Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, Your humility makes me speechless. I have a few reservations about such a Lal Kitab course. Firstly I believe that a skill like astrology can not be learnt through distance learning/teaching. Astrology is some thing like classical singing which has to be learnt in the company of [ or at the feet of] a competent Guru. It needs complete devotion of the pupil and unflinching love, care and affection of the Guru towards his pupil. Can we expect either in the present materialistic world? I do not think so. Secondly I doubt if the experienced astrologers will be willing to share their secret knowledge with these students. We have found through our own experience that not many people come forward to share what they know. You can see this group itself. Except a few of us how many people have come forward to share their knowledge. They will come forward to test your knowledge, but never to share. This is the situation when we in the group are extremely courteous to every one. Have you ever noticed us to jeer at some one, or make some one feel small or say any thing humiliating? And yet they are not prepared to share. Thirdly astrology is also like carpentry where a lot of manual drilling has to be gone through under the supervision of a learned supervisor. Who has got so much time for all this? All such courses which are being advertised and floated are to make money and have nothing to do with imparting genuine knowledge. And there will be no use adding yet another course into that list. Now what is the best alternative ? Any one who is genuinely interested in learning Lal Kitab has to download all the 180 or so articles in our file section. There is an article in the file section on how to study the Lal Kitab. You can go through that article and suggest a few modifications if you like. That article is a very good guideline for beginners. He should start reading the book, try to understand it. May be he will need a few readings of the book before he gets a hang of it. We might have read the book a few dozen times and can not claim as having understood more than 40% of the book. If he has any difficulties, he can always come to the group and seek clarifications. I assure you that we will share every thing we know. We have no professional interest in hiding any knowledge. We will try to bring every one to our level of competence at least. Then each on his own. The motto of our group is " qot rami tot arbores " as many branches so many trees; every branch to become a tree in itself. Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > consider it as literally begging. With u i enjoy a brotherly > relation but i am in awe of shukla ji and bhooshanpriya ji. Both of > them have a spirit of teacher. Why don't u devise a chapter wise > syllabus for LK learners. Umesh ji i hope is teaching seperately. To > bring in prabhakar ji is my responsibility, i have special immunity > from him. We have mahajan ji and so many more like him in this group > who want to repay the debt of lalkitab. But educationist is the one > who can give compass to the knowledge. Many like me have some little > knowledge but the compass is missing. Can u help, i am really pained > when i see advertisments for courses for lalkitab. We have scholars > here with 3 decades of learning who still consider themselves > students. And now i see teachers produced by 2 years course. Plz > listen to the voice of ur aatma. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > On 2/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > [ 1 ] Palmistry is a knowledge known only to a few people. At least I > > have not come across any palmistry expert who had a tradition of > > palmists in the family. On the contrary, I have come across many > > astrologers where astrology goes back to generations in the family. > > In the Lal Kitab a horoscope drawn on the basis of the palm is > > advised under two circumstances: > > > > [ a ] when the birth details are either not known or may not be very > > accurate; it is a desperate measure. A horoscope based on the palm > > is not used as a substitute under normal circumstances. I have been > > told that Pt. Roopchand ji was very particular that the horoscope > > should be drawn by an able pundit and based on accurate birth details. > > > > [ b ] To confirm certain events or matters indicated in the horoscope > > cast according to the birth details. This is included in the book as > > Kyafa. > > > > Therefore the major role of palmistry in the Lal Kitab is , > > primarily, confirmatory. > > > > [ 2 ] The signs given in the Lal Kitab are the same which you will > > find in any book on palmistry. The names of these signs are so > > archaic that it is difficult to identify them unless you are formally > > trained by a knowledgeable palmist. It is like a vaidya teaching you > > to identify herbs in a jungle. > > > > Since I had never come across a really learned palmist, I never tried > > to devote time on palmistry. > > > > [ 3 ] Yes. The 1939 book does have its emphasis on palmistry more > > than the later editions. In the later editions palmistry is confined > > to Kyafa, an exercise into confirmation of general condition of the > > native. For finer details of the life of the native, it is the > > horoscope which is the main stay of the study. Like the event you > > yourself mentioned a couple of days ago about Saturn in the 8th house > > with two planets, and the native being born only after two family > > members had left this world. Now such a finer detail would be > > possible only through the horoscope. I doubt if it were possible to > > predict this through a palm. > > > > [ 4 ] Yes, you are right. This section on a correlation between the > > height and the life expectancy might have been true a few centuries > > ago. But in the modern times with access to medicines and a better > > general awareness about health, the correlation between height and > > life expectancy may not hold good. > > > > [ 5 ] Yes, you are right. It is only a few roaming pundits, whom we > > call bhaddari, who still earn their living through palm readings. But > > they are mostly confined to either villages or near courts and > > stations. Very few of them have any formal learning into palmistry. > > > > [ 6 ] Yes you are right. The results based on a horoscope either for > > Janma Kundali or for varsh phal Kundali would definitely come to be > > more accurate then the readings through a palm. > > > > A horoscope is a very scientific tool, very accurate and very > > objective. Every astrologer would end up with the same horoscope for > > the same birth details. There is nothing subjective about it. Yes, > > the interpretation of a horoscope can be subjective, that too to a > > very limited extent. Most of the interpretation will be objective > > shared by every other astrologer who happens to read the same > > horoscope. > > > > A horoscope cast on the basis of a house or the `makan kundali' as it > > is known is not a substitute for a Janma kundali. The primary purpose > > of the `makan kundali' as you had mentioned earlier, is to align the > > objects kept in the house with that of the janma kundali planets. > > Therefore the makan kundali can also be used to correct some > > planetary placements in the janma kundali. A makan kundali as such > > can not be an authentic tool to base your predictions on. > > > > Have a nice day, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Varun ji, > >> > >> > >> 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not coincide > > with > >> birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence of > > native's > >> forefathers actions. > >> 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm but i > > have > >> come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and > > square. > >> 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think later > > editions > >> put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on to > >> astrology. > >> 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says > > person > >> with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have > > seen in > >> total contrast to it that persons with long height have died > > earlier some > >> even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have > > lived > >> long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective of > > height. > >> 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer especially > > a > >> lalkitab follower deciphering from palm. > >> if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the results > > are more > >> authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial > > portion. > >> it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with > > profound > >> observation. > >> kindly share your views reagrding this portion. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> kulbir > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Varun Jee, Jab aapne yeh likha ki 'They will come forward to test your knowledge, but never to share. Iss baat par mein 100% sehmat hoon. Kisi ko bhee iss baat ki fikar nahi ki knowldge kaise badai ya share karein sab apni janampatri ke anusar hee swal puchhte hain,jankari badane ke liye nahi. MAHAJAN , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > Your humility makes me speechless.> > I have a few reservations about such a Lal Kitab course.> > Firstly I believe that a skill like astrology can not be learnt > through distance learning/teaching. Astrology is some thing like > classical singing which has to be learnt in the company of [ or at > the feet of] a competent Guru. It needs complete devotion of the > pupil and unflinching love, care and affection of the Guru towards > his pupil. Can we expect either in the present materialistic world? I > do not think so. > > Secondly I doubt if the experienced astrologers will be willing to > share their secret knowledge with these students. We have found > through our own experience that not many people come forward to share > what they know. You can see this group itself. Except a few of us how > many people have come forward to share their knowledge. They will > come forward to test your knowledge, but never to share. This is the > situation when we in the group are extremely courteous to every one. > Have you ever noticed us to jeer at some one, or make some one feel > small or say any thing humiliating? And yet they are not prepared to > share.> > Thirdly astrology is also like carpentry where a lot of manual > drilling has to be gone through under the supervision of a learned > supervisor. Who has got so much time for all this?> > All such courses which are being advertised and floated are to make > money and have nothing to do with imparting genuine knowledge. And > there will be no use adding yet another course into that list.> > Now what is the best alternative ?> > Any one who is genuinely interested in learning Lal Kitab has to > download all the 180 or so articles in our file section. There is an > article in the file section on how to study the Lal Kitab. You can go > through that article and suggest a few modifications if you like. > That article is a very good guideline for beginners.> > He should start reading the book, try to understand it. May be he > will need a few readings of the book before he gets a hang of it. We > might have read the book a few dozen times and can not claim as > having understood more than 40% of the book.> > If he has any difficulties, he can always come to the group and seek > clarifications. > > I assure you that we will share every thing we know. We have no > professional interest in hiding any knowledge. We will try to bring > every one to our level of competence at least. Then each on his own. > > The motto of our group is " qot rami tot arbores" as many branches so > many trees; every branch to become a tree in itself.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >> > Varun ji, > > > > consider it as literally begging. With u i enjoy a brotherly> > relation but i am in awe of shukla ji and bhooshanpriya ji. Both of> > them have a spirit of teacher. Why don't u devise a chapter wise> > syllabus for LK learners. Umesh ji i hope is teaching seperately. To> > bring in prabhakar ji is my responsibility, i have special immunity> > from him. We have mahajan ji and so many more like him in this group> > who want to repay the debt of lalkitab. But educationist is the one> > who can give compass to the knowledge. Many like me have some little> > knowledge but the compass is missing. Can u help, i am really pained> > when i see advertisments for courses for lalkitab. We have scholars> > here with 3 decades of learning who still consider themselves> > students. And now i see teachers produced by 2 years course. Plz> > listen to the voice of ur aatma.> > > > Regards.> > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/18/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > >> > > [ 1 ] Palmistry is a knowledge known only to a few people. At > least I> > > have not come across any palmistry expert who had a tradition of> > > palmists in the family. On the contrary, I have come across many> > > astrologers where astrology goes back to generations in the > family.> > > In the Lal Kitab a horoscope drawn on the basis of the palm is> > > advised under two circumstances:> > >> > > [ a ] when the birth details are either not known or may not be > very> > > accurate; it is a desperate measure. A horoscope based on the > palm> > > is not used as a substitute under normal circumstances. I have > been> > > told that Pt. Roopchand ji was very particular that the horoscope> > > should be drawn by an able pundit and based on accurate birth > details.> > >> > > [ b ] To confirm certain events or matters indicated in the > horoscope> > > cast according to the birth details. This is included in the book > as> > > Kyafa.> > >> > > Therefore the major role of palmistry in the Lal Kitab is ,> > > primarily, confirmatory.> > >> > > [ 2 ] The signs given in the Lal Kitab are the same which you will> > > find in any book on palmistry. The names of these signs are so> > > archaic that it is difficult to identify them unless you are > formally> > > trained by a knowledgeable palmist. It is like a vaidya teaching > you> > > to identify herbs in a jungle.> > >> > > Since I had never come across a really learned palmist, I never > tried> > > to devote time on palmistry.> > >> > > [ 3 ] Yes. The 1939 book does have its emphasis on palmistry more> > > than the later editions. In the later editions palmistry is > confined> > > to Kyafa, an exercise into confirmation of general condition of > the> > > native. For finer details of the life of the native, it is the> > > horoscope which is the main stay of the study. Like the event you> > > yourself mentioned a couple of days ago about Saturn in the 8th > house> > > with two planets, and the native being born only after two family> > > members had left this world. Now such a finer detail would be> > > possible only through the horoscope. I doubt if it were possible > to> > > predict this through a palm.> > >> > > [ 4 ] Yes, you are right. This section on a correlation between > the> > > height and the life expectancy might have been true a few > centuries> > > ago. But in the modern times with access to medicines and a better> > > general awareness about health, the correlation between height and> > > life expectancy may not hold good.> > >> > > [ 5 ] Yes, you are right. It is only a few roaming pundits, whom > we> > > call bhaddari, who still earn their living through palm readings. > But> > > they are mostly confined to either villages or near courts and> > > stations. Very few of them have any formal learning into > palmistry.> > >> > > [ 6 ] Yes you are right. The results based on a horoscope either > for> > > Janma Kundali or for varsh phal Kundali would definitely come to > be> > > more accurate then the readings through a palm.> > >> > > A horoscope is a very scientific tool, very accurate and very> > > objective. Every astrologer would end up with the same horoscope > for> > > the same birth details. There is nothing subjective about it. Yes,> > > the interpretation of a horoscope can be subjective, that too to a> > > very limited extent. Most of the interpretation will be objective> > > shared by every other astrologer who happens to read the same> > > horoscope.> > >> > > A horoscope cast on the basis of a house or the `makan kundali' > as it> > > is known is not a substitute for a Janma kundali. The primary > purpose> > > of the `makan kundali' as you had mentioned earlier, is to align > the> > > objects kept in the house with that of the janma kundali planets.> > > Therefore the makan kundali can also be used to correct some> > > planetary placements in the janma kundali. A makan kundali as such> > > can not be an authentic tool to base your predictions on.> > >> > > Have a nice day,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , kulbir bance> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > >>> > >> Varun ji,> > >>> > >>> > >> 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not > coincide> > > with> > >> birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence > of> > > native's> > >> forefathers actions.> > >> 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm > but i> > > have> > >> come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and> > > square.> > >> 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think > later> > > editions> > >> put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on > to> > >> astrology.> > >> 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says> > > person> > >> with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have> > > seen in> > >> total contrast to it that persons with long height have died> > > earlier some> > >> even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have> > > lived> > >> long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective > of> > > height.> > >> 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer > especially> > > a> > >> lalkitab follower deciphering from palm.> > >> if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the > results> > > are more> > >> authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial> > > portion.> > >> it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with> > > profound> > >> observation.> > >> kindly share your views reagrding this portion.> > >>> > >> regards> > >>> > >> kulbir> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Some very senior Lal Kitab scholars too had posted queries in the group to test our knowledge. When it came to sharing their knowledge with the rest of us, they never came forward. This is the tragedy of the Lal Kitab. With regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > > Varun Jee, > > Jab aapne yeh likha ki 'They will come forward to test your knowledge, > but never to share. Iss baat par mein 100% sehmat hoon. > > Kisi ko bhee iss baat ki fikar nahi ki knowldge kaise badai ya share > karein sab apni janampatri ke anusar hee swal puchhte hain,jankari > badane ke liye nahi. > > MAHAJAN > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Your humility makes me speechless. > > > > I have a few reservations about such a Lal Kitab course. > > > > Firstly I believe that a skill like astrology can not be learnt > > through distance learning/teaching. Astrology is some thing like > > classical singing which has to be learnt in the company of [ or at > > the feet of] a competent Guru. It needs complete devotion of the > > pupil and unflinching love, care and affection of the Guru towards > > his pupil. Can we expect either in the present materialistic world? I > > do not think so. > > > > Secondly I doubt if the experienced astrologers will be willing to > > share their secret knowledge with these students. We have found > > through our own experience that not many people come forward to share > > what they know. You can see this group itself. Except a few of us how > > many people have come forward to share their knowledge. They will > > come forward to test your knowledge, but never to share. This is the > > situation when we in the group are extremely courteous to every one. > > Have you ever noticed us to jeer at some one, or make some one feel > > small or say any thing humiliating? And yet they are not prepared to > > share. > > > > Thirdly astrology is also like carpentry where a lot of manual > > drilling has to be gone through under the supervision of a learned > > supervisor. Who has got so much time for all this? > > > > All such courses which are being advertised and floated are to make > > money and have nothing to do with imparting genuine knowledge. And > > there will be no use adding yet another course into that list. > > > > Now what is the best alternative ? > > > > Any one who is genuinely interested in learning Lal Kitab has to > > download all the 180 or so articles in our file section. There is an > > article in the file section on how to study the Lal Kitab. You can go > > through that article and suggest a few modifications if you like. > > That article is a very good guideline for beginners. > > > > He should start reading the book, try to understand it. May be he > > will need a few readings of the book before he gets a hang of it. We > > might have read the book a few dozen times and can not claim as > > having understood more than 40% of the book. > > > > If he has any difficulties, he can always come to the group and seek > > clarifications. > > > > I assure you that we will share every thing we know. We have no > > professional interest in hiding any knowledge. We will try to bring > > every one to our level of competence at least. Then each on his own. > > > > The motto of our group is " qot rami tot arbores " as many branches so > > many trees; every branch to become a tree in itself. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > consider it as literally begging. With u i enjoy a brotherly > > > relation but i am in awe of shukla ji and bhooshanpriya ji. Both of > > > them have a spirit of teacher. Why don't u devise a chapter wise > > > syllabus for LK learners. Umesh ji i hope is teaching seperately. To > > > bring in prabhakar ji is my responsibility, i have special immunity > > > from him. We have mahajan ji and so many more like him in this group > > > who want to repay the debt of lalkitab. But educationist is the one > > > who can give compass to the knowledge. Many like me have some little > > > knowledge but the compass is missing. Can u help, i am really pained > > > when i see advertisments for courses for lalkitab. We have scholars > > > here with 3 decades of learning who still consider themselves > > > students. And now i see teachers produced by 2 years course. Plz > > > listen to the voice of ur aatma. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/18/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Palmistry is a knowledge known only to a few people. At > > least I > > > > have not come across any palmistry expert who had a tradition of > > > > palmists in the family. On the contrary, I have come across many > > > > astrologers where astrology goes back to generations in the > > family. > > > > In the Lal Kitab a horoscope drawn on the basis of the palm is > > > > advised under two circumstances: > > > > > > > > [ a ] when the birth details are either not known or may not be > > very > > > > accurate; it is a desperate measure. A horoscope based on the > > palm > > > > is not used as a substitute under normal circumstances. I have > > been > > > > told that Pt. Roopchand ji was very particular that the horoscope > > > > should be drawn by an able pundit and based on accurate birth > > details. > > > > > > > > [ b ] To confirm certain events or matters indicated in the > > horoscope > > > > cast according to the birth details. This is included in the book > > as > > > > Kyafa. > > > > > > > > Therefore the major role of palmistry in the Lal Kitab is , > > > > primarily, confirmatory. > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] The signs given in the Lal Kitab are the same which you will > > > > find in any book on palmistry. The names of these signs are so > > > > archaic that it is difficult to identify them unless you are > > formally > > > > trained by a knowledgeable palmist. It is like a vaidya teaching > > you > > > > to identify herbs in a jungle. > > > > > > > > Since I had never come across a really learned palmist, I never > > tried > > > > to devote time on palmistry. > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] Yes. The 1939 book does have its emphasis on palmistry more > > > > than the later editions. In the later editions palmistry is > > confined > > > > to Kyafa, an exercise into confirmation of general condition of > > the > > > > native. For finer details of the life of the native, it is the > > > > horoscope which is the main stay of the study. Like the event you > > > > yourself mentioned a couple of days ago about Saturn in the 8th > > house > > > > with two planets, and the native being born only after two family > > > > members had left this world. Now such a finer detail would be > > > > possible only through the horoscope. I doubt if it were possible > > to > > > > predict this through a palm. > > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Yes, you are right. This section on a correlation between > > the > > > > height and the life expectancy might have been true a few > > centuries > > > > ago. But in the modern times with access to medicines and a better > > > > general awareness about health, the correlation between height and > > > > life expectancy may not hold good. > > > > > > > > [ 5 ] Yes, you are right. It is only a few roaming pundits, whom > > we > > > > call bhaddari, who still earn their living through palm readings. > > But > > > > they are mostly confined to either villages or near courts and > > > > stations. Very few of them have any formal learning into > > palmistry. > > > > > > > > [ 6 ] Yes you are right. The results based on a horoscope either > > for > > > > Janma Kundali or for varsh phal Kundali would definitely come to > > be > > > > more accurate then the readings through a palm. > > > > > > > > A horoscope is a very scientific tool, very accurate and very > > > > objective. Every astrologer would end up with the same horoscope > > for > > > > the same birth details. There is nothing subjective about it. Yes, > > > > the interpretation of a horoscope can be subjective, that too to a > > > > very limited extent. Most of the interpretation will be objective > > > > shared by every other astrologer who happens to read the same > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > A horoscope cast on the basis of a house or the `makan kundali' > > as it > > > > is known is not a substitute for a Janma kundali. The primary > > purpose > > > > of the `makan kundali' as you had mentioned earlier, is to align > > the > > > > objects kept in the house with that of the janma kundali planets. > > > > Therefore the makan kundali can also be used to correct some > > > > planetary placements in the janma kundali. A makan kundali as such > > > > can not be an authentic tool to base your predictions on. > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Varun ji, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not > > coincide > > > > with > > > >> birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence > > of > > > > native's > > > >> forefathers actions. > > > >> 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm > > but i > > > > have > > > >> come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and > > > > square. > > > >> 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think > > later > > > > editions > > > >> put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on > > to > > > >> astrology. > > > >> 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says > > > > person > > > >> with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have > > > > seen in > > > >> total contrast to it that persons with long height have died > > > > earlier some > > > >> even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have > > > > lived > > > >> long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective > > of > > > > height. > > > >> 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer > > especially > > > > a > > > >> lalkitab follower deciphering from palm. > > > >> if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the > > results > > > > are more > > > >> authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial > > > > portion. > > > >> it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with > > > > profound > > > >> observation. > > > >> kindly share your views reagrding this portion. > > > >> > > > >> regards > > > >> > > > >> kulbir > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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