LAL kitab remedies with scientific approach.

[Guest guest]

Respected Members,

 

Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

generation will do the research from where the first generation

Left.(not from zero).

Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take seconds,

and other we have to wait for months.

In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be same;

either you do in India or abroad.

Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge

they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is changed

very much for example:

Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep

the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941 there

are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way

back 1941.

Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case of

putting the things in well.

Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

 

Humbly requested by

Yogita

[Guest guest]

Respected Yogita ji,

 

Excellent ! We agree with you entirely.

 

In this group our efforts are to have a relook at the Lal Kitab with

a very rational and logical mind; in short through a very scientific

approach. If you go through the archives you will find that we have

maintained our spirit, in spite of criticism from some old

traditional quarters.

 

A water tank on the roof, per se, doesn’t become an act of upaya

unless there is a sankalp behind it. Every upaya is a deliberate act

done with a purpose to balance the planetary effect; there is always

a sankalp of purpose while doing so.

 

Therefore building a water tank on the roof is an every day act, like

storing rice, chana dal, sugar, gur, sabut moong, ghee, tawa,

dhaniya, onions etc in the kitchen. Storing all these things in the

kitchen does not mean that we have established the karak planets of

these objects in the kitchen.

 

Therefore a water tank on the roof will not be considered as moon

placed in the 12th house unless the water has been deliberately

established there as a part of an upaya with a sankalp behind it. It

is a different matter that may be one has to keep in mind the vaastu

principle before putting a water tank on the roof.

 

Yes you are right that there are no wells in a city. They are fast

getting into disuse even in the villages after the hand pumps have

become so common. Therefore, the upaya to be done in a well can be

done in any source of natural water from the underground. You can

easily find a pond or talab deep enough which gets its water, a part

of it if not all, from the springs down below [ chashme ka paani]. I

know some old traditionalists may not agree with it, but then there

is no way out.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " yog_ita2003 "

<yog_ita2003 wrote:

>

> Respected Members,

>

> Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

> generation will do the research from where the first generation

> Left.(not from zero).

> Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

seconds,

> and other we have to wait for months.

> In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

same;

> either you do in India or abroad.

> Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge

> they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

changed

> very much for example:

> Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep

> the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

there

> are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way

> back 1941.

> Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

of

> putting the things in well.

> Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

>

> Humbly requested by

> Yogita

>

[Guest guest]

Sirs,

 

Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one calls

from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times this

has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an important

work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone rings.

Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like to

hear your views.

 

Sincerely,

 

Girish Raheja

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " yog_ita2003 "

<yog_ita2003 wrote:

>

> Respected Members,

>

> Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

> generation will do the research from where the first generation

> Left.(not from zero).

> Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

seconds,

> and other we have to wait for months.

> In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

same;

> either you do in India or abroad.

> Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge

> they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

changed

> very much for example:

> Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep

> the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

there

> are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way

> back 1941.

> Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

of

> putting the things in well.

> Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

>

> Humbly requested by

> Yogita

>

[Guest guest]

Friends,

If WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,

wrong house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

place etc . will not have any adverse effect if done inadvertently.

 

The use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

effect the native.This is my humble opinion.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 12:18:22 PMLK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific approach.

 

Respected Yogita ji,Excellent ! We agree with you entirely. In this group our efforts are to have a relook at the Lal Kitab with a very rational and logical mind; in short through a very scientific approach. If you go through the archives you will find that we have maintained our spirit, in spite of criticism from some old traditional quarters.A water tank on the roof, per se, doesn’t become an act of upaya unless there is a sankalp behind it. Every upaya is a deliberate act done with a purpose to balance the planetary effect; there is always a sankalp of purpose while doing so. Therefore building a water tank on the roof is an every day act, like storing rice, chana dal, sugar, gur, sabut moong, ghee, tawa, dhaniya, onions etc in the kitchen. Storing all these things in the kitchen does not mean that we have established the karak planets of these objects in the

kitchen.Therefore a water tank on the roof will not be considered as moon placed in the 12th house unless the water has been deliberately established there as a part of an upaya with a sankalp behind it. It is a different matter that may be one has to keep in mind the vaastu principle before putting a water tank on the roof.Yes you are right that there are no wells in a city. They are fast getting into disuse even in the villages after the hand pumps have become so common. Therefore, the upaya to be done in a well can be done in any source of natural water from the underground. You can easily find a pond or talab deep enough which gets its water, a part of it if not all, from the springs down below [ chashme ka paani]. I know some old traditionalists may not agree with it, but then there is no way out.Regards,Varun Trivedi , "yog_ita2003" <yog_ita2003@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Members,> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign> countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the> results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next> generation will do the research from where the first generation> Left.(not from zero).> Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take seconds,> and other we have to wait for months. > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be same;> either you do in India or abroad.> Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge> they gained by repeated study of

Lal-kitab. > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is changed> very much for example:> Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep> the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941 there> are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can> see water tank on the roof in almost every house.> What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.> Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way> back 1941. > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case of> putting the things in well.> Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and> experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group. > > Humbly requested by> Yogita>

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[Guest guest]

Respected Goel saheb,

 

You seem to have misunderstood what I have said.

 

I have said that any action becomes an upaya only if there is a

sankalp of purpose behind it.

 

Secondly, as regards the main door of a house or the direction of a

water tank over the house I had already said in my reply that

 

// one has to keep in mind the vaastu > principle before putting a

water tank on the roof.//

 

 

With great regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Friends,

> If WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,then

> wrong house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

> place etc . will not have any adverse effect if done inadvertently.

>

> The use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

> effect the native.This is my humble opinion..

> Regards,

>  G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 12:18:22 PM

> LK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific

approach.

>

>

> Respected Yogita ji,

>

> Excellent ! We agree with you entirely.

>

> In this group our efforts are to have a relook at the Lal Kitab with

> a very rational and logical mind; in short through a very scientific

> approach. If you go through the archives you will find that we have

> maintained our spirit, in spite of criticism from some old

> traditional quarters.

>

> A water tank on the roof, per se, doesn’t become an act of upaya

> unless there is a sankalp behind it. Every upaya is a deliberate act

> done with a purpose to balance the planetary effect; there is always

> a sankalp of purpose while doing so.

>

> Therefore building a water tank on the roof is an every day act,

like

> storing rice, chana dal, sugar, gur, sabut moong, ghee, tawa,

> dhaniya, onions etc in the kitchen. Storing all these things in the

> kitchen does not mean that we have established the karak planets of

> these objects in the kitchen.

>

> Therefore a water tank on the roof will not be considered as moon

> placed in the 12th house unless the water has been deliberately

> established there as a part of an upaya with a sankalp behind it. It

> is a different matter that may be one has to keep in mind the vaastu

> principle before putting a water tank on the roof.

>

> Yes you are right that there are no wells in a city. They are fast

> getting into disuse even in the villages after the hand pumps have

> become so common. Therefore, the upaya to be done in a well can be

> done in any source of natural water from the underground. You can

> easily find a pond or talab deep enough which gets its water, a part

> of it if not all, from the springs down below [ chashme ka paani]. I

> know some old traditionalists may not agree with it, but then there

> is no way out.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " yog_ita2003 "

> <yog_ita2003@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > Left.(not from zero).

> > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> seconds,

> > and other we have to wait for months.

> > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

> same;

> > either you do in India or abroad.

> > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> changed

> > very much for example:

> > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

> there

> > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house..

> > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in

way

> > back 1941.

> > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

> of

> > putting the things in well.

> > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> >

> > Humbly requested by

> > Yogita

> >

>

>

>

>

> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/

>

[Guest guest]

I think this is not correct interpretation. If we leave the

window open, air will come in – sankalp or not. If we have an ivory ring inside

the house, and if Rahu is posited malefically, sankalp or not, one will be

running for cover.

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Gopal Goel

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 21:50

 

LK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific

approach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Friends,

 

 

If

WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,

 

 

wrong

house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

 

 

place

etc . will not have any adverse effect if done inadvertently.

 

 

 

 

 

The

use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

 

 

effect

the native.This is my humble opinion.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd

 

Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 12:18:22 PM

LK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific

approach.

 

Respected Yogita ji,

 

Excellent ! We agree with you entirely.

 

In this group our efforts are to have a relook at the Lal Kitab with

a very rational and logical mind; in short through a very scientific

approach. If you go through the archives you will find that we have

maintained our spirit, in spite of criticism from some old

traditional quarters.

 

A water tank on the roof, per se, doesn’t become an act of upaya

unless there is a sankalp behind it. Every upaya is a deliberate act

done with a purpose to balance the planetary effect; there is always

a sankalp of purpose while doing so.

 

Therefore building a water tank on the roof is an every day act, like

storing rice, chana dal, sugar, gur, sabut moong, ghee, tawa,

dhaniya, onions etc in the kitchen. Storing all these things in the

kitchen does not mean that we have established the karak planets of

these objects in the kitchen.

 

Therefore a water tank on the roof will not be considered as moon

placed in the 12th house unless the water has been deliberately

established there as a part of an upaya with a sankalp behind it. It

is a different matter that may be one has to keep in mind the vaastu

principle before putting a water tank on the roof.

 

Yes you are right that there are no wells in a city. They are fast

getting into disuse even in the villages after the hand pumps have

become so common. Therefore, the upaya to be done in a well can be

done in any source of natural water from the underground. You can

easily find a pond or talab deep enough which gets its water, a part

of it if not all, from the springs down below [ chashme ka paani]. I

know some old traditionalists may not agree with it, but then there

is no way out.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

, " yog_ita2003 "

<yog_ita2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> Respected Members,

>

> Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

> generation will do the research from where the first generation

> Left.(not from zero).

> Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

seconds,

> and other we have to wait for months.

> In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

same;

> either you do in India or abroad.

> Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge

> they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

changed

> very much for example:

> Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep

> the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

there

> are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way

> back 1941.

> Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

of

> putting the things in well.

> Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

>

> Humbly requested by

> Yogita

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Rajni bhai,

 

The sankalp is necessary to make the purpose of the action known as

an upaya. You may not find it necessary, I have no argument there.

 

If an ivory ring happens to be in the house, it was not placed there

as an upaya; it just happened to be there. Therefore the sankalp did

not come into play. Similarly, about the window, when it was opened

in the first instance, it was opened intentionally to let the air in.

The purpose is always there. Therefore we believe that an upaya is a

deliberate act, done with a definite purpose, this is what is known

as a sankalp; a deliberate intention for a purpose.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rajni Khan "

<rajni.khan wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> I think this is not correct interpretation. If we leave the window

open, air will come in †" sankalp or not. If we have an ivory ring

inside the house, and if Rahu is posited malefically, sankalp or not,

one will be running for cover.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Rajni Khan

>

>

>

>

On Behalf Of Gopal Goel

> Tuesday, December 09, 2008 21:50

>

> LK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific

approach.

>

>

>

> Friends,

>

> If WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,

>

> wrong house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

>

> place etc . will not have any adverse effect if done inadvertently.

>

>

>

> The use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

>

> effect the native.This is my humble opinion.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 12:18:22 PM

> LK discussion group Re: LAL kitab remedies with scientific

approach.

>

> Respected Yogita ji,

>

> Excellent ! We agree with you entirely.

>

> In this group our efforts are to have a relook at the Lal Kitab with

> a very rational and logical mind; in short through a very scientific

> approach. If you go through the archives you will find that we have

> maintained our spirit, in spite of criticism from some old

> traditional quarters.

>

> A water tank on the roof, per se, doesn’t become an act of upaya

> unless there is a sankalp behind it. Every upaya is a deliberate act

> done with a purpose to balance the planetary effect; there is always

> a sankalp of purpose while doing so.

>

> Therefore building a water tank on the roof is an every day act,

like

> storing rice, chana dal, sugar, gur, sabut moong, ghee, tawa,

> dhaniya, onions etc in the kitchen. Storing all these things in the

> kitchen does not mean that we have established the karak planets of

> these objects in the kitchen.

>

> Therefore a water tank on the roof will not be considered as moon

> placed in the 12th house unless the water has been deliberately

> established there as a part of an upaya with a sankalp behind it. It

> is a different matter that may be one has to keep in mind the vaastu

> principle before putting a water tank on the roof.

>

> Yes you are right that there are no wells in a city. They are fast

> getting into disuse even in the villages after the hand pumps have

> become so common. Therefore, the upaya to be done in a well can be

> done in any source of natural water from the underground. You can

> easily find a pond or talab deep enough which gets its water, a part

> of it if not all, from the springs down below [ chashme ka paani]. I

> know some old traditionalists may not agree with it, but then there

> is no way out.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> <%

40> , " yog_ita2003 "

> <yog_ita2003@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > Left.(not from zero).

> > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> seconds,

> > and other we have to wait for months.

> > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

> same;

> > either you do in India or abroad.

> > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> changed

> > very much for example:

> > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

> there

> > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in

way

> > back 1941.

> > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

> of

> > putting the things in well.

> > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> >

> > Humbly requested by

> > Yogita

> _____

>

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Res Raheja Ji

If we understand the root-principles of any remedial process,we will

achieve the solutions also.In these days due to the use of Mobile

Phone ,anyone call u at any time ,even at the time of moving out from

home.In my opinion:-

" AGAR KETU KHANA 11 KE TEVEY WALE INSAAN KE SAATH GHAR SE NIKALTEY

VAQT AUR KHAAS TAUR PAR JAB GHAR SE BAAHAR KI TARAF INSAAN POORI

TAYYARI SE APNE ROZGAAR YA KHAAS KAAM KE LIYE NIKAL RAHAA HO TO,

ACHAANAK MOBILE CALL AANAA MANDEY KETU KI NISHAANI KE TAUR PAR HEE

LIYAA JAANAA CHAHIYE.LEKIN SIRF KETU 11 WALE INSAAN KO YA JISKAA

VARSHFAL MAIN KETU 11 HO JAAYE. YAH BAAT BHI GAUR KARNE KE KABIL HAI

KI AGAR AISI CALLS AMOOMAN AANI SHURU HO JAAIYAIN AUR NUKSAAN YA KISI

BHI TARAH SE PARESHAANI KA DAUR HO,YA SHURU HO JAAYE TAB HEE IS TARAH

KI INCOMING CALLS KO MANDI NISHANI KE TAUR PAR LIYAA JAAYE. AISE MAIN

YAH JAROORI NAHI KI PHONE CALL SE KOYEE BURI KHABAR HEE MILEY. SIRF

AUR SIRF PHONE CALL KE DWARAA EK TARAH SE INSAAN KA DHYAAN BANT JAANAA

HEE MANDE KETU KI NISHAANI HOGAA. AISE INSAAN KO IS TARAH SE RUKAAWAT

AANE KE BAAD RUK KAR AUR MEETHAA KHAKER AUR PAANI PEEKAR HE GHAR SE

NIKALNAA MUNASIB HOGAA.

This is my observation in this changing scenerio of society.views of

others are also important regarding this type of " PEECHHEY SE AAWAAZ " .

with regards

Pt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Sirs,

>

> Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one calls

> from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times this

> has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an important

> work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone rings.

> Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like to

> hear your views.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

>

>

, " yog_ita2003 "

> <yog_ita2003@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

> > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > Left.(not from zero).

> > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> seconds,

> > and other we have to wait for months.

> > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

> same;

> > either you do in India or abroad.

> > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledge

> > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> changed

> > very much for example:

> > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keep

> > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

> there

> > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in way

> > back 1941.

> > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case

> of

> > putting the things in well.

> > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> >

> > Humbly requested by

> > Yogita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Girish Ji

Jaya Siyaa Raam

I am not a LK astrologer, nor I know it in any way; I am just a

member of this Group. But if you see this situation, which you have

written here (the telephone one), is similar to the one in which a

person calls while one is going out.

 

I remember my early days, in early 50s, that whenever my father used

to go out, I used to ask " Where are you going? " It took my mother

sometime to stop me asking this question, saying, " Jaatey hue Aadamee

ko Tokaa nahin karatey. " especially one should not ask " where are you

going? "

 

Although telephone situation is different, but still in many ways it

is similar. The first situation was unintentional (means not to harm

the person), and this situation is also the same. In both situations

the " asker " has no bad intention, but still he disturbs the " going

out " person whether by asking personally and physically or by

telephone. Although in both situations the going out person can avoid

replying.

 

There is only one difference between the two situations - that is

when one is physically present there, he asks this question after

seeing the person going out; while the telephone person doesn't know

that the going out person was going out.

 

Astrologically, in both situations the going out person is disturbed

(Tokaa Gayaa). While according to LK the telephone person doesn't

even know that the person was going out, so he is not disturbing the

person - because there was no intention - so there should not be any

effect.

 

I have read astrologers asking questions like - " Do you keep ivory in

your house? " or " Is there any electronic system in the north corner

of your south room? " or " Do you have any broad leaf plants in your

house? " etc etc. If these things are not kept with any intention, it

means that they should not affect our lives; so then why should the

astrologers should ask these questions? and why should they affect

one's life?

 

And if they are affecting our lives, it means that whether we are

doing those things intentionally or unintentionally - they affect our

lives. And if they are affecting our lives adversely, we shoud stop

doing them.

 

I may be wrong in my interpretation. Plese excuse me for this

intervention, but I will appreciate if the learned astrologers can

comment on my views.

 

With regards

Sushma

 

 

 

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Sirs,

>

> Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one calls

> from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times this

> has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an important

> work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone rings.

> Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like to

> hear your views.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

>

>

, " yog_ita2003 "

> <yog_ita2003@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > Left.(not from zero).

> > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> seconds,

> > and other we have to wait for months.

> > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

> same;

> > either you do in India or abroad.

> > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> changed

> > very much for example:

> > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

> there

> > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we

can

> > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in

way

> > back 1941.

> > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in

case

> of

> > putting the things in well.

> > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> >

> > Humbly requested by

> > Yogita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Goel Saheb

Jaya Siyaa Raam

 

In my opinion, many (not all) " wrong doing " concepts are sociery

related. Whatever values are followed in one society, another society

may not follow those rules.

 

But as I said " not all " wrong doing concepts are society related -

Many people do not know that they are doing wrong things, and they

suffer, especially because they do know know that what wreong they

are doing. Now somebody comes in their contact and tells them to

change their life style, and their life becomes trouble-free.

 

This example shows that whether you are doing any wrong thing

intentionally or unintentionally, it is wrong and it will surely your

life.

 

But I agree, that Sankalp plays a very big role in our lives, because

it is " our " Sankalp, our decision. It gives us discipline, strenth to

follow our values and faithfulness towards our society too.

 

With regards

Sushma

 

 

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Friends,

> If WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,then

> wrong house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

> place etc . will not have any adverse effect if done inadvertently.

>

> The use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

> effect the native.This is my humble opinion..

> Regards,

>  G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalkitabee ji

Jaya Siyaa Raam

 

You are right, I have also said the same thing in my last mail - " SIRF

> AUR SIRF PHONE CALL KE DWARAA EK TARAH SE INSAAN KA DHYAAN BANT

JAANAA

> HEE MANDE KETU KI NISHAANI HOGAA. AISE INSAAN KO IS TARAH SE

RUKAAWAT

> AANE KE BAAD RUK KAR AUR MEETHAA KHAKER AUR PAANI PEEKAR HE GHAR SE

> NIKALNAA MUNASIB HOGAA. "

 

Although I have not written the remedy but this happens in our houses

that if somebody " Tokataa hai " or one seesa black cat crossing the

road, or somene sneezes while going out, one avoids that Ghadee for

going out. He waits for 10 minutes, eats some sweets, drinks water

and then go. But you are right, whether intentionally or

unintentionally, the going out person gets disturbed with all these.

 

With regards

Sushma

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Res Raheja Ji

> If we understand the root-principles of any remedial process,we will

> achieve the solutions also.In these days due to the use of Mobile

> Phone ,anyone call u at any time ,even at the time of moving out

from

> home.In my opinion:-

> " AGAR KETU KHANA 11 KE TEVEY WALE INSAAN KE SAATH GHAR SE

NIKALTEY

> VAQT AUR KHAAS TAUR PAR JAB GHAR SE BAAHAR KI TARAF INSAAN POORI

> TAYYARI SE APNE ROZGAAR YA KHAAS KAAM KE LIYE NIKAL RAHAA HO TO,

> ACHAANAK MOBILE CALL AANAA MANDEY KETU KI NISHAANI KE TAUR PAR HEE

> LIYAA JAANAA CHAHIYE.LEKIN SIRF KETU 11 WALE INSAAN KO YA JISKAA

> VARSHFAL MAIN KETU 11 HO JAAYE. YAH BAAT BHI GAUR KARNE KE KABIL HAI

> KI AGAR AISI CALLS AMOOMAN AANI SHURU HO JAAIYAIN AUR NUKSAAN YA

KISI

> BHI TARAH SE PARESHAANI KA DAUR HO,YA SHURU HO JAAYE TAB HEE IS

TARAH

> KI INCOMING CALLS KO MANDI NISHANI KE TAUR PAR LIYAA JAAYE. AISE

MAIN

> YAH JAROORI NAHI KI PHONE CALL SE KOYEE BURI KHABAR HEE MILEY. SIRF

> AUR SIRF PHONE CALL KE DWARAA EK TARAH SE INSAAN KA DHYAAN BANT

JAANAA

> HEE MANDE KETU KI NISHAANI HOGAA. AISE INSAAN KO IS TARAH SE

RUKAAWAT

> AANE KE BAAD RUK KAR AUR MEETHAA KHAKER AUR PAANI PEEKAR HE GHAR SE

> NIKALNAA MUNASIB HOGAA.

> This is my observation in this changing scenerio of

society.views of

> others are also important regarding this type of " PEECHHEY SE

AAWAAZ " .

> with regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one calls

> > from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times

this

> > has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an

important

> > work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone

rings.

> > Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like to

> > hear your views.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

 

> > , " yog_ita2003 "

> > <yog_ita2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep

the

> > > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > > Left.(not from zero).

> > > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> > seconds,

> > > and other we have to wait for months.

> > > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

> > same;

> > > either you do in India or abroad.

> > > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> > changed

> > > very much for example:

> > > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

> > there

> > > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we

can

> > > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> > > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there

in way

> > > back 1941.

> > > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in

case

> > of

> > > putting the things in well.

> > > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> > >

> > > Humbly requested by

> > > Yogita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Lalkitabee ji,

 

Thank you sir for such a detailed excellent explanation.

 

With great respect,

 

Girish Raheja

 

 

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Res Raheja Ji

> If we understand the root-principles of any remedial process,we

will

> achieve the solutions also.In these days due to the use of Mobile

> Phone ,anyone call u at any time ,even at the time of moving out

from

> home.In my opinion:-

> " AGAR KETU KHANA 11 KE TEVEY WALE INSAAN KE SAATH GHAR SE

NIKALTEY

> VAQT AUR KHAAS TAUR PAR JAB GHAR SE BAAHAR KI TARAF INSAAN POORI

> TAYYARI SE APNE ROZGAAR YA KHAAS KAAM KE LIYE NIKAL RAHAA HO TO,

> ACHAANAK MOBILE CALL AANAA MANDEY KETU KI NISHAANI KE TAUR PAR

HEE

> LIYAA JAANAA CHAHIYE.LEKIN SIRF KETU 11 WALE INSAAN KO YA JISKAA

> VARSHFAL MAIN KETU 11 HO JAAYE. YAH BAAT BHI GAUR KARNE KE KABIL

HAI

> KI AGAR AISI CALLS AMOOMAN AANI SHURU HO JAAIYAIN AUR NUKSAAN YA

KISI

> BHI TARAH SE PARESHAANI KA DAUR HO,YA SHURU HO JAAYE TAB HEE IS

TARAH

> KI INCOMING CALLS KO MANDI NISHANI KE TAUR PAR LIYAA JAAYE. AISE

MAIN

> YAH JAROORI NAHI KI PHONE CALL SE KOYEE BURI KHABAR HEE MILEY. SIRF

> AUR SIRF PHONE CALL KE DWARAA EK TARAH SE INSAAN KA DHYAAN BANT

JAANAA

> HEE MANDE KETU KI NISHAANI HOGAA. AISE INSAAN KO IS TARAH SE

RUKAAWAT

> AANE KE BAAD RUK KAR AUR MEETHAA KHAKER AUR PAANI PEEKAR HE GHAR SE

> NIKALNAA MUNASIB HOGAA.

> This is my observation in this changing scenerio of

society.views of

> others are also important regarding this type of " PEECHHEY SE

AAWAAZ " .

> with regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one

calls

> > from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times

this

> > has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an

important

> > work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone

rings.

> > Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like

to

> > hear your views.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " yog_ita2003 "

> > <yog_ita2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep

the

> > > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > > Left.(not from zero).

> > > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> > seconds,

> > > and other we have to wait for months.

> > > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will

be

> > same;

> > > either you do in India or abroad.

> > > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> > changed

> > > very much for example:

> > > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in

1941

> > there

> > > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now

we can

> > > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in

house.

> > > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there

in way

> > > back 1941.

> > > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in

case

> > of

> > > putting the things in well.

> > > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> > >

> > > Humbly requested by

> > > Yogita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sushma ji,

 

You may not be an LK expert but you have understood the spirit of

the book alright when you say :

 

> And if they are affecting our lives, it means that whether we are

> doing those things intentionally or unintentionally - they affect

our

> lives. And if they are affecting our lives adversely, we shoud

stop

> doing them.

 

You are right. Like if some one has his mercury malefic then broad

leaf green plants, green bottles, sea shells etc in the house will

strengthen a planet which is already malefic. In that case such

things should be removed. But if the mercury is not malefic then

these items will be harmless.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagvatjee "

<bhagvatjee wrote:

>

> Dear Girish Ji

> Jaya Siyaa Raam

> I am not a LK astrologer, nor I know it in any way; I am just a

> member of this Group. But if you see this situation, which you

have

> written here (the telephone one), is similar to the one in which a

> person calls while one is going out.

>

> I remember my early days, in early 50s, that whenever my father

used

> to go out, I used to ask " Where are you going? " It took my mother

> sometime to stop me asking this question, saying, " Jaatey hue

Aadamee

> ko Tokaa nahin karatey. " especially one should not ask " where are

you

> going? "

>

> Although telephone situation is different, but still in many ways

it

> is similar. The first situation was unintentional (means not to

harm

> the person), and this situation is also the same. In both

situations

> the " asker " has no bad intention, but still he disturbs the " going

> out " person whether by asking personally and physically or by

> telephone. Although in both situations the going out person can

avoid

> replying.

>

> There is only one difference between the two situations - that is

> when one is physically present there, he asks this question after

> seeing the person going out; while the telephone person doesn't

know

> that the going out person was going out.

>

> Astrologically, in both situations the going out person is

disturbed

> (Tokaa Gayaa). While according to LK the telephone person doesn't

> even know that the person was going out, so he is not disturbing

the

> person - because there was no intention - so there should not be

any

> effect.

>

> I have read astrologers asking questions like - " Do you keep ivory

in

> your house? " or " Is there any electronic system in the north

corner

> of your south room? " or " Do you have any broad leaf plants in

your

> house? " etc etc. If these things are not kept with any intention,

it

> means that they should not affect our lives; so then why should

the

> astrologers should ask these questions? and why should they affect

> one's life?

>

> And if they are affecting our lives, it means that whether we are

> doing those things intentionally or unintentionally - they affect

our

> lives. And if they are affecting our lives adversely, we shoud

stop

> doing them.

>

> I may be wrong in my interpretation. Plese excuse me for this

> intervention, but I will appreciate if the learned astrologers can

> comment on my views.

>

> With regards

> Sushma

>

>

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Adding on to this topic,the Lal Kitab says that if some one

calls

> > from behind it is considered as inauspicious. In present times

this

> > has taken a new form. If you are leaving the house for an

important

> > work and had hardly reached the door and just then the phone

rings.

> > Can this also be taken as being called from behind? Would like

to

> > hear your views.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " yog_ita2003 "

> > <yog_ita2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep

the

> > > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

> next

> > > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > > Left.(not from zero).

> > > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

> > seconds,

> > > and other we have to wait for months.

> > > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will

be

> > same;

> > > either you do in India or abroad.

> > > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

> knowledge

> > > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

> > changed

> > > very much for example:

> > > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

> keep

> > > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in

1941

> > there

> > > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now

we

> can

> > > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in

house.

> > > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there

in

> way

> > > back 1941.

> > > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in

> case

> > of

> > > putting the things in well.

> > > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> > >

> > > Humbly requested by

> > > Yogita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sushma ji,

 

The word Sankalp conjures up the images of rituals conducted by a

Pundit at the time of pooja. But in the context of upaya the word

sankalp just relates to ' vichaar' that comes to mind, a vichaar to

do some thing for a specific purpose; no rituals involved. Once the

vichaar comes to the mind it becomes a deliberate act. Therefore we

assume that an upaya is a deliberate act.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagvatjee "

<bhagvatjee wrote:

>

> Dear Goel Saheb

> Jaya Siyaa Raam

>

> In my opinion, many (not all) " wrong doing " concepts are sociery

> related. Whatever values are followed in one society, another

society

> may not follow those rules.

>

> But as I said " not all " wrong doing concepts are society related -

> Many people do not know that they are doing wrong things, and they

> suffer, especially because they do know know that what wreong they

> are doing. Now somebody comes in their contact and tells them to

> change their life style, and their life becomes trouble-free.

>

> This example shows that whether you are doing any wrong thing

> intentionally or unintentionally, it is wrong and it will surely

your

> life.

>

> But I agree, that Sankalp plays a very big role in our lives,

because

> it is " our " Sankalp, our decision. It gives us discipline, strenth

to

> follow our values and faithfulness towards our society too.

>

> With regards

> Sushma

>

>

> , Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > If WE ACCEPT the logic given by Mr. Varun ,then

> > wrong house entry door , placement of water tank on wrong

> > place etc . will not have any adverse effect if done

inadvertently.

> >

> > The use of items either done with sancalpa or as a habit do

> > effect the native.This is my humble opinion..

> > Regards,

> >  G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

>

[Guest guest]

Yogita ji;

It is a case of following letter and spirit. The spirit should get preferrance over letter. Evolution is bound to bring in changes and the spirt is a guiding force. what we are dealing with is a multidimensional study and it is difficult to create water tight compartments. e.g When lalkitab was published, women did not have any significant role, that;s why in the chapter dealing with progeny it is written that AULAD should specifically mean a girl child.

we have seen women rulers like Razia Sultan,Laxmi Bai etc. in India, then we had mrs. Indira Gandhi, now we have Mrs. Pratibha patil as president , mayawati, sonia Gandhi etc. but it was not the trend in the enviornment in which pt ji lived. he lived in a male dominant society where even birth of a girl child was an occassion to mourn.

Village life remained near about same sinse centuries but times have changed at a great pace in the last 20 years. the villages in punjab are also not what they were at pt ji, time. birds have disappeared, not all the households have cows,horses are a thing of past.

khandani mazdoor as reffered to in lalkitab remedies are rare as thay have switched to jobs and scaled the ladder.

in cities also pt ji couldn't imagine that majority of population will have to live in houses where neither the ground or the roof are theirs.

nishani of rahu has been given that dirty water is seen flowing through a nali under the front gate but now with underground sewerage this is not the case. the disappearnace of naali doesn't anyway make rahu benefic. it could be very much possibly be emitting its manifestation from some other object which is not mentioned or maybe didn't exist when lalkitab was written.

lalkitab stressed that the book had a dull red cover but know we have soft copies, no binding, no colour.

lalkitab mentions about pens and inks, the fountain pens today are a collectors item or a hobby. LK doesn't say anything about ball points. with the advent of IT pens could be discarded in near future.

the marriage age is not around the period of shukkr as mentioned in the book. majority of couples tie knot near or past 30, the age which was a tabboo 50 years back.

going way from family or moving abroad was considered inauspicious then but now it is an opportunity many desire.

we have to assign new karaks to planats', keep in mind the spirt and innovate. lalkitab is a thesis, an attempt to live in accordance with the universal rules synchronising them with indiviual's life style in any particular society he lives in. hence not a simple book of orthodox rules.

kulbir

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, yog_ita2003 <yog_ita2003 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Members,Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreigncountries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep theresults secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the next

generation will do the research from where the first generationLeft.(not from zero).Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take seconds,and other we have to wait for months. In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be same;

either you do in India or abroad.Many learned readers might have done experiments with the knowledgethey gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab. Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is changed

very much for example:Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should keepthe things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941 thereare no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

see water tank on the roof in almost every house.What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in wayback 1941. Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in case of

putting the things in well.Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, andexperiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group. Humbly requested byYogita

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

Welcome back !

 

It is a pleasure to hear from you again.

 

Regards,

 

Varun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kulbir bance "

<kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Yogita ji;

>

> It is a case of following letter and spirit. The spirit should get

> preferrance over letter. Evolution is bound to bring in changes and

the

> spirt is a guiding force. what we are dealing with is a

multidimensional

> study and it is difficult to create water tight compartments. e.g

When

> lalkitab was published, women did not have any significant role,

that;s why

> in the chapter dealing with progeny it is written that AULAD should

> specifically mean a girl child.

> we have seen women rulers like Razia Sultan,Laxmi Bai etc. in

India, then we

> had mrs. Indira Gandhi, now we have Mrs. Pratibha patil as

president ,

> mayawati, sonia Gandhi etc. but it was not the trend in the

enviornment in

> which pt ji lived. he lived in a male dominant society where even

birth of a

> girl child was an occassion to mourn.

> Village life remained near about same sinse centuries but times

have changed

> at a great pace in the last 20 years. the villages in punjab are

also not

> what they were at pt ji, time. birds have disappeared, not all the

> households have cows,horses are a thing of past.

> khandani mazdoor as reffered to in lalkitab remedies are rare as

thay have

> switched to jobs and scaled the ladder.

> in cities also pt ji couldn't imagine that majority of population

will have

> to live in houses where neither the ground or the roof are theirs.

> nishani of rahu has been given that dirty water is seen flowing

through a

> nali under the front gate but now with underground sewerage this

is not the

> case. the disappearnace of naali doesn't anyway make rahu benefic.

it could

> be very much possibly be emitting its manifestation from some other

object

> which is not mentioned or maybe didn't exist when lalkitab was

written.

> lalkitab stressed that the book had a dull red cover but know we

have soft

> copies, no binding, no colour.

> lalkitab mentions about pens and inks, the fountain pens today are a

> collectors item or a hobby. LK doesn't say anything about ball

points. with

> the advent of IT pens could be discarded in near future.

> the marriage age is not around the period of shukkr as mentioned in

the

> book. majority of couples tie knot near or past 30, the age which

was a

> tabboo 50 years back.

> going way from family or moving abroad was considered inauspicious

then but

> now it is an opportunity many desire.

> we have to assign new karaks to planats', keep in mind the spirt and

> innovate. lalkitab is a thesis, an attempt to live in accordance

with the

> universal rules synchronising them with indiviual's life style in

any

> particular society he lives in. hence not a simple book of orthodox

rules.

>

> kulbir

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, yog_ita2003 <yog_ita2003wrote:

>

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > Many old sciences have lost to secrecy, and flourish in foreign

> > countries. Our mind set (Indian mind) do experiments and keep the

> > results secret. But in west they tabulated the results and the

next

> > generation will do the research from where the first generation

> > Left.(not from zero).

> > Every medicine have a reaction time, some medicine will take

seconds,

> > and other we have to wait for months.

> > In scientific experiments, the result of one experiment will be

same;

> > either you do in India or abroad.

> > Many learned readers might have done experiments with the

knowledge

> > they gained by repeated study of Lal-kitab.

> > Lalkitab was written in 1941 or back. And current scenario is

changed

> > very much for example:

> > Some remedy like to place the planet in 12th house, one should

keep

> > the things of the planet on the roof of house. Way back in 1941

there

> > are no water tanks on the top of roof in normal houses. Now we can

> > see water tank on the roof in almost every house.

> > What is the impact of water tank on the persons living in house.

> > Electricity have changes many things, no television was there in

way

> > back 1941.

> > Likely in urban area we can't find any well, so what to do in

case of

> > putting the things in well.

> > Lal kitab Principles should be followed in modern context, and

> > experiment results will be shared in Lal kitab group.

> >

> > Humbly requested by

> > Yogita

> >

> >

> >

>