Saturn in # 4

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Dear Kulbir bhai

You are right when you say:

"Is it that intoxication part is preferred?"

The book says :

Mandi sehat ke waqt saanp khud sharab tel [ shani ki ashiya ] yani zahreeli nashe wali ashiya madad dengi.

[ 1952 urdu ed ; page 607 ; note # 9 ]

 

The book itself has brought the role of " zahreeli nashewali ashiya"

It appears that both the intoxication and the poison part have been included. One thing which contains both is the snake poison. The book says " zahar khud apnee dawai ka kam degi".

You could be right that the role of both Rahu and Ketu has been taken into consideration.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Varun ji,> > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been> mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is> preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.> > Regards.> > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance wrote:> > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body> > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i> > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may be> > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case> > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related> > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think> > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir.> >> > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj wrote:> >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,> >>> >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison> >> combination).> >>> >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.> >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn.> >>> >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves.> >>> >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the> >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this> >> remedy could work, else not.> >>> >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the> >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which> >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated> >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).> >>> >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison,> >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage.> >>> >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange> >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body]> >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it> >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.> >>> >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.> >>> >> Thanking you,> >> Best Wishes,> >> Vijay Goel> >> Jaipur.> >>> >>> >>> >> , "varun_trvd"> >> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >>>> >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>>> >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water> >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days> >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should> >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else.> >>>> >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the> >>> line :> >>>> >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho"> >>>> >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]> >>>> >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and> >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.> >>>> >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a> >>> better explanation.> >>>> >>> Regards,> >>>> >>> Varun Trivedi> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> , kulbir bance> >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Varun ji,> >>> >> >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon> >>> > combination.> >>> >> >>> > Regards.> >>> >> >>> > Kulbir> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> >>> > >> >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is> >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in> >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms> >>> of> >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says :> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho† [> >>> 1952> >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health> >>> loss,> >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself> >>> when> >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because> >>> in> >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Regards,> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Varun Trivedi> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > , kulbir bance> >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >>> > >>> >>> > >> Varun ji,> >>> > >>> >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health> >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health> >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars> >>> in> >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when> >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to> >>> > >> abstain.> >>> > >>> >>> > >> Kulbir> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> --> >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device> >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> > --> >>> > Sent from my mobile device> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --> > Sent from my mobile device> >> > --> Sent from my mobile device>