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Respected pt ji;

 

gratitude can not be expressed in words. In the

example kundali that is to follow plz elaborate the role played by

planets of antardasha.

 

Regards

 

kulbir

 

 

 

 

On 1/27/09, < wrote:

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> Dear Members,

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> 35 year dasha chakra

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> [ 35 year Dasha chakra should be used for the Varsh Phal chart where as

> the traditional Vinshottari dasha should be used for the Janma Kundali ]

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> Lal Kitab suggests a 35 year dasha cycle. The sequence of the planets

> and the dasha years in the dasha cycle are:

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> Jupiter 6 yrs,

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> sun 2 yrs,

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> moon 1 yr,

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> venus 3 yrs,

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> mars 6 yrs,

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> mercury 2 yrs,

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> Saturn 6 years,

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> rahu 6 yrs

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> & ketu 3 yrs.

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> [ arun sanhita 1952 ed; page 10].

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> In order to remember the sequence, just remember the sequence in which

> the planets have been placed and described in the all the books of Lal

> Kitab.

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> Within the dasha of a planet there are three antardashas of equal

> duration. For example the antar dasha sequence within the Jupiter dasha

> is ketu, Jupiter and sun. Each planet will have a period of two

> years.Therefore the first segment will be Jupiter / ketu,

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> the second Jupiter / Jupiter ; and the third Jupiter / sun .

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> [ see page 8. Arun Sanhita 1952 ed ]

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> Unfortunately, the book carries just a small paragraph on this 35 year

> dasha chakra. It is too sketchy. It neither explains how to calculate

> the dasha nor its phal [ results ].

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> At least I have not come across any evidence, from the written material

> that we have, that Pt. Roopchand ji used this dasha himself.

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> Since there are no instructions as to how the dasha cycle will be

> calculated, Lal Kitab scholars have come up with various alternatives

> as to how it should be calculated.

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> [ A ] One of the LK scholar in his recently published book has suggested

> that the dasha should be calculated on the basis of Janma samay ka grah

> [ planet of the time of birth ].

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> The fallacy of this argument is that all those born during dark nights

> or Krishna Paksha and on cloudy days will start their dasha with Saturn.

> Hence more than half of the horoscopes will have Saturn as their

> starting dasha. That does not sound reasonable nor probable.

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> [ B ] The other alternative suggested is that the dasha should be

> calculated on the basis of the planet of the day [ janma din ka grah ].

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> If that being so, then no body would ever start the dasha with either

> Rahu or ketu. Both these planets have not been assigned any day to them.

> That again would not be probable.

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> [ C ] An alternative procedure to draw up the 35 year dasha cycle

> system has been proposed known as the ‘grah ka daura’

> solution.

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> The premises of the solution are that:

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> [a] which ever grah reaches the 1st house first will be taken as the

> operating planet from that year onwards for the 35 year dasha cycle.

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> in case there are more than one grah reaching the throne [ 1st house

> ] then the grah starting the dasha will be decided according to the

> sequence of planets laid down for the 35 year dasha cycle. For example

> if both venus and the Saturn reach the first house then it is the venus

> which will be taken as the operating planet because the venus has a

> precedence over Saturn in the sequence.

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> [c] If a planet reaches the 1st house in the 3rd year then the initial

> two years of the native will be supposed to be under the dasha of the

> planet preceding that reached planet in the sequence.

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> Now let us take up an example horoscope and see what happens :

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> Horoscope :

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> Fourth house : Saturn, rahu

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> Fifth house : moon, mercury, venus

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> Sixth house : sun , mars, jupiter

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> Tenth house : ketu

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> [ a common vedic astrology partial kal amrit / kal sarp horoscope]

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> Saturn and rahu will be the first planets to reach the 1st house in the

> 4th year. Since the Saturn has precedence over rahu in the 35 year

> dasha cycle, therefore it will be the Saturn which will be assumed to

> operate from the 4th year till the 9th year. Then Rahu will take over

> for 6 years till the 15th year and then Ketu and so on.

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> So far so good; no problem.

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> Now let us work out the operating planets from birth till the 4th year

> before the Saturn takes over.

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> The preceding planet to the Saturn in the 35 year dasha cycle is

> mercury. Now let us see whether mercury will be operative or not. If you

> notice mercury is a dormant planet ‘soya hua grah’. Now

> how can mercury be an operating planet if he himself is not awakened?

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> Let us move to the next one preceding the mercury and that one is Mars.

> Unfortunately mars too is dormant. You will notice that we will have to

> move down all the way to Ketu because all the planets in between are

> dormant.

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> Therefore ketu will be the operating planet for the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd

> year of the native.

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> Thus the 35 year cycle of the native based on ‘grah ka

> daura’ solution will look like this :

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> Ketu : 1 to 3

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> Saturn : 4 to 9

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> Rahu : 10 to 15

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> Ketu : 16 to 18

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> Jupiter : 19 to 24

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> And so on….

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> Did you notice the anomaly?

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> When we say that it is a 35 year cycle, it implies that a planet will

> repeat itself only after the cycle of 35 years is complete. In the above

> cycle for the native Ketu repeats itself much before the cycle is

> completed. Secondly the sequence had to be altered, instead of mercury

> preceding the Saturn, it is the ketu operating before Saturn.

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> Therefore the grah ka daura solution can be used only if you are

> prepared to accept that :

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> [ a ] a planet can become operative in the 35year dasha cycle even

> though it is dormant or soya hua for all other purposes in the horoscope

> and has yet to awaken.

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> [ b ] That the sanctity of the term cycle [ chakra ] has no meaning or

> is not relevant as far as the 35 year dasha is concerned and a planet

> can become operative even if the cycle is not complete. Remember the Lal

> Kitab talks about quite a few cycles in various other contexts.

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> Hence all the three suggested methods are ruled out as not being logical

> or probable.

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> Then what could be the other logical solution?

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> The concept of a short duration dasha system is not new. The traditional

> vedic astrology already uses a 36 year dasha system known as Yogini

> dasha system. It is very popular in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh,

> and the Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal area.

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> Most of the horoscopes cast by the Pundits from these areas will

> invariably have this Yogini dasha elaborated and plotted in the

> horoscope. Since the Lal Kitab also

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> originates from the same geographical region , it is but natural that

> the Lal Kitab paddhati also has a similar short duration dasha system.

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> Therefore the 35 year dasha chakra is not an innovative suggestion

> coming out of the blue. It is a part of a well established astrology

> tradition of short duration dasha

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> systems. The 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab is, therefore,

> addressed to the pundits and the readers who were already familiar with

> another equally popular short

>

> duration dasha system namely the Yogini dasha.

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> That being the case, pt. Roopchand ji took it for granted that the

> pundits and other readers of the Lal Kitab would already be familiar

> with the method of calculation and also the dasha phal [ result of the

> dasha]. Since all astrologers calculated the dashas manually they all

> knew how to go about it because in the earlier times every student of

> astrology had to do a rigorous course on the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic

> of astrology ]. He, therefore,

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> did not elaborate the procedure to calculate the dasha. He did not talk

> about the dasha phal either. He did not have to elaborate on the dasha

> results because a huge amount of literature on the dasha phal is already

> available in old Sanskrit classics.

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> I have been using the 35year dasha chakra to study the Varsh Phal chart.

> I have intentionally chosen to use this 35 year dasha chakra for the

> Varsh Phal chart

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> only; because both the varsh phal chart and the 35 year dasha chakra

> system are exclusively Lal Kitab concepts and hence compatible with each

> other. While analyzing

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> the Janma Kundali I use the traditional Vedic astrology Vinshottari

> dasha system because these two are compatible; both of the traditional

> vedic origin.

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> Therefore in order to calculate the 35 year dasha chakra , I use the

> same method which is used for calculating the Yogini or the Vinsottari

> dasha systems. I calculate the 35 year dasha chakra based on the

> movement of the moon, or what is known in the traditional Vedic

> astrology as nakshtreeya [ of nakshatra ]. Those who are familiar with

> the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic of astrology ] and know how to manually

> calculate the Yogini dasha or

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> the Vinshottari dasha , can work out the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal

> Kitab within no time.

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> Those familiar with NC Lahiri’s ephemeris would know how to look

> up the starting point of the Vinshottari dasha from the table. Similarly

> a table can be made for the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab. It

> took me a couple of hours to prepare a table for the 35 year dasha

> chakra of the Lal Kitab. Once you have the table it takes just a couple

> of seconds to get the starting point of the dasha.

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> The starting point of the Lal Kitab 35 year dasha cycle can be worked

> out very easily with the help of the excel sheet in the folder

> containing articles on LK grammar.

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> I am reproducing below a part of the table of the Lal Kitab 35 year

> dasha chakra from the excel sheet given in the folder for articles on

> LK grammar:

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> The balance of the Jupiter dasha will be according to the following

> table if the Moon is in Aries, Leo and Sagittarius at the following

> degrees.

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Degrees of Balance of Jupiter

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> The moon Dasha left [bhogyansh]

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> Deg �� " min day/ month/year

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> 0 �� " 0 0 �� " 0 �� " 6

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> 0 �� " 20 6 �� " 10 - 5

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> 0 �� " 40 12 �� " 8 �� " 5

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> 1 �� " 0 18 �� " 6 �� " 5

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> 1 �� " 20 24 �� " 4 �� " 5

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> 1 �� " 40 0 �� " 3 �� " 5

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> 2 �� " 0 6 �� " 1 �� " 5

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> 2 �� " 20 12 �� " 11 �� " 4

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> 2 �� " 40 18 �� " 9 �� " 4

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> 3 �� " 0 24 �� " 7 �� " 4

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> 3 �� " 20 0 �� " 6 �� " 4

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> 3 �� " 40 6 �� " 4 �� " 4

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> 4 �� " 0 12 �� " 2 �� " 4

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> 4 �� " 20 18 �� " 0 �� " 4

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> 4 �� " 40 24 �� " 10 �� " 3

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> 5 �� " 0 0 �� " 9 �� " 3

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> 5 �� " 20 6 �� " 7 �� " 3

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> 5 �� " 40 12 �� " 5 �� " 3

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> 6 �� " 0 18 �� " 3 �� " 3

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> 6 �� " 20 24 �� " 1 �� " 3

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> 6 �� " 40 0 �� " 0 �� " 3

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> 7 �� " 0 6 �� " 10 �� " 2

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> 7 �� " 20 12 �� " 8 �� " 2

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> 7 �� " 40 18 �� " 6 �� " 2

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> 8 �� " 0 24 �� " 4 �� " 2

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> 8 �� " 20 0 �� " 3 �� " 2

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> 8 �� " 40 6 �� " 1 �� " 2

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> 9 �� " 0 12 �� " 11 �� " 1

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> 9 �� " 20 18 �� " 9 �� " 1

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> 9 �� " 40 24 �� " 7 �� " 1

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> 10- 0 0 �� " 6 �� " 1

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> 10 �� " 20 6 �� " 4 �� " 1

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> 10 �� " 40 12 �� " 2 �� " 1

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> 11 �� " 0 18 �� " 0 �� " 1

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> 11 �� " 20 24 �� " 10 �� " 0

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> 11 �� " 40 0 �� " 9 �� " 0

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> 12 �� " 0 6 �� " 7 �� " 0

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> 12 �� " 20 12 �� " 5 �� " 0

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> 12 �� " 40 18 �� " 3 �� " 0

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> 13 �� " 0 24 �� " 1 �� " 0

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> 13 �� " 20 0 �� " 0 - 0

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> Since I go by the traditional method I have used the lunar year of 360

> days. In olden time the dasha were calculated and mentioned in the

> horoscope in terms of Hindi month and Tithi and Samvat year. If you have

> a look at sixty or seventy year old horoscopes, you will notice that

> they do not even mention the English dates; the date of birth is

> mentioned according to Hindu calendar and the time of birth in ghati and

> pal.

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> In order to bring the Lunar year on par with the solar year a correction

> of 5 days per year has to be carried out while calculating the dasha to

> bring it on par with the English dates. Once this correction is carried

> out the dasha becomes compatible with the English dates.

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> In the table , if you notice , the balance of Jupiter’s dasha

> period at 0d-0m is 6 years and at 13d20’ it is zero.

> 13d20’ is the value of a nakshatra.

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> For example if the moon is at 8 degrees and 40’ in Leo then the

> balance of the Jupiter dasha yet to follow will be 6 days, 1 month and 2

> years [ bhogyansh �� " hissa jo bhogana baqi hai] . In other words

> at the time of birth the native has already exhausted 24 days, 10

> months and 3 years in his mother’s womb [ bhuktansh �� "

> hissa jo bhoga ja chuka hai ]

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> Of this bhogyansh 6 days and 1 month will be the Jupiter antardasha

> within the Jupiter dasha followed by the whole period of 2 years of the

> Sun’s antardasha within the Jupiter dasha.

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> Bhooshan Priya

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>

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> Next : Dasha explained through an example as to how it is worked out and

> the result read

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>

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