Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Varun ji, shukla ji is the most engmatic person i have ever come across. He doesn't writes untill and unless he is absolutely sure. But he likes students like me to apply their mind. This is his modus operandi. Hadn't i posted this message, he would have shut the matter. Now i will get a detailed explanation. And i respect him 4 that. He is following footsteps of his guru. Regards and with due respect - kulbir On 1/22/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > Since you appear to believe that Lalkitabee ji has wrongly > interpreted the word floor, I leave it to res Vipin ji to answer it. > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Varun bhai; >> >> since you wanted to be specific then the answer is FARSH >> MAKKANAN is under purview of khanna no.4 and not 6 as pointed > wrongly >> by shukla ji. I purposely wrote no comments.Both prabhakar ji's > gutka >> pg 15 line 7(i suppose) and 1942 edition have it. Iam getting some >> very precious inputs on this topic from my guruji and will be able > to >> post it as soon as i understand them clearly. >> >> Regards >> >> kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/22/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: >> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, >> > >> > Aap ne apani baat rakkhi aur Lalkitabee ji ne apni baat rakkhi, > mere >> > liye aap dono hi shraddheya vidwan hai. >> > >> > Aap dono ke beech mein mera kuchha bolana uchit nahi hoga, lekin > aap >> > ka yeh comment " (Lal Kitabee Jee se aisee mail ki mujhko to umeed >> > nahi thee) thora at-pata laga. >> > >> > Agar aap Lalkitabee ji ki baat se sahmat nahi hain to aap apni > baat >> > rakha sakte hain, jaise aap agar ghar ke farsh ko khana # 6 nahi >> > mante to phir kya mante hain aur kyon. >> > >> > Baalon ko Lalkitabee ji ne bhi shani ki hi ashiya mana hai aur > unka >> > vichar hai ki baalon mein sone ki clip shayad rahu ko qaboo mein >> > karne ke liye istemal kiya hai jisne hum sab ko sar se pakar rakha >> > hai. Agar aap ke is vishay par vichar alag hain to hum sabhi se > unko >> > share karana uchit rahega. >> > >> > Rahi baat gayon ke seeng chandi ya sone se marhwane ki to yah > bahut >> > aam prachlit pratha rahi hai. Jo bhi gai kisi dharmik utsav ya >> > prayojan mein shamil ki jatee hai to uska poora shrangar kiya jata >> > hai. Is shrangar mein uske seengon ko sajanaa bhi shamil rahta > hai. >> > Log apni arthik sthit ke mutabik seengon ka shrangar karte rahe > hain, >> > jinki kshamata sone ya chandi se gai ke seengon ko marhwane ki > hoti >> > hai vah aisa aaj bhi karte hain. Aisa karne se Lal Kitab ke upaya > ka >> > koi sambandh nahi hai. >> > >> > Yes yeh ho sakta hai ki Pt Roopchand ji ne kabhi kisi ko gai ke > seeng >> > sone ya chandi se marhwane ke liye upaya ke roop mein kaha ho. > Agar >> > aisa kabhi pandit ji ne kaha hoga to uski jankaari kam se kam Lal >> > Kitab mein to nahi hai. Yadi aap ko ho to hum sab se share karen > ki >> > kis grah ke liye Pandit ji ne aisa karne ke liye kaha tha. >> > >> > Aadar sahit, >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > <heartzthief54@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Lal kitabee Jee urf Shukla Jee aur Kulbir Bhai Jee, >> >> >> >> Aap dono ko mera namaskar, Kulbir jee apko yaad hoga ki jab mein >> > abhi 12 >> >> january ko aapse mila thaa to apko maine bataya thaa ki mere Taya >> > Jee ne >> >> jo gau rakhi huee thee uske seengho par uneho ne chandi chadwa > rakhi >> >> thee, tabh mein chhota thaa iss baat ko nahi samjhata thaa.yeh > baat >> > koi >> >> purani nahi hai ki aapko yaad na ho, aur na hee mein koi jhooth > bol >> > kar >> >> wahwahi lena chahta hoon. >> >> >> >> Rahi baat Lal Kitabee Jee ki woh to shayad apni alagh hee duniya >> > mein >> >> rehte hain. unke hisab se to baalon mein sona lagane se rahu kabu >> > mein >> >> aa jata hoga mere hisab se to rahu ko aise kabu nahi kiya ja > sakta. >> >> Kyonki baal jo hain shani ki ashiya hai na ki rahu ki, na hee > mein >> > floor >> >> ko patal ya khana no 6 manta hoon woh ( Lal Kitabee ) chahe > maante >> > rahe >> >> aur issi hisab se uska ilaz bhee karte rahe. >> >> >> >> Mein kisi ka dil nahi dukhana chahta iss liye iss mail ko yahi > par >> > viram >> >> deta hoon aur apki (Kulbir Bhai )taraz par sirf yehi kehta hoon > ki >> > NO >> >> COMMENTS.(Lal Kitabee Jee se aisee mail ki mujhko to umeed nahi >> > thee) >> >> >> >> MAHAJAN >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Lalkitabee ji, >> >> > >> >> > aap shayad is baat se anjan hain ki pt ji ne cow gau ke >> >> > seengo par gold lagwane ki remedy bhi karwai thi. Proof aap tak >> > pt ji >> >> > ke samkaalin dwara pahuncha doonga. Baki ki mail pe no > comments hi >> >> > kehna behtar hoga. >> >> > >> >> > Regards. >> >> > >> >> > Kulbir >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 1/21/09, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote: >> >> > > Res Kulbir Ji, Mahajan JI, Varun Ji >> >> > > As per my opinion:- >> >> > > Jaisa ki Mahajn ji ne likhaa hai mera vichaar bhi kuchh vaisa >> > hee >> >> hai, >> >> > > lekin iska talluq sirf jamin ki mitti tak nahi hai.Agar hum > gaur >> >> > > karain to llkitab main khana 6 ko PATAAL bhi kaha gaya hai, >> > agar sir >> >> > > ke ooper ghar kee chhat khana 12 ho sakti hai to meraa apnaa >> > vichaar >> >> > > hai ki ghar ke andar kee tah ya farsh (FLOOR) khana 6 bhi to > ho >> >> saktaa >> >> > > hai, yah jaroori nahi ki ghar main kachchi mitti hee ho tabhi >> > bura >> >> > > asar hogaa, yah to multistory main rehney walon ke liye bhi >> > mandaa >> >> > > hee hogaa. Jiska shukkar khana 6 main ho aur uski patni jo ki >> > khud >> >> hee >> >> > > shukkar ki ashia hai uska ketu wala hissa khana 6 ke mandey >> > ketu ke >> >> > > asar ko jahir karegaa, kyonki patni ke chalne firne ki harqat >> > hone >> >> se >> >> > > ketu wala hissa ek zindaa ashia ki marfat khana 6 main bura >> > asar na >> >> de >> >> > > sake ,shayad isi karan pujya pandit ji ne us jinda ashia ke >> > ketu ko >> >> > > khana 6 se juda rakhne ke liye hee nangey pair rehney se > manaa >> > kiyaa >> >> > > hai. Ab chahey vah ground floor par ho ya top floor par, > pair to >> >> > > hamesha khana 6 patal ki taraf hee rahengey. Mere vichar se >> > yahaan >> >> par >> >> > > sirf aur sirf kachchi mitti ke talluq ke mutabiq yah parhez > nahi >> >> > > likha gaya hai >> >> > > Rahi baat baalon main GOLD ki to yah bhi usi jindaa ashia jo > ki >> >> > > insaan se seedha talluq rakhti hai uske rahu ko beqabo hone > se >> >> > > bachaane ki koshish hai, kyonki Rahu aur ketu se hee to > shukkar >> >> > > (aurat) tayyar hoti hai aur aurat bhi to insaan hai ,aur >> > duniyaan ke >> >> > > har insaan ko Rahu ne sir se pakdaa hai aur ketu ne pair >> > se.Varna >> >> > > Pujya Pandit Ji gaay (COW) ke sir par GOLD lagaane ko kehtey >> > aurat >> >> ke >> >> > > sir par nahi. >> >> > > With Regards >> >> > > Pt.Lalkitabee >> >> > > V.Shukla >> >> > > , " Iqbal Singh " >> >> > > punjabilovebug@ wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dear members >> >> > >> >> >> > >> For this precaution, one can simply ware sandals/socks in > one's >> >> > > garden or when going to the beach. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> There are also other precautions for Venus in the 6th house. >> > These >> >> > > include for the native during the time of his marriage to >> > accept two >> >> > > small pieces of gold from the in-laws. Secondly, a small gold >> > clip >> >> > > should be used by the native's wife in her hair - This will >> >> strengthen >> >> > > Venus in a positive way in the 6th house. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Best Regards, >> >> > >> Iqbal >> >> > >> USA >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Best Regards, >> >> > >> Isher >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Sent via Blackberry >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> " bhagvatjee " bhagvatjee@ >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:12:10 >> >> > >> >> >> > >> LK discussion group Re: Walking bare foot >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> And I think who are living abroad, especially in the USA, > they >> >> never >> >> > >> touch any Kachchee Zameen unless they really want to take >> > stroll in >> >> > >> their garden. Their whole house is carpeted, and as > suggested >> > by >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji modern bathrooms are always tiled or cemented. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> So no question to suggest them " not to walk on bare floor " . >> >> > >> With regards >> >> > >> Sushma >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> , " varun_trvd " >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > You have made a very important point. You are right that >> >> > >> > the 'kachchee mitti ki teh zameen' is the karak of shukra. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > These days the bathrooms are already paved with stone or >> > tiles >> >> and >> >> > >> > there is no 'kachcha' part in it. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Thank you so much for this addition. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Regards, >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Mere Nimb-Taru Lagtaa hai ki tumne abhi tak apne guru ji se nahi samjhaa. My dear u have qouted absolutly right words but u left the real meaning. " FARSH MAKAANA " ka matlab hai ki makaan bananey ke liye khaali jagah.Lalkitab 1942 edition ke page no 20 par line no. 20 dekho aur neechey bhi line no. 26 dekho, saaf saaf likhaa hai " KHAALI TAI(TEH) JAMEEN) " Matlab ki vah jagah jo ki makaan bananey ke liye ho, magar makaan abhi na banaa ho.(Farsh Makaana means PLOT TO CONSTRUCT HOUSE).So how u can imply this line in a constructed house? Iske alavaa lalkitab 1952 edition ke CHANDER ,SHUKKAR mushtarka main bhi padh lenaa. Tumhain pataa chal jayegaa ki yahaan FARSH_MAKAANA ka kyaa matlab hai. No need to explain it in detail.Bcoz the topic is - SHUKKAR KHANA 6. With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, shukla ji is the most engmatic person i have ever come > across. He doesn't writes untill and unless he is absolutely sure. But > he likes students like me to apply their mind. This is his modus > operandi. Hadn't i posted this message, he would have shut the matter. > Now i will get a detailed explanation. And i respect him 4 that. He is > following footsteps of his guru. Regards and with due respect - kulbir > > On 1/22/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Since you appear to believe that Lalkitabee ji has wrongly > > interpreted the word floor, I leave it to res Vipin ji to answer it. > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Varun bhai; > >> > >> since you wanted to be specific then the answer is FARSH > >> MAKKANAN is under purview of khanna no.4 and not 6 as pointed > > wrongly > >> by shukla ji. I purposely wrote no comments.Both prabhakar ji's > > gutka > >> pg 15 line 7(i suppose) and 1942 edition have it. Iam getting some > >> very precious inputs on this topic from my guruji and will be able > > to > >> post it as soon as i understand them clearly. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> kulbir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 1/22/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > >> > > >> > Aap ne apani baat rakkhi aur Lalkitabee ji ne apni baat rakkhi, > > mere > >> > liye aap dono hi shraddheya vidwan hai. > >> > > >> > Aap dono ke beech mein mera kuchha bolana uchit nahi hoga, lekin > > aap > >> > ka yeh comment " (Lal Kitabee Jee se aisee mail ki mujhko to umeed > >> > nahi thee) thora at-pata laga. > >> > > >> > Agar aap Lalkitabee ji ki baat se sahmat nahi hain to aap apni > > baat > >> > rakha sakte hain, jaise aap agar ghar ke farsh ko khana # 6 nahi > >> > mante to phir kya mante hain aur kyon. > >> > > >> > Baalon ko Lalkitabee ji ne bhi shani ki hi ashiya mana hai aur > > unka > >> > vichar hai ki baalon mein sone ki clip shayad rahu ko qaboo mein > >> > karne ke liye istemal kiya hai jisne hum sab ko sar se pakar rakha > >> > hai. Agar aap ke is vishay par vichar alag hain to hum sabhi se > > unko > >> > share karana uchit rahega. > >> > > >> > Rahi baat gayon ke seeng chandi ya sone se marhwane ki to yah > > bahut > >> > aam prachlit pratha rahi hai. Jo bhi gai kisi dharmik utsav ya > >> > prayojan mein shamil ki jatee hai to uska poora shrangar kiya jata > >> > hai. Is shrangar mein uske seengon ko sajanaa bhi shamil rahta > > hai. > >> > Log apni arthik sthit ke mutabik seengon ka shrangar karte rahe > > hain, > >> > jinki kshamata sone ya chandi se gai ke seengon ko marhwane ki > > hoti > >> > hai vah aisa aaj bhi karte hain. Aisa karne se Lal Kitab ke upaya > > ka > >> > koi sambandh nahi hai. > >> > > >> > Yes yeh ho sakta hai ki Pt Roopchand ji ne kabhi kisi ko gai ke > > seeng > >> > sone ya chandi se marhwane ke liye upaya ke roop mein kaha ho. > > Agar > >> > aisa kabhi pandit ji ne kaha hoga to uski jankaari kam se kam Lal > >> > Kitab mein to nahi hai. Yadi aap ko ho to hum sab se share karen > > ki > >> > kis grah ke liye Pandit ji ne aisa karne ke liye kaha tha. > >> > > >> > Aadar sahit, > >> > > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , " heartzthief54 " > >> > <heartzthief54@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Lal kitabee Jee urf Shukla Jee aur Kulbir Bhai Jee, > >> >> > >> >> Aap dono ko mera namaskar, Kulbir jee apko yaad hoga ki jab mein > >> > abhi 12 > >> >> january ko aapse mila thaa to apko maine bataya thaa ki mere Taya > >> > Jee ne > >> >> jo gau rakhi huee thee uske seengho par uneho ne chandi chadwa > > rakhi > >> >> thee, tabh mein chhota thaa iss baat ko nahi samjhata thaa.yeh > > baat > >> > koi > >> >> purani nahi hai ki aapko yaad na ho, aur na hee mein koi jhooth > > bol > >> > kar > >> >> wahwahi lena chahta hoon. > >> >> > >> >> Rahi baat Lal Kitabee Jee ki woh to shayad apni alagh hee duniya > >> > mein > >> >> rehte hain. unke hisab se to baalon mein sona lagane se rahu kabu > >> > mein > >> >> aa jata hoga mere hisab se to rahu ko aise kabu nahi kiya ja > > sakta. > >> >> Kyonki baal jo hain shani ki ashiya hai na ki rahu ki, na hee > > mein > >> > floor > >> >> ko patal ya khana no 6 manta hoon woh ( Lal Kitabee ) chahe > > maante > >> > rahe > >> >> aur issi hisab se uska ilaz bhee karte rahe. > >> >> > >> >> Mein kisi ka dil nahi dukhana chahta iss liye iss mail ko yahi > > par > >> > viram > >> >> deta hoon aur apki (Kulbir Bhai )taraz par sirf yehi kehta hoon > > ki > >> > NO > >> >> COMMENTS.(Lal Kitabee Jee se aisee mail ki mujhko to umeed nahi > >> > thee) > >> >> > >> >> MAHAJAN > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> , kulbir bance > >> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Lalkitabee ji, > >> >> > > >> >> > aap shayad is baat se anjan hain ki pt ji ne cow gau ke > >> >> > seengo par gold lagwane ki remedy bhi karwai thi. Proof aap tak > >> > pt ji > >> >> > ke samkaalin dwara pahuncha doonga. Baki ki mail pe no > > comments hi > >> >> > kehna behtar hoga. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards. > >> >> > > >> >> > Kulbir > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 1/21/09, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote: > >> >> > > Res Kulbir Ji, Mahajan JI, Varun Ji > >> >> > > As per my opinion:- > >> >> > > Jaisa ki Mahajn ji ne likhaa hai mera vichaar bhi kuchh vaisa > >> > hee > >> >> hai, > >> >> > > lekin iska talluq sirf jamin ki mitti tak nahi hai.Agar hum > > gaur > >> >> > > karain to llkitab main khana 6 ko PATAAL bhi kaha gaya hai, > >> > agar sir > >> >> > > ke ooper ghar kee chhat khana 12 ho sakti hai to meraa apnaa > >> > vichaar > >> >> > > hai ki ghar ke andar kee tah ya farsh (FLOOR) khana 6 bhi to > > ho > >> >> saktaa > >> >> > > hai, yah jaroori nahi ki ghar main kachchi mitti hee ho tabhi > >> > bura > >> >> > > asar hogaa, yah to multistory main rehney walon ke liye bhi > >> > mandaa > >> >> > > hee hogaa. Jiska shukkar khana 6 main ho aur uski patni jo ki > >> > khud > >> >> hee > >> >> > > shukkar ki ashia hai uska ketu wala hissa khana 6 ke mandey > >> > ketu ke > >> >> > > asar ko jahir karegaa, kyonki patni ke chalne firne ki harqat > >> > hone > >> >> se > >> >> > > ketu wala hissa ek zindaa ashia ki marfat khana 6 main bura > >> > asar na > >> >> de > >> >> > > sake ,shayad isi karan pujya pandit ji ne us jinda ashia ke > >> > ketu ko > >> >> > > khana 6 se juda rakhne ke liye hee nangey pair rehney se > > manaa > >> > kiyaa > >> >> > > hai. Ab chahey vah ground floor par ho ya top floor par, > > pair to > >> >> > > hamesha khana 6 patal ki taraf hee rahengey. Mere vichar se > >> > yahaan > >> >> par > >> >> > > sirf aur sirf kachchi mitti ke talluq ke mutabiq yah parhez > > nahi > >> >> > > likha gaya hai > >> >> > > Rahi baat baalon main GOLD ki to yah bhi usi jindaa ashia jo > > ki > >> >> > > insaan se seedha talluq rakhti hai uske rahu ko beqabo hone > > se > >> >> > > bachaane ki koshish hai, kyonki Rahu aur ketu se hee to > > shukkar > >> >> > > (aurat) tayyar hoti hai aur aurat bhi to insaan hai ,aur > >> > duniyaan ke > >> >> > > har insaan ko Rahu ne sir se pakdaa hai aur ketu ne pair > >> > se.Varna > >> >> > > Pujya Pandit Ji gaay (COW) ke sir par GOLD lagaane ko kehtey > >> > aurat > >> >> ke > >> >> > > sir par nahi. > >> >> > > With Regards > >> >> > > Pt.Lalkitabee > >> >> > > V.Shukla > >> >> > > , " Iqbal Singh " > >> >> > > punjabilovebug@ wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Dear members > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> For this precaution, one can simply ware sandals/socks in > > one's > >> >> > > garden or when going to the beach. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> There are also other precautions for Venus in the 6th house. > >> > These > >> >> > > include for the native during the time of his marriage to > >> > accept two > >> >> > > small pieces of gold from the in-laws. Secondly, a small gold > >> > clip > >> >> > > should be used by the native's wife in her hair - This will > >> >> strengthen > >> >> > > Venus in a positive way in the 6th house. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Best Regards, > >> >> > >> Iqbal > >> >> > >> USA > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Best Regards, > >> >> > >> Isher > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Sent via Blackberry > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> " bhagvatjee " bhagvatjee@ > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:12:10 > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> LK discussion group Re: Walking bare foot > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> And I think who are living abroad, especially in the USA, > > they > >> >> never > >> >> > >> touch any Kachchee Zameen unless they really want to take > >> > stroll in > >> >> > >> their garden. Their whole house is carpeted, and as > > suggested > >> > by > >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji modern bathrooms are always tiled or cemented. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> So no question to suggest them " not to walk on bare floor " . > >> >> > >> With regards > >> >> > >> Sushma > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> , " varun_trvd " > >> >> > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Dear Kulbir bhai, > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > You have made a very important point. You are right that > >> >> > >> > the 'kachchee mitti ki teh zameen' is the karak of shukra. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > These days the bathrooms are already paved with stone or > >> > tiles > >> >> and > >> >> > >> > there is no 'kachcha' part in it. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Thank you so much for this addition. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Regards, > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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