Help : Attn Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji

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Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

Yes, that makes sense.

 

Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to what

they think about this interpretation.

 

Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

 

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kulbir bance

<kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Varun ji,

>

> the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh

> says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka hoga. Had

> brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered meaningless.

> Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. 2.

The

> context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.

>

> Regards.

>

> Kulbir.

>

>

>

>

On 2/28/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain in

common

> > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and punjab.

> > Regards. Kulbir.

> >

> > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >>

> >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery

used in

> >> the Lal Kitab.

> >>

> >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial parlance

of

> >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal mein

> >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> >>

> >> Have a nice day,

> >>

> >> Varun Trivedi

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> , kulbir bance

> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Respected Varun ji,

> >>>

> >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,

> >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come across

some

> >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh have

to

> >> be

> >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. And

it

> >> fits

> >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> >>>

> >>> Regards.

> >>>

> >>> Kulbir.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >>> >

> >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the phrase is

to

> >> be

> >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> >>> >

> >>> > Regards,

> >>> >

> >>> > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > , kulbir bance

> >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Varun ji,

> >>> >>

> >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also

> >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the same

> >>> > breath.

> >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. Nau

hi

> >>> > grah

> >>> >> mangal gayein.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Regards.

> >>> >>

> >>> >> Kulbir.

> >>> >>

> >>> >>

> >>> >>

> >>> >>

> >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I

personally

> >>> > take

> >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Regards,

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> > , kulbir bance

> >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >>> >> >>

> >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the brakh

mean

> >>> >> > barkha to

> >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as jangal

me

> >>> >> > mangal.

> >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.

Respect and

> >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> >>> >> >>

> >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh mein

> >> sooraj

> >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga† [ 1942 urdu

ed ;

> >>> >> > page

> >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’; this means

> >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says ‘bhagya ka

> >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka sooraj

> >> brakh

> >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a

metaphor and

> >>> > not

> >>> >> > as a

> >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the

destiny

> >>> > will

> >>> >> > shine

> >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the brakh

[ 2nd

> >>> >> > house].

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it can

not

> >> be

> >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd

therefore my

> >>> >> > opinion is

> >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and

the sun

> >>> > of

> >>> >> > mangal

> >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the imagery

all

> >> the

> >>> >> > more

> >>> >> >> > powerful.

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being

> >>> > strengthened

> >>> >> > by Venus

> >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-

planetary

> >>> >> > relationship

> >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the book. In

the

> >>> > book

> >>> >> > most of

> >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to other

> >>> > planetary

> >>> >> >> > placements.

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be that of

> >>> > takraav

> >>> >> > [ 6-8

> >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean of

the

> >> 9th

> >>> > go

> >>> >> > and

> >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and precipitate

in

> >> the

> >>> >> > 4th.

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > Regards,

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> > --- In

> >> , " vishalastrologer "

> >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre shukar se

> >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9

ghar ka

> >>> >> > shani shubh

> >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak maine

> >> samjhne

> >>> > ki

> >>> >> >> > koshish

> >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki mashooka

(YEH

> >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat barata

> >>> > hai.aur

> >>> >> > mangal

> >>> >> >> > 9

> >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke

farmaan

> >>> > (1939)

> >>> >> > page

> >>> >> >> > no.

> >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke

ghar(8)

> >>> > me

> >>> >> > hoga to

> >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko jab

> >> suraj

> >>> >> > (lord

> >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal

(hanumaan) to

> >>> > nek

> >>> >> > hi

> >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh doosri

> >>> > example

> >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai abi tak

> >>> > adhoora

> >>> >> > samajh

> >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA

CHAL KAR

> >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE GI)

magar

> >>> > yahan

> >>> >> >> > chothe

> >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori

samajh

> >> me

> >>> >> > aa rahi

> >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho to

> >> please

> >>> >> > explain

> >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum sabhi

ko ek

> >>> > baat

> >>> >> > yaad

> >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan

bakhsha

> >>> > hai

> >>> >> > to

> >>> >> >> > itne

> >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho sakta

hai jo

> >>> > baat

> >>> >> >> > doosro

> >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this

world

> >>> >> > expect the

> >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako to

> >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE

SANATAN

> >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> with regards

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> >>> >> >> >> --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the 9th

house

> >>> > will

> >>> >> > give

> >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun placed

in the

> >>> > 2nd

> >>> >> > house

> >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the book

> >> where

> >>> >> > the book

> >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and not

the

> >>> >> > malefic ones?

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> >> , " heartzthief54 "

> >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal

rahe

> >>> > hain ki

> >>> >> >> > Mangal

> >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh

thaa ki

> >> jo

> >>> >> > khana no

> >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 wale ko

> >>> > milenge

> >>> >> > (nek

> >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi

halat ke

> >>> >> > phal nahi

> >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh

dekhna

> >>> > hoga

> >>> >> > ki

> >>> >> >> > suraj

> >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka phal

de

> >>> > raha

> >>> >> > hai ya

> >>> >> >> >> > nek

> >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat ka

phal

> >> de

> >>> >> > raha hai.

> >>> >> >> >> > agar

> >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh

sone pe

> >>> >> > suhaga wali

> >>> >> >> >> > baat

> >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se

mazboor ho

> >> ke

> >>> >> > bhee

> >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata ya

unhe

> >>> > bhee

> >>> >> > neech

> >>> >> >> >> > kar

> >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya)

dekh

> >> kar

> >>> > hee

> >>> >> >> > bataya

> >>> >> >> >> > ja

> >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah par hai

> >> unko

> >>> >> > dekh kar

> >>> >> >> >> > hee

> >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap meri

baat

> >>> >> > samajh

> >>> >> >> > gaye

> >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> >> , " varun_trvd "

> >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would love to

hear

> >>> >> > your views

> >>> >> >> >> > on

> >>> >> >> >> > > the

> >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house give

the

> >>> >> > results of

> >>> >> >> >> > the

> >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house and

at the

> >>> >> > same time

> >>> >> >> >> > the

> >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say

that the

> >>> >> > kundali

> >>> >> >> > will

> >>> >> >> >> > > have

> >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice

over?

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in the 9th

> >> will

> >>> > be

> >>> >> > like

> >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd house

Sun

> >>> >> > malefic,

> >>> >> >> >> > would it

> >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will also

turn

> >>> >> > malefic? or

> >>> >> >> >> > visa

> >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from other

> >>> > things,

> >>> >> > the

> >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in

the 9th

> >>> >> > house

> >>> >> >> >> > signify

> >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd

house the

> >>> > Lal

> >>> >> > Kitab

> >>> >> >> >> > says :

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho

> >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in

the 9th

> >>> >> > house is

> >>> >> >> >> > turned

> >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will

behave

> >>> > like

> >>> >> > the

> >>> >> >> > sun.

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 "

> >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka

matlab

> >>> > rashi

> >>> >> > hai,

> >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai

vaise

> >> hee

> >>> >> > mangal

> >>> >> >> > jab

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga (nek

> >> mayno

> >>> >> > mein)

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> >>> > , " varun_trvd "

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the 9th

> >> house,

> >>> > a

> >>> >> > house

> >>> >> >> > of

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the context

of

> >>> >> > Palmistry.

> >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of Jupiter [

mount

> >>> > of

> >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would mean :

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result in

as if

> >>> > the

> >>> >> > sun of

> >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of

Jupiter.

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> >> , " Umesh

> >>> >> > Sharma "

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word which

is

> >>> > used in

> >>> >> >> > Edition

> >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 Line

No.

> >> 17 "

> >>> >> > Mangal

> >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka prakash

> >> hoga "

> >>> >> > Plz

> >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > > >

> >>> >> >> >> > >

> >>> >> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >>

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >> >

> >>> >> >>

> >>> >> >> --

> >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

> >>> >> >>

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >> >

> >>> >>

> >>> >> --

> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

> >>> >>

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>>

> >>> --

> >>> Sent from my mobile device

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> > --

> > Sent from my mobile device

> >

>

> --

> Sent from my mobile device

>

[Guest guest]

Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH likha milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki jaise aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte hain to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke pade na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale eddition mein darust nahi karte.

AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine) bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh karta hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar aapko mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya unka jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat nahi to iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante hain,balki iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf gyan badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain apne moonh miyan mithoo banana).

Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)

Mahajan , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > Yes, that makes sense.> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to what > they think about this interpretation.> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!> > > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Varun ji,> > > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh> > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka hoga. Had> > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered meaningless.> > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. 2. > The> > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.> > > > Regards.> > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain in > common> > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and punjab.> > > Regards. Kulbir.> > >> > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >>> > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery > used in> > >> the Lal Kitab.> > >>> > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial parlance > of> > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal mein> > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.> > >>> > >> Have a nice day,> > >>> > >> Varun Trivedi> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> , kulbir bance> > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Respected Varun ji,> > >>>> > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,> > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come across > some> > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh have > to> > >> be> > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. And > it> > >> fits> > >>> in the flow of language in the para.> > >>>> > >>> Regards.> > >>>> > >>> Kulbir.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >>> >> > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the phrase is > to> > >> be> > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.> > >>> >> > >>> > Regards,> > >>> >> > >>> > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > , kulbir bance> > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >>> >>> > >>> >> Varun ji,> > >>> >>> > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also> > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the same> > >>> > breath.> > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. Nau > hi> > >>> > grah> > >>> >> mangal gayein.> > >>> >>> > >>> >> Regards.> > >>> >>> > >>> >> Kulbir.> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > I am afraid no.> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I > personally> > >>> > take> > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > Regards,> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > , kulbir bance> > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the brakh > mean> > >>> >> > barkha to> > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as jangal > me> > >>> >> > mangal.> > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also. > Respect and> > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh mein> > >> sooraj> > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga†[ 1942 urdu > ed ;> > >>> >> > page> > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’; this means> > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says ‘bhagya ka> > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka sooraj> > >> brakh> > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a > metaphor and> > >>> > not> > >>> >> > as a> > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the > destiny> > >>> > will> > >>> >> > shine> > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the brakh > [ 2nd> > >>> >> > house].> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it can > not> > >> be> > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd > therefore my> > >>> >> > opinion is> > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and > the sun> > >>> > of> > >>> >> > mangal> > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the imagery > all> > >> the> > >>> >> > more> > >>> >> >> > powerful.> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being> > >>> > strengthened> > >>> >> > by Venus> > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-> planetary> > >>> >> > relationship> > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the book. In > the> > >>> > book> > >>> >> > most of> > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to other> > >>> > planetary> > >>> >> >> > placements.> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be that of> > >>> > takraav> > >>> >> > [ 6-8> > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean of > the> > >> 9th> > >>> > go> > >>> >> > and> > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and precipitate > in> > >> the> > >>> >> > 4th.> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Regards,> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > --- In> > >> , "vishalastrologer"> > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana> > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre shukar se> > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9 > ghar ka> > >>> >> > shani shubh> > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak maine> > >> samjhne> > >>> > ki> > >>> >> >> > koshish> > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki mashooka> (YEH> > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL> > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat barata> > >>> > hai.aur> > >>> >> > mangal> > >>> >> >> > 9> > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke > farmaan> > >>> > (1939)> > >>> >> > page> > >>> >> >> > no.> > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke > ghar(8)> > >>> > me> > >>> >> > hoga to> > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko jab> > >> suraj> > >>> >> > (lord> > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal > (hanumaan) to> > >>> > nek> > >>> >> > hi> > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh doosri> > >>> > example> > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai abi tak> > >>> > adhoora> > >>> >> > samajh> > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA > CHAL KAR> > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR> > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE GI) > magar> > >>> > yahan> > >>> >> >> > chothe> > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori > samajh> > >> me> > >>> >> > aa rahi> > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho to> > >> please> > >>> >> > explain> > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum sabhi > ko ek> > >>> > baat> > >>> >> > yaad> > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan > bakhsha> > >>> > hai> > >>> >> > to> > >>> >> >> > itne> > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho sakta > hai jo> > >>> > baat> > >>> >> >> > doosro> > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this > world> > >>> >> > expect the> > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako to> > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN> > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE > SANATAN> > >>> >> > DHARAM KA> > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> with regards> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal> > >>> >> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the 9th > house> > >>> > will> > >>> >> > give> > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun placed > in the> > >>> > 2nd> > >>> >> > house> > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the book> > >> where> > >>> >> > the book> > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and not > the> > >>> >> > malefic ones?> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > --- In> > >> , "heartzthief54"> > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal > rahe> > >>> > hain ki> > >>> >> >> > Mangal> > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh > thaa ki> > >> jo> > >>> >> > khana no> > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke> > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 wale ko> > >>> > milenge> > >>> >> > (nek> > >>> >> >> >> > mayno> > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi > halat ke> > >>> >> > phal nahi> > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh > dekhna> > >>> > hoga> > >>> >> > ki> > >>> >> >> > suraj> > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka phal > de> > >>> > raha> > >>> >> > hai ya> > >>> >> >> >> > nek> > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat ka > phal> > >> de> > >>> >> > raha hai.> > >>> >> >> >> > agar> > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh > sone pe> > >>> >> > suhaga wali> > >>> >> >> >> > baat> > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se > mazboor ho> > >> ke> > >>> >> > bhee> > >>> >> >> >> > achhe> > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata ya > unhe> > >>> > bhee> > >>> >> > neech> > >>> >> >> >> > kar> > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya) > dekh> > >> kar> > >>> > hee> > >>> >> >> > bataya> > >>> >> >> >> > ja> > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah par hai> > >> unko> > >>> >> > dekh kar> > >>> >> >> >> > hee> > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap meri > baat> > >>> >> > samajh> > >>> >> >> > gaye> > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In> > >> , "varun_trvd"> > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would love to > hear> > >>> >> > your views> > >>> >> >> >> > on> > >>> >> >> >> > > the> > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house give > the> > >>> >> > results of> > >>> >> >> >> > the> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house and > at the> > >>> >> > same time> > >>> >> >> >> > the> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun> > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say > that the> > >>> >> > kundali> > >>> >> >> > will> > >>> >> >> >> > > have> > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice > over?> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in the 9th> > >> will> > >>> > be> > >>> >> > like> > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd house > Sun> > >>> >> > malefic,> > >>> >> >> >> > would it> > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will also > turn> > >>> >> > malefic? or> > >>> >> >> >> > visa> > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from other> > >>> > things,> > >>> >> > the> > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in > the 9th> > >>> >> > house> > >>> >> >> >> > signify> > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd > house the> > >>> > Lal> > >>> >> > Kitab> > >>> >> >> >> > says :> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho> > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in > the 9th> > >>> >> > house is> > >>> >> >> >> > turned> > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will > behave> > >>> > like> > >>> >> > the> > >>> >> >> > sun.> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In> > >>> >> > , "heartzthief54"> > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka > matlab> > >>> > rashi> > >>> >> > hai,> > >>> >> >> >> > matlab> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai > vaise> > >> hee> > >>> >> > mangal> > >>> >> >> > jab> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga (nek> > >> mayno> > >>> >> > mein)> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In> > >>> > , "varun_trvd"> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the 9th> > >> house,> > >>> > a> > >>> >> > house> > >>> >> >> > of> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the context > of> > >>> >> > Palmistry.> > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of Jupiter [ > mount> > >>> > of> > >>> >> >> > jupiter].> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would mean :> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result in > as if> > >>> > the> > >>> >> > sun of> > >>> >> >> >> > shubh> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of > Jupiter.> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In> > >> , "Umesh> > >>> >> > Sharma"> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word which > is> > >>> > used in> > >>> >> >> > Edition> > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 Line > No.> > >> 17 "> > >>> >> > Mangal> > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka prakash> > >> hoga"> > >>> >> > Plz> > >>> >> >> >> > explain of> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > > >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> --> > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >>> > >>> >> --> > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>> > >>> --> > >>> Sent from my mobile device> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > --> > > Sent from my mobile device> > >> > > > --> > Sent from my mobile device> >>

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Respected mahajan ji,

 

the motive of the group is to make a collective

effort to understand lalkitab better. To aapki rai se kissi ko bura

lagega aisa mat socho. Ho sakta hai ki aap ki baat hi sahi ho. The

only request is that if u could kindly help in understanding as to why

taurus has been specifically mentioned here after the rider that

wherever the sun be placed it will be of uch phal.

 

Regards.

 

Kulbir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 3/2/09, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54 wrote:

>

> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

>

> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH likha

> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki jaise

> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

>

> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte hain

> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se

> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke pade

> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye

> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale

> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

>

> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN

> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

>

> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine)

> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh karta

> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar aapko

> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya unka

> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat nahi to

> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante hain,balki

> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte

> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf gyan

> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain apne

> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

>

> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)

>

> Mahajan

> , " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd wrote:

>>

>> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>>

>> Yes, that makes sense.

>>

>> Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to what

>> they think about this interpretation.

>>

>> Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Varun Trivedi

>>

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>> , kulbir bance

>> kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> >

>> > Varun ji,

>> >

>> > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh

>> > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka hoga. Had

>> > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered meaningless.

>> > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no. 2.

>> The

>> > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.

>> >

>> > Regards.

>> >

>> > Kulbir.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain in

>> common

>> > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and punjab.

>> > > Regards. Kulbir.

>> > >

>> > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > >>

>> > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery

>> used in

>> > >> the Lal Kitab.

>> > >>

>> > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial parlance

>> of

>> > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal mein

>> > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

>> > >>

>> > >> Have a nice day,

>> > >>

>> > >> Varun Trivedi

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> , kulbir bance

>> > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Respected Varun ji,

>> > >>>

>> > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,

>> > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come across

>> some

>> > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh have

>> to

>> > >> be

>> > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha. And

>> it

>> > >> fits

>> > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Regards.

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Kulbir.

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the phrase is

>> to

>> > >> be

>> > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> > Regards,

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> > , kulbir bance

>> > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> Varun ji,

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also

>> > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the same

>> > >>> > breath.

>> > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges. Nau

>> hi

>> > >>> > grah

>> > >>> >> mangal gayein.

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> Regards.

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> Kulbir.

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I

>> personally

>> > >>> > take

>> > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> > Regards,

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> > , kulbir bance

>> > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the brakh

>> mean

>> > >>> >> > barkha to

>> > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as jangal

>> me

>> > >>> >> > mangal.

>> > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.

>> Respect and

>> > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

>> > >>> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh

> mein

>> > >> sooraj

>> > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ 1942

> urdu

>> ed ;

>> > >>> >> > page

>> > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’;

> this means

>> > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says

> ‘bhagya ka

>> > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka

> sooraj

>> > >> brakh

>> > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a

>> metaphor and

>> > >>> > not

>> > >>> >> > as a

>> > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the

>> destiny

>> > >>> > will

>> > >>> >> > shine

>> > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the brakh

>> [ 2nd

>> > >>> >> > house].

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it can

>> not

>> > >> be

>> > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd

>> therefore my

>> > >>> >> > opinion is

>> > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and

>> the sun

>> > >>> > of

>> > >>> >> > mangal

>> > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the imagery

>> all

>> > >> the

>> > >>> >> > more

>> > >>> >> >> > powerful.

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being

>> > >>> > strengthened

>> > >>> >> > by Venus

>> > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-

>> planetary

>> > >>> >> > relationship

>> > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the book. In

>> the

>> > >>> > book

>> > >>> >> > most of

>> > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to other

>> > >>> > planetary

>> > >>> >> >> > placements.

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be that of

>> > >>> > takraav

>> > >>> >> > [ 6-8

>> > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean of

>> the

>> > >> 9th

>> > >>> > go

>> > >>> >> > and

>> > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and precipitate

>> in

>> > >> the

>> > >>> >> > 4th.

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > Regards,

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> > --- In

>> > >> , " vishalastrologer "

>> > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

>> > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre shukar se

>> > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9

>> ghar ka

>> > >>> >> > shani shubh

>> > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak maine

>> > >> samjhne

>> > >>> > ki

>> > >>> >> >> > koshish

>> > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki mashooka

>> (YEH

>> > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

>> > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat barata

>> > >>> > hai.aur

>> > >>> >> > mangal

>> > >>> >> >> > 9

>> > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke

>> farmaan

>> > >>> > (1939)

>> > >>> >> > page

>> > >>> >> >> > no.

>> > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke

>> ghar(8)

>> > >>> > me

>> > >>> >> > hoga to

>> > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko jab

>> > >> suraj

>> > >>> >> > (lord

>> > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal

>> (hanumaan) to

>> > >>> > nek

>> > >>> >> > hi

>> > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh doosri

>> > >>> > example

>> > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai abi tak

>> > >>> > adhoora

>> > >>> >> > samajh

>> > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA

>> CHAL KAR

>> > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

>> > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE GI)

>> magar

>> > >>> > yahan

>> > >>> >> >> > chothe

>> > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori

>> samajh

>> > >> me

>> > >>> >> > aa rahi

>> > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho to

>> > >> please

>> > >>> >> > explain

>> > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum sabhi

>> ko ek

>> > >>> > baat

>> > >>> >> > yaad

>> > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan

>> bakhsha

>> > >>> > hai

>> > >>> >> > to

>> > >>> >> >> > itne

>> > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho sakta

>> hai jo

>> > >>> > baat

>> > >>> >> >> > doosro

>> > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this

>> world

>> > >>> >> > expect the

>> > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako to

>> > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

>> > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE

>> SANATAN

>> > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

>> > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> with regards

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

>> > >>> >> >> >> --- In

>> , " varun_trvd "

>> > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the 9th

>> house

>> > >>> > will

>> > >>> >> > give

>> > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun placed

>> in the

>> > >>> > 2nd

>> > >>> >> > house

>> > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the book

>> > >> where

>> > >>> >> > the book

>> > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and not

>> the

>> > >>> >> > malefic ones?

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

>> > >> , " heartzthief54 "

>> > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal

>> rahe

>> > >>> > hain ki

>> > >>> >> >> > Mangal

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh

>> thaa ki

>> > >> jo

>> > >>> >> > khana no

>> > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9 wale ko

>> > >>> > milenge

>> > >>> >> > (nek

>> > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi

>> halat ke

>> > >>> >> > phal nahi

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh

>> dekhna

>> > >>> > hoga

>> > >>> >> > ki

>> > >>> >> >> > suraj

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka phal

>> de

>> > >>> > raha

>> > >>> >> > hai ya

>> > >>> >> >> >> > nek

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat ka

>> phal

>> > >> de

>> > >>> >> > raha hai.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > agar

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh

>> sone pe

>> > >>> >> > suhaga wali

>> > >>> >> >> >> > baat

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se

>> mazboor ho

>> > >> ke

>> > >>> >> > bhee

>> > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata ya

>> unhe

>> > >>> > bhee

>> > >>> >> > neech

>> > >>> >> >> >> > kar

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya)

>> dekh

>> > >> kar

>> > >>> > hee

>> > >>> >> >> > bataya

>> > >>> >> >> >> > ja

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah par hai

>> > >> unko

>> > >>> >> > dekh kar

>> > >>> >> >> >> > hee

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap meri

>> baat

>> > >>> >> > samajh

>> > >>> >> >> > gaye

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

>> > >> , " varun_trvd "

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would love to

>> hear

>> > >>> >> > your views

>> > >>> >> >> >> > on

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > the

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house give

>> the

>> > >>> >> > results of

>> > >>> >> >> >> > the

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house and

>> at the

>> > >>> >> > same time

>> > >>> >> >> >> > the

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say

>> that the

>> > >>> >> > kundali

>> > >>> >> >> > will

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > have

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice

>> over?

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in the 9th

>> > >> will

>> > >>> > be

>> > >>> >> > like

>> > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd house

>> Sun

>> > >>> >> > malefic,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > would it

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will also

>> turn

>> > >>> >> > malefic? or

>> > >>> >> >> >> > visa

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from other

>> > >>> > things,

>> > >>> >> > the

>> > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in

>> the 9th

>> > >>> >> > house

>> > >>> >> >> >> > signify

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd

>> house the

>> > >>> > Lal

>> > >>> >> > Kitab

>> > >>> >> >> >> > says :

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in

>> the 9th

>> > >>> >> > house is

>> > >>> >> >> >> > turned

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will

>> behave

>> > >>> > like

>> > >>> >> > the

>> > >>> >> >> > sun.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

>> > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 "

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka

>> matlab

>> > >>> > rashi

>> > >>> >> > hai,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai

>> vaise

>> > >> hee

>> > >>> >> > mangal

>> > >>> >> >> > jab

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga (nek

>> > >> mayno

>> > >>> >> > mein)

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

>> > >>> > , " varun_trvd "

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the 9th

>> > >> house,

>> > >>> > a

>> > >>> >> > house

>> > >>> >> >> > of

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the context

>> of

>> > >>> >> > Palmistry.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of Jupiter [

>> mount

>> > >>> > of

>> > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would mean :

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result in

>> as if

>> > >>> > the

>> > >>> >> > sun of

>> > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of

>> Jupiter.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

>> > >> , " Umesh

>> > >>> >> > Sharma "

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word which

>> is

>> > >>> > used in

>> > >>> >> >> > Edition

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168 Line

>> No.

>> > >> 17 "

>> > >>> >> > Mangal

>> > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka prakash

>> > >> hoga "

>> > >>> >> > Plz

>> > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >

>> > >>> >> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >> >

>> > >>> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >> --

>> > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

>> > >>> >> >>

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >> >

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >> --

>> > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

>> > >>> >>

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

>> > >>>

>> > >>> --

>> > >>> Sent from my mobile device

>> > >>>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > > Sent from my mobile device

>> > >

>> >

>> > --

>> > Sent from my mobile device

>> >

>>

>

>

>

 

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Respected Mahajan ji,

 

What Kulbir ji is trying to do is to look for alternative

possibilities. Looking for other 'sambhavana' should not be taken as

finding fault with the book.

 

An open mind will always look for other possibilities and evaluate

them. On finding them as not plausible he may later on discard them.

But the exercise per se is a valid scientific exercise and we should

not discourage it.

 

With respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " heartzthief54 "

<heartzthief54 wrote:

>

>

> Vaun Jee & Kulbir Jee,

>

> Lal Kitab agar aap dhayan se pade to aapko bahut jagah par BRAKH

likha

> milega,jo ki rashi ke sandrabh mein hee use kiya gaya hai na ki

jaise

> aap log keh rahein hai vaise.

>

> Agar hum LAL KITAB ke upasak hain ya duniya ka bhala karna chahte

hain

> to LAL KITAB mein jo likha hai usko samjhe na ki apni taraf se

> manghadant batein ya arth banaye. LAL KITAB ko LAL KITAB samajh ke

pade

> na ki usmein galti dhonndne ke liye ya galtiyan nikalne ke liye

> pade.Agar aisa hee hota to kya Pandit Jee iske liye bhee 1952 wale

> eddition mein darust nahi karte.

>

> AAP LOG JO KOSHISH KAR RAHEIN HAI WOH MAINDAKO (FROG) KO TARAZU MEIN

> TOLNE JAISEE HAI.

>

> Aur mein aapki baaton se 1% (yeh bhee shayad zyada likha hai maine)

> bhee sehmat nahi hoon.Iss liye mein iss topic ko yehi par bandh

karta

> hoon , jiske liye mein aapse mafi bhee mangta hoon. Aapke vichar

aapko

> mubarik. Umesh Jee iss baare mein kya sochte hain yeh wohi jane ya

unka

> jawab aane par pata chalega.Agar mein ya aap ek dusre se sehmat

nahi to

> iska matlab yeh nahi ki mein ya aap ek dusre se zyada jante

hain,balki

> iska matlab apni apni soch ya samajh hai aap log LAL KITAB ko padte

> hain sirf galti nikalanae ke liye aur mein padta hoon sirf or sirf

gyan

> badane ke liye ya dusroo ka bhala karne ke liye (Isko kehte hain

apne

> moonh miyan mithoo banana).

>

> Kadwi baat ke liye mafi chahta hoon ( agar aapko lagi ho to ?)

>

> Mahajan

> , " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> > Yes, that makes sense.

> >

> > Let us listen to Pt. Umesh Sharma ji and Mahajan ji also as to

what

> > they think about this interpretation.

> >

> > Pt. Umesh ji and Mahajan ji please !!

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , kulbir bance

> > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Varun ji,

> > >

> > > the preceeding line before the line containing word brakh

> > > says kundali me sooraj ab kahani bhi baitha ho uch phal ka

hoga. Had

> > > brakh not meant barkha this line is would be rendered

meaningless.

> > > Bcoz why should sun be restricted to be in taurus or khanna no.

2.

> > The

> > > context as whole makes barkha all the more relevent.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > > Kulbir.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/28/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > Varun ji, to be precise barkha is used to denote varsha rain

in

> > common

> > > > parlance in the border belt joining himachal pradesh and

punjab.

> > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > >

> > > > On 2/28/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >>

> > > >> You are absolutely right about the metaphors and the imagery

> > used in

> > > >> the Lal Kitab.

> > > >>

> > > >> If brakh or brakha are used for rain in the colloquial

parlance

> > of

> > > >> Punjab, then the imagery of the rising sun, rainbow, jangal

mein

> > > >> mangal etc would fit in very well.

> > > >>

> > > >> Have a nice day,

> > > >>

> > > >> Varun Trivedi

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> , kulbir bance

> > > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Respected Varun ji,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> the book time and again uses metaphors, imagery,

> > > >>> symbolism extensively. Plus in recent past we have come

across

> > some

> > > >>> spelling mistakes also. Therefore neither jungle nor brakh

have

> > to

> > > >> be

> > > >>> taken in literal sense. Brakh could very much mean brakha.

And

> > it

> > > >> fits

> > > >>> in the flow of language in the para.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Regards.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Kulbir.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Yes you will be right if the literal meaning of the

phrase is

> > to

> > > >> be

> > > >>> > taken instead of metaphorical meaning.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Regards,

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > , kulbir bance

> > > >>> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> Varun ji,

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> if u go by the literal sense then jungle should also

> > > >>> >> represent house no 9. U cannot blow hot and cold in the

same

> > > >>> > breath.

> > > >>> >> What happens when sun shines in rain, a rainbow emerges.

Nau

> > hi

> > > >>> > grah

> > > >>> >> mangal gayein.

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> Regards.

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> Kulbir.

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> > I am afraid no.

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> > Brakh in this context means the 2nd house, [which I

> > personally

> > > >>> > take

> > > >>> >> > it to mean the burz of Jupiter]

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> > Regards,

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> > , kulbir

bance

> > > >>> >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> Varun ji, talking of metaphor and imagery can the

brakh

> > mean

> > > >>> >> > barkha to

> > > >>> >> >> say sun will shine in rain. It has same meaning as

jangal

> > me

> > > >>> >> > mangal.

> > > >>> >> >> Umesh ji and mahajan ji kindly give ur views also.

> > Respect and

> > > >>> >> >> regards. Kulbir.

> > > >>> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> On 2/27/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > Respected Vishal ji,

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > The exact quote under discussion is :

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > “ jangal mein mangal kiye, ya mangal nek ka brakh

> mein

> > > >> sooraj

> > > >>> >> >> > nikala . ki tarah kismet ka prakash hoga�� [ 1942

> urdu

> > ed ;

> > > >>> >> > page

> > > >>> >> >> > 168 line 17]

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > In the above sentence note the word ‘ka’;

> this means

> > > >>> >> >> > mangal nek ka sooraj like if some one says

> ‘bhagya ka

> > > >>> >> >> > sooraj’. Hence it can be read as 'mangal nek ka

> sooraj

> > > >> brakh

> > > >>> >> >> > mein nikala'. Here the word sooraj is used as a

> > metaphor and

> > > >>> > not

> > > >>> >> > as a

> > > >>> >> >> > planet Sun. Therefore the line would mean that the

> > destiny

> > > >>> > will

> > > >>> >> > shine

> > > >>> >> >> > as if the sun of the mangal nek has risen in the

brakh

> > [ 2nd

> > > >>> >> > house].

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > Now the question is why brakh [ 2nd house ].

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > Since the mars is already placed in the 9th, and it

can

> > not

> > > >> be

> > > >>> >> >> > simultaneously assumed to be placed in the 2nd

> > therefore my

> > > >>> >> > opinion is

> > > >>> >> >> > that since the 2nd house is the burz of Jupiter, and

> > the sun

> > > >>> > of

> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > >>> >> >> > nek shining on the mount of Jupiter makes the

imagery

> > all

> > > >> the

> > > >>> >> > more

> > > >>> >> >> > powerful.

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > The example you have given of Saturn 9th and being

> > > >>> > strengthened

> > > >>> >> > by Venus

> > > >>> >> >> > in the 2nd is a very good example. This is inter-

> > planetary

> > > >>> >> > relationship

> > > >>> >> >> > which has been talked about through out in the

book. In

> > the

> > > >>> > book

> > > >>> >> > most of

> > > >>> >> >> > the results for planets are given in relation to

other

> > > >>> > planetary

> > > >>> >> >> > placements.

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > The relationship of the 2nd and the 9th would be

that of

> > > >>> > takraav

> > > >>> >> > [ 6-8

> > > >>> >> >> > relationship ]. No wonder the winds from the ocean

of

> > the

> > > >> 9th

> > > >>> > go

> > > >>> >> > and

> > > >>> >> >> > strike against the mountain in the 2nd and

precipitate

> > in

> > > >> the

> > > >>> >> > 4th.

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > Regards,

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> > --- In

> > > >> , " vishalastrologer "

> > > >>> >> >> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> Respected Varun ji,

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> isi tarah ki example shani khana

> > > >>> >> >> >> number 9 ki hai.

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> SHANI BAITHA JAB UTTAM TEWE ,SHUKAR ASAR 2 DETA HO

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> SHUKAR MAGAR JAB AAYA DUJE ,SHANI GUNA 9 HOTA HO

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> main nahi jaanta ki 9 ghar ke shani ka dusre

shukar se

> > > >>> >> >> >> kya sambandh hai.magar lal kitab me jikar hai ki 9

> > ghar ka

> > > >>> >> > shani shubh

> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga yadi dusre ghar me shukar ho to jahan tak

maine

> > > >> samjhne

> > > >>> > ki

> > > >>> >> >> > koshish

> > > >>> >> >> >> ki hai shani 9 ke samay shukar jo ki shani ki

mashooka

> > (YEH

> > > >>> >> > SHABAD LAL

> > > >>> >> >> >> KITAB SE HI LIYA GYA HAI) hai yani sani ki takat

barata

> > > >>> > hai.aur

> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > >>> >> >> > 9

> > > >>> >> >> >> ke samay suraj , mangal ka dost hai.lal kitab ke

> > farmaan

> > > >>> > (1939)

> > > >>> >> > page

> > > >>> >> >> > no.

> > > >>> >> >> >> 276 par jikar aata hai ki yadi suraj,mangal badh ke

> > ghar(8)

> > > >>> > me

> > > >>> >> > hoga to

> > > >>> >> >> >> mangal badh ko mangal nek hi manege.yani mangal ko

jab

> > > >> suraj

> > > >>> >> > (lord

> > > >>> >> >> >> vishnu's ram avtaar) ka saath hoga to mangal

> > (hanumaan) to

> > > >>> > nek

> > > >>> >> > hi

> > > >>> >> >> >> hoga.is tarah 9th ghar ka 2nd se sambhand ki yeh

doosri

> > > >>> > example

> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.magar 9th ka dusre ghar se kya sambhand hai

abi tak

> > > >>> > adhoora

> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > >>> >> >> >> me aaya hai jaise ki (9TH GHAR KE SAMUNDAR SE HAWA

> > CHAL KAR

> > > >>> >> > DUSRE GHAR

> > > >>> >> >> >> KE PAHAR SE TAKRA KAR CHOTHE GHAR ME WARSHA KARE

GI)

> > magar

> > > >>> > yahan

> > > >>> >> >> > chothe

> > > >>> >> >> >> ghar ka jikar nahi aa raha.is liye yeh baat adhoori

> > samajh

> > > >> me

> > > >>> >> > aa rahi

> > > >>> >> >> >> hai.yadi kisi ko is baat ka logic proper maloom ho

to

> > > >> please

> > > >>> >> > explain

> > > >>> >> >> >> kare.pooran gyani to kewal prmatma hai.bus hum

sabhi

> > ko ek

> > > >>> > baat

> > > >>> >> > yaad

> > > >>> >> >> >> rakhni hogi ki yadi hamey parmatma ne thoda sa gyan

> > bakhsha

> > > >>> > hai

> > > >>> >> > to

> > > >>> >> >> > itne

> > > >>> >> >> >> ghamandi na bane ki doosro ko nicha dikhaye.ho

sakta

> > hai jo

> > > >>> > baat

> > > >>> >> >> > doosro

> > > >>> >> >> >> ko pata ho wo hamey na ho.no body is master in this

> > world

> > > >>> >> > expect the

> > > >>> >> >> >> creator of this world.so never test anyone,ho sako

to

> > > >>> >> > banto.VIDYA DAAN

> > > >>> >> >> >> MAHA DAAN.VARUN JI AAP JO GYAN BANT RAHE HAI APNE

> > SANATAN

> > > >>> >> > DHARAM KA

> > > >>> >> >> >> PAALAN AUR PUNYA DONO KAAM KAR RAHE HAI.

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> with regards

> > > >>> >> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> >> kunwar vishal

> > > >>> >> >> >> --- In

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > >>> >> >> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Do you mean to say that the Mars placed in the

9th

> > house

> > > >>> > will

> > > >>> >> > give

> > > >>> >> >> >> > only the benefic [ nek ] results of the sun

placed

> > in the

> > > >>> > 2nd

> > > >>> >> > house

> > > >>> >> >> >> > and not its malefic results?

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give any other similar example from the

book

> > > >> where

> > > >>> >> > the book

> > > >>> >> >> >> > says that only benefic results will accrue and

not

> > the

> > > >>> >> > malefic ones?

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Regards,

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > --- In

> > > >> , " heartzthief54 "

> > > >>> >> >> >> > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Varun Jee,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Mere kehne ka woh matlab nahi thaa jo aap nikal

> > rahe

> > > >>> > hain ki

> > > >>> >> >> > Mangal

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > khana no 9 mein suraj 2 ka asar dega.balki yeh

> > thaa ki

> > > >> jo

> > > >>> >> > khana no

> > > >>> >> >> >> > 2 ke

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > suraj ke achhe phal hain vaise hee mangal 9

wale ko

> > > >>> > milenge

> > > >>> >> > (nek

> > > >>> >> >> >> > mayno

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > mein ) yahan maine kahin bhee suraj 2 ke mandi

> > halat ke

> > > >>> >> > phal nahi

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > likhe.aur jab suraj khana no 2 mein hoga to yeh

> > dekhna

> > > >>> > hoga

> > > >>> >> > ki

> > > >>> >> >> > suraj

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > kaisa phal de raha hai . Suraj mandi halat ka

phal

> > de

> > > >>> > raha

> > > >>> >> > hai ya

> > > >>> >> >> >> > nek

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > halat ka, ya khana no 9 mein mangal kis halat

ka

> > phal

> > > >> de

> > > >>> >> > raha hai.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > agar

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > dono hee nek halat ke phal de rahe hain to yeh

> > sone pe

> > > >>> >> > suhaga wali

> > > >>> >> >> >> > baat

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > hai.. kyonki kai baar insan apni aadaton se

> > mazboor ho

> > > >> ke

> > > >>> >> > bhee

> > > >>> >> >> >> > achhe

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > (unch) graho ka phal bhee prapat nahi kar pata

ya

> > unhe

> > > >>> > bhee

> > > >>> >> > neech

> > > >>> >> >> >> > kar

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > leta hai. yeh sab to jatak kee halat(nishaniya)

> > dekh

> > > >> kar

> > > >>> > hee

> > > >>> >> >> > bataya

> > > >>> >> >> >> > ja

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > sakta hai ya kundli mein aur grah kis jagah

par hai

> > > >> unko

> > > >>> >> > dekh kar

> > > >>> >> >> >> > hee

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > poore halaat bataye ja sakte. Asha hai ki aap

meri

> > baat

> > > >>> >> > samajh

> > > >>> >> >> > gaye

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > honge.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > --- In

> > > >> , " varun_trvd "

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > If what you say is correct, then I would

love to

> > hear

> > > >>> >> > your views

> > > >>> >> >> >> > on

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > the

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > following, point by point:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( a ) Why should mars when in the 9th house

give

> > the

> > > >>> >> > results of

> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd house?

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( b ) What if the Mars is in the 9th house

and

> > at the

> > > >>> >> > same time

> > > >>> >> >> >> > the

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > Sun

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > is in the 2nd house? Then do you mean to say

> > that the

> > > >>> >> > kundali

> > > >>> >> >> > will

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > have

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > the result of the Sun in the 2nd house twice

> > over?

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( c ) Since you maintain that the mars in

the 9th

> > > >> will

> > > >>> > be

> > > >>> >> > like

> > > >>> >> >> >> > the Sun

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > in the 2nd; and if the jatak makes his 2nd

house

> > Sun

> > > >>> >> > malefic,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > would it

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > mean that the Mars placed in the 9th will

also

> > turn

> > > >>> >> > malefic? or

> > > >>> >> >> >> > visa

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > versa?

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( d ) The 2nd house represents, apart from

other

> > > >>> > things,

> > > >>> >> > the

> > > >>> >> >> >> > karaks of

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Venus and sasural. How would a Mars placed in

> > the 9th

> > > >>> >> > house

> > > >>> >> >> >> > signify

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > these things?

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > ( e ) For mandi halat of the Sun in the 2nd

> > house the

> > > >>> > Lal

> > > >>> >> > Kitab

> > > >>> >> >> >> > says :

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > na hi aurat zaat barhti, na guru pradhan ho

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > yaad itna ho zaroori, chhor duniya daan ko

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 320 ]

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > How can the above be justified if the mars in

> > the 9th

> > > >>> >> > house is

> > > >>> >> >> >> > turned

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > malefic? Remember you said that the Mars will

> > behave

> > > >>> > like

> > > >>> >> > the

> > > >>> >> >> > sun.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Regards,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > --- In

> > > >>> >> > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Umesh Jee & Varun Jee,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Mafi chahta hoon lekin yahan par brikh ka

> > matlab

> > > >>> > rashi

> > > >>> >> > hai,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > matlab

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > ki jaise suraj khana no 2 ka asar hota hai

> > vaise

> > > >> hee

> > > >>> >> > mangal

> > > >>> >> >> > jab

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > khana no 9 mein ho to vaisa hee asar hoga

(nek

> > > >> mayno

> > > >>> >> > mein)

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > MAHAJAN

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > --- In

> > > >>> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Respected Umesh ji,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > The context is shubh Mars placed in the

9th

> > > >> house,

> > > >>> > a

> > > >>> >> > house

> > > >>> >> >> > of

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Here the word Brikha is used in the

context

> > of

> > > >>> >> > Palmistry.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Brikha

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > is

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > the rasi assigned to the burza of

Jupiter [

> > mount

> > > >>> > of

> > > >>> >> >> > jupiter].

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Therefore to my mind the line would

mean :

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Shubh mars in the 9th house would result

in

> > as if

> > > >>> > the

> > > >>> >> > sun of

> > > >>> >> >> >> > shubh

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > mars has risen on the burz [ mount] of

> > Jupiter.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

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> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- In

> > > >> , " Umesh

> > > >>> >> > Sharma "

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji & Members

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Plz help me to understand this word

which

> > is

> > > >>> > used in

> > > >>> >> >> > Edition

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > 1942

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Chapter Mangal Khana No. 9 Page 168

Line

> > No.

> > > >> 17 "

> > > >>> >> > Mangal

> > > >>> >> >> >> > Nek ka

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > Brikh

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > main Suraj nikla ki tarah kismat ka

prakash

> > > >> hoga "

> > > >>> >> > Plz

> > > >>> >> >> >> > explain of

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > word

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Brikh.

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Thanks &

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Regards

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Umesh

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > Sharma

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> >> >> > >

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> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >> >

> > > >>> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >> --

> > > >>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > >>> >> >>

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >> >

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >> --

> > > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > >>> >>

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>>

> > > >>> --

> > > >>> Sent from my mobile device

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Sent from my mobile device

> > >

> >

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