Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Respected pt ji; gratitude can not be expressed in words. In the example kundali that is to follow plz elaborate the role played by planets of antardasha. Regards kulbir On 1/27/09, < wrote: > > Dear Members, > > > > 35 year dasha chakra > > > > [ 35 year Dasha chakra should be used for the Varsh Phal chart where as > the traditional Vinshottari dasha should be used for the Janma Kundali ] > > > > > > Lal Kitab suggests a 35 year dasha cycle. The sequence of the planets > and the dasha years in the dasha cycle are: > > > > Jupiter 6 yrs, > > sun 2 yrs, > > moon 1 yr, > > venus 3 yrs, > > mars 6 yrs, > > mercury 2 yrs, > > Saturn 6 years, > > rahu 6 yrs > > & ketu 3 yrs. > > > > [ arun sanhita 1952 ed; page 10]. > > > > In order to remember the sequence, just remember the sequence in which > the planets have been placed and described in the all the books of Lal > Kitab. > > > > Within the dasha of a planet there are three antardashas of equal > duration. For example the antar dasha sequence within the Jupiter dasha > is ketu, Jupiter and sun. Each planet will have a period of two > years.Therefore the first segment will be Jupiter / ketu, > > the second Jupiter / Jupiter ; and the third Jupiter / sun . > > > > [ see page 8. Arun Sanhita 1952 ed ] > > > > Unfortunately, the book carries just a small paragraph on this 35 year > dasha chakra. It is too sketchy. It neither explains how to calculate > the dasha nor its phal [ results ]. > > At least I have not come across any evidence, from the written material > that we have, that Pt. Roopchand ji used this dasha himself. > > > > Since there are no instructions as to how the dasha cycle will be > calculated, Lal Kitab scholars have come up with various alternatives > as to how it should be calculated. > > > > [ A ] One of the LK scholar in his recently published book has suggested > that the dasha should be calculated on the basis of Janma samay ka grah > [ planet of the time of birth ]. > > > > The fallacy of this argument is that all those born during dark nights > or Krishna Paksha and on cloudy days will start their dasha with Saturn. > Hence more than half of the horoscopes will have Saturn as their > starting dasha. That does not sound reasonable nor probable. > > > > [ B ] The other alternative suggested is that the dasha should be > calculated on the basis of the planet of the day [ janma din ka grah ]. > > > > If that being so, then no body would ever start the dasha with either > Rahu or ketu. Both these planets have not been assigned any day to them. > That again would not be probable. > > > > [ C ] An alternative procedure to draw up the 35 year dasha cycle > system has been proposed known as the ‘grah ka daura’ > solution. > > > > The premises of the solution are that: > > > > [a] which ever grah reaches the 1st house first will be taken as the > operating planet from that year onwards for the 35 year dasha cycle. > > > > in case there are more than one grah reaching the throne [ 1st house > ] then the grah starting the dasha will be decided according to the > sequence of planets laid down for the 35 year dasha cycle. For example > if both venus and the Saturn reach the first house then it is the venus > which will be taken as the operating planet because the venus has a > precedence over Saturn in the sequence. > > > > [c] If a planet reaches the 1st house in the 3rd year then the initial > two years of the native will be supposed to be under the dasha of the > planet preceding that reached planet in the sequence. > > > > Now let us take up an example horoscope and see what happens : > > > > Horoscope : > > > > Fourth house : Saturn, rahu > > Fifth house : moon, mercury, venus > > Sixth house : sun , mars, jupiter > > Tenth house : ketu > > > > [ a common vedic astrology partial kal amrit / kal sarp horoscope] > > > > Saturn and rahu will be the first planets to reach the 1st house in the > 4th year. Since the Saturn has precedence over rahu in the 35 year > dasha cycle, therefore it will be the Saturn which will be assumed to > operate from the 4th year till the 9th year. Then Rahu will take over > for 6 years till the 15th year and then Ketu and so on. > > > > So far so good; no problem. > > > > Now let us work out the operating planets from birth till the 4th year > before the Saturn takes over. > > The preceding planet to the Saturn in the 35 year dasha cycle is > mercury. Now let us see whether mercury will be operative or not. If you > notice mercury is a dormant planet ‘soya hua grah’. Now > how can mercury be an operating planet if he himself is not awakened? > > Let us move to the next one preceding the mercury and that one is Mars. > Unfortunately mars too is dormant. You will notice that we will have to > move down all the way to Ketu because all the planets in between are > dormant. > > Therefore ketu will be the operating planet for the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd > year of the native. > > > > Thus the 35 year cycle of the native based on ‘grah ka > daura’ solution will look like this : > > > > Ketu : 1 to 3 > > Saturn : 4 to 9 > > Rahu : 10 to 15 > > Ketu : 16 to 18 > > Jupiter : 19 to 24 > > > > And so on…. > > > > Did you notice the anomaly? > > > > When we say that it is a 35 year cycle, it implies that a planet will > repeat itself only after the cycle of 35 years is complete. In the above > cycle for the native Ketu repeats itself much before the cycle is > completed. Secondly the sequence had to be altered, instead of mercury > preceding the Saturn, it is the ketu operating before Saturn. > > > > Therefore the grah ka daura solution can be used only if you are > prepared to accept that : > > > > [ a ] a planet can become operative in the 35year dasha cycle even > though it is dormant or soya hua for all other purposes in the horoscope > and has yet to awaken. > > > > [ b ] That the sanctity of the term cycle [ chakra ] has no meaning or > is not relevant as far as the 35 year dasha is concerned and a planet > can become operative even if the cycle is not complete. Remember the Lal > Kitab talks about quite a few cycles in various other contexts. > > > > Hence all the three suggested methods are ruled out as not being logical > or probable. > > > > Then what could be the other logical solution? > > > > The concept of a short duration dasha system is not new. The traditional > vedic astrology already uses a 36 year dasha system known as Yogini > dasha system. It is very popular in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, > and the Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal area. > > Most of the horoscopes cast by the Pundits from these areas will > invariably have this Yogini dasha elaborated and plotted in the > horoscope. Since the Lal Kitab also > > originates from the same geographical region , it is but natural that > the Lal Kitab paddhati also has a similar short duration dasha system. > > > > Therefore the 35 year dasha chakra is not an innovative suggestion > coming out of the blue. It is a part of a well established astrology > tradition of short duration dasha > > systems. The 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab is, therefore, > addressed to the pundits and the readers who were already familiar with > another equally popular short > > duration dasha system namely the Yogini dasha. > > > > That being the case, pt. Roopchand ji took it for granted that the > pundits and other readers of the Lal Kitab would already be familiar > with the method of calculation and also the dasha phal [ result of the > dasha]. Since all astrologers calculated the dashas manually they all > knew how to go about it because in the earlier times every student of > astrology had to do a rigorous course on the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic > of astrology ]. He, therefore, > > did not elaborate the procedure to calculate the dasha. He did not talk > about the dasha phal either. He did not have to elaborate on the dasha > results because a huge amount of literature on the dasha phal is already > available in old Sanskrit classics. > > > > I have been using the 35year dasha chakra to study the Varsh Phal chart. > I have intentionally chosen to use this 35 year dasha chakra for the > Varsh Phal chart > > only; because both the varsh phal chart and the 35 year dasha chakra > system are exclusively Lal Kitab concepts and hence compatible with each > other. While analyzing > > the Janma Kundali I use the traditional Vedic astrology Vinshottari > dasha system because these two are compatible; both of the traditional > vedic origin. > > > > Therefore in order to calculate the 35 year dasha chakra , I use the > same method which is used for calculating the Yogini or the Vinsottari > dasha systems. I calculate the 35 year dasha chakra based on the > movement of the moon, or what is known in the traditional Vedic > astrology as nakshtreeya [ of nakshatra ]. Those who are familiar with > the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic of astrology ] and know how to manually > calculate the Yogini dasha or > > the Vinshottari dasha , can work out the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal > Kitab within no time. > > > > Those familiar with NC Lahiri’s ephemeris would know how to look > up the starting point of the Vinshottari dasha from the table. Similarly > a table can be made for the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab. It > took me a couple of hours to prepare a table for the 35 year dasha > chakra of the Lal Kitab. Once you have the table it takes just a couple > of seconds to get the starting point of the dasha. > > > > The starting point of the Lal Kitab 35 year dasha cycle can be worked > out very easily with the help of the excel sheet in the folder > containing articles on LK grammar. > > > > I am reproducing below a part of the table of the Lal Kitab 35 year > dasha chakra from the excel sheet given in the folder for articles on > LK grammar: > > > > > > The balance of the Jupiter dasha will be according to the following > table if the Moon is in Aries, Leo and Sagittarius at the following > degrees. > Degrees of Balance of Jupiter > > The moon Dasha left [bhogyansh] > > > > Deg �� " min day/ month/year > > 0 �� " 0 0 �� " 0 �� " 6 > > 0 �� " 20 6 �� " 10 - 5 > > 0 �� " 40 12 �� " 8 �� " 5 > > 1 �� " 0 18 �� " 6 �� " 5 > > 1 �� " 20 24 �� " 4 �� " 5 > > 1 �� " 40 0 �� " 3 �� " 5 > > 2 �� " 0 6 �� " 1 �� " 5 > > 2 �� " 20 12 �� " 11 �� " 4 > > 2 �� " 40 18 �� " 9 �� " 4 > > 3 �� " 0 24 �� " 7 �� " 4 > > 3 �� " 20 0 �� " 6 �� " 4 > > 3 �� " 40 6 �� " 4 �� " 4 > > 4 �� " 0 12 �� " 2 �� " 4 > > 4 �� " 20 18 �� " 0 �� " 4 > > 4 �� " 40 24 �� " 10 �� " 3 > > 5 �� " 0 0 �� " 9 �� " 3 > > 5 �� " 20 6 �� " 7 �� " 3 > > 5 �� " 40 12 �� " 5 �� " 3 > > 6 �� " 0 18 �� " 3 �� " 3 > > 6 �� " 20 24 �� " 1 �� " 3 > > 6 �� " 40 0 �� " 0 �� " 3 > > 7 �� " 0 6 �� " 10 �� " 2 > > 7 �� " 20 12 �� " 8 �� " 2 > > 7 �� " 40 18 �� " 6 �� " 2 > > 8 �� " 0 24 �� " 4 �� " 2 > > 8 �� " 20 0 �� " 3 �� " 2 > > 8 �� " 40 6 �� " 1 �� " 2 > > 9 �� " 0 12 �� " 11 �� " 1 > > 9 �� " 20 18 �� " 9 �� " 1 > > 9 �� " 40 24 �� " 7 �� " 1 > > 10- 0 0 �� " 6 �� " 1 > > 10 �� " 20 6 �� " 4 �� " 1 > > 10 �� " 40 12 �� " 2 �� " 1 > > 11 �� " 0 18 �� " 0 �� " 1 > > 11 �� " 20 24 �� " 10 �� " 0 > > 11 �� " 40 0 �� " 9 �� " 0 > > 12 �� " 0 6 �� " 7 �� " 0 > > 12 �� " 20 12 �� " 5 �� " 0 > > 12 �� " 40 18 �� " 3 �� " 0 > > 13 �� " 0 24 �� " 1 �� " 0 > > 13 �� " 20 0 �� " 0 - 0 > > > > > > Since I go by the traditional method I have used the lunar year of 360 > days. In olden time the dasha were calculated and mentioned in the > horoscope in terms of Hindi month and Tithi and Samvat year. If you have > a look at sixty or seventy year old horoscopes, you will notice that > they do not even mention the English dates; the date of birth is > mentioned according to Hindu calendar and the time of birth in ghati and > pal. > > > > In order to bring the Lunar year on par with the solar year a correction > of 5 days per year has to be carried out while calculating the dasha to > bring it on par with the English dates. Once this correction is carried > out the dasha becomes compatible with the English dates. > > > > In the table , if you notice , the balance of Jupiter’s dasha > period at 0d-0m is 6 years and at 13d20’ it is zero. > 13d20’ is the value of a nakshatra. > > > > > > For example if the moon is at 8 degrees and 40’ in Leo then the > balance of the Jupiter dasha yet to follow will be 6 days, 1 month and 2 > years [ bhogyansh �� " hissa jo bhogana baqi hai] . In other words > at the time of birth the native has already exhausted 24 days, 10 > months and 3 years in his mother’s womb [ bhuktansh �� " > hissa jo bhoga ja chuka hai ] > > > > Of this bhogyansh 6 days and 1 month will be the Jupiter antardasha > within the Jupiter dasha followed by the whole period of 2 years of the > Sun’s antardasha within the Jupiter dasha. > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > Next : Dasha explained through an example as to how it is worked out and > the result read > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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