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Respected Vishal ji,

 

One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is :

 

" khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain" [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 908 ]

 

Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house.

 

The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ]

 

The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [ father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ]

 

Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his dharma bhai.

 

In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai of your father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house could be the second best choice.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer wrote:>> > Respected Kulbir ji,> > i think Mr. mahajan is busy so> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr.> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house ,upay> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th> house.> > With Regards> > Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)> > > , "vishalastrologer"> vishalastrologer@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > Sadar Pranam,> >> > aap ne> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki> madad> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta> hai> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad> >> > With Regards> >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> > > Beautifully put !!> > >> > > I agree with you when you say:> > >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah> > > ki koi bhee ashya"> > >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Hemant Mohan> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya> > > upay kiya jaye.> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol> > > data hai.> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein> > > ashya badal jati hai.> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho.> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee> > > lein.> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.> > > > Mahajan> > > > ?> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon> > > > > > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM> > > >> > > > Varun ji,> > > >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part> is> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.> > > >> > > > Regards.> > > >> > > > Kulbir.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how> person/self/body> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding> > > alchohol i> > > > > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may> > > > be> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In> > > the case> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be> > > related> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I> > > think> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards.> > > Kulbir.> > > > >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,> > > > >>> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga> > > (poison> > > > >> combination).> > > > >>> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn.> > > > >>> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your> > > goodselves.> > > > >>> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce> > > > the> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than> > > this> > > > >> remedy could work, else not.> > > > >>> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is> > > making the> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn)> > > which> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person> > > > elevated> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).> > > > >>> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this> > > poison,> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage.> > > > >>> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like> > > orange> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in> > > the body]> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as> > > it> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.> > > > >>> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.> > > > >>> > > > >> Thanking you,> > > > >> Best Wishes,> > > > >> Vijay Goel> > > > >> Jaipur.> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >>>> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink> > > > water> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste,> > > for 43> > > > days> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words> he> > > > should> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing> > > else.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly> > > be in> > > > the> > > > >>> line :> > > > >>>> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho"> > > > >>>> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to> > > moon> > > > and> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some> one> > > > has a> > > > >>> better explanation.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Regards,> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> , kulbir bance> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Varun ji,> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon> > > > >>> > combination.> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Regards.> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Kulbir> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to> > > > alcohol is> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for> > > > example, in> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would> > > > help.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory> > > > statements in terms> > > > >>> of> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat> > > > and says :> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta> > > > ho⤠[> > > > >>> 1952> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through> > > > the health> > > > >>> loss,> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the> > > > Saturn itself> > > > >>> when> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a> > > > malefic; because> > > > >>> in> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Regards,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect> > > > health> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine> > > > for health> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable> > > > only when mars> > > > >>> in> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use> > > > alchohol only when> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health> > > > it is good to> > > > >>> > >> abstain.> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> --> > > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > --> > > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device> > > > >>> >> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > >

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Varun ji,

 

regarding establishment of honey in the west direction, what

type of container would be the best.

 

Regards.

 

Kulbir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/14/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vishal ji,

>

>

>

> One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is :

>

>

>

> " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure

> asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano

> [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain " [ 1952 Urdu ed; page

> 908 ]

>

>

>

> Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done

> through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house.

>

>

>

> The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet

> food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ]

>

>

>

> The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [

> father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ]

>

>

>

> Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be

> offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his

> dharma bhai.

>

>

>

> In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai of your

> father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house

> could be the second best choice.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " vishalastrologer "

> <vishalastrologer wrote:

>>

>>

>> Respected Kulbir ji,

>>

>> i think Mr. mahajan is busy so

>> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr.

>> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house

> ,upay

>> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th

>> house.

>>

>> With Regards

>>

>> Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)

>>

>>

>> , " vishalastrologer "

>> vishalastrologer@ wrote:

>> >

>> > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> >

>> > Sadar Pranam,

>> >

>> > aap ne

>> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se

>> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki

>> madad

>> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh

>> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example

>> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se

>> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta

>> hai

>> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise

>> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad

>> >

>> > With Regards

>> >

>> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > , " varun_trvd "

>> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Respected Mahajan ji,

>> > >

>> > > Beautifully put !!

>> > >

>> > > I agree with you when you say:

>> > >

>> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki

>> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss

> grah

>> > > ki koi bhee ashya "

>> > >

>> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.

>> > >

>> > > Regards,

>> > >

>> > > Varun Trivedi

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > , Hemant Mohan

>> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,

>> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee

>> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to

>> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?

>> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan

>> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki

>> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti

> ulajh

>> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya

>> > > upay kiya jaye.

>> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya

> jaye

>> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone

>> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka

>> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi

>> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol

>> > > data hai.

>> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki

>> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss

> grah

>> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein

> woh

>> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana

> mein

>> > > ashya badal jati hai.

>> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss

>> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki

>> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo

> bhee

>> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya

>> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper

> likhit

>> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na

> ho.

>> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate

> hain

>> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho

>> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein

> budh

>> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE

> SE

>> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).

>> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye

>> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki

> koi

>> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander

> ki

>> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee

>> > > lein.

>> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.

>> > > > Mahajan

>> > > > ?

>> > > >

>> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@

>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon

>> > > >

>> > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM

>> > > >

>> > > > Varun ji,

>> > > >

>> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been

>> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part

>> is

>> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.

>> > > >

>> > > > Regards.

>> > > >

>> > > > Kulbir.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how

>> person/self/body

>> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding

>> > > alchohol i

>> > > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may

>> > > > be

>> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In

>> > > the case

>> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be

>> > > related

>> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body.

> I

>> > > think

>> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards.

>> > > Kulbir.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:

>> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga

>> > > (poison

>> > > > >> combination).

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.

>> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your

>> > > goodselves.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still

> produce

>> > > > the

>> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health

> than

>> > > this

>> > > > >> remedy could work, else not.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is

>> > > making the

>> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn)

>> > > which

>> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person

>> > > > elevated

>> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from

> this

>> > > poison,

>> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C,

> like

>> > > orange

>> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in

>> > > the body]

>> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water

> as

>> > > it

>> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Thanking you,

>> > > > >> Best Wishes,

>> > > > >> Vijay Goel

>> > > > >> Jaipur.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> , " varun_trvd "

>> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should

> drink

>> > > > water

>> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste,

>> > > for 43

>> > > > days

>> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words

>> he

>> > > > should

>> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing

>> > > else.

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly

>> > > be in

>> > > > the

>> > > > >>> line :

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho "

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to

>> > > moon

>> > > > and

>> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some

>> one

>> > > > has a

>> > > > >>> better explanation.

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> Regards,

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

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>> > > > >>>

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>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>>

>> > > > >>> , kulbir bance

>> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> > Varun ji,

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon

>> > > > >>> > combination.

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> > Regards.

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> > Kulbir

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> >

>> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to

>> > > > alcohol is

>> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for

>> > > > example, in

>> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would

>> > > > help.

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory

>> > > > statements in terms

>> > > > >>> of

>> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat

>> > > > and says :

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta

>> > > > ho⤠[

>> > > > >>> 1952

>> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through

>> > > > the health

>> > > > >>> loss,

>> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the

>> > > > Saturn itself

>> > > > >>> when

>> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a

>> > > > malefic; because

>> > > > >>> in

>> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > Regards,

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

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>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > >

>> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance

>> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

>> > > > >>> > >>

>> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,

>> > > > >>> > >>

>> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect

>> > > > health

>> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine

>> > > > for health

>> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable

>> > > > only when mars

>> > > > >>> in

>> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use

>> > > > alchohol only when

>> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health

>> > > > it is good to

>> > > > >>> > >> abstain.

>> > > > >>> > >>

>> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir

>> > > > >>> > >>

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Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

A copper dibbi would be ideal. In case one doesn't find a copper

dibbi then an earthen pot will also do.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kulbir bance

<kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Varun ji,

>

> regarding establishment of honey in the west direction, what

> type of container would be the best.

>

> Regards.

>

> Kulbir.

>

>

>

>

>

On 2/14/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vishal ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is :

> >

> >

> >

> > " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke

bure

> > asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in

khano

> > [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain " [ 1952 Urdu ed;

page

> > 908 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done

> > through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house.

> >

> >

> >

> > The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan

[ sweet

> > food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [

> > father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can

be

> > offering sweet food to a person who you think your father

regards as his

> > dharma bhai.

> >

> >

> >

> > In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai

of your

> > father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of

the house

> > could be the second best choice.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vishalastrologer "

> > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Respected Kulbir ji,

> >>

> >> i think Mr. mahajan is busy so

> >> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of

what mr.

> >> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th

house

> > ,upay

> >> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to

10th

> >> house.

> >>

> >> With Regards

> >>

> >> Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)

> >>

> >>

> >> , " vishalastrologer "

> >> vishalastrologer@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >> >

> >> > Sadar Pranam,

> >> >

> >> > aap ne

> >> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke

hisaab se

> >> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai

mangal ki

> >> madad

> >> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se

sambandh

> >> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi

example

> >> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri

tarah se

> >> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh

rakhta

> >> hai

> >> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to

mujh jaise

> >> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa

jaye.dhanyawad

> >> >

> >> > With Regards

> >> >

> >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > , " varun_trvd "

> >> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> >> > >

> >> > > Beautifully put !!

> >> > >

> >> > > I agree with you when you say:

> >> > >

> >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss

grah ki

> >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki

uss

> > grah

> >> > > ki koi bhee ashya "

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.

> >> > >

> >> > > Regards,

> >> > >

> >> > > Varun Trivedi

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > , Hemant Mohan

> >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,

> >> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh

bhee

> >> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee

to

> >> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?

> >> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein

jahan

> >> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein,

Shani ki

> >> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai

vayakti

> > ulajh

> >> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye

ya kya

> >> > > upay kiya jaye.

> >> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya

kiya

> > jaye

> >> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari

jinhone

> >> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK

ka

> >> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta

hai.Yehi

> >> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka

bhed khol

> >> > > data hai.

> >> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss

grah ki

> >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki

uss

> > grah

> >> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana

mein

> > woh

> >> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har

khana

> > mein

> >> > > ashya badal jati hai.

> >> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya

Dariya. iss

> >> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain

na ki

> >> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap

jo

> > bhee

> >> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani

ya

> >> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper

> > likhit

> >> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko

fayda na

> > ho.

> >> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh

janate

> > hain

> >> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka

bhala ho

> >> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK

mein

> > budh

> >> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR

KUREDANE

> > SE

> >> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).

> >> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position

dekhi jaye

> >> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position

dekhne ki

> > koi

> >> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye

chander

> > ki

> >> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur

par pee

> >> > > lein.

> >> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.

> >> > > > Mahajan

> >> > > > ?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@

> >> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Varun ji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been

> >> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that

intoxication part

> >> is

> >> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Regards.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Kulbir.

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:

> >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how

> >> person/self/body

> >> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate.

Regarding

> >> > > alchohol i

> >> > > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh

hove " . I may

> >> > > > be

> >> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by

mer+ketu. In

> >> > > the case

> >> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically

mentioned to be

> >> > > related

> >> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over

body.

> > I

> >> > > think

> >> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus.

Regards.

> >> > > Kulbir.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:

> >> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish

Yoga

> >> > > (poison

> >> > > > >> combination).

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.

> >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of

saturn.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by

your

> >> > > goodselves.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still

> > produce

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to

health

> > than

> >> > > this

> >> > > > >> remedy could work, else not.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which

is

> >> > > making the

> >> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol

(saturn)

> >> > > which

> >> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person

> >> > > > elevated

> >> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out

from

> > this

> >> > > poison,

> >> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a

mirage.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin

C,

> > like

> >> > > orange

> >> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions

(sun) in

> >> > > the body]

> >> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure

water

> > as

> >> > > it

> >> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Thanking you,

> >> > > > >> Best Wishes,

> >> > > > >> Vijay Goel

> >> > > > >> Jaipur.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> >> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native

should

> > drink

> >> > > > water

> >> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and

taste,

> >> > > for 43

> >> > > > days

> >> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In

other words

> >> he

> >> > > > should

> >> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some

thing

> >> > > else.

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could

possibly

> >> > > be in

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > >>> line :

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho "

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding

strength to

> >> > > moon

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear

if some

> >> one

> >> > > > has a

> >> > > > >>> better explanation.

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> Regards,

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>>

> >> > > > >>> , kulbir

bance

> >> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> > Varun ji,

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon

> >> > > > >>> > combination.

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> > Regards.

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> > Kulbir

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> >

> >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable.

Addiction to

> >> > > > alcohol is

> >> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor

for

> >> > > > example, in

> >> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya

would

> >> > > > help.

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory

> >> > > > statements in terms

> >> > > > >>> of

> >> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism

ki sehat

> >> > > > and says :

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud

deta

> >> > > > ho⤠[

> >> > > > >>> 1952

> >> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated

through

> >> > > > the health

> >> > > > >>> loss,

> >> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the

> >> > > > Saturn itself

> >> > > > >>> when

> >> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a

> >> > > > malefic; because

> >> > > > >>> in

> >> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an

upaya.

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > Regards,

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > >>> > >

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kulbir bance

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> >> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,

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> >> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will

effect

> >> > > > health

> >> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a

remedy/medicine

> >> > > > for health

> >> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2

applicable

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> >> > > > >>> in

> >> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use

> >> > > > alchohol only when

> >> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill

health

> >> > > > it is good to

> >> > > > >>> > >> abstain.

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