Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the line : " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho" [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and this will make the saturn all the more manda. To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a better explanation. Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Varun ji,> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon> combination.> > Regards.> > Kulbir> > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> >> >> > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is> > likely to turn Saturn malefic.> >> >> >> > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in> > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help.> >> >> >> > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms of> > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.> >> >> >> > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says :> >> >> >> > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ 1952> > urdu ed ; page 605 ]> >> >> >> > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health loss,> > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself when> > used as upaya and in moderation.> >> >> >> > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because in> > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >>> >> Varun ji,> >>> >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health> >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health> >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in> >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when> >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to> >> abstain.> >>> >> Kulbir> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --> >> Sent from my mobile device> >>> >> >> >> > --> Sent from my mobile device> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison combination). Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this remedy could work, else not. The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated (venus) from depress state (saturn). So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it will increase depression, for 40-43 days. Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. Thanking you, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the > line : > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and > this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a > better explanation. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > Varun ji, > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > combination. > > > > Regards. > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms > of > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ > 1952 > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health > loss, > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself > when > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because > in > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > >> > > >> Varun ji, > > >> > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars > in > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to > > >> abstain. > > >> > > >> Kulbir > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Respected Vijay ji, Thanks for your input. You have very explicitly explained the rationale of this combination. Since a person can not live on juices alone for 43 days, and it might be very expensive also,therefore adding some juice to the water and then drinking it could be a viable alternative. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > combination). > > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. > > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > remedy could work, else not. > > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated > (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > Thanking you, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water > > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days > > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should > > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > > > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the > > line : > > > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and > > this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a > > better explanation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > combination. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms > > of > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ > > 1952 > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health > > loss, > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself > > when > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because > > in > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Varun ji, > > > >> > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars > > in > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to > > > >> abstain. > > > >> > > > >> Kulbir > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may be wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > combination). > > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. > > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > remedy could work, else not. > > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated > (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > Thanking you, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd wrote: >> >> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water >> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days >> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should >> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >> >> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the >> line : >> >> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >> >> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >> >> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and >> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >> >> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a >> better explanation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> > Varun ji, >> > >> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >> > combination. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Kulbir >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is >> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in >> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms >> of >> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ >> 1952 >> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health >> loss, >> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself >> when >> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because >> in >> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , kulbir bance >> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Varun ji, >> > >> >> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars >> in >> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >> > >> abstain. >> > >> >> > >> Kulbir >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Sent from my mobile device >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Varun ji, why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may be > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison >> combination). >> >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. >> >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this >> remedy could work, else not. >> >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> >> Thanking you, >> Best Wishes, >> Vijay Goel >> Jaipur. >> >> >> >> , " varun_trvd " >> <varun_trvd wrote: >>> >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >>> >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the >>> line : >>> >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >>> >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >>> >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >>> >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a >>> better explanation. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Varun Trivedi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , kulbir bance >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Varun ji, >>> > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >>> > combination. >>> > >>> > Regards. >>> > >>> > Kulbir >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms >>> of >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ >>> 1952 >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health >>> loss, >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself >>> when >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because >>> in >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Regards, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > , kulbir bance >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Varun ji, >>> > >> >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars >>> in >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >>> > >> abstain. >>> > >> >>> > >> Kulbir >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sent from my mobile device >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Vijay ji, on second thoughts the effected part is " dimaag ki naqlo harkat " so its not the emotional system but the nervous system. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may be > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison >> combination). >> >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. >> >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this >> remedy could work, else not. >> >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> >> Thanking you, >> Best Wishes, >> Vijay Goel >> Jaipur. >> >> >> >> , " varun_trvd " >> <varun_trvd wrote: >>> >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink water >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 days >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he should >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >>> >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in the >>> line : >>> >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >>> >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >>> >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon and >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >>> >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one has a >>> better explanation. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Varun Trivedi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , kulbir bance >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Varun ji, >>> > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >>> > combination. >>> > >>> > Regards. >>> > >>> > Kulbir >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms >>> of >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ >>> 1952 >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health >>> loss, >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself >>> when >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because >>> in >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Regards, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > , kulbir bance >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Varun ji, >>> > >> >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars >>> in >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >>> > >> abstain. >>> > >> >>> > >> Kulbir >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sent from my mobile device >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Respected Varunji, You are right juice mixed with water is the right substitute. If person is health wise weak, he can take homoepatic medicine with water. For eg. In kidney stone, [astrologically saturn comes into play], few drops of homoepatic medicine " berbellis " is taken in every glass of water person drinks for few days, and that stone gets diluted and breaks and comes out of body. Similarly mainly in stones of gal bladder, sometimes doctor advises to drink lot of BEAR (diluted alcohol in water), and stone is pushed out through urinary track. ----------------------- Last week i was in a professional maiden tour to Indore. I really enjoyed it, here are few pics at the below link. http://picasaweb.google.com/goelvj/IndoreBookFair09# Thanking you, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Vijay ji, > > Thanks for your input. You have very explicitly explained the > rationale of this combination. > > Since a person can not live on juices alone for 43 days, and it > might be very expensive also,therefore adding some juice to the > water and then drinking it could be a viable alternative. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > > > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > > combination). > > > > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > > > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > goodselves. > > > > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the > > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > > remedy could work, else not. > > > > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making > the > > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated > > (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > > > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this > poison, > > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > > > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like > orange > > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the > body] > > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > > > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > > > Thanking you, > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > water > > > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for > 43 days > > > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > should > > > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > > > > > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be > in the > > > line : > > > > > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > > > > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon > and > > > this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > > > > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > has a > > > better explanation. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > alcohol is > > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > example, in > > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements > in terms > > > of > > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ > > > 1952 > > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the > health > > > loss, > > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn > itself > > > when > > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; > because > > > in > > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Varun ji, > > > > >> > > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for > health > > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only > when mars > > > in > > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only > when > > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is > good to > > > > >> abstain. > > > > >> > > > > >> Kulbir > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Respected Vijay ji, You are right. Both intoxicants and poisons have been traditionally used in the indigenous medicines. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Varunji, > > You are right juice mixed with water is the right substitute. If > person is health wise weak, he can take homoepatic medicine with water. > > For eg. In kidney stone, [astrologically saturn comes into play], few > drops of homoepatic medicine " berbellis " is taken in every glass of > water person drinks for few days, and that stone gets diluted and > breaks and comes out of body. > > Similarly mainly in stones of gal bladder, sometimes doctor advises to > drink lot of BEAR (diluted alcohol in water), and stone is pushed out > through urinary track. > > ----------------------- > > Last week i was in a professional maiden tour to Indore. I really > enjoyed it, here are few pics at the below link. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/goelvj/IndoreBookFair09# > > Thanking you, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Vijay ji, > > > > Thanks for your input. You have very explicitly explained the > > rationale of this combination. > > > > Since a person can not live on juices alone for 43 days, and it > > might be very expensive also,therefore adding some juice to the > > water and then drinking it could be a viable alternative. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Vijay Goel " > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > > > > > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > > > combination). > > > > > > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > > > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > > > > > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > > goodselves. > > > > > > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the > > > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > > > remedy could work, else not. > > > > > > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making > > the > > > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > > > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated > > > (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > > > > > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this > > poison, > > > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > > > > > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like > > orange > > > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the > > body] > > > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > > > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > > > > > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > > water > > > > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for > > 43 days > > > > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > > should > > > > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > > > > > > > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be > > in the > > > > line : > > > > > > > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > > > > > > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon > > and > > > > this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > > > > > > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > > has a > > > > better explanation. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > > alcohol is > > > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > > example, in > > > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements > > in terms > > > > of > > > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and > > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ > > > > 1952 > > > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the > > health > > > > loss, > > > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn > > itself > > > > when > > > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; > > because > > > > in > > > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Varun ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for > > health > > > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only > > when mars > > > > in > > > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only > > when > > > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is > > good to > > > > > >> abstain. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kulbir > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 vijay ji, BEER is not alchohol diluted with water. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Respected Varunji, > > You are right juice mixed with water is the right substitute. If > person is health wise weak, he can take homoepatic medicine with water. > > For eg. In kidney stone, [astrologically saturn comes into play], few > drops of homoepatic medicine " berbellis " is taken in every glass of > water person drinks for few days, and that stone gets diluted and > breaks and comes out of body. > > Similarly mainly in stones of gal bladder, sometimes doctor advises to > drink lot of BEAR (diluted alcohol in water), and stone is pushed out > through urinary track. > > ----------------------- > > Last week i was in a professional maiden tour to Indore. I really > enjoyed it, here are few pics at the below link. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/goelvj/IndoreBookFair09# > > Thanking you, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd wrote: >> >> Respected Vijay ji, >> >> Thanks for your input. You have very explicitly explained the >> rationale of this combination. >> >> Since a person can not live on juices alone for 43 days, and it >> might be very expensive also,therefore adding some juice to the >> water and then drinking it could be a viable alternative. >> >> Regards, >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , " Vijay Goel " >> <goyalvj@> wrote: >> > >> > Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> > >> > As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison >> > combination). >> > >> > Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> > Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> > >> > Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your >> goodselves. >> > >> > Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce the >> > effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this >> > remedy could work, else not. >> > >> > The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making >> the >> > mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which >> > mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person elevated >> > (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> > >> > So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this >> poison, >> > but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> > >> > Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like >> orange >> > juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the >> body] >> > will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it >> > will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> > >> > Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> > >> > Thanking you, >> > Best Wishes, >> > Vijay Goel >> > Jaipur. >> > >> > >> > >> > , " varun_trvd " >> > <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > >> > > With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink >> water >> > > after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for >> 43 days >> > > at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he >> should >> > > not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >> > > >> > > The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be >> in the >> > > line : >> > > >> > > " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >> > > >> > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >> > > >> > > Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon >> and >> > > this will make the saturn all the more manda. >> > > >> > > To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one >> has a >> > > better explanation. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , kulbir bance >> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Varun ji, >> > > > >> > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >> > > > combination. >> > > > >> > > > Regards. >> > > > >> > > > Kulbir >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to >> alcohol is >> > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for >> example, in >> > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements >> in terms >> > > of >> > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and >> says : >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ >> > > 1952 >> > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the >> health >> > > loss, >> > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn >> itself >> > > when >> > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; >> because >> > > in >> > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards, >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > , kulbir bance >> > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Varun ji, >> > > > >> >> > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >> > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for >> health >> > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only >> when mars >> > > in >> > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only >> when >> > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is >> good to >> > > > >> abstain. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Kulbir >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Respected Kulbhir Bhai, a) "BEER is not alchohol diluted with water." Ha ha , i know since i was the student of chemistry, it is a fermentation of agri product, but % of alcohol is far less and i assumed rest is water. b) "i can't understand as to how person/self/body comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate." I am not saying that venus is body. c) "Regarding alchohol i think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may be wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus." Mer+ketu as explained above is right. Physical body is represented by ascendent and also by moon in traditional astrology not by sun. Thanking you, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Beautifully put !! I agree with you when you say: " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah ki koi bhee ashya " Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. Regards, Varun Trivedi , Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya upay kiya jaye. > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol data hai. > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein ashya badal jati hai. > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho. > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee lein. > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. > Mahajan > ? > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM > > Varun ji, > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may > be > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > >> > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison > >> combination). > >> > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > >> > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. > >> > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce > the > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this > >> remedy could work, else not. > >> > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person > elevated > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). > >> > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > >> > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > >> > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > >> > >> Thanking you, > >> Best Wishes, > >> Vijay Goel > >> Jaipur. > >> > >> > >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, > >>> > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > water > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 > days > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > should > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. > >>> > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in > the > >>> line : > >>> > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > >>> > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > >>> > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon > and > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. > >>> > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > has a > >>> better explanation. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Varun Trivedi > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , kulbir bance > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Varun ji, > >>> > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > >>> > combination. > >>> > > >>> > Regards. > >>> > > >>> > Kulbir > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > alcohol is > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > example, in > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would > help. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory > statements in terms > >>> of > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat > and says : > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta > ho⤠[ > >>> 1952 > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through > the health > >>> loss, > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the > Saturn itself > >>> when > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a > malefic; because > >>> in > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Regards, > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Varun ji, > >>> > >> > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect > health > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine > for health > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable > only when mars > >>> in > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use > alchohol only when > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health > it is good to > >>> > >> abstain. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Kulbir > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> -- > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Sent from my mobile device > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Mahajan ji, Thanx for ur inputs. It is best to stick to basics. Sometimes it happens that simple things are more difficult to handle as there is a tendency to dig more and thus complicate. With due respect. Kulbir. On 2/11/09, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54 wrote: > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee nahi, lekin > kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to ashiya hai,unka prayog > kyon nahi ? > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan kahin bhee > yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki madad lein, > Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh jate hain ki yahan > par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya upay kiya jaye. > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain. lekin upay kya kiya jaye koi nahi > janta(yeh aap ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone chala rakhi hai unn > ke liye likh rahan hoon) issliye har LK ka jankar apne hisab se hee upay > bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad > kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol data hai. > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki uss khana > no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah ki koi bhee ashya > maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh poti(grand daughter) kahin > saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein ashya badal jati hai. > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss liye yahan > par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki apni marzi se Badam > ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee upay karte hain aap gaur > karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee > padega.Agar aap ooper likhit ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki > jatak ko fayda na ho. > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain kripya > usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho sake kyonki gyan > bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh ke baare likha hai ki > BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk > 1942 line1-2). > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye ka jawab > dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi zaroorat nahi > kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki position na dekhe sirf > bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee lein. > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. > Mahajan > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM > > Varun ji, > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >> Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body >> comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding alchohol i >> think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may > be >> wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case >> under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related >> to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think >> body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: >>> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >>> >>> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga (poison >>> combination). >>> >>> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >>> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >>> >>> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your goodselves. >>> >>> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce > the >>> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than this >>> remedy could work, else not. >>> >>> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is making the >>> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) which >>> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person > elevated >>> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >>> >>> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this poison, >>> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >>> >>> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like orange >>> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in the body] >>> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as it >>> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >>> >>> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >>> >>> Thanking you, >>> Best Wishes, >>> Vijay Goel >>> Jaipur. >>> >>> >>> >>> , " varun_trvd " >>> <varun_trvd wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >>>> >>>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > water >>>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, for 43 > days >>>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > should >>>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing else. >>>> >>>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly be in > the >>>> line : >>>> >>>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >>>> >>>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >>>> >>>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to moon > and >>>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >>>> >>>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > has a >>>> better explanation. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Varun Trivedi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , kulbir bance >>>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Varun ji, >>>> > >>>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >>>> > combination. >>>> > >>>> > Regards. >>>> > >>>> > Kulbir >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > alcohol is >>>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > example, in >>>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would > help. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory > statements in terms >>>> of >>>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat > and says : >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta > ho†[ >>>> 1952 >>>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through > the health >>>> loss, >>>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the > Saturn itself >>>> when >>>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a > malefic; because >>>> in >>>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Regards, >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Varun Trivedi >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > , kulbir bance >>>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Varun ji, >>>> > >> >>>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect > health >>>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine > for health >>>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable > only when mars >>>> in >>>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use > alchohol only when >>>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health > it is good to >>>> > >> abstain. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Kulbir >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -- >>>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Sent from my mobile device >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Vijay ji, that is what i meant, liquor is prepared by distillation, hence the alchohol i.e. saturn part is much pure or unadulterated. since mahjan ji preferred the use of neat liquor, it struck me that beer would not suit the purpose. with regards kulbir On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: Respected Kulbhir Bhai,a) " BEER is not alchohol diluted with water. " Ha ha , i know since i was the student of chemistry, it is a fermentation of agri product, but % of alcohol is far less and i assumed rest is water. b) " i can't understand as to how person/self/body comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. " I am not saying that venus is body.c) " Regarding alchohol i think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may be wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In the case under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be related to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I think body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. " Mer+ketu as explained above is right.Physical body is represented by ascendent and also by moon in traditional astrology not by sun.Thanking you,Best Wishes,Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Sadar Pranam, aap ne ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki madad lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta hai ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad With Regards Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi) , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > Beautifully put !! > > I agree with you when you say: > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah > ki koi bhee ashya " > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , Hemant Mohan > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya > upay kiya jaye. > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol > data hai. > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein > ashya badal jati hai. > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho. > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee > lein. > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. > > Mahajan > > ? > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon > > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM > > > > Varun ji, > > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. > > > > Regards. > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding > alchohol i > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may > > be > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In > the case > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be > related > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I > think > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. > Kulbir. > > > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > >> > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga > (poison > > >> combination). > > >> > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > >> > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > goodselves. > > >> > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce > > the > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than > this > > >> remedy could work, else not. > > >> > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is > making the > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) > which > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person > > elevated > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > >> > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this > poison, > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > >> > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like > orange > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in > the body] > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as > it > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > >> > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > >> > > >> Thanking you, > > >> Best Wishes, > > >> Vijay Goel > > >> Jaipur. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >>> > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > > water > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, > for 43 > > days > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > > should > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing > else. > > >>> > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly > be in > > the > > >>> line : > > >>> > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > >>> > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > >>> > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to > moon > > and > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > >>> > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > > has a > > >>> better explanation. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Varun Trivedi > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> , kulbir bance > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Varun ji, > > >>> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > >>> > combination. > > >>> > > > >>> > Regards. > > >>> > > > >>> > Kulbir > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > > alcohol is > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > > example, in > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would > > help. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory > > statements in terms > > >>> of > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat > > and says : > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta > > ho⤠[ > > >>> 1952 > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through > > the health > > >>> loss, > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the > > Saturn itself > > >>> when > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a > > malefic; because > > >>> in > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Regards, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Varun ji, > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect > > health > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine > > for health > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable > > only when mars > > >>> in > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use > > alchohol only when > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health > > it is good to > > >>> > >> abstain. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Kulbir > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> -- > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > -- > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Respected Kulbir ji, i think Mr. mahajan is busy so he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr. mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house ,upay should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th house. With Regards Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi) , " vishalastrologer " <vishalastrologer wrote: > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > Sadar Pranam, > > aap ne > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki madad > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta hai > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad > > With Regards > > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi) > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > Beautifully put !! > > > > I agree with you when you say: > > > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah > > ki koi bhee ashya " > > > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya > > upay kiya jaye. > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol > > data hai. > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein > > ashya badal jati hai. > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho. > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee > > lein. > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. > > > Mahajan > > > ? > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon > > > > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part is > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how person/self/body > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding > > alchohol i > > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may > > > be > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In > > the case > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be > > related > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I > > think > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, > > > >> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga > > (poison > > > >> combination). > > > >> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. > > > >> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your > > goodselves. > > > >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce > > > the > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than > > this > > > >> remedy could work, else not. > > > >> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is > > making the > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) > > which > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person > > > elevated > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). > > > >> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this > > poison, > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. > > > >> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like > > orange > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in > > the body] > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as > > it > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. > > > >> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. > > > >> > > > >> Thanking you, > > > >> Best Wishes, > > > >> Vijay Goel > > > >> Jaipur. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> , " varun_trvd " > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >>> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink > > > water > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, > > for 43 > > > days > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words he > > > should > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing > > else. > > > >>> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly > > be in > > > the > > > >>> line : > > > >>> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " > > > >>> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] > > > >>> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to > > moon > > > and > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. > > > >>> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some one > > > has a > > > >>> better explanation. > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> , kulbir bance > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Varun ji, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > >>> > combination. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Regards. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Kulbir > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to > > > alcohol is > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for > > > example, in > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would > > > help. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory > > > statements in terms > > > >>> of > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat > > > and says : > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta > > > ho⤠[ > > > >>> 1952 > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through > > > the health > > > >>> loss, > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the > > > Saturn itself > > > >>> when > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a > > > malefic; because > > > >>> in > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Regards, > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > , kulbir bance > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji, > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect > > > health > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine > > > for health > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable > > > only when mars > > > >>> in > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use > > > alchohol only when > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health > > > it is good to > > > >>> > >> abstain. > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> Kulbir > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> -- > > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > -- > > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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