Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Varun ji, saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to abstain. Kulbir -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is likely to turn Saturn malefic. But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms of Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ 1952 urdu ed ; page 605 ] Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health loss, then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself when used as upaya and in moderation. But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because in the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Varun ji, > > saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to> abstain. > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Varun ji, how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon combination. Regards. Kulbir On 2/9/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms of > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho†[ 1952 > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health loss, > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself when > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because in > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Varun ji, >> >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >> abstain. >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Kulbir Jee, Mere apne vichar se to yehi behtar hoga ki aap sharab ko neet hee lein.woh bhee sirf bimari ki halat mein.sirf ek chamach aur baki doctor ki medicine avash lein. behtar to yehi hoga ki aap Homeopath medicine lein (mother tincher liqued ) or uss mein bhee pani na milaya jaye. Mahajan --- On Mon, 2/9/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: kulbir bance <kulbirbanceLK discussion group Re: Saturn in 4 Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 2:27 PMVarun ji, how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon combination. Regards. Kulbir On 2/9/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms of > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤦amp;nbsp; [ 1952 > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health loss, > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself when > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because in > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Varun ji, >> >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >> abstain. >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, An excellent suggestion. If the liquor is to be taken by way of an upaya, it should not be mixed with water [ moon]. Regards, Varun Trivedi , Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Kulbir Jee, > Mere apne vichar se to yehi behtar hoga ki aap sharab ko neet hee lein.woh bhee sirf bimari ki halat mein.sirf ek chamach aur baki doctor ki medicine avash lein. behtar to yehi hoga ki aap Homeopath medicine lein (mother tincher liqued ) or uss mein bhee pani na milaya jaye. > Mahajan? > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in 4 > > Monday, February 9, 2009, 2:27 PM > > Varun ji, > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > combination. > > Regards. > > Kulbir > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol is > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in terms of > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and says : > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤠[ 1952 > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health loss, > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself when > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; because in > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Varun ji, > >> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when mars in > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to > >> abstain. > >> > >> Kulbir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Respected Varun g, Mahajan g,Kulbir g Pranam, hu to jyotish ka vidyarthi.kintu phir b apni chhoti akal se kulbir g ke swaal moon+sat ka jwab dene ki koshish karuga.agar galti ho to apna chhota bhai samajh ke maaf kar dijiye ga .sani 4th ghar me shrab ko as a medicine lene ke pichhe jo karan ho sakta hai wo rahasya{raaz} is line me chhupa hai. GHAR CHAL KAR JO AAYA CHOTHHE TASIR CHANDAR WO HOTA HAI. ASAR MAGAR WAHAN DETA SHANI JAHAN PAR BETHA HOTA. is liye 4th house mein shani wale ko drink lene se pehle chandar ki position bhi dekh leni chahye.kyoki us samay yaadi chandar 6,8 ya 12 ya kisi aur roop me manda hua to drink lena hanikarak b ho sakta hai.thanx KUNWAR VISHAL , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > An excellent suggestion. > > If the liquor is to be taken by way of an upaya, it should not be > mixed with water [ moon]. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , Hemant Mohan > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > Kulbir Jee, > > Mere apne vichar se to yehi behtar hoga ki aap sharab ko neet hee > lein.woh bhee sirf bimari ki halat mein.sirf ek chamach aur baki > doctor ki medicine avash lein. behtar to yehi hoga ki aap Homeopath > medicine lein (mother tincher liqued ) or uss mein bhee pani na > milaya jaye. > > Mahajan? > > > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in 4 > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009, 2:27 PM > > > > Varun ji, > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > combination. > > > > Regards. > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol > is > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in > terms of > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤠[ 1952 > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health > loss, > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself > when > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; > because in > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Varun ji, > > >> > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when > mars in > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to > > >> abstain. > > >> > > >> Kulbir > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Aadarneeya Vishal ji, ati sundar ! bahut sundar baat kahi hai apane. chandra ki sthiti dekhana bhi aavashyak hoga. sa-adar, Varun Trivedi , " vishalastrologer " <vishalastrologer wrote: > > > Respected Varun g, Mahajan g,Kulbir g > > Pranam, > > hu to jyotish ka > vidyarthi.kintu phir b apni chhoti akal se kulbir g ke swaal moon+sat ka > jwab dene ki koshish karuga.agar galti ho to apna chhota bhai samajh ke > maaf kar dijiye ga .sani 4th ghar me shrab ko as a medicine lene ke > pichhe jo karan ho sakta hai wo rahasya{raaz} is line me chhupa hai. > > GHAR CHAL KAR JO AAYA CHOTHHE TASIR CHANDAR WO HOTA HAI. > > ASAR MAGAR WAHAN DETA SHANI JAHAN PAR BETHA HOTA. > > is liye 4th house mein shani wale ko drink lene se pehle chandar ki > position bhi dekh leni chahye.kyoki us samay yaadi chandar 6,8 ya 12 ya > kisi aur roop me manda hua to drink lena hanikarak b ho sakta hai.thanx > > KUNWAR VISHAL > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > An excellent suggestion. > > > > If the liquor is to be taken by way of an upaya, it should not be > > mixed with water [ moon]. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hemant Mohan > > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir Jee, > > > Mere apne vichar se to yehi behtar hoga ki aap sharab ko neet hee > > lein.woh bhee sirf bimari ki halat mein.sirf ek chamach aur baki > > doctor ki medicine avash lein. behtar to yehi hoga ki aap Homeopath > > medicine lein (mother tincher liqued ) or uss mein bhee pani na > > milaya jaye. > > > Mahajan? > > > > > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > > > > > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in 4 > > > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009, 2:27 PM > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon > > > combination. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol > > is > > > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in > > > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in > > terms of > > > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and > > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤠[ > 1952 > > > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health > > loss, > > > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself > > when > > > > used as upaya and in moderation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; > > because in > > > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Varun ji, > > > >> > > > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health > > > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health > > > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when > > mars in > > > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when > > > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to > > > >> abstain. > > > >> > > > >> Kulbir > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Sent from my mobile device > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Vishal ji, you are right. Otherwise also it has been mentioned for saturn + moon combination that saturn will give malefic results only when moon is benefic. Since the relation is inveresly proportional. Nature of moon is a substantial consideration. We all are students so plz don't hesitate to share whatever ur views are. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/10/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > > Respected Varun g, Mahajan g,Kulbir g > > Pranam, > > hu to jyotish ka > vidyarthi.kintu phir b apni chhoti akal se kulbir g ke swaal moon+sat ka > jwab dene ki koshish karuga.agar galti ho to apna chhota bhai samajh ke > maaf kar dijiye ga .sani 4th ghar me shrab ko as a medicine lene ke > pichhe jo karan ho sakta hai wo rahasya{raaz} is line me chhupa hai. > > GHAR CHAL KAR JO AAYA CHOTHHE TASIR CHANDAR WO HOTA HAI. > > ASAR MAGAR WAHAN DETA SHANI JAHAN PAR BETHA HOTA. > > is liye 4th house mein shani wale ko drink lene se pehle chandar ki > position bhi dekh leni chahye.kyoki us samay yaadi chandar 6,8 ya 12 ya > kisi aur roop me manda hua to drink lena hanikarak b ho sakta hai.thanx > > KUNWAR VISHAL > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd wrote: >> >> Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> An excellent suggestion. >> >> If the liquor is to be taken by way of an upaya, it should not be >> mixed with water [ moon]. >> >> Regards, >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , Hemant Mohan >> heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > >> > Kulbir Jee, >> > Mere apne vichar se to yehi behtar hoga ki aap sharab ko neet hee >> lein.woh bhee sirf bimari ki halat mein.sirf ek chamach aur baki >> doctor ki medicine avash lein. behtar to yehi hoga ki aap Homeopath >> medicine lein (mother tincher liqued ) or uss mein bhee pani na >> milaya jaye. >> > Mahajan? >> > >> > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > >> > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ >> > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in 4 >> > >> > Monday, February 9, 2009, 2:27 PM >> > >> > Varun ji, >> > >> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >> > combination. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Kulbir >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to alcohol >> is >> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for example, in >> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would help. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory statements in >> terms of >> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat and >> says : >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta ho⤠[ > 1952 >> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through the health >> loss, >> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the Saturn itself >> when >> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a malefic; >> because in >> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > , kulbir bance >> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Varun ji, >> > >> >> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect health >> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine for health >> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable only when >> mars in >> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use alchohol only when >> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health it is good to >> > >> abstain. >> > >> >> > >> Kulbir >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Sent from my mobile device >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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