Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is : " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain" [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 908 ] Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house. The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ] The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [ father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ] Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his dharma bhai. In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai of your father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house could be the second best choice. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer wrote:>> > Respected Kulbir ji,> > i think Mr. mahajan is busy so> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr.> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house ,upay> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th> house.> > With Regards> > Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)> > > , "vishalastrologer"> vishalastrologer@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > Sadar Pranam,> >> > aap ne> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki> madad> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta> hai> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad> >> > With Regards> >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > >> > > Beautifully put !!> > >> > > I agree with you when you say:> > >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah> > > ki koi bhee ashya"> > >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Hemant Mohan> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya> > > upay kiya jaye.> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol> > > data hai.> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein> > > ashya badal jati hai.> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho.> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee> > > lein.> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.> > > > Mahajan> > > > ?> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > >> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon> > > > > > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM> > > >> > > > Varun ji,> > > >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part> is> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.> > > >> > > > Regards.> > > >> > > > Kulbir.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how> person/self/body> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding> > > alchohol i> > > > > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may> > > > be> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In> > > the case> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be> > > related> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I> > > think> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards.> > > Kulbir.> > > > >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,> > > > >>> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga> > > (poison> > > > >> combination).> > > > >>> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn.> > > > >>> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your> > > goodselves.> > > > >>> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce> > > > the> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than> > > this> > > > >> remedy could work, else not.> > > > >>> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is> > > making the> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn)> > > which> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person> > > > elevated> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).> > > > >>> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this> > > poison,> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage.> > > > >>> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like> > > orange> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in> > > the body]> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as> > > it> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.> > > > >>> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.> > > > >>> > > > >> Thanking you,> > > > >> Best Wishes,> > > > >> Vijay Goel> > > > >> Jaipur.> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> , "varun_trvd"> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >>>> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink> > > > water> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste,> > > for 43> > > > days> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words> he> > > > should> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing> > > else.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly> > > be in> > > > the> > > > >>> line :> > > > >>>> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho"> > > > >>>> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to> > > moon> > > > and> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some> one> > > > has a> > > > >>> better explanation.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Regards,> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> , kulbir bance> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Varun ji,> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon> > > > >>> > combination.> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Regards.> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > Kulbir> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to> > > > alcohol is> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for> > > > example, in> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would> > > > help.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory> > > > statements in terms> > > > >>> of> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat> > > > and says :> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta> > > > ho⤠[> > > > >>> 1952> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through> > > > the health> > > > >>> loss,> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the> > > > Saturn itself> > > > >>> when> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a> > > > malefic; because> > > > >>> in> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Regards,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect> > > > health> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine> > > > for health> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable> > > > only when mars> > > > >>> in> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use> > > > alchohol only when> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health> > > > it is good to> > > > >>> > >> abstain.> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> --> > > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > --> > > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device> > > > >>> >> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Varun ji, regarding establishment of honey in the west direction, what type of container would be the best. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/14/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is : > > > > " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure > asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano > [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain " [ 1952 Urdu ed; page > 908 ] > > > > Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done > through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house. > > > > The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet > food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ] > > > > The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [ > father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ] > > > > Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be > offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his > dharma bhai. > > > > In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai of your > father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house > could be the second best choice. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vishalastrologer " > <vishalastrologer wrote: >> >> >> Respected Kulbir ji, >> >> i think Mr. mahajan is busy so >> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr. >> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house > ,upay >> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th >> house. >> >> With Regards >> >> Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi) >> >> >> , " vishalastrologer " >> vishalastrologer@ wrote: >> > >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >> > Sadar Pranam, >> > >> > aap ne >> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se >> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki >> madad >> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh >> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example >> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se >> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta >> hai >> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise >> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad >> > >> > With Regards >> > >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " >> > varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > > >> > > Beautifully put !! >> > > >> > > I agree with you when you say: >> > > >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss > grah >> > > ki koi bhee ashya " >> > > >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , Hemant Mohan >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, >> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee >> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to >> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? >> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan >> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki >> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti > ulajh >> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya >> > > upay kiya jaye. >> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya > jaye >> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone >> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka >> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi >> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol >> > > data hai. >> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss > grah >> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein > woh >> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana > mein >> > > ashya badal jati hai. >> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss >> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki >> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo > bhee >> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya >> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper > likhit >> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na > ho. >> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate > hain >> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho >> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein > budh >> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE > SE >> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). >> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye >> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki > koi >> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander > ki >> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee >> > > lein. >> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. >> > > > Mahajan >> > > > ? >> > > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ >> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon >> > > > >> > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM >> > > > >> > > > Varun ji, >> > > > >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been >> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part >> is >> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. >> > > > >> > > > Regards. >> > > > >> > > > Kulbir. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how >> person/self/body >> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding >> > > alchohol i >> > > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may >> > > > be >> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In >> > > the case >> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be >> > > related >> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. > I >> > > think >> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. >> > > Kulbir. >> > > > > >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: >> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> > > > >> >> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga >> > > (poison >> > > > >> combination). >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your >> > > goodselves. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still > produce >> > > > the >> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health > than >> > > this >> > > > >> remedy could work, else not. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is >> > > making the >> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) >> > > which >> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person >> > > > elevated >> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> > > > >> >> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from > this >> > > poison, >> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, > like >> > > orange >> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in >> > > the body] >> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water > as >> > > it >> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Thanking you, >> > > > >> Best Wishes, >> > > > >> Vijay Goel >> > > > >> Jaipur. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> , " varun_trvd " >> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should > drink >> > > > water >> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, >> > > for 43 >> > > > days >> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words >> he >> > > > should >> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing >> > > else. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly >> > > be in >> > > > the >> > > > >>> line : >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to >> > > moon >> > > > and >> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some >> one >> > > > has a >> > > > >>> better explanation. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Regards, >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> , kulbir bance >> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > Varun ji, >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >> > > > >>> > combination. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > Regards. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > Kulbir >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to >> > > > alcohol is >> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for >> > > > example, in >> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would >> > > > help. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory >> > > > statements in terms >> > > > >>> of >> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat >> > > > and says : >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta >> > > > ho⤠[ >> > > > >>> 1952 >> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through >> > > > the health >> > > > >>> loss, >> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the >> > > > Saturn itself >> > > > >>> when >> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a >> > > > malefic; because >> > > > >>> in >> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > Regards, >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance >> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji, >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect >> > > > health >> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine >> > > > for health >> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable >> > > > only when mars >> > > > >>> in >> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use >> > > > alchohol only when >> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health >> > > > it is good to >> > > > >>> > >> abstain. >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > >> -- >> > > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > -- >> > > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, A copper dibbi would be ideal. In case one doesn't find a copper dibbi then an earthen pot will also do. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > regarding establishment of honey in the west direction, what > type of container would be the best. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > On 2/14/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Vishal ji, > > > > > > > > One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is : > > > > > > > > " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure > > asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano > > [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain " [ 1952 Urdu ed; page > > 908 ] > > > > > > > > Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done > > through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house. > > > > > > > > The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet > > food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ] > > > > > > > > The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [ > > father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ] > > > > > > > > Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be > > offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his > > dharma bhai. > > > > > > > > In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai of your > > father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house > > could be the second best choice. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vishalastrologer " > > <vishalastrologer@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Respected Kulbir ji, > >> > >> i think Mr. mahajan is busy so > >> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr. > >> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house > > ,upay > >> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th > >> house. > >> > >> With Regards > >> > >> Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi) > >> > >> > >> , " vishalastrologer " > >> vishalastrologer@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > > >> > Sadar Pranam, > >> > > >> > aap ne > >> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se > >> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki > >> madad > >> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh > >> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example > >> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se > >> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta > >> hai > >> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise > >> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad > >> > > >> > With Regards > >> > > >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , " varun_trvd " > >> > varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > > > >> > > Beautifully put !! > >> > > > >> > > I agree with you when you say: > >> > > > >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss > > grah > >> > > ki koi bhee ashya " > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , Hemant Mohan > >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, > >> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee > >> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to > >> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? > >> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan > >> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki > >> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti > > ulajh > >> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya > >> > > upay kiya jaye. > >> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya > > jaye > >> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone > >> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka > >> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi > >> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol > >> > > data hai. > >> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss > > grah > >> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein > > woh > >> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana > > mein > >> > > ashya badal jati hai. > >> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss > >> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki > >> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo > > bhee > >> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya > >> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper > > likhit > >> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na > > ho. > >> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate > > hain > >> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho > >> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein > > budh > >> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE > > SE > >> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). > >> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye > >> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki > > koi > >> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander > > ki > >> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee > >> > > lein. > >> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. > >> > > > Mahajan > >> > > > ? > >> > > > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > >> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon > >> > > > > >> > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM > >> > > > > >> > > > Varun ji, > >> > > > > >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been > >> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part > >> is > >> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. > >> > > > > >> > > > Regards. > >> > > > > >> > > > Kulbir. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how > >> person/self/body > >> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding > >> > > alchohol i > >> > > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may > >> > > > be > >> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In > >> > > the case > >> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be > >> > > related > >> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. > > I > >> > > think > >> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. > >> > > Kulbir. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > >> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga > >> > > (poison > >> > > > >> combination). > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > >> > > goodselves. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still > > produce > >> > > > the > >> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health > > than > >> > > this > >> > > > >> remedy could work, else not. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is > >> > > making the > >> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) > >> > > which > >> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person > >> > > > elevated > >> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from > > this > >> > > poison, > >> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, > > like > >> > > orange > >> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in > >> > > the body] > >> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water > > as > >> > > it > >> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Thanking you, > >> > > > >> Best Wishes, > >> > > > >> Vijay Goel > >> > > > >> Jaipur. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> --- In , " varun_trvd " > >> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should > > drink > >> > > > water > >> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, > >> > > for 43 > >> > > > days > >> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words > >> he > >> > > > should > >> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing > >> > > else. > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly > >> > > be in > >> > > > the > >> > > > >>> line : > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to > >> > > moon > >> > > > and > >> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some > >> one > >> > > > has a > >> > > > >>> better explanation. > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> Regards, > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> , kulbir bance > >> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > Varun ji, > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > >> > > > >>> > combination. > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > Regards. > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > Kulbir > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > >> > > > alcohol is > >> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > >> > > > example, in > >> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would > >> > > > help. > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory > >> > > > statements in terms > >> > > > >>> of > >> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat > >> > > > and says : > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta > >> > > > ho⤠[ > >> > > > >>> 1952 > >> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through > >> > > > the health > >> > > > >>> loss, > >> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the > >> > > > Saturn itself > >> > > > >>> when > >> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a > >> > > > malefic; because > >> > > > >>> in > >> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > Regards, > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance > >> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji, > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect > >> > > > health > >> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine > >> > > > for health > >> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable > >> > > > only when mars > >> > > > >>> in > >> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use > >> > > > alchohol only when > >> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health > >> > > > it is good to > >> > > > >>> > >> abstain. > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > >> -- > >> > > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > -- > >> > > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --- > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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