Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Members, Horoscope : How to study it Step one : Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs which should be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these three inputs. Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run into a hundred pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of information. As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has to be equally careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate software [ based on classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope software ever written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] and is free to download. The software can be downloaded from: http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers choose Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra-paksheeya ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a modified version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha choice is very important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna and the planets which might get magnified when you come to the divisional charts etc. The choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings also. Therefore one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick to. Later through experience you might evolve your own modified ayanansha. Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of astrology, be it traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other paddhati. Step Two : Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or zodiac sign, where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a number signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ or ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma Kundali has to be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is commonly known as Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be erased and the lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be marked accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have to choose whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or the unequal house system. There are followers of both the methods. I follow the traditional equal house system. There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether the Bhava Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the following reasons why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi Kundali. The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of the Vedic tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air advocating a different system as some people would like us to believe. The book is, at most places, an extension of vedic concepts. Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of astronomical data. Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on Nakshatra , some on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the combinations of these. Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi panchang liyaâ€. This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji didn’t follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own form of astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did not want to complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of 1952 ed it says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein banaya hua makaan … ‘ ] If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, then what was left there to go by? Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { house }. The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step necessary before analyzing a horoscope?†Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means mood/attitude/feeling(like bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have towards particular area of life which can come from internal or external factors. Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all mathematic techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any system of astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well developed mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the only mathematical process or technique to distinguish between births during one lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those born during that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have identical destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different planetary placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in placements. The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji intended the system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he explicitly instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply the rule of bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?†The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing which was obvious as a tradition. Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been divided into sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, ‘prashna khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal khand’ etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics of Indian astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no escape from it. It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the planets, strength of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg etc. Now that the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the astrologers are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to work out all these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to be generated from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago had to learn all these skills and had to work it out manually. No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what mathematical steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be studied. No horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above information has already been worked out. Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something which was obviously essential and traditionally done. Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was meant for those who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional astrology. The book is so difficult that even people like us find it difficult to understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over 20 years into Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and another 10 years into the Lal Kitab. The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been that it introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of astrology; the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk remedies. It assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with the mathematical techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely nothing ‘unique’ or unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological system which is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as against the Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, then there would have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all over again. This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav {khana } should be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would any one consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of it? The boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the Bhav-spashtha. Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a bhav for every horoscope I analyze. Step Three : Teve ki Durusti : Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. There is an entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the traditional astrology known as nashta-jatak. Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method for it where the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied collectively and also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart rectification into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati uses a thumb impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute accuracy. Like other paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ verification though not in as much a rigorous form It is to be done in these extraneous situations: [ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known. Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea that he was born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of birth and the place of birth. In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least three horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the birth is prior to the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the sun in the 10th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will determine the Lagna. The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the native’s life based on the planetary positions in all the three horoscopes. This is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar dekhna, shaking the lagna thrice. Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th house and the Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the results of these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope with the help of Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing sahukara , lending money etc. [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with medicines, a doctor or a chemist. [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the house you were born, or near that. Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter in the 8th house: [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing problems ? [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this problem? [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, if so, did he live to be 80 or more? If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is the horoscope of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take up the next horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets in that horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct horoscope. This exercise needs both the time and the patience. These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made for each planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other classics on astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other classics of Vedic astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always advisable to collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in cheap books on astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. [ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, let alone the time of birth. Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the palmistry [ samudrik sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the Lal Kitab [ Arun Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has been given the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A horoscope thus cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. At times a cross check is also made through the help of the ancestral home. This is known as makan ki madad se durusti [ verification through the help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun sanhita 1952 edition page 64. This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, including me, are proficient in the art of palm reading. Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the time because all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate time of birth and other details. To be continued : Next : Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s Step five : Devising upaya God bless you, Bhooshan Priya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Respected pt ji; it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to this topic the simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the page 277 of the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but at the momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast capable of trying it out. regards kulbir On 1/20/09, < wrote: Dear Members, Horoscope : How to study it Step one : Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs which should be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these three inputs. Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run into a hundred pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of information. As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has to be equally careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate software [ based on classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope software ever written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] and is free to download. The software can be downloaded from: http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers choose Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra-paksheeya ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a modified version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha choice is very important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna and the planets which might get magnified when you come to the divisional charts etc. The choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings also. Therefore one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick to. Later through experience you might evolve your own modified ayanansha. Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of astrology, be it traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other paddhati. Step Two : Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or zodiac sign, where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a number signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ or ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma Kundali has to be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is commonly known as Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be erased and the lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be marked accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have to choose whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or the unequal house system. There are followers of both the methods. I follow the traditional equal house system. There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether the Bhava Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the following reasons why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi Kundali. The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of the Vedic tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air advocating a different system as some people would like us to believe. The book is, at most places, an extension of vedic concepts. Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of astronomical data. Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on Nakshatra , some on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the combinations of these. Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi panchang liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji didn’t follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own form of astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did not want to complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of 1952 ed it says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein banaya hua makaan … ‘ ] If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, then what was left there to go by? Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { house }. The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step necessary before analyzing a horoscope?�� Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means mood/attitude/feeling(like bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have towards particular area of life which can come from internal or external factors. Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all mathematic techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any system of astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well developed mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the only mathematical process or technique to distinguish between births during one lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those born during that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have identical destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different planetary placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in placements. The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji intended the system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he explicitly instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply the rule of bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing which was obvious as a tradition. Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been divided into sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, ‘prashna khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal khand’ etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics of Indian astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no escape from it. It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the planets, strength of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg etc. Now that the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the astrologers are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to work out all these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to be generated from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago had to learn all these skills and had to work it out manually. No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what mathematical steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be studied. No horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above information has already been worked out. Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something which was obviously essential and traditionally done. Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was meant for those who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional astrology. The book is so difficult that even people like us find it difficult to understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over 20 years into Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and another 10 years into the Lal Kitab. The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been that it introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of astrology; the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk remedies. It assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with the mathematical techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely nothing ‘unique’ or unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological system which is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as against the Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, then there would have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all over again. This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav {khana } should be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would any one consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of it? The boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the Bhav-spashtha. Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a bhav for every horoscope I analyze. Step Three : Teve ki Durusti : Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. There is an entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the traditional astrology known as nashta-jatak. Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method for it where the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied collectively and also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart rectification into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati uses a thumb impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute accuracy. Like other paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ verification though not in as much a rigorous form It is to be done in these extraneous situations: [ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known. Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea that he was born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of birth and the place of birth. In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least three horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the birth is prior to the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the sun in the 10th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will determine the Lagna. The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the native’s life based on the planetary positions in all the three horoscopes. This is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar dekhna, shaking the lagna thrice. Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th house and the Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the results of these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope with the help of Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing sahukara , lending money etc. [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with medicines, a doctor or a chemist. [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the house you were born, or near that. Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter in the 8th house: [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing problems ? [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this problem? [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, if so, did he live to be 80 or more? If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is the horoscope of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take up the next horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets in that horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct horoscope. This exercise needs both the time and the patience. These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made for each planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other classics on astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other classics of Vedic astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always advisable to collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in cheap books on astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. [ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, let alone the time of birth. Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the palmistry [ samudrik sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the Lal Kitab [ Arun Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has been given the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A horoscope thus cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. At times a cross check is also made through the help of the ancestral home. This is known as makan ki madad se durusti [ verification through the help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun sanhita 1952 edition page 64. This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, including me, are proficient in the art of palm reading. Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the time because all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate time of birth and other details. To be continued : Next : Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s Step five : Devising upaya God bless you, Bhooshan Priya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Kulbir Bhai, There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There is no form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in the Farman [ 1939 ed] Could you please check it again and let us know the correct page number and which form you are talking about and the edition. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected pt ji; > it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to this topic the > simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the page 277 of > the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but at the > momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast capable of trying > it out. > regards > kulbir > > > On 1/20/09, < wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Horoscope : How to study it > > > > > > > > Step one : > > > > > > > > > > > > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs which should > > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth and the place > > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these three inputs. > > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run into a hundred > > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of information. > > > > > > > > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has to be equally > > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate software [ based on > > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope software ever > > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] and is > > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: > > > > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ > > > > > > > > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers choose > > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra-paksheeya > > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a modified > > version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha choice is very > > important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna and the planets > > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional charts etc. The > > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings also. Therefore > > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick to. Later > > through experience you might evolve your own modified ayanansha. > > > > > > > > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of astrology, be it > > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other paddhati. > > > > > > > > Step Two : > > > > > > > > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or zodiac sign, > > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a number > > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. > > > > > > > > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ or > > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma Kundali has to > > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is commonly known as > > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be erased and the > > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be marked > > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have to choose > > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or the unequal > > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I follow the > > traditional equal house system. > > > > > > > > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether the Bhava > > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the following reasons > > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi Kundali.* > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of the Vedic > > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air advocating a > > different system as some people would like us to believe. The book is, at > > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. > > > > > > > > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of astronomical data. > > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on Nakshatra , some > > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the combinations of > > these. > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi panchang > > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji didn’t > > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own form of > > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did not want to > > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. > > > > > > > > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of 1952 ed it > > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein banaya hua > > makaan … ‘ ] > > > > > > > > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, then what was > > left there to go by? > > > > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { house }. > > > > > > > > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step necessary > > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * > > > > > > > > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means mood/attitude/feeling(like > > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have towards > > particular area of life which can come from internal or external factors. > > > > > > > > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all mathematic > > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any system of > > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well developed > > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the only > > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between births during one > > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those born during > > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have identical > > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different planetary > > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in placements. > > > > > > > > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji intended the > > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he explicitly > > instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply the rule of > > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * > > > > > > > > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing which was > > obvious as a tradition. > > > > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been divided into > > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, ‘prashna > > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal khand’ > > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics of Indian > > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no escape from it. > > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the planets, strength > > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg etc. Now that > > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the astrologers > > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to work out all > > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to be generated > > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth and the place > > of birth. > > > > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago had to learn > > all these skills and had to work it out manually. > > > > > > > > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what mathematical > > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be studied. No > > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above information has > > already been worked out. > > > > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something which was > > obviously essential and traditionally done. > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was meant for those > > who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional astrology. The > > book is so difficult that even people like us find it difficult to > > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over 20 years into > > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and another 10 years > > into the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been that it > > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of astrology; > > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk remedies. It > > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with the mathematical > > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. > > > > > > > > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely nothing ‘unique’ or > > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological system which > > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as against the > > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, then there would > > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all over again. > > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav {khana } should > > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would any one > > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of it? The > > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the Bhav- spashtha. > > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. > > > > > > > > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a bhav for > > every horoscope I analyze. > > > > > > > > Step Three : > > > > > > > > *Teve ki Durusti :* > > > > > > > > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. There is an > > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the traditional astrology > > known as nashta-jatak. > > > > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method for it where > > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied collectively and > > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart rectification > > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati uses a thumb > > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute accuracy. Like other > > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ verification > > though not in as much a rigorous form > > > > > > > > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: > > > > > > > > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* > > > > > > > > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea that he was > > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of birth and the > > place of birth. > > > > > > > > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least three > > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the birth is prior to > > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the sun in the 10 > > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will > > > > determine the Lagna. > > > > > > > > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the native’s > > life based on the planetary positions in all the three horoscopes. This > > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar dekhna, shaking > > the lagna thrice. > > > > > > > > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th house and the > > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the results of > > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope with the help of > > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : > > > > > > > > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing sahukara , > > lending money etc. > > > > > > > > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with medicines, a doctor > > or a chemist. > > > > > > > > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the house you were > > born, or near that. > > > > > > > > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter in the 8thhouse: > > > > > > > > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing problems ? > > > > > > > > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this problem? > > > > > > > > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, if so, did he > > live to be 80 or more? > > > > > > > > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is the horoscope > > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take up the next > > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets in that > > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct horoscope. This > > exercise needs both the time and the patience. > > > > > > > > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made for each > > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other classics on > > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other classics of Vedic > > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always advisable to > > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. > > > > > > > > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in cheap books on > > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. > > > > > > > > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, let alone > > the time of birth. * > > > > > > > > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the palmistry [ samudrik > > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the Lal Kitab [ Arun > > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has been given > > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A horoscope thus > > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. > > > > > > > > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the ancestral home. > > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ verification through the > > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun sanhita 1952 > > edition page 64. > > > > > > > > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, including me, > > are proficient in the art of palm reading. > > > > > > > > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the time because > > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate time of birth and > > other details.* > > > > To be continued : > > > > *Next : * > > > > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s > > > > Step five : Devising upaya > > > > God bless you, > > > > *Bhooshan Priya* > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Sorry again gurubhai, it is page 277 of Armaan 1940. Kulbir On 1/21/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Sorry varun bhaiji it is page 277 of farmaam 1940. Got the message > loud and clear. I will recheck every message before posting in future. > Sorry kulbir > > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: >> Dear Kulbir Bhai, >> >> There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There is no >> form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in the >> Farman [ 1939 ed] >> >> Could you please check it again and let us know the correct page >> number and which form you are talking about and the edition. >> >> With regards, >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> <kulbirbance wrote: >>> >>> Respected pt ji; >>> it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to this >> topic the >>> simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the >> page 277 of >>> the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but at >> the >>> momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast capable >> of trying >>> it out. >>> regards >>> kulbir >>> >>> >>> On 1/20/09, < wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Members, >>> > >>> > Horoscope : How to study it >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Step one : >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs >> which should >>> > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth and >> the place >>> > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these >> three inputs. >>> > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run into a >> hundred >>> > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of >> information. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has to >> be equally >>> > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate software >> [ based on >>> > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope >> software ever >>> > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] >> and is >>> > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: >>> > >>> > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers >> choose >>> > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra-paksheeya >>> > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a >> modified >>> > version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha >> choice is very >>> > important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna and >> the planets >>> > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional charts >> etc. The >>> > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings >> also. Therefore >>> > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick to. >> Later >>> > through experience you might evolve your own modified ayanansha. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of >> astrology, be it >>> > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other >> paddhati. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Step Two : >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or zodiac >> sign, >>> > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a >> number >>> > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ or >>> > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma Kundali >>> > has >> to >>> > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is commonly >> known as >>> > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be >> erased and the >>> > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be marked >>> > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have to >> choose >>> > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or the >> unequal >>> > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I follow >> the >>> > traditional equal house system. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether the >> Bhava >>> > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the >> following reasons >>> > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi Kundali.* >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of >> the Vedic >>> > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air >> advocating a >>> > different system as some people would like us to believe. The >> book is, at >>> > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of astronomical >> data. >>> > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on >> Nakshatra , some >>> > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the >> combinations of >>> > these. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi >> panchang >>> > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji >>> > didn’t >>> > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own form of >>> > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did not >> want to >>> > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of 1952 >> ed it >>> > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein banaya hua >>> > makaan … ‘ ] >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, then >> what was >>> > left there to go by? >>> > >>> > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { house }. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step necessary >>> > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means >> mood/attitude/feeling(like >>> > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have >> towards >>> > particular area of life which can come from internal or external >> factors. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all mathematic >>> > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any system of >>> > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well >> developed >>> > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the >> only >>> > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between births >> during one >>> > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those >> born during >>> > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have >> identical >>> > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different >> planetary >>> > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in >> placements. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji >> intended the >>> > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he >> explicitly >>> > instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply >> the rule of >>> > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing which was >>> > obvious as a tradition. >>> > >>> > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been >> divided into >>> > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, ‘prashna >>> > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal >>> > khand’ >>> > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics of >> Indian >>> > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no >> escape from it. >>> > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the planets, >> strength >>> > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg etc. >> Now that >>> > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the >> astrologers >>> > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to work >> out all >>> > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to be >> generated >>> > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth and >> the place >>> > of birth. >>> > >>> > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago had >> to learn >>> > all these skills and had to work it out manually. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what >> mathematical >>> > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be >> studied. No >>> > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above >> information has >>> > already been worked out. >>> > >>> > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something >> which was >>> > obviously essential and traditionally done. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was meant >> for those >>> > who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional >> astrology. The >>> > book is so difficult that even people like us find it difficult to >>> > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over 20 >> years into >>> > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and >> another 10 years >>> > into the Lal Kitab. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been that >> it >>> > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of >> astrology; >>> > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk >> remedies. It >>> > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with the >> mathematical >>> > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely >> nothing ‘unique’ or >>> > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological >> system which >>> > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as >> against the >>> > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, then >> there would >>> > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all >> over again. >>> > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav >> {khana } should >>> > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would >> any one >>> > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of it? The >>> > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the Bhav- >> spashtha. >>> > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a >> bhav for >>> > every horoscope I analyze. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Step Three : >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *Teve ki Durusti :* >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. >> There is an >>> > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the traditional >> astrology >>> > known as nashta-jatak. >>> > >>> > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method for >> it where >>> > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied >> collectively and >>> > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart >> rectification >>> > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati uses a >> thumb >>> > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute accuracy. >> Like other >>> > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ >> verification >>> > though not in as much a rigorous form >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea >> that he was >>> > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of birth >> and the >>> > place of birth. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least >> three >>> > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the birth is >> prior to >>> > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the sun >> in the 10 >>> > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will >>> > >>> > determine the Lagna. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the >> native’s >>> > life based on the planetary positions in all the three >> horoscopes. This >>> > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar dekhna, >> shaking >>> > the lagna thrice. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th house >> and the >>> > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the >> results of >>> > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope with >> the help of >>> > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing >> sahukara , >>> > lending money etc. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with >> medicines, a doctor >>> > or a chemist. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the house >> you were >>> > born, or near that. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter in >> the 8thhouse: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing problems ? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this problem? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, if >> so, did he >>> > live to be 80 or more? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is the >> horoscope >>> > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take up >> the next >>> > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets in >> that >>> > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct >> horoscope. This >>> > exercise needs both the time and the patience. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made for >> each >>> > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other >> classics on >>> > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other classics >> of Vedic >>> > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always >> advisable to >>> > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in cheap >> books on >>> > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, let >> alone >>> > the time of birth. * >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the palmistry [ >> samudrik >>> > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the Lal >> Kitab [ Arun >>> > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has been >> given >>> > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A >> horoscope thus >>> > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the >> ancestral home. >>> > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ verification >> through the >>> > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun >> sanhita 1952 >>> > edition page 64. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, >> including me, >>> > are proficient in the art of palm reading. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the time >> because >>> > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate time of >> birth and >>> > other details.* >>> > >>> > To be continued : >>> > >>> > *Next : * >>> > >>> > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s >>> > >>> > Step five : Devising upaya >>> > >>> > God bless you, >>> > >>> > *Bhooshan Priya* >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Kulbir Bhai, The form is for keeping a birth record in simple every day language as against the traditional Janma Patrika which is mostly in sanskrit even today. Since these days the astrologers use computer software where the birth record is entered and retained slightly differently. Therefore it may not be fare to ask them to keep the birth record as per this form. Even those who are using traditional Janma Patrika format, they also get the printed blank Janma Patrika from the market and fill up the relevent information in the blanks provided. I believe Pt Roopchand ji might have been using this format to keep record of those who consulted him. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Sorry again gurubhai, it is page 277 of Armaan 1940. Kulbir > > On 1/21/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Sorry varun bhaiji it is page 277 of farmaam 1940. Got the message > > loud and clear. I will recheck every message before posting in future. > > Sorry kulbir > > > > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > >> Dear Kulbir Bhai, > >> > >> There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There is no > >> form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in the > >> Farman [ 1939 ed] > >> > >> Could you please check it again and let us know the correct page > >> number and which form you are talking about and the edition. > >> > >> With regards, > >> > >> Varun Trivedi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , kulbir bance > >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Respected pt ji; > >>> it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to this > >> topic the > >>> simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the > >> page 277 of > >>> the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but at > >> the > >>> momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast capable > >> of trying > >>> it out. > >>> regards > >>> kulbir > >>> > >>> > >>> On 1/20/09, <@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Dear Members, > >>> > > >>> > Horoscope : How to study it > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Step one : > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs > >> which should > >>> > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth and > >> the place > >>> > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these > >> three inputs. > >>> > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run into a > >> hundred > >>> > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of > >> information. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has to > >> be equally > >>> > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate software > >> [ based on > >>> > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope > >> software ever > >>> > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] > >> and is > >>> > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: > >>> > > >>> > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers > >> choose > >>> > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra- paksheeya > >>> > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a > >> modified > >>> > version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha > >> choice is very > >>> > important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna and > >> the planets > >>> > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional charts > >> etc. The > >>> > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings > >> also. Therefore > >>> > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick to. > >> Later > >>> > through experience you might evolve your own modified ayanansha. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of > >> astrology, be it > >>> > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other > >> paddhati. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Step Two : > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or zodiac > >> sign, > >>> > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a > >> number > >>> > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ or > >>> > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma Kundali > >>> > has > >> to > >>> > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is commonly > >> known as > >>> > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be > >> erased and the > >>> > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be marked > >>> > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have to > >> choose > >>> > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or the > >> unequal > >>> > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I follow > >> the > >>> > traditional equal house system. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether the > >> Bhava > >>> > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the > >> following reasons > >>> > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi Kundali.* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of > >> the Vedic > >>> > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air > >> advocating a > >>> > different system as some people would like us to believe. The > >> book is, at > >>> > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of astronomical > >> data. > >>> > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on > >> Nakshatra , some > >>> > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the > >> combinations of > >>> > these. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi > >> panchang > >>> > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji > >>> > didn’t > >>> > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own form of > >>> > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did not > >> want to > >>> > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of 1952 > >> ed it > >>> > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein banaya hua > >>> > makaan … ‘ ] > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, then > >> what was > >>> > left there to go by? > >>> > > >>> > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { house }. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step necessary > >>> > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means > >> mood/attitude/feeling(like > >>> > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have > >> towards > >>> > particular area of life which can come from internal or external > >> factors. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all mathematic > >>> > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any system of > >>> > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well > >> developed > >>> > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the > >> only > >>> > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between births > >> during one > >>> > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those > >> born during > >>> > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have > >> identical > >>> > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different > >> planetary > >>> > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in > >> placements. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji > >> intended the > >>> > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he > >> explicitly > >>> > instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply > >> the rule of > >>> > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing which was > >>> > obvious as a tradition. > >>> > > >>> > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been > >> divided into > >>> > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, ‘prashna > >>> > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal > >>> > khand’ > >>> > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics of > >> Indian > >>> > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no > >> escape from it. > >>> > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the planets, > >> strength > >>> > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg etc. > >> Now that > >>> > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the > >> astrologers > >>> > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to work > >> out all > >>> > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to be > >> generated > >>> > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth and > >> the place > >>> > of birth. > >>> > > >>> > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago had > >> to learn > >>> > all these skills and had to work it out manually. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what > >> mathematical > >>> > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be > >> studied. No > >>> > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above > >> information has > >>> > already been worked out. > >>> > > >>> > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something > >> which was > >>> > obviously essential and traditionally done. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was meant > >> for those > >>> > who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional > >> astrology. The > >>> > book is so difficult that even people like us find it difficult to > >>> > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over 20 > >> years into > >>> > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and > >> another 10 years > >>> > into the Lal Kitab. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been that > >> it > >>> > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of > >> astrology; > >>> > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk > >> remedies. It > >>> > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with the > >> mathematical > >>> > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely > >> nothing ‘unique’ or > >>> > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological > >> system which > >>> > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as > >> against the > >>> > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, then > >> there would > >>> > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all > >> over again. > >>> > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav > >> {khana } should > >>> > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would > >> any one > >>> > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of it? The > >>> > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the Bhav- > >> spashtha. > >>> > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a > >> bhav for > >>> > every horoscope I analyze. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Step Three : > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *Teve ki Durusti :* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. > >> There is an > >>> > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the traditional > >> astrology > >>> > known as nashta-jatak. > >>> > > >>> > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method for > >> it where > >>> > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied > >> collectively and > >>> > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart > >> rectification > >>> > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati uses a > >> thumb > >>> > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute accuracy. > >> Like other > >>> > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ > >> verification > >>> > though not in as much a rigorous form > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea > >> that he was > >>> > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of birth > >> and the > >>> > place of birth. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least > >> three > >>> > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the birth is > >> prior to > >>> > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the sun > >> in the 10 > >>> > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will > >>> > > >>> > determine the Lagna. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the > >> native’s > >>> > life based on the planetary positions in all the three > >> horoscopes. This > >>> > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar dekhna, > >> shaking > >>> > the lagna thrice. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th house > >> and the > >>> > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the > >> results of > >>> > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope with > >> the help of > >>> > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing > >> sahukara , > >>> > lending money etc. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with > >> medicines, a doctor > >>> > or a chemist. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the house > >> you were > >>> > born, or near that. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter in > >> the 8thhouse: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing problems ? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this problem? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, if > >> so, did he > >>> > live to be 80 or more? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is the > >> horoscope > >>> > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take up > >> the next > >>> > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets in > >> that > >>> > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct > >> horoscope. This > >>> > exercise needs both the time and the patience. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made for > >> each > >>> > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other > >> classics on > >>> > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other classics > >> of Vedic > >>> > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always > >> advisable to > >>> > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in cheap > >> books on > >>> > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, let > >> alone > >>> > the time of birth. * > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the palmistry [ > >> samudrik > >>> > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the Lal > >> Kitab [ Arun > >>> > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has been > >> given > >>> > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A > >> horoscope thus > >>> > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the > >> ancestral home. > >>> > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ verification > >> through the > >>> > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun > >> sanhita 1952 > >>> > edition page 64. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, > >> including me, > >>> > are proficient in the art of palm reading. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the time > >> because > >>> > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate time of > >> birth and > >>> > other details.* > >>> > > >>> > To be continued : > >>> > > >>> > *Next : * > >>> > > >>> > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s > >>> > > >>> > Step five : Devising upaya > >>> > > >>> > God bless you, > >>> > > >>> > *Bhooshan Priya* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Varun ji, the form extends to page 283 and the information on these 8 pages is very different from traditionally printed patrikas. Kindly crosscheck. Regards kulbir On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > The form is for keeping a birth record in simple every day language > as against the traditional Janma Patrika which is mostly in sanskrit > even today. > > Since these days the astrologers use computer software where the > birth record is entered and retained slightly differently. Therefore > it may not be fare to ask them to keep the birth record as per this > form. > > Even those who are using traditional Janma Patrika format, they also > get the printed blank Janma Patrika from the market and fill up the > relevent information in the blanks provided. > > I believe Pt Roopchand ji might have been using this format to keep > record of those who consulted him. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Sorry again gurubhai, it is page 277 of Armaan 1940. Kulbir >> >> On 1/21/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >> > Sorry varun bhaiji it is page 277 of farmaam 1940. Got the message >> > loud and clear. I will recheck every message before posting in > future. >> > Sorry kulbir >> > >> > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: >> >> Dear Kulbir Bhai, >> >> >> >> There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There is > no >> >> form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in > the >> >> Farman [ 1939 ed] >> >> >> >> Could you please check it again and let us know the correct page >> >> number and which form you are talking about and the edition. >> >> >> >> With regards, >> >> >> >> Varun Trivedi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance >> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Respected pt ji; >> >>> it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to > this >> >> topic the >> >>> simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the >> >> page 277 of >> >>> the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but > at >> >> the >> >>> momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast > capable >> >> of trying >> >>> it out. >> >>> regards >> >>> kulbir >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 1/20/09, <@> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > Dear Members, >> >>> > >> >>> > Horoscope : How to study it >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Step one : >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs >> >> which should >> >>> > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth > and >> >> the place >> >>> > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these >> >> three inputs. >> >>> > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run > into a >> >> hundred >> >>> > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of >> >> information. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has > to >> >> be equally >> >>> > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate > software >> >> [ based on >> >>> > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope >> >> software ever >> >>> > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] >> >> and is >> >>> > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers >> >> choose >> >>> > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra- > paksheeya >> >>> > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a >> >> modified >> >>> > version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha >> >> choice is very >> >>> > important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna > and >> >> the planets >> >>> > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional > charts >> >> etc. The >> >>> > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings >> >> also. Therefore >> >>> > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick > to. >> >> Later >> >>> > through experience you might evolve your own modified > ayanansha. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of >> >> astrology, be it >> >>> > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other >> >> paddhati. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Step Two : >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or > zodiac >> >> sign, >> >>> > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a >> >> number >> >>> > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ >> >>> > or >> >>> > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma >> >>> > Kundali >> >>> > has >> >> to >> >>> > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is > commonly >> >> known as >> >>> > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be >> >> erased and the >> >>> > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be > marked >> >>> > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have > to >> >> choose >> >>> > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or > the >> >> unequal >> >>> > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I > follow >> >> the >> >>> > traditional equal house system. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether > the >> >> Bhava >> >>> > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the >> >> following reasons >> >>> > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi > Kundali.* >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of >> >> the Vedic >> >>> > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air >> >> advocating a >> >>> > different system as some people would like us to believe. The >> >> book is, at >> >>> > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of > astronomical >> >> data. >> >>> > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on >> >> Nakshatra , some >> >>> > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the >> >> combinations of >> >>> > these. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi >> >> panchang >> >>> > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji >> >>> > didn’t >> >>> > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own > form of >> >>> > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did > not >> >> want to >> >>> > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of > 1952 >> >> ed it >> >>> > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein > banaya hua >> >>> > makaan … ‘ ] >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, > then >> >> what was >> >>> > left there to go by? >> >>> > >> >>> > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { > house }. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step > necessary >> >>> > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means >> >> mood/attitude/feeling(like >> >>> > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have >> >> towards >> >>> > particular area of life which can come from internal or > external >> >> factors. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all > mathematic >> >>> > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any > system of >> >>> > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well >> >> developed >> >>> > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the >> >> only >> >>> > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between > births >> >> during one >> >>> > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those >> >> born during >> >>> > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have >> >> identical >> >>> > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different >> >> planetary >> >>> > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in >> >> placements. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji >> >> intended the >> >>> > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he >> >> explicitly >> >>> > instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply >> >> the rule of >> >>> > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing > which was >> >>> > obvious as a tradition. >> >>> > >> >>> > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been >> >> divided into >> >>> > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, >> >>> > ‘prashna >> >>> > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal >> >>> > khand’ >> >>> > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics > of >> >> Indian >> >>> > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no >> >> escape from it. >> >>> > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the > planets, >> >> strength >> >>> > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg > etc. >> >> Now that >> >>> > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the >> >> astrologers >> >>> > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to > work >> >> out all >> >>> > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to > be >> >> generated >> >>> > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth > and >> >> the place >> >>> > of birth. >> >>> > >> >>> > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago > had >> >> to learn >> >>> > all these skills and had to work it out manually. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what >> >> mathematical >> >>> > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be >> >> studied. No >> >>> > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above >> >> information has >> >>> > already been worked out. >> >>> > >> >>> > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something >> >> which was >> >>> > obviously essential and traditionally done. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was > meant >> >> for those >> >>> > who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional >> >> astrology. The >> >>> > book is so difficult that even people like us find it > difficult to >> >>> > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over > 20 >> >> years into >> >>> > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and >> >> another 10 years >> >>> > into the Lal Kitab. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been > that >> >> it >> >>> > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of >> >> astrology; >> >>> > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk >> >> remedies. It >> >>> > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with > the >> >> mathematical >> >>> > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely >> >> nothing ‘unique’ or >> >>> > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological >> >> system which >> >>> > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as >> >> against the >> >>> > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, > then >> >> there would >> >>> > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all >> >> over again. >> >>> > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav >> >> {khana } should >> >>> > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would >> >> any one >> >>> > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of > it? The >> >>> > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the > Bhav- >> >> spashtha. >> >>> > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a >> >> bhav for >> >>> > every horoscope I analyze. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Step Three : >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *Teve ki Durusti :* >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. >> >> There is an >> >>> > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the > traditional >> >> astrology >> >>> > known as nashta-jatak. >> >>> > >> >>> > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method > for >> >> it where >> >>> > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied >> >> collectively and >> >>> > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart >> >> rectification >> >>> > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati > uses a >> >> thumb >> >>> > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute > accuracy. >> >> Like other >> >>> > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ >> >> verification >> >>> > though not in as much a rigorous form >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea >> >> that he was >> >>> > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of > birth >> >> and the >> >>> > place of birth. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least >> >> three >> >>> > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the > birth is >> >> prior to >> >>> > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the > sun >> >> in the 10 >> >>> > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will >> >>> > >> >>> > determine the Lagna. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the >> >> native’s >> >>> > life based on the planetary positions in all the three >> >> horoscopes. This >> >>> > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar > dekhna, >> >> shaking >> >>> > the lagna thrice. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th > house >> >> and the >> >>> > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the >> >> results of >> >>> > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope > with >> >> the help of >> >>> > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing >> >> sahukara , >> >>> > lending money etc. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with >> >> medicines, a doctor >> >>> > or a chemist. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the > house >> >> you were >> >>> > born, or near that. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter > in >> >> the 8thhouse: >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing > problems ? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this > problem? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, > if >> >> so, did he >> >>> > live to be 80 or more? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is > the >> >> horoscope >> >>> > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take > up >> >> the next >> >>> > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets > in >> >> that >> >>> > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct >> >> horoscope. This >> >>> > exercise needs both the time and the patience. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made > for >> >> each >> >>> > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other >> >> classics on >> >>> > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other > classics >> >> of Vedic >> >>> > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always >> >> advisable to >> >>> > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in > cheap >> >> books on >> >>> > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, > let >> >> alone >> >>> > the time of birth. * >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the > palmistry [ >> >> samudrik >> >>> > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the > Lal >> >> Kitab [ Arun >> >>> > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has > been >> >> given >> >>> > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A >> >> horoscope thus >> >>> > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the >> >> ancestral home. >> >>> > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ verification >> >> through the >> >>> > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun >> >> sanhita 1952 >> >>> > edition page 64. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, >> >> including me, >> >>> > are proficient in the art of palm reading. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the > time >> >> because >> >>> > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate > time of >> >> birth and >> >>> > other details.* >> >>> > >> >>> > To be continued : >> >>> > >> >>> > *Next : * >> >>> > >> >>> > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s >> >>> > >> >>> > Step five : Devising upaya >> >>> > >> >>> > God bless you, >> >>> > >> >>> > *Bhooshan Priya* >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, The matter of the 1940 edition from page 277 to 284 is in the form of blanks which can be filled out like a computer print out. This format is an excellent example for any one who might be interested in writing a software for Lal Kitab kundali. If the software could incorporate all the information contained in these forms , it would just be fantastic. Have a nice day Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > the form extends to page 283 and the information on these 8 > pages is very different from traditionally printed patrikas. Kindly > crosscheck. > > Regards > > kulbir > > > > > > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > The form is for keeping a birth record in simple every day language > > as against the traditional Janma Patrika which is mostly in sanskrit > > even today. > > > > Since these days the astrologers use computer software where the > > birth record is entered and retained slightly differently. Therefore > > it may not be fare to ask them to keep the birth record as per this > > form. > > > > Even those who are using traditional Janma Patrika format, they also > > get the printed blank Janma Patrika from the market and fill up the > > relevent information in the blanks provided. > > > > I believe Pt Roopchand ji might have been using this format to keep > > record of those who consulted him. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Sorry again gurubhai, it is page 277 of Armaan 1940. Kulbir > >> > >> On 1/21/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > Sorry varun bhaiji it is page 277 of farmaam 1940. Got the message > >> > loud and clear. I will recheck every message before posting in > > future. > >> > Sorry kulbir > >> > > >> > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > >> >> Dear Kulbir Bhai, > >> >> > >> >> There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There is > > no > >> >> form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in > > the > >> >> Farman [ 1939 ed] > >> >> > >> >> Could you please check it again and let us know the correct page > >> >> number and which form you are talking about and the edition. > >> >> > >> >> With regards, > >> >> > >> >> Varun Trivedi > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> , kulbir bance > >> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Respected pt ji; > >> >>> it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to > > this > >> >> topic the > >> >>> simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on the > >> >> page 277 of > >> >>> the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare but > > at > >> >> the > >> >>> momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast > > capable > >> >> of trying > >> >>> it out. > >> >>> regards > >> >>> kulbir > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On 1/20/09, <@> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Dear Members, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Horoscope : How to study it > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Step one : > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three inputs > >> >> which should > >> >>> > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of birth > > and > >> >> the place > >> >>> > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on these > >> >> three inputs. > >> >>> > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run > > into a > >> >> hundred > >> >>> > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of > >> >> information. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one has > > to > >> >> be equally > >> >>> > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate > > software > >> >> [ based on > >> >>> > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope > >> >> software ever > >> >>> > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, 2009] > >> >> and is > >> >>> > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the astrologers > >> >> choose > >> >>> > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra- > > paksheeya > >> >>> > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some use a > >> >> modified > >> >>> > version of their own based on their own experience. Ayanansha > >> >> choice is very > >> >>> > important because it could change the longitude of the Lagna > > and > >> >> the planets > >> >>> > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional > > charts > >> >> etc. The > >> >>> > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha timings > >> >> also. Therefore > >> >>> > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to stick > > to. > >> >> Later > >> >>> > through experience you might evolve your own modified > > ayanansha. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of > >> >> astrology, be it > >> >>> > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any other > >> >> paddhati. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Step Two : > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or > > zodiac > >> >> sign, > >> >>> > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with a > >> >> number > >> >>> > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or ‘House’ > >> >>> > or > >> >>> > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma > >> >>> > Kundali > >> >>> > has > >> >> to > >> >>> > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is > > commonly > >> >> known as > >> >>> > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be > >> >> erased and the > >> >>> > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be > > marked > >> >>> > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you have > > to > >> >> choose > >> >>> > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system or > > the > >> >> unequal > >> >>> > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I > > follow > >> >> the > >> >>> > traditional equal house system. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether > > the > >> >> Bhava > >> >>> > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the > >> >> following reasons > >> >>> > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi > > Kundali.* > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a part of > >> >> the Vedic > >> >>> > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air > >> >> advocating a > >> >>> > different system as some people would like us to believe. The > >> >> book is, at > >> >>> > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of > > astronomical > >> >> data. > >> >>> > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on > >> >> Nakshatra , some > >> >>> > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the > >> >> combinations of > >> >>> > these. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi > >> >> panchang > >> >>> > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji > >> >>> > didn’t > >> >>> > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own > > form of > >> >>> > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did > > not > >> >> want to > >> >>> > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 of > > 1952 > >> >> ed it > >> >>> > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein > > banaya hua > >> >>> > makaan … ‘ ] > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, > > then > >> >> what was > >> >>> > left there to go by? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { > > house }. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step > > necessary > >> >>> > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means > >> >> mood/attitude/feeling(like > >> >>> > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we have > >> >> towards > >> >>> > particular area of life which can come from internal or > > external > >> >> factors. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all > > mathematic > >> >>> > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any > > system of > >> >>> > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very well > >> >> developed > >> >>> > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is the > >> >> only > >> >>> > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between > > births > >> >> during one > >> >>> > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all those > >> >> born during > >> >>> > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have > >> >> identical > >> >>> > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different > >> >> planetary > >> >>> > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference in > >> >> placements. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji > >> >> intended the > >> >>> > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he > >> >> explicitly > >> >>> > instruct the readers in the book that they should first apply > >> >> the rule of > >> >>> > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing > > which was > >> >>> > obvious as a tradition. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had been > >> >> divided into > >> >>> > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, > >> >>> > ‘prashna > >> >>> > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh phal > >> >>> > khand’ > >> >>> > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the mathematics > > of > >> >> Indian > >> >>> > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was no > >> >> escape from it. > >> >>> > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the > > planets, > >> >> strength > >> >>> > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, ashatkvarg > > etc. > >> >> Now that > >> >>> > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of the > >> >> astrologers > >> >>> > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to > > work > >> >> out all > >> >>> > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had to > > be > >> >> generated > >> >>> > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of birth > > and > >> >> the place > >> >>> > of birth. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years ago > > had > >> >> to learn > >> >>> > all these skills and had to work it out manually. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on what > >> >> mathematical > >> >>> > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready to be > >> >> studied. No > >> >>> > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above > >> >> information has > >> >>> > already been worked out. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask something > >> >> which was > >> >>> > obviously essential and traditionally done. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was > > meant > >> >> for those > >> >>> > who were already familiar with and well versed in traditional > >> >> astrology. The > >> >>> > book is so difficult that even people like us find it > > difficult to > >> >>> > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted over > > 20 > >> >> years into > >> >>> > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and > >> >> another 10 years > >> >>> > into the Lal Kitab. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has been > > that > >> >> it > >> >>> > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of > >> >> astrology; > >> >>> > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk > >> >> remedies. It > >> >>> > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with > > the > >> >> mathematical > >> >>> > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a horoscope. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely > >> >> nothing ‘unique’ or > >> >>> > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an astrological > >> >> system which > >> >>> > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } as > >> >> against the > >> >>> > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, > > then > >> >> there would > >> >>> > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses all > >> >> over again. > >> >>> > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav > >> >> {khana } should > >> >>> > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how would > >> >> any one > >> >>> > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of > > it? The > >> >>> > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the > > Bhav- > >> >> spashtha. > >> >>> > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries of a > >> >> bhav for > >> >>> > every horoscope I analyze. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Step Three : > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *Teve ki Durusti :* > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at times. > >> >> There is an > >> >>> > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the > > traditional > >> >> astrology > >> >>> > known as nashta-jatak. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method > > for > >> >> it where > >> >>> > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied > >> >> collectively and > >> >>> > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart > >> >> rectification > >> >>> > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati > > uses a > >> >> thumb > >> >>> > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute > > accuracy. > >> >> Like other > >> >>> > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the rectification/ > >> >> verification > >> >>> > though not in as much a rigorous form > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague idea > >> >> that he was > >> >>> > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of > > birth > >> >> and the > >> >>> > place of birth. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at least > >> >> three > >> >>> > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the > > birth is > >> >> prior to > >> >>> > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with the > > sun > >> >> in the 10 > >> >>> > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will > >> >>> > > >> >>> > determine the Lagna. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of the > >> >> native’s > >> >>> > life based on the planetary positions in all the three > >> >> horoscopes. This > >> >>> > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar > > dekhna, > >> >> shaking > >> >>> > the lagna thrice. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th > > house > >> >> and the > >> >>> > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on the > >> >> results of > >> >>> > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope > > with > >> >> the help of > >> >>> > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family doing > >> >> sahukara , > >> >>> > lending money etc. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with > >> >> medicines, a doctor > >> >>> > or a chemist. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the > > house > >> >> you were > >> >>> > born, or near that. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the Jupiter > > in > >> >> the 8thhouse: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing > > problems ? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this > > problem? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years old, > > if > >> >> so, did he > >> >>> > live to be 80 or more? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this is > > the > >> >> horoscope > >> >>> > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then take > > up > >> >> the next > >> >>> > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the planets > > in > >> >> that > >> >>> > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct > >> >> horoscope. This > >> >>> > exercise needs both the time and the patience. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list made > > for > >> >> each > >> >>> > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any other > >> >> classics on > >> >>> > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other > > classics > >> >> of Vedic > >> >>> > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always > >> >> advisable to > >> >>> > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in > > cheap > >> >> books on > >> >>> > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics only. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, > > let > >> >> alone > >> >>> > the time of birth. * > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the > > palmistry [ > >> >> samudrik > >> >>> > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the > > Lal > >> >> Kitab [ Arun > >> >>> > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there has > > been > >> >> given > >> >>> > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a house. A > >> >> horoscope thus > >> >>> > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the > >> >> ancestral home. > >> >>> > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ verification > >> >> through the > >> >>> > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun > >> >> sanhita 1952 > >> >>> > edition page 64. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, > >> >> including me, > >> >>> > are proficient in the art of palm reading. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the > > time > >> >> because > >> >>> > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate > > time of > >> >> birth and > >> >>> > other details.* > >> >>> > > >> >>> > To be continued : > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *Next : * > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Step five : Devising upaya > >> >>> > > >> >>> > God bless you, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > *Bhooshan Priya* > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, Yes, as and when time permits we will fill up these forms with an example horoscope and post it in the group. Since it is a very time consuming job to do all this manually it might take some time. With regards and respect Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > you have all the means at yur disposal;if not a software at least u can show > a simlified way to fill this form; a person with your,pt bhooshanpriyaji or > shukla ji's intellect can find it a simple form which could be filled > manually by amatures but to people like me,it is too much hotch potch.please > give it a thought. > kulbir > > > On 1/22/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > The matter of the 1940 edition from page 277 to 284 is in the form of > > blanks which can be filled out like a computer print out. > > > > This format is an excellent example for any one who might be > > interested in writing a software for Lal Kitab kundali. If the > > software could incorporate all the information contained in these > > forms , it would just be fantastic. > > > > Have a nice day > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > the form extends to page 283 and the information on these 8 > > > pages is very different from traditionally printed patrikas. Kindly > > > crosscheck. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > The form is for keeping a birth record in simple every day > > language > > > > as against the traditional Janma Patrika which is mostly in > > sanskrit > > > > even today. > > > > > > > > Since these days the astrologers use computer software where the > > > > birth record is entered and retained slightly differently. > > Therefore > > > > it may not be fare to ask them to keep the birth record as per > > this > > > > form. > > > > > > > > Even those who are using traditional Janma Patrika format, they > > also > > > > get the printed blank Janma Patrika from the market and fill up > > the > > > > relevent information in the blanks provided. > > > > > > > > I believe Pt Roopchand ji might have been using this format to > > keep > > > > record of those who consulted him. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > kulbir bance > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Sorry again gurubhai, it is page 277 of Armaan 1940. Kulbir > > > >> > > > >> On 1/21/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> > Sorry varun bhaiji it is page 277 of farmaam 1940. Got the > > message > > > >> > loud and clear. I will recheck every message before posting in > > > > future. > > > >> > Sorry kulbir > > > >> > > > > >> > On 1/21/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > >> >> Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> There seems to be a mistake in quoting the page number. There > > is > > > > no > > > >> >> form on page 277 of any of the Lal Kitab editions specially in > > > > the > > > >> >> Farman [ 1939 ed] > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Could you please check it again and let us know the correct > > page > > > >> >> number and which form you are talking about and the edition. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> With regards, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Varun Trivedi > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> --- In <% 40>, > > kulbir bance > > > >> >> <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Respected pt ji; > > > >> >>> it would be a precious gift for the group if u could add to > > > > this > > > >> >> topic the > > > >> >>> simplified, modified and practical form of the form given on > > the > > > >> >> page 277 of > > > >> >>> the Farmaan. i know you have precious little time to spare > > but > > > > at > > > >> >> the > > > >> >>> momment i can request you only as being capable or atleast > > > > capable > > > >> >> of trying > > > >> >>> it out. > > > >> >>> regards > > > >> >>> kulbir > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> On 1/20/09, <@> wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Dear Members, > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Horoscope : How to study it > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Step one : > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is the first step. You need three > > inputs > > > >> >> which should > > > >> >>> > be as accurate as possible i.e. date of birth, time of > > birth > > > > and > > > >> >> the place > > > >> >>> > of birth. The accuracy of the horoscope will depend on > > these > > > >> >> three inputs. > > > >> >>> > Entire mathematical data of the horoscope which might run > > > > into a > > > >> >> hundred > > > >> >>> > pages at times will be generated from these three pieces of > > > >> >> information. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > As one has to be very accurate about the birth data, one > > has > > > > to > > > >> >> be equally > > > >> >>> > careful about choosing the most exhaustive and accurate > > > > software > > > >> >> [ based on > > > >> >>> > classical texts ] to cast the horoscope. The best horoscope > > > >> >> software ever > > > >> >>> > written is Jagannath Hora version 7.32 [ of Jauary 14, > > 2009] > > > >> >> and is > > > >> >>> > free to download. The software can be downloaded from: > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/ > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Next you have to choose the ayanansha. Most of the > > astrologers > > > >> >> choose > > > >> >>> > Lahiri ayanansha which is also known as Ketkar’s Chitra- > > > > paksheeya > > > >> >>> > ayanansha. Some people use Raman’s Ayanansha, still some > > use a > > > >> >> modified > > > >> >>> > version of their own based on their own experience. > > Ayanansha > > > >> >> choice is very > > > >> >>> > important because it could change the longitude of the > > Lagna > > > > and > > > >> >> the planets > > > >> >>> > which might get magnified when you come to the divisional > > > > charts > > > >> >> etc. The > > > >> >>> > choice of Ayanansha will change the Vinsottari dasha > > timings > > > >> >> also. Therefore > > > >> >>> > one has to be careful as to which ayanansha he wants to > > stick > > > > to. > > > >> >> Later > > > >> >>> > through experience you might evolve your own modified > > > > ayanansha. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Casting a horoscope is a common drill for all paddhatis of > > > >> >> astrology, be it > > > >> >>> > traditional astrology, Lal Kitab or Krishnamurthy or any > > other > > > >> >> paddhati. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Step Two : > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Janma Kundali cast as above will be based on the ‘rasi’ or > > > > zodiac > > > >> >> sign, > > > >> >>> > where the rising sign or the Ascendant will be marked with > > a > > > >> >> number > > > >> >>> > signifying the zodiac sign or the ‘rasi’. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Since the Lal Kitab paddhati is based on ‘Khana’ or > > ‘House’ > > > >> >>> > or > > > >> >>> > ‘Bhava’ and not on Rasi or ‘sign’ therefore the Janma > > > >> >>> > Kundali > > > >> >>> > has > > > >> >> to > > > >> >>> > be further converted into the Bhava Kundali or what is > > > > commonly > > > >> >> known as > > > >> >>> > Chalit Kundali. Lal Kitab calls it that the Rasi numbers be > > > >> >> erased and the > > > >> >>> > lagna be marked as house # 1; and the rest of the houses be > > > > marked > > > >> >>> > accordingly in an astrological sequence. Here again you > > have > > > > to > > > >> >> choose > > > >> >>> > whether you want to go by the method of equal house system > > or > > > > the > > > >> >> unequal > > > >> >>> > house system. There are followers of both the methods. I > > > > follow > > > >> >> the > > > >> >>> > traditional equal house system. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *There is a controversy between Lal Kitab followers whether > > > > the > > > >> >> Bhava > > > >> >>> > Kundali be used or the Rasi kundali be used. I have the > > > >> >> following reasons > > > >> >>> > why I prefer to use the Bhava Kundali and not the Rasi > > > > Kundali.* > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > The first thing to remember is that the Lal Kitab is a > > part of > > > >> >> the Vedic > > > >> >>> > tradition in Indian astrology. It is not a book of the air > > > >> >> advocating a > > > >> >>> > different system as some people would like us to believe. > > The > > > >> >> book is, at > > > >> >>> > most places, an extension of vedic concepts. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Indian systems of astrology work on various forms of > > > > astronomical > > > >> >> data. > > > >> >>> > Some are entirely based on Rasi , some on Bhav , some on > > > >> >> Nakshatra , some > > > >> >>> > on Panchang { 5 parameters } and yet some others on the > > > >> >> combinations of > > > >> >>> > these. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Lal Kitab states, “rasi chhor nakshatra bhulaya , na hi koi > > > >> >> panchang > > > >> >>> > liya�� . This statement doesn’t mean that Pt. Roopchand ji > > > >> >>> > didn’t > > > >> >>> > follow any of the known forms, or that he created his own > > > > form of > > > >> >>> > astronomical data to work upon. All it means is that he did > > > > not > > > >> >> want to > > > >> >>> > complicate astrology and wanted it to stay simple. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [incidentally, Lal Kitab uses Nakshatra too, on page 1131 > > of > > > > 1952 > > > >> >> ed it > > > >> >>> > says ‘ shuroo se aakheer kul ka kul pukh nakshatra mein > > > > banaya hua > > > >> >>> > makaan … ‘ ] > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > If Pt. Roopchand ji eliminated the parameters listed above, > > > > then > > > >> >> what was > > > >> >>> > left there to go by? > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Obviously the Bhav system. Lal Kitab calls it Khana { > > > > house }. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *The first question asked is, “Why is bhav spashtha step > > > > necessary > > > >> >>> > before analyzing a horoscope?�� * > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Bhava is a sanskrit name for house. Bhava means > > > >> >> mood/attitude/feeling(like > > > >> >>> > bhava-bhakti) and the planets in houses shows attitude we > > have > > > >> >> towards > > > >> >>> > particular area of life which can come from internal or > > > > external > > > >> >> factors. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Bhav spashtha is a mathematical technique and like all > > > > mathematic > > > >> >>> > techniques is not system specific. It can be used in any > > > > system of > > > >> >>> > astrology. You would be aware that astrology has a very > > well > > > >> >> developed > > > >> >>> > mathematics. Just recapitulating briefly, Bhav spashtha is > > the > > > >> >> only > > > >> >>> > mathematical process or technique to distinguish between > > > > births > > > >> >> during one > > > >> >>> > lagna period of about two hours. The Rasi chart for all > > those > > > >> >> born during > > > >> >>> > that lagna {two hours } will be identical but will not have > > > >> >> identical > > > >> >>> > destinies. Therefore, logically they should have different > > > >> >> planetary > > > >> >>> > placements. Bhav spasht alone can bring out the difference > > in > > > >> >> placements. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *The next question, often asked, is “If Pt. Roopchand ji > > > >> >> intended the > > > >> >>> > system to be based on Bhav { khana }, then why didn’t he > > > >> >> explicitly > > > >> >>> > instruct the readers in the book that they should first > > apply > > > >> >> the rule of > > > >> >>> > bhav spashtha before analyzing the horoscope.?�� * > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > The answer is simple: He didn’t have to state some thing > > > > which was > > > >> >>> > obvious as a tradition. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Traditionally the entire astrology learning in India had > > been > > > >> >> divided into > > > >> >>> > sections like ‘ganit khand’ , ‘phalit khand’, > > > >> >>> > ‘prashna > > > >> >>> > khand’ , ‘mahurt khand’ , ‘samhita khand’, ‘varsh > > phal > > > >> >>> > khand’ > > > >> >>> > etc ; just to name a few. Therefore learning the > > mathematics > > > > of > > > >> >> Indian > > > >> >>> > astrology was the first step for all aspirants. There was > > no > > > >> >> escape from it. > > > >> >>> > It included working out the ascendant, longitudes of the > > > > planets, > > > >> >> strength > > > >> >>> > of the houses and planets, various dasha systems, > > ashatkvarg > > > > etc. > > > >> >> Now that > > > >> >>> > the computer soft wares do all these calculations, most of > > the > > > >> >> astrologers > > > >> >>> > are not even aware of what it is all about let alone how to > > > > work > > > >> >> out all > > > >> >>> > these necessary components of study. Remember all this had > > to > > > > be > > > >> >> generated > > > >> >>> > from three bits of information; date of birth, time of > > birth > > > > and > > > >> >> the place > > > >> >>> > of birth. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Most of us who were introduced to astrology some 30 years > > ago > > > > had > > > >> >> to learn > > > >> >>> > all these skills and had to work it out manually. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > No classic book on astrology ever instructs a learner on > > what > > > >> >> mathematical > > > >> >>> > steps he is supposed to take before a horoscope is ready > > to be > > > >> >> studied. No > > > >> >>> > horoscope would be ready to be studied unless all the above > > > >> >> information has > > > >> >>> > already been worked out. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Then why expect Pt. Roopchand ji to specifically ask > > something > > > >> >> which was > > > >> >>> > obviously essential and traditionally done. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Lal Kitab was not written for the beginners. The Book was > > > > meant > > > >> >> for those > > > >> >>> > who were already familiar with and well versed in > > traditional > > > >> >> astrology. The > > > >> >>> > book is so difficult that even people like us find it > > > > difficult to > > > >> >>> > understand the nuances; although some of us had devoted > > over > > > > 20 > > > >> >> years into > > > >> >>> > Vedic system before being acquainted to the Lal Kitab ; and > > > >> >> another 10 years > > > >> >>> > into the Lal Kitab. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > The most significant contribution of the Lal Kitab has > > been > > > > that > > > >> >> it > > > >> >>> > introduced to the then astrologers the ‘samadhan’ aspect of > > > >> >> astrology; > > > >> >>> > the solution aspect of various problems through simple folk > > > >> >> remedies. It > > > >> >>> > assumes that the astrologers would already be familiar with > > > > the > > > >> >> mathematical > > > >> >>> > techniques and would apply them before analyzing a > > horoscope. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Now coming to the Lal Kitab , there is absolutely > > > >> >> nothing ‘unique’ or > > > >> >>> > unusual to use the Bhav-spashtha technique for an > > astrological > > > >> >> system which > > > >> >>> > is exclusively based on the Bhav { or khana as it calls } > > as > > > >> >> against the > > > >> >>> > Rasi . Had the book taken both Bhav and Rasi as synonymous, > > > > then > > > >> >> there would > > > >> >>> > have been no need to erase the Rasi and number the houses > > all > > > >> >> over again. > > > >> >>> > This is done to emphasize the fact that the houses or Bhav > > > >> >> {khana } should > > > >> >>> > be considered for delineation and not the Rasi. Now, how > > would > > > >> >> any one > > > >> >>> > consider a Bhav or khana without knowing the boundaries of > > > > it? The > > > >> >>> > boundaries of a Bhav or khana can only be known through the > > > > Bhav- > > > >> >> spashtha. > > > >> >>> > Hence there is a need to incorporate this step. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > I use bhav spashtha technique to ascertain the boundaries > > of a > > > >> >> bhav for > > > >> >>> > every horoscope I analyze. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Step Three : > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *Teve ki Durusti :* > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Every paddhati of Jyotish needs doing this exercise at > > times. > > > >> >> There is an > > > >> >>> > entire procedure of finding the correct lagna in the > > > > traditional > > > >> >> astrology > > > >> >>> > known as nashta-jatak. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Apart from nashta-jatak, people use sudarshan chakra method > > > > for > > > >> >> it where > > > >> >>> > the lagna, surya lagna and the Chandra lagna are studied > > > >> >> collectively and > > > >> >>> > also separately. The KP paddhati has developed the chart > > > >> >> rectification > > > >> >>> > into a very fine art. We all know that the Naadi paddhati > > > > uses a > > > >> >> thumb > > > >> >>> > impression to cast the entire horoscope with absolute > > > > accuracy. > > > >> >> Like other > > > >> >>> > paddhatis, Lal Kitab also has talked about the > > rectification/ > > > >> >> verification > > > >> >>> > though not in as much a rigorous form > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > It is to be done in these extraneous situations: > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *[ A ] When the exact time of birth is not known.* > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Suppose a native approaches an astrologer who has a vague > > idea > > > >> >> that he was > > > >> >>> > born before noon some time, of course he knows the date of > > > > birth > > > >> >> and the > > > >> >>> > place of birth. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > In this situation the astrologer will have to prepare at > > least > > > >> >> three > > > >> >>> > horoscopes for him with three different Lagna. Since the > > > > birth is > > > >> >> prior to > > > >> >>> > the noon, the three horoscopes will have to be cast with > > the > > > > sun > > > >> >> in the 10 > > > >> >>> > th, 11th and the 12th. The position of the Sun will > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > determine the Lagna. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > The next step will be to tally some of the major events of > > the > > > >> >> native’s > > > >> >>> > life based on the planetary positions in all the three > > > >> >> horoscopes. This > > > >> >>> > is what the Lal Kitab calls Lagna ko teen bar hila kar > > > > dekhna, > > > >> >> shaking > > > >> >>> > the lagna thrice. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Suppose in a horoscope, the Jupiter is placed in the 8th > > > > house > > > >> >> and the > > > >> >>> > Mars in the 5th house. The questions can be asked based on > > the > > > >> >> results of > > > >> >>> > these two planets. This is known as verifying the horoscope > > > > with > > > >> >> the help of > > > >> >>> > Nishaniyan [ symptoms] in the context of the Lal Kitab. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > For Mars in the 5th house the questions can be : > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ a ] Was any of your elders [ ancestors ] in the family > > doing > > > >> >> sahukara , > > > >> >>> > lending money etc. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ b ] Was or is some one in your family associated with > > > >> >> medicines, a doctor > > > >> >>> > or a chemist. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ c ] Was there a neem tree either in the compound of the > > > > house > > > >> >> you were > > > >> >>> > born, or near that. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Similarly verification questions can be asked for the > > Jupiter > > > > in > > > >> >> the 8thhouse: > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ a ] Does some one in your family has or had breathing > > > > problems ? > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ b ] If not, does or did your father-in-law have this > > > > problem? > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > [ c ] Was your grandfather alive till you were 8 years > > old, > > > > if > > > >> >> so, did he > > > >> >>> > live to be 80 or more? > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > If most of the answers are affirmative, then you know this > > is > > > > the > > > >> >> horoscope > > > >> >>> > of the native. If the answers are in the negative, then > > take > > > > up > > > >> >> the next > > > >> >>> > horoscope and ask about the symptoms indicated by the > > planets > > > > in > > > >> >> that > > > >> >>> > horoscope. Keep on doing it till you strike the correct > > > >> >> horoscope. This > > > >> >>> > exercise needs both the time and the patience. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > These symptoms or nishaniyan can be collected and a list > > made > > > > for > > > >> >> each > > > >> >>> > planet in each house while reading the Lal Kitab or any > > other > > > >> >> classics on > > > >> >>> > astrology. The symptoms given in the Lal Kitab and other > > > > classics > > > >> >> of Vedic > > > >> >>> > astrology would be similar most of the time. It is always > > > >> >> advisable to > > > >> >>> > collect these symptoms from as many classics as possible. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Just a word of warning, do not go by the symptoms given in > > > > cheap > > > >> >> books on > > > >> >>> > astrology sold on the pavements; stick to the classics > > only. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *[ B ] When the native doesn’t know even the date of birth, > > > > let > > > >> >> alone > > > >> >>> > the time of birth. * > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Such horoscopes have to be cast with the help of the > > > > palmistry [ > > > >> >> samudrik > > > >> >>> > sashtra ]. There is an elaborate procedure laid down in the > > > > Lal > > > >> >> Kitab [ Arun > > > >> >>> > Sanhita 1952, page 58 ]. Through out the Lal Kitab there > > has > > > > been > > > >> >> given > > > >> >>> > the companion kyafa of the palm for each planet in a > > house. A > > > >> >> horoscope thus > > > >> >>> > cast is verified through symptoms as in the example above. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > At times a cross check is also made through the help of the > > > >> >> ancestral home. > > > >> >>> > This is known as *makan ki madad se durusti* [ > > verification > > > >> >> through the > > > >> >>> > help of ancestral home ]. You can read the details in Arun > > > >> >> sanhita 1952 > > > >> >>> > edition page 64. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > This is a difficult procedure because not many astrologers, > > > >> >> including me, > > > >> >>> > are proficient in the art of palm reading. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *Anyway, the above verification is not required most of the > > > > time > > > >> >> because > > > >> >>> > all those who consult an astrologer come up with accurate > > > > time of > > > >> >> birth and > > > >> >>> > other details.* > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > To be continued : > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *Next : * > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Step four: Identifying the planet/s causing problem/s > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Step five : Devising upaya > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > God bless you, > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > *Bhooshan Priya* > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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