Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Varun ji, 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not coincide with birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence of native's forefathers actions. 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm but i have come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and square. 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think later editions put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on to astrology. 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says person with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have seen in total contrast to it that persons with long height have died earlier some even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have lived long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective of height. 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer especially a lalkitab follower deciphering from palm. if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the results are more authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial portion. it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with profound observation. kindly share your views reagrding this portion. regards kulbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Kulbir Bhai, [ 1 ] Palmistry is a knowledge known only to a few people. At least I have not come across any palmistry expert who had a tradition of palmists in the family. On the contrary, I have come across many astrologers where astrology goes back to generations in the family. In the Lal Kitab a horoscope drawn on the basis of the palm is advised under two circumstances: [ a ] when the birth details are either not known or may not be very accurate; it is a desperate measure. A horoscope based on the palm is not used as a substitute under normal circumstances. I have been told that Pt. Roopchand ji was very particular that the horoscope should be drawn by an able pundit and based on accurate birth details. [ b ] To confirm certain events or matters indicated in the horoscope cast according to the birth details. This is included in the book as Kyafa. Therefore the major role of palmistry in the Lal Kitab is , primarily, confirmatory. [ 2 ] The signs given in the Lal Kitab are the same which you will find in any book on palmistry. The names of these signs are so archaic that it is difficult to identify them unless you are formally trained by a knowledgeable palmist. It is like a vaidya teaching you to identify herbs in a jungle. Since I had never come across a really learned palmist, I never tried to devote time on palmistry. [ 3 ] Yes. The 1939 book does have its emphasis on palmistry more than the later editions. In the later editions palmistry is confined to Kyafa, an exercise into confirmation of general condition of the native. For finer details of the life of the native, it is the horoscope which is the main stay of the study. Like the event you yourself mentioned a couple of days ago about Saturn in the 8th house with two planets, and the native being born only after two family members had left this world. Now such a finer detail would be possible only through the horoscope. I doubt if it were possible to predict this through a palm. [ 4 ] Yes, you are right. This section on a correlation between the height and the life expectancy might have been true a few centuries ago. But in the modern times with access to medicines and a better general awareness about health, the correlation between height and life expectancy may not hold good. [ 5 ] Yes, you are right. It is only a few roaming pundits, whom we call bhaddari, who still earn their living through palm readings. But they are mostly confined to either villages or near courts and stations. Very few of them have any formal learning into palmistry. [ 6 ] Yes you are right. The results based on a horoscope either for Janma Kundali or for varsh phal Kundali would definitely come to be more accurate then the readings through a palm. A horoscope is a very scientific tool, very accurate and very objective. Every astrologer would end up with the same horoscope for the same birth details. There is nothing subjective about it. Yes, the interpretation of a horoscope can be subjective, that too to a very limited extent. Most of the interpretation will be objective shared by every other astrologer who happens to read the same horoscope. A horoscope cast on the basis of a house or the `makan kundali' as it is known is not a substitute for a Janma kundali. The primary purpose of the `makan kundali' as you had mentioned earlier, is to align the objects kept in the house with that of the janma kundali planets. Therefore the makan kundali can also be used to correct some planetary placements in the janma kundali. A makan kundali as such can not be an authentic tool to base your predictions on. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > > 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not coincide with > birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence of native's > forefathers actions. > 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm but i have > come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and square. > 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think later editions > put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on to > astrology. > 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says person > with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have seen in > total contrast to it that persons with long height have died earlier some > even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have lived > long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective of height. > 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer especially a > lalkitab follower deciphering from palm. > if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the results are more > authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial portion. > it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with profound > observation. > kindly share your views reagrding this portion. > > regards > > kulbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Varun ji, consider it as literally begging. With u i enjoy a brotherly relation but i am in awe of shukla ji and bhooshanpriya ji. Both of them have a spirit of teacher. Why don't u devise a chapter wise syllabus for LK learners. Umesh ji i hope is teaching seperately. To bring in prabhakar ji is my responsibility, i have special immunity from him. We have mahajan ji and so many more like him in this group who want to repay the debt of lalkitab. But educationist is the one who can give compass to the knowledge. Many like me have some little knowledge but the compass is missing. Can u help, i am really pained when i see advertisments for courses for lalkitab. We have scholars here with 3 decades of learning who still consider themselves students. And now i see teachers produced by 2 years course. Plz listen to the voice of ur aatma. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > [ 1 ] Palmistry is a knowledge known only to a few people. At least I > have not come across any palmistry expert who had a tradition of > palmists in the family. On the contrary, I have come across many > astrologers where astrology goes back to generations in the family. > In the Lal Kitab a horoscope drawn on the basis of the palm is > advised under two circumstances: > > [ a ] when the birth details are either not known or may not be very > accurate; it is a desperate measure. A horoscope based on the palm > is not used as a substitute under normal circumstances. I have been > told that Pt. Roopchand ji was very particular that the horoscope > should be drawn by an able pundit and based on accurate birth details. > > [ b ] To confirm certain events or matters indicated in the horoscope > cast according to the birth details. This is included in the book as > Kyafa. > > Therefore the major role of palmistry in the Lal Kitab is , > primarily, confirmatory. > > [ 2 ] The signs given in the Lal Kitab are the same which you will > find in any book on palmistry. The names of these signs are so > archaic that it is difficult to identify them unless you are formally > trained by a knowledgeable palmist. It is like a vaidya teaching you > to identify herbs in a jungle. > > Since I had never come across a really learned palmist, I never tried > to devote time on palmistry. > > [ 3 ] Yes. The 1939 book does have its emphasis on palmistry more > than the later editions. In the later editions palmistry is confined > to Kyafa, an exercise into confirmation of general condition of the > native. For finer details of the life of the native, it is the > horoscope which is the main stay of the study. Like the event you > yourself mentioned a couple of days ago about Saturn in the 8th house > with two planets, and the native being born only after two family > members had left this world. Now such a finer detail would be > possible only through the horoscope. I doubt if it were possible to > predict this through a palm. > > [ 4 ] Yes, you are right. This section on a correlation between the > height and the life expectancy might have been true a few centuries > ago. But in the modern times with access to medicines and a better > general awareness about health, the correlation between height and > life expectancy may not hold good. > > [ 5 ] Yes, you are right. It is only a few roaming pundits, whom we > call bhaddari, who still earn their living through palm readings. But > they are mostly confined to either villages or near courts and > stations. Very few of them have any formal learning into palmistry. > > [ 6 ] Yes you are right. The results based on a horoscope either for > Janma Kundali or for varsh phal Kundali would definitely come to be > more accurate then the readings through a palm. > > A horoscope is a very scientific tool, very accurate and very > objective. Every astrologer would end up with the same horoscope for > the same birth details. There is nothing subjective about it. Yes, > the interpretation of a horoscope can be subjective, that too to a > very limited extent. Most of the interpretation will be objective > shared by every other astrologer who happens to read the same > horoscope. > > A horoscope cast on the basis of a house or the `makan kundali' as it > is known is not a substitute for a Janma kundali. The primary purpose > of the `makan kundali' as you had mentioned earlier, is to align the > objects kept in the house with that of the janma kundali planets. > Therefore the makan kundali can also be used to correct some > planetary placements in the janma kundali. A makan kundali as such > can not be an authentic tool to base your predictions on. > > Have a nice day, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Varun ji, >> >> >> 1.lalkitab specifically mentions that palm kundali may not coincide > with >> birth horoscope as palm kundali may sometimes include influence of > native's >> forefathers actions. >> 2. many signs have been given in lalkitab to be found on palm but i > have >> come across not more than jaali, mach rekha, trishul triangle and > square. >> 3. 1939 edition relied heavily on palmistry but i don't think later > editions >> put that much emphasis on palmistry, the emphasis was passed on to >> astrology. >> 4. what seems to be an ambuguity is the chapter/portion that says > person >> with such snd such height will have certain age span but i have > seen in >> total contrast to it that persons with long height have died > earlier some >> even in prime of their youth whereas persons short in height have > lived >> long. the average age remains more or less the same irrespective of > height. >> 5. apart from some nomads i have not seen any astrologer especially > a >> lalkitab follower deciphering from palm. >> if we prepare a horoscope by astrology, then varshphal, the results > are more >> authentic, house horoscope comes in the curative or remedial > portion. >> it's true that samudrik shashtra is useful but it only comes with > profound >> observation. >> kindly share your views reagrding this portion. >> >> regards >> >> kulbir >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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