Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir Paji,This is true today even with modern medicines. From the zehar we get the antivenom etc-For Saturn in 4th however, wouldn't Bhang be considered the most effective option for upaye?Best Regards,IqbalUSASent via Blackberry "varun_trvd" Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:49:15 -0000LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon Respected Vijay ji, You are right. Both intoxicants and poisons have been traditionally used in the indigenous medicines. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Varunji, > > You are right juice mixed with water is the right substitute. If > person is health wise weak, he can take homoepatic medicine with water. > > For eg. In kidney stone, [astrologically saturn comes into play], few > drops of homoepatic medicine " berbellis " is taken in every glass of > water person drinks for few days, and that stone gets diluted and > breaks and comes out of body. > > Similarly mainly in stones of gal bladder, sometimes doctor advises to > drink lot of BEAR (diluted alcohol in water), and stone is pushed out > through urinary track. > > ----------------------- > > Last week i was in a professional maiden tour to Indore. I really > enjoyed it, here are few pics at the below link. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/goelvj/IndoreBookFair09# > > Thanking you, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Vijay ji, > > > > Thanks for your input. You have very explicitly explained the > > rationale of this combination. > > > > Since a person can not live on juices alone for 43 days, and it > > might be very expensive also,therefore adding some juice to the > > water and then drinking it could be a viable alternative. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Vijay Goel " > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > > > > > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > > > combination). > > > > > > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > > > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > > > > > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > > goodselves. > > > > > > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the > > > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > > > remedy could work, else not. > > > > > > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making > > the > > > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > > > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated > > > (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > > > > > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this > > poison, > > > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > > > > > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like > > orange > > > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the > > body] > > > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > > > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > > > > > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > > water > > > > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for > > 43 days > > > > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > > should > > > > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > > > > > > > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be > > in the > > > > line : > > > > > > > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > > > > > > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon > > and > > > > this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > > > > > > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > > has a > > > > better explanation. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > > alcohol is > > > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > > example, in > > > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements > > in terms > > > > of > > > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and > > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ > > > > 1952 > > > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the > > health > > > > loss, > > > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn > > itself > > > > when > > > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; > > because > > > > in > > > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Varun ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for > > health > > > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only > > when mars > > > > in > > > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only > > when > > > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is > > good to > > > > > >> abstain. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kulbir > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya upay kiya jaye. Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain. lekin upay kya kiya jaye koi nahi janta(yeh aap ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon) issliye har LK ka jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol data hai. Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein ashya badal jati hai. Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho. Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee lein. Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. Mahajan --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: kulbir bance <kulbirbanceLK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AMVarun ji, why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may be > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison >> combination). >> >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. >> >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this >> remedy could work, else not. >> >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> >> Thanking you, >> Best Wishes, >> Vijay Goel >> Jaipur. >> >> >> >> , "varun_trvd" >> <varun_trvd wrote: >>> >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >>> >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the >>> line : >>> >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho" >>> >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >>> >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >>> >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a >>> better explanation. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Varun Trivedi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , kulbir bance >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Varun ji, >>> > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >>> > combination. >>> > >>> > Regards. >>> > >>> > Kulbir >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms >>> of >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤠[ >>> 1952 >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health >>> loss, >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself >>> when >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because >>> in >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Regards, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > , kulbir bance >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Varun ji, >>> > >> >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars >>> in >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >>> > >> abstain. >>> > >> >>> > >> Kulbir >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sent from my mobile device >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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