Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Varun ji; what exactly i mean to say is that the last eition of lalkitab was printed in 1952, there is gap of 12 years between the last 2 editions. pt ji practised this system and continued to do so untill he left this world. didn't these grammar anamolies appear to him, did he deliberatetely chose to turn a blind eye to it. or may i dare to say that even he didn't know how to apply it exactly for he was an honest man and coldn't have tried to conceal something. this again retreiates that he honesty passed on all information that he had alongwith unexplained portions that must have appeared/appealed for him to write it down as it is so that someone can decipher its application some later day. in a way lalkitab's 1952 edition didn't conclude lalkitab, instead it started the phenomenon to proceed, which got propelled by inernet. some scholars have some rare insights into this and can be helpful but the problem is there reputation is at stake if there views are not acceped and they don't want to go by ananymous ids because they can't digest that there knowledge or fruits of labour for years would be designated to some one non existent and there explanation if accepted will go unrewarded. one of my gurus whom i deeply respect cautioned me that i rather we should not have raised this issue of 35 saala chakkar intill i/we were 100% sure about it. but with due regards to him knowing that we don't know; why don't accept the fact and share wharever information we have. who knows someone may pick an idea from the discussion and advance in this field. when pt Roop lal ji shared all information whatever he had no matter the source, what authority do we have to conceal even our OPINIONS on stuff written therein regards and lot of respect kulbir On 1/26/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: Varun ji, regarding the anamoly pointed out by pt bhooshanpriya ji inthe example quoted therein that mercury cannot operate during years preceeding saturn because of being dormant. Then 2 conditions arise 1.The example explained with table on page 93 of armaan is merelytheoretical as it assumes all planets preeding venus to be awake. Soplanet's supt or jagrit position is of no significance OR 2. This point was rectified or an attempt to correction was made in latereditions Or 3. We are still missing something crucial. At least 4 meit is turning out to be compilation of several padhitis. Or to saymany sub systems in a comprehensive system where the student is left with the discretion to pick any system that appeals to him. But thegreatest anamoly is that why couldn't see and correct these anamolies.What are your views on thir. Plz don't go by the excuse that these had been worked upon and are lying in a safe or locker in canada. KulbirOn 1/27/09, < wrote:>> Dear Members, >>>> 35 year dasha chakra>>>> [ 35 year Dasha chakra should be used for the Varsh Phal chart where as> the traditional Vinshottari dasha should be used for the Janma Kundali ] >>>>>> Lal Kitab suggests a 35 year dasha cycle. The sequence of the planets> and the dasha years in the dasha cycle are:>>>> Jupiter 6 yrs,> > sun 2 yrs,>> moon 1 yr,>> venus 3 yrs,>> mars 6 yrs,>> mercury 2 yrs,>> Saturn 6 years,>> rahu 6 yrs>> & ketu 3 yrs. >>>> [ arun sanhita 1952 ed; page 10].>>>> In order to remember the sequence, just remember the sequence in which> the planets have been placed and described in the all the books of Lal > Kitab.>>>> Within the dasha of a planet there are three antardashas of equal> duration. For example the antar dasha sequence within the Jupiter dasha> is ketu, Jupiter and sun. Each planet will have a period of two > years.Therefore the first segment will be Jupiter / ketu,>> the second Jupiter / Jupiter ; and the third Jupiter / sun .>>>> [ see page 8. Arun Sanhita 1952 ed ]> >>> Unfortunately, the book carries just a small paragraph on this 35 year> dasha chakra. It is too sketchy. It neither explains how to calculate> the dasha nor its phal [ results ].> > At least I have not come across any evidence, from the written material> that we have, that Pt. Roopchand ji used this dasha himself.>>>> Since there are no instructions as to how the dasha cycle will be > calculated, Lal Kitab scholars have come up with various alternatives> as to how it should be calculated.>>>> [ A ] One of the LK scholar in his recently published book has suggested > that the dasha should be calculated on the basis of Janma samay ka grah> [ planet of the time of birth ].>>>> The fallacy of this argument is that all those born during dark nights > or Krishna Paksha and on cloudy days will start their dasha with Saturn.> Hence more than half of the horoscopes will have Saturn as their> starting dasha. That does not sound reasonable nor probable. >>>> [ B ] The other alternative suggested is that the dasha should be> calculated on the basis of the planet of the day [ janma din ka grah ].>>>> If that being so, then no body would ever start the dasha with either > Rahu or ketu. Both these planets have not been assigned any day to them.> That again would not be probable.>>>> [ C ] An alternative procedure to draw up the 35 year dasha cycle > system has been proposed known as the ‘grah ka daura’> solution.>>>> The premises of the solution are that:>>>> [a] which ever grah reaches the 1st house first will be taken as the > operating planet from that year onwards for the 35 year dasha cycle.>>>> in case there are more than one grah reaching the throne [ 1st house> ] then the grah starting the dasha will be decided according to the > sequence of planets laid down for the 35 year dasha cycle. For example> if both venus and the Saturn reach the first house then it is the venus> which will be taken as the operating planet because the venus has a > precedence over Saturn in the sequence.>>>> [c] If a planet reaches the 1st house in the 3rd year then the initial> two years of the native will be supposed to be under the dasha of the > planet preceding that reached planet in the sequence.>>>> Now let us take up an example horoscope and see what happens :>>>> Horoscope :>>> > Fourth house : Saturn, rahu>> Fifth house : moon, mercury, venus>> Sixth house : sun , mars, jupiter>> Tenth house : ketu>>>> [ a common vedic astrology partial kal amrit / kal sarp horoscope] >>>> Saturn and rahu will be the first planets to reach the 1st house in the> 4th year. Since the Saturn has precedence over rahu in the 35 year> dasha cycle, therefore it will be the Saturn which will be assumed to > operate from the 4th year till the 9th year. Then Rahu will take over> for 6 years till the 15th year and then Ketu and so on.>>>> So far so good; no problem.>>> > Now let us work out the operating planets from birth till the 4th year> before the Saturn takes over.>> The preceding planet to the Saturn in the 35 year dasha cycle is> mercury. Now let us see whether mercury will be operative or not. If you > notice mercury is a dormant planet ‘soya hua grah’. Now> how can mercury be an operating planet if he himself is not awakened?>> Let us move to the next one preceding the mercury and that one is Mars. > Unfortunately mars too is dormant. You will notice that we will have to> move down all the way to Ketu because all the planets in between are> dormant.>> Therefore ketu will be the operating planet for the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd > year of the native.>>>> Thus the 35 year cycle of the native based on ‘grah ka> daura’ solution will look like this :>>>> Ketu : 1 to 3>> Saturn : 4 to 9 >> Rahu : 10 to 15>> Ketu : 16 to 18>> Jupiter : 19 to 24>>>> And so on….>>>> Did you notice the anomaly?>> >> When we say that it is a 35 year cycle, it implies that a planet will> repeat itself only after the cycle of 35 years is complete. In the above> cycle for the native Ketu repeats itself much before the cycle is > completed. Secondly the sequence had to be altered, instead of mercury> preceding the Saturn, it is the ketu operating before Saturn.>>>> Therefore the grah ka daura solution can be used only if you are > prepared to accept that :>>>> [ a ] a planet can become operative in the 35year dasha cycle even> though it is dormant or soya hua for all other purposes in the horoscope> and has yet to awaken. >>>> [ b ] That the sanctity of the term cycle [ chakra ] has no meaning or> is not relevant as far as the 35 year dasha is concerned and a planet> can become operative even if the cycle is not complete. Remember the Lal > Kitab talks about quite a few cycles in various other contexts.>>>> Hence all the three suggested methods are ruled out as not being logical> or probable.>>> > Then what could be the other logical solution?>>>> The concept of a short duration dasha system is not new. The traditional> vedic astrology already uses a 36 year dasha system known as Yogini > dasha system. It is very popular in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh,> and the Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal area.>> Most of the horoscopes cast by the Pundits from these areas will> invariably have this Yogini dasha elaborated and plotted in the > horoscope. Since the Lal Kitab also>> originates from the same geographical region , it is but natural that> the Lal Kitab paddhati also has a similar short duration dasha system.>> >> Therefore the 35 year dasha chakra is not an innovative suggestion> coming out of the blue. It is a part of a well established astrology> tradition of short duration dasha>> systems. The 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab is, therefore, > addressed to the pundits and the readers who were already familiar with> another equally popular short>> duration dasha system namely the Yogini dasha.>>>> That being the case, pt. Roopchand ji took it for granted that the > pundits and other readers of the Lal Kitab would already be familiar> with the method of calculation and also the dasha phal [ result of the> dasha]. Since all astrologers calculated the dashas manually they all > knew how to go about it because in the earlier times every student of> astrology had to do a rigorous course on the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic> of astrology ]. He, therefore,>> did not elaborate the procedure to calculate the dasha. He did not talk > about the dasha phal either. He did not have to elaborate on the dasha> results because a huge amount of literature on the dasha phal is already> available in old Sanskrit classics.>>> > I have been using the 35year dasha chakra to study the Varsh Phal chart.> I have intentionally chosen to use this 35 year dasha chakra for the> Varsh Phal chart>> only; because both the varsh phal chart and the 35 year dasha chakra > system are exclusively Lal Kitab concepts and hence compatible with each> other. While analyzing>> the Janma Kundali I use the traditional Vedic astrology Vinshottari> dasha system because these two are compatible; both of the traditional > vedic origin.>>>> Therefore in order to calculate the 35 year dasha chakra , I use the> same method which is used for calculating the Yogini or the Vinsottari> dasha systems. I calculate the 35 year dasha chakra based on the > movement of the moon, or what is known in the traditional Vedic> astrology as nakshtreeya [ of nakshatra ]. Those who are familiar with> the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic of astrology ] and know how to manually > calculate the Yogini dasha or>> the Vinshottari dasha , can work out the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal> Kitab within no time.>>>> Those familiar with NC Lahiri’s ephemeris would know how to look > up the starting point of the Vinshottari dasha from the table. Similarly> a table can be made for the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab. It> took me a couple of hours to prepare a table for the 35 year dasha > chakra of the Lal Kitab. Once you have the table it takes just a couple> of seconds to get the starting point of the dasha.>>>> The starting point of the Lal Kitab 35 year dasha cycle can be worked > out very easily with the help of the excel sheet in the folder> containing articles on LK grammar.>>>> I am reproducing below a part of the table of the Lal Kitab 35 year> dasha chakra from the excel sheet given in the folder for articles on > LK grammar:>>>>>> The balance of the Jupiter dasha will be according to the following> table if the Moon is in Aries, Leo and Sagittarius at the following> degrees. >>>>>>>> Degrees of Balance of Jupiter>> The moon Dasha left [bhogyansh]>>>> Deg �� " min day/ month/year >> 0 �� " 0 0 �� " 0 �� " 6>> 0 �� " 20 6 �� " 10 - 5>> 0 �� " 40 12 �� " 8 �� " 5 >> 1 �� " 0 18 �� " 6 �� " 5>> 1 �� " 20 24 �� " 4 �� " 5>> 1 �� " 40 0 �� " 3 �� " 5 >> 2 �� " 0 6 �� " 1 �� " 5>> 2 �� " 20 12 �� " 11 �� " 4>> 2 �� " 40 18 �� " 9 �� " 4 >> 3 �� " 0 24 �� " 7 �� " 4>> 3 �� " 20 0 �� " 6 �� " 4>> 3 �� " 40 6 �� " 4 �� " 4 >> 4 �� " 0 12 �� " 2 �� " 4>> 4 �� " 20 18 �� " 0 �� " 4>> 4 �� " 40 24 �� " 10 �� " 3 >> 5 �� " 0 0 �� " 9 �� " 3>> 5 �� " 20 6 �� " 7 �� " 3>> 5 �� " 40 12 �� " 5 �� " 3 >> 6 �� " 0 18 �� " 3 �� " 3>> 6 �� " 20 24 �� " 1 �� " 3>> 6 �� " 40 0 �� " 0 �� " 3 >> 7 �� " 0 6 �� " 10 �� " 2>> 7 �� " 20 12 �� " 8 �� " 2>> 7 �� " 40 18 �� " 6 �� " 2 >> 8 �� " 0 24 �� " 4 �� " 2>> 8 �� " 20 0 �� " 3 �� " 2>> 8 �� " 40 6 �� " 1 �� " 2 >> 9 �� " 0 12 �� " 11 �� " 1>> 9 �� " 20 18 �� " 9 �� " 1>> 9 �� " 40 24 �� " 7 �� " 1 >> 10- 0 0 �� " 6 �� " 1>> 10 �� " 20 6 �� " 4 �� " 1>> 10 �� " 40 12 �� " 2 �� " 1> > 11 �� " 0 18 �� " 0 �� " 1>> 11 �� " 20 24 �� " 10 �� " 0>> 11 �� " 40 0 �� " 9 �� " 0> > 12 �� " 0 6 �� " 7 �� " 0>> 12 �� " 20 12 �� " 5 �� " 0>> 12 �� " 40 18 �� " 3 �� " 0> > 13 �� " 0 24 �� " 1 �� " 0>> 13 �� " 20 0 �� " 0 - 0>>>>>> Since I go by the traditional method I have used the lunar year of 360 > days. In olden time the dasha were calculated and mentioned in the> horoscope in terms of Hindi month and Tithi and Samvat year. If you have> a look at sixty or seventy year old horoscopes, you will notice that > they do not even mention the English dates; the date of birth is> mentioned according to Hindu calendar and the time of birth in ghati and> pal.>>>> In order to bring the Lunar year on par with the solar year a correction > of 5 days per year has to be carried out while calculating the dasha to> bring it on par with the English dates. Once this correction is carried> out the dasha becomes compatible with the English dates. >>>> In the table , if you notice , the balance of Jupiter’s dasha> period at 0d-0m is 6 years and at 13d20’ it is zero.> 13d20’ is the value of a nakshatra.>> >>>> For example if the moon is at 8 degrees and 40’ in Leo then the> balance of the Jupiter dasha yet to follow will be 6 days, 1 month and 2> years [ bhogyansh �� " hissa jo bhogana baqi hai] . In other words > at the time of birth the native has already exhausted 24 days, 10> months and 3 years in his mother’s womb [ bhuktansh �� " > hissa jo bhoga ja chuka hai ]>>>> Of this bhogyansh 6 days and 1 month will be the Jupiter antardasha > within the Jupiter dasha followed by the whole period of 2 years of the> Sun’s antardasha within the Jupiter dasha.>>>> Bhooshan Priya>>>> Next : Dasha explained through an example as to how it is worked out and > the result read>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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