > book >> > >>> >> > most of >> > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to other >> > >>> > planetary >> > >>> >> >> > placements. >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be that of >> > >>> > takraav >> > >>> >> > [ 6-8 >> > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean of >> the >> > >> 9th >> > >>> > go >> > >>> >> > and >> > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and precipitate >> in >> > >> the >> > >>> >> > 4th. >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > Regards, >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > --- In >> > >> , " vishalastrologer " >> > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana >> > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre shukar se >> > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9 >> ghar ka >> > >>> >> > shani shubh >> > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak maine >> > >> samjhne >> > >>> > ki >> > >>> >> >> > koshish >> > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki mashooka >> (YEH >> > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL >> > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat barata >> > >>> > hai.aur >> > >>> >> > mangal >> > >>> >> >> > 9 >> > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke >> farmaan >> > >>> > (1939) >> > >>> >> > page >> > >>> >> >> > no. >> > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke >> ghar(8) >> > >>> > me >> > >>> >> > hoga to >> > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko jab >> > >> suraj >> > >>> >> > (lord >> > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal >> (hanumaan) to >> > >>> > nek >> > >>> >> > hi >> > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh doosri >> > >>> > example >> > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai abi tak >> > >>> > adhoora >> > >>> >> > samajh >> > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA >> CHAL KAR >> > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR >> > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE GI) >> magar >> > >>> > yahan >> > >>> >> >> > chothe >> > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori >> samajh >> > >> me >> > >>> >> > aa rahi >> > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho to >> > >> please >> > >>> >> > explain >> > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum sabhi >> ko ek >> > >>> > baat >> > >>> >> > yaad >> > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan >> bakhsha >> > >>> > hai >> > >>> >> > to >> > >>> >> >> > itne >> > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho sakta >> hai jo >> > >>> > baat >> > >>> >> >> > doosro >> > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this >> world >> > >>> >> > expect the >> > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako to >> > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN >> > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE >> SANATAN >> > >>> >> > DHARAM KA >> > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> with regards >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal >> > >>> >> >> >> --- In >> , " varun_trvd " >> > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the 9th >> house >> > >>> > will >> > >>> >> > give >> > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun placed >> in the >> > >>> > 2nd >> > >>> >> > house >> > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the book >> > >> where >> > >>> >> > the book >> > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and not >> the >> > >>> >> > malefic ones? >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > --- In >> > >> , " heartzthief54 " >> > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal >> rahe >> > >>> > hain ki >> > >>> >> >> > Mangal >> > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh >> thaa ki >> > >> jo >> > >>> >> > khana no >> > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke >> > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 wale ko >> > >>> > milenge >> > >>> >> > (nek >> > >>> >> >> >> > mayno >> > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi >> halat ke >> > >>> >> > phal nahi >> > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh >> dekhna >> > >>> > hoga >> > >>> >> > ki >> > >>> >> >> > suraj >> > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka phal >> de >> > >>> > raha >> > >>> >> > hai ya >> > >>> >> >> >> > nek >> > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat ka >> phal >> > >> de >> > >>> >> > raha hai. >> > >>> >> >> >> > agar >> > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh >> sone pe >> > >>> >> > suhaga wali >> > >>> >> >> >> > baat >> > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se >> mazboor ho >> > >> ke >> > >>> >> > bhee >> > >>> >> >> >> > achhe >> > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata ya >> unhe >> > >>> > bhee >> > >>> >> > neech >> > >>> >> >> >> > kar >> > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya) >> dekh >> > >> kar >> > >>> > hee >> > >>> >> >> > bataya >> > >>> >> >> >> > ja >> > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah par hai >> > >> unko >> > >>> >> > dekh kar >> > >>> >> >> >> > hee >> > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap meri >> baat >> > >>> >> > samajh >> > >>> >> >> > gaye >> > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In >> > >> , " varun_trvd " >> > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would love to >> hear >> > >>> >> > your views >> > >>> >> >> >> > on >> > >>> >> >> >> > > the >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house give >> the >> > >>> >> > results of >> > >>> >> >> >> > the >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house and >> at the >> > >>> >> > same time >> > >>> >> >> >> > the >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say >> that the >> > >>> >> > kundali >> > >>> >> >> > will >> > >>> >> >> >> > > have >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice >> over? >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in the 9th >> > >> will >> > >>> > be >> > >>> >> > like >> > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd house >> Sun >> > >>> >> > malefic, >> > >>> >> >> >> > would it >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will also >> turn >> > >>> >> > malefic? or >> > >>> >> >> >> > visa >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from other >> > >>> > things, >> > >>> >> > the >> > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in >> the 9th >> > >>> >> > house >> > >>> >> >> >> > signify >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd >> house the >> > >>> > Lal >> > >>> >> > Kitab >> > >>> >> >> >> > says : >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in >> the 9th >> > >>> >> > house is >> > >>> >> >> >> > turned >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will >> behave >> > >>> > like >> > >>> >> > the >> > >>> >> >> > sun. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In >> > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka >> matlab >> > >>> > rashi >> > >>> >> > hai, >> > >>> >> >> >> > matlab >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai >> vaise >> > >> hee >> > >>> >> > mangal >> > >>> >> >> > jab >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga (nek >> > >> mayno >> > >>> >> > mein) >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In >> > >>> > , " varun_trvd " >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the 9th >> > >> house, >> > >>> > a >> > >>> >> > house >> > >>> >> >> > of >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the context >> of >> > >>> >> > Palmistry. >> > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of Jupiter [ >> mount >> > >>> > of >> > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would mean : >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result in >> as if >> > >>> > the >> > >>> >> > sun of >> > >>> >> >> >> > shubh >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of >> Jupiter. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In >> > >> , " Umesh >> > >>> >> > Sharma " >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote: >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word which >> is >> > >>> > used in >> > >>> >> >> > Edition >> > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942 >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 Line >> No. >> > >> 17 " >> > >>> >> > Mangal >> > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka prakash >> > >> hoga " >> > >>> >> > Plz >> > >>> >> >> >> > explain of >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh. >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> -- >> > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> -- >> > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >> > >>> >> >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> > >>> -- >> > >>> Sent from my mobile device >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Aapko bura nahin manna chahiye aur na hi kisi ki niyat par shak karna chahiye kyonki Pt. Ji. ne 1952 ke Editon ke Pratham chapter ke no.7 main likha hey ki " Majmoon ki galati batane vala Madadgar Dost hoga " . Kisi bhi discution se jyan badta hi hey, so take it all positivally. It's my request. Thanks & Regards Umesh Sharma , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Mahajan ji, > > kya aap yeh batane ka kasht karenge ki 1952 edition me yeh > line kahan likhi hai. Aapne previous message me likha tha ki 1952 > edition me pt ji ne ise darust nahi kiya isliye ise aise hi man liya > jaye. Par mujhe to 1952 edition me line nahin mili. Mere vali copy me > nahi hai shayad aap wali me ho. Kripya book ka page no. Vgarah bata > den. Kripa hogi. > > Kulbir. > > > > > On 3/2/09, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54 wrote: > > > > Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee, > > > > Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH likha > > milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki jaise > > aap log keh rahein hai vaise. > > > > Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte hain > > to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se > > manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke pade > > na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye > > pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale > > eddition mein darust nahi karte. > > > > AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN > > TOLNE JAISEE HAI. > > > > Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine) > > bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh karta > > hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar aapko > > mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya unka > > jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat nahi to > > iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante hain,balki > > iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte > > hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf gyan > > badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain apne > > moonh miyan mithoo banana). > > > > Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?) > > > > Mahajan > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> Yes, that makes sense. > >> > >> Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to what > >> they think about this interpretation. > >> > >> Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !! > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , kulbir bance > >> kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Varun ji, > >> > > >> > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh > >> > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka hoga. Had > >> > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered meaningless. > >> > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. 2. > >> The > >> > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent. > >> > > >> > Regards. > >> > > >> > Kulbir. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain in > >> common > >> > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and punjab. > >> > > Regards. Kulbir. > >> > > > >> > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >> > >> > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery > >> used in > >> > >> the Lal Kitab. > >> > >> > >> > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial parlance > >> of > >> > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal mein > >> > >> mangal etc would fit in very well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Have a nice day, > >> > >> > >> > >> Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , kulbir bance > >> > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery, > >> > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come across > >> some > >> > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh have > >> to > >> > >> be > >> > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. And > >> it > >> > >> fits > >> > >>> in the flow of language in the para. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Regards. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Kulbir. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the phrase is > >> to > >> > >> be > >> > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning. > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Regards, > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > , kulbir bance > >> > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Varun ji, > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also > >> > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the same > >> > >>> > breath. > >> > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. Nau > >> hi > >> > >>> > grah > >> > >>> >> mangal gayein. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Regards. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Kulbir. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > I am afraid no. > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I > >> personally > >> > >>> > take > >> > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter] > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Regards, > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > , kulbir bance > >> > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the brakh > >> mean > >> > >>> >> > barkha to > >> > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as jangal > >> me > >> > >>> >> > mangal. > >> > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. > >> Respect and > >> > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir. > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji, > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is : > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh > > mein > >> > >> sooraj > >> > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ 1942 > > urdu > >> ed ; > >> > >>> >> > page > >> > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17] > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’; > > this means > >> > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says > > ‘bhagya ka > >> > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka > > sooraj > >> > >> brakh > >> > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a > >> metaphor and > >> > >>> > not > >> > >>> >> > as a > >> > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the > >> destiny > >> > >>> > will > >> > >>> >> > shine > >> > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the brakh > >> [ 2nd > >> > >>> >> > house]. > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ]. > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it can > >> not > >> > >> be > >> > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > >> therefore my > >> > >>> >> > opinion is > >> > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and > >> the sun > >> > >>> > of > >> > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the imagery > >> all > >> > >> the > >> > >>> >> > more > >> > >>> >> >> > powerful. > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being > >> > >>> > strengthened > >> > >>> >> > by Venus > >> > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter- > >> planetary > >> > >>> >> > relationship > >> > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the book. In > >> the > >> > >>> > book > >> > >>> >> > most of > >> > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to other > >> > >>> > planetary > >> > >>> >> >> > placements. > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be that of > >> > >>> > takraav > >> > >>> >> > [ 6-8 > >> > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean of > >> the > >> > >> 9th > >> > >>> > go > >> > >>> >> > and > >> > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and precipitate > >> in > >> > >> the > >> > >>> >> > 4th. > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> , " vishalastrologer " > >> > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana > >> > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre shukar se > >> > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9 > >> ghar ka > >> > >>> >> > shani shubh > >> > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak maine > >> > >> samjhne > >> > >>> > ki > >> > >>> >> >> > koshish > >> > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki mashooka > >> (YEH > >> > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL > >> > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat barata > >> > >>> > hai.aur > >> > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >>> >> >> > 9 > >> > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke > >> farmaan > >> > >>> > (1939) > >> > >>> >> > page > >> > >>> >> >> > no. > >> > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke > >> ghar(8) > >> > >>> > me > >> > >>> >> > hoga to > >> > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko jab > >> > >> suraj > >> > >>> >> > (lord > >> > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal > >> (hanumaan) to > >> > >>> > nek > >> > >>> >> > hi > >> > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh doosri > >> > >>> > example > >> > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai abi tak > >> > >>> > adhoora > >> > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA > >> CHAL KAR > >> > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR > >> > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE GI) > >> magar > >> > >>> > yahan > >> > >>> >> >> > chothe > >> > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori > >> samajh > >> > >> me > >> > >>> >> > aa rahi > >> > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho to > >> > >> please > >> > >>> >> > explain > >> > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum sabhi > >> ko ek > >> > >>> > baat > >> > >>> >> > yaad > >> > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan > >> bakhsha > >> > >>> > hai > >> > >>> >> > to > >> > >>> >> >> > itne > >> > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho sakta > >> hai jo > >> > >>> > baat > >> > >>> >> >> > doosro > >> > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this > >> world > >> > >>> >> > expect the > >> > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako to > >> > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN > >> > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE > >> SANATAN > >> > >>> >> > DHARAM KA > >> > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> with regards > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal > >> > >>> >> >> >> --- In > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the 9th > >> house > >> > >>> > will > >> > >>> >> > give > >> > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun placed > >> in the > >> > >>> > 2nd > >> > >>> >> > house > >> > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the book > >> > >> where > >> > >>> >> > the book > >> > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and not > >> the > >> > >>> >> > malefic ones? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Regards, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > --- In > >> > >> , " heartzthief54 " > >> > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal > >> rahe > >> > >>> > hain ki > >> > >>> >> >> > Mangal > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh > >> thaa ki > >> > >> jo > >> > >>> >> > khana no > >> > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 wale ko > >> > >>> > milenge > >> > >>> >> > (nek > >> > >>> >> >> >> > mayno > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi > >> halat ke > >> > >>> >> > phal nahi > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh > >> dekhna > >> > >>> > hoga > >> > >>> >> > ki > >> > >>> >> >> > suraj > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka phal > >> de > >> > >>> > raha > >> > >>> >> > hai ya > >> > >>> >> >> >> > nek > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat ka > >> phal > >> > >> de > >> > >>> >> > raha hai. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > agar > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh > >> sone pe > >> > >>> >> > suhaga wali > >> > >>> >> >> >> > baat > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se > >> mazboor ho > >> > >> ke > >> > >>> >> > bhee > >> > >>> >> >> >> > achhe > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata ya > >> unhe > >> > >>> > bhee > >> > >>> >> > neech > >> > >>> >> >> >> > kar > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat (nishaniya) > >> dekh > >> > >> kar > >> > >>> > hee > >> > >>> >> >> > bataya > >> > >>> >> >> >> > ja > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah par hai > >> > >> unko > >> > >>> >> > dekh kar > >> > >>> >> >> >> > hee > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap meri > >> baat > >> > >>> >> > samajh > >> > >>> >> >> > gaye > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > honge. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In > >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would love to > >> hear > >> > >>> >> > your views > >> > >>> >> >> >> > on > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > the > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house give > >> the > >> > >>> >> > results of > >> > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house and > >> at the > >> > >>> >> > same time > >> > >>> >> >> >> > the > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say > >> that the > >> > >>> >> > kundali > >> > >>> >> >> > will > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > have > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice > >> over? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in the 9th > >> > >> will > >> > >>> > be > >> > >>> >> > like > >> > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd house > >> Sun > >> > >>> >> > malefic, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > would it > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will also > >> turn > >> > >>> >> > malefic? or > >> > >>> >> >> >> > visa > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from other > >> > >>> > things, > >> > >>> >> > the > >> > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in > >> the 9th > >> > >>> >> > house > >> > >>> >> >> >> > signify > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things? > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd > >> house the > >> > >>> > Lal > >> > >>> >> > Kitab > >> > >>> >> >> >> > says : > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ] > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in > >> the 9th > >> > >>> >> > house is > >> > >>> >> >> >> > turned > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will > >> behave > >> > >>> > like > >> > >>> >> > the > >> > >>> >> >> > sun. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In > >> > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka > >> matlab > >> > >>> > rashi > >> > >>> >> > hai, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > matlab > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai > >> vaise > >> > >> hee > >> > >>> >> > mangal > >> > >>> >> >> > jab > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga (nek > >> > >> mayno > >> > >>> >> > mein) > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In > >> > >>> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the 9th > >> > >> house, > >> > >>> > a > >> > >>> >> > house > >> > >>> >> >> > of > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the context > >> of > >> > >>> >> > Palmistry. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of Jupiter [ > >> mount > >> > >>> > of > >> > >>> >> >> > jupiter]. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would mean : > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result in > >> as if > >> > >>> > the > >> > >>> >> > sun of > >> > >>> >> >> >> > shubh > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of > >> Jupiter. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards, > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In > >> > >> , " Umesh > >> > >>> >> > Sharma " > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word which > >> is > >> > >>> > used in > >> > >>> >> >> > Edition > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942 > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 Line > >> No. > >> > >> 17 " > >> > >>> >> > Mangal > >> > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka prakash > >> > >> hoga " > >> > >>> >> > Plz > >> > >>> >> >> >> > explain of > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh. > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> -- > >> > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > >>> >> >> > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> -- > >> > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> Sent from my mobile device > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > 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