Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Lalkitabee ji, While we are already discussing mercury, may I request you to enrich our understanding through your insight on the relationship between mercury and jupiter in the light of : insaan bandha khud lekh se apane, Lekh vidhata qalam se ho Qalam chale khud karma par apne, jhagara aqla na kismet ho Respectfully, KP Miglani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Respectted miglani ji of course . but give me some time due to my shedule. I will try my best to explain it as per my little understanding of lalkitab. with respect pt.lalkitabee v.shukla , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani wrote: > > > Dear Lalkitabee ji, > > While we are already discussing mercury, may I request you to enrich our > understanding through your insight on the relationship between mercury > and jupiter in the light of : > > insaan bandha khud lekh se apane, > > Lekh vidhata qalam se ho > > Qalam chale khud karma par apne, > > jhagara aqla na kismet ho > > Respectfully, > > > > KP Miglani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Sir, Vedic Jyotish ke anusar budh aur brahaspati ke sambandh mein ek vichitra bat kahi hai. Kundali mein yadi budh ke mukabile brahaspati shadbal mein bali ho to aise jatak ko chahiye ki vah apne mahatwapoorn karya Ishwar ki marjee ke anusar karne ki cheshta kare., jyada tark-vitark na kare. Kul milakar kahne ka tatparya yeh hai ki Ishwar par jyada bharosa kare na ki apni buddhi par. Jiska brahaspati shadbal mein balwan ho aisa insaan agar apne bhagya ya Ishwar par bharosa karega to jeevan mein safal rahega. Aur yadi kundali mein budh shadbal ke anusar brahaspati se jyada balwan ho to aise vyakti ko chihiye ki vah pratyek karya apni buddhi ke anusar khub soch vichar kar kare tatha bhagya ya Ishwar ki marjee par nirbhar na rahe. Apni buddhi ke anusar soch vichar kar kiya gaya kam sadaiv safal hoga . sambhavtah yah budh aur brahaspati ke takrav se bachne ka ek tarika hai. Aadar sahit, Dharmaveer , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Respectted miglani ji > > of course . but give me some time due to my shedule. I will try my best to explain it as per my little understanding of lalkitab. > > with respect > > pt.lalkitabee > > v.shukla > > > > > > , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalkitabee ji, > > > > While we are already discussing mercury, may I request you to enrich our > > understanding through your insight on the relationship between mercury > > and jupiter in the light of : > > > > insaan bandha khud lekh se apane, > > > > Lekh vidhata qalam se ho > > > > Qalam chale khud karma par apne, > > > > jhagara aqla na kismet ho > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Respected Dahiya ji, In the Lal Kitab too, something similar has been said in the context of Jupiter : kaam chhore jab Ram bharose; shatru vairi sar katataa ho [ 1952 urdu ed; page 240 ] Regards, Varun Trivedi , "dharmaveer.dahiya" <dharmaveer.dahiya wrote:>> Sir,> > > Vedic Jyotish ke anusar budh aur brahaspati ke sambandh mein ek > vichitra bat kahi hai. > > Kundali mein yadi budh ke mukabile brahaspati shadbal mein bali ho > to aise jatak ko chahiye ki vah apne mahatwapoorn karya Ishwar ki > marjee ke anusar karne ki cheshta kare., jyada tark-vitark na kare. > Kul milakar kahne ka tatparya yeh hai ki Ishwar par jyada bharosa > kare na ki apni buddhi par. Jiska brahaspati shadbal mein balwan ho > aisa insaan agar apne bhagya ya Ishwar par bharosa karega to jeevan > mein safal rahega.> > Aur yadi kundali mein budh shadbal ke anusar brahaspati se jyada > balwan ho to aise vyakti ko chihiye ki vah pratyek karya apni buddhi > ke anusar khub soch vichar kar kare tatha bhagya ya Ishwar ki marjee > par nirbhar na rahe. Apni buddhi ke anusar soch vichar kar kiya gaya > kam sadaiv safal hoga .> > sambhavtah yah budh aur brahaspati ke takrav se bachne ka ek tarika > hai.> > Aadar sahit,> > Dharmaveer> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lalkitabee" > lalkitabee@ wrote:> >> > Respectted miglani ji> > > > of course . but give me some time due to my shedule. I will try my > best to explain it as per my little understanding of lalkitab.> > > > with respect> > > > pt.lalkitabee> > > > v.shukla> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpmiglani" > <kpmiglani@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Lalkitabee ji,> > >> > > While we are already discussing mercury, may I request you to > enrich our> > > understanding through your insight on the relationship between > mercury> > > and jupiter in the light of :> > >> > > insaan bandha khud lekh se apane,> > >> > > Lekh vidhata qalam se ho> > >> > > Qalam chale khud karma par apne,> > >> > > jhagara aqla na kismet ho> > >> > > Respectfully,> > >> > >> > >> > > KP Miglani> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Respected Dharamveerji, I would like to add more to it. Upachaya Bhava (3,6,10,11 house) means house of growth. These houses are also called the houses of FREEWILL (where destiny has no or less control). Here 3 & 6 is lorded by Mercury and 10 & 11 is lorded by Saturn (as per Kalpurush & LK). Person's own intelligence (mercury: aquired knowledge or skills) or sheer Hardwork (saturn) will be applied for growth. So whenever these planets or houses are stronger, subject will follow his own decision rather than destiny and will believe in own Karma only. Even they will not take ritual remedial measures easily. But any practical advice will sooth them. We see that Mithun in 3rd house of Guru Diksha opposite to Dhanu the mooltrikone 9H, Here 'active' Guru (jupiter in temple) is giving Diksha (3H) to 'monkey' mercury (mercury in airy sign is best in mimickery ). Kanya, a mooltrikone, in 6th (practical knowledge of mercury, prithvi tattwa) is opposite to Meena ( Spiritual,calm, meditative aspect of Jupiter). Here 'active' mercury is trying to understand seriously his calm Guru without any arguments. These concept are also beautifully explained in LK in its practical way. So whenever Jupiter is strong, person will follow the wisdom that every aspect of life is not in his hands, but there is some 'Supreme " intervention also. Whenever Mercury is strong, person will try to compete in this world with his own acquired skills and knowledge, and believe in his own power of Hands. Now Makar is 2nd from Dhanu and 8th from Mithun. Here Guru is saying to do hard as it is a required food to his Diksha, whereas mithun mercury does want to do hard work just want a spoon feeding, but Kumbh is 9th from mithun and 3rd from dhanu and 12th from meena, referring that here mithun mercury knows that his fortune will rise with hard work whereas excessive hard work (teaching or diksha) depletes the energy of Dhanu of jupiter and goes for meditation. Similarly we can analyse from Kanya also. It is just a small understanding of mine. Thanks & regard, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Respected Vijay ji, It is really a very learned analysis of relationship between Jupiter and Mercury. Even I had some thing to learn from your exposition. This exactly is the purpose of this group to find out common grounds between the Vedic astrology concepts and the Lal Kitab. We had always believed that the Lal Kitab is a sub-set of our traditional astrology. Vijay ji, we are grateful for your contribution. Regards, Varun Trivedi , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Dharamveerji, > > I would like to add more to it. > > Upachaya Bhava (3,6,10,11 house) means house of growth. These houses are > also called the houses of FREEWILL (where destiny has no or less control). > Here 3 & 6 is lorded by Mercury and 10 & 11 is lorded by Saturn (as per > Kalpurush & LK). > Person's own intelligence (mercury: aquired knowledge or skills) or > sheer Hardwork (saturn) will be applied for growth. > > So whenever these planets or houses are stronger, subject will follow > his own decision rather than destiny and will believe in own Karma only. > Even they will not take ritual remedial measures easily. But any > practical advice will sooth them. > > We see that Mithun in 3rd house of Guru Diksha opposite to Dhanu the > mooltrikone 9H, Here 'active' Guru (jupiter in temple) is giving Diksha > (3H) to 'monkey' mercury (mercury in airy sign is best in mimickery ). > > Kanya, a mooltrikone, in 6th (practical knowledge of mercury, prithvi > tattwa) is opposite to Meena ( Spiritual,calm, meditative aspect of > Jupiter). Here 'active' mercury is trying to understand seriously his > calm Guru without any arguments. > > These concept are also beautifully explained in LK in its practical way. > > So whenever Jupiter is strong, person will follow the wisdom that every > aspect of life is not in his hands, but there is some 'Supreme " > intervention also. > Whenever Mercury is strong, person will try to compete in this world > with his own acquired skills and knowledge, and believe in his own > power of Hands. > > Now Makar is 2nd from Dhanu and 8th from Mithun. Here Guru is saying to > do hard as it is a required food to his Diksha, whereas mithun mercury > does want to do hard work just want a spoon feeding, but Kumbh is 9th > from mithun and 3rd from dhanu and 12th from meena, referring that here > mithun mercury knows that his fortune will rise with hard work whereas > excessive hard work (teaching or diksha) depletes the energy of Dhanu of > jupiter and goes for meditation. > > Similarly we can analyse from Kanya also. > > It is just a small understanding of mine. > > Thanks & regard, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Adarneeya Goel ji, Varun ji Bahut dhanyavad. budh aur guru ke apsi sambandh ke bare mein bahut kuchh naya seekhne ko mila. Abhar sahit, Dharmaveer , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Vijay ji, > > It is really a very learned analysis of relationship between Jupiter > and Mercury. Even I had some thing to learn from your exposition. > This exactly is the purpose of this group to find out common grounds > between the Vedic astrology concepts and the Lal Kitab. We had > always believed that the Lal Kitab is a sub-set of our traditional > astrology. > > Vijay ji, we are grateful for your contribution. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Dharamveerji, > > > > I would like to add more to it. > > > > Upachaya Bhava (3,6,10,11 house) means house of growth. These > houses are > > also called the houses of FREEWILL (where destiny has no or less > control). > > Here 3 & 6 is lorded by Mercury and 10 & 11 is lorded by Saturn > (as per > > Kalpurush & LK). > > Person's own intelligence (mercury: aquired knowledge or skills) > or > > sheer Hardwork (saturn) will be applied for growth. > > > > So whenever these planets or houses are stronger, subject will > follow > > his own decision rather than destiny and will believe in own Karma > only. > > Even they will not take ritual remedial measures easily. But any > > practical advice will sooth them. > > > > We see that Mithun in 3rd house of Guru Diksha opposite to Dhanu > the > > mooltrikone 9H, Here 'active' Guru (jupiter in temple) is giving > Diksha > > (3H) to 'monkey' mercury (mercury in airy sign is best in > mimickery ). > > > > Kanya, a mooltrikone, in 6th (practical knowledge of mercury, > prithvi > > tattwa) is opposite to Meena ( Spiritual,calm, meditative aspect > of > > Jupiter). Here 'active' mercury is trying to understand seriously > his > > calm Guru without any arguments. > > > > These concept are also beautifully explained in LK in its > practical way. > > > > So whenever Jupiter is strong, person will follow the wisdom that > every > > aspect of life is not in his hands, but there is some 'Supreme " > > intervention also. > > Whenever Mercury is strong, person will try to compete in this > world > > with his own acquired skills and knowledge, and believe in his > own > > power of Hands. > > > > Now Makar is 2nd from Dhanu and 8th from Mithun. Here Guru is > saying to > > do hard as it is a required food to his Diksha, whereas mithun > mercury > > does want to do hard work just want a spoon feeding, but Kumbh is > 9th > > from mithun and 3rd from dhanu and 12th from meena, referring that > here > > mithun mercury knows that his fortune will rise with hard work > whereas > > excessive hard work (teaching or diksha) depletes the energy of > Dhanu of > > jupiter and goes for meditation. > > > > Similarly we can analyse from Kanya also. > > > > It is just a small understanding of mine. > > > > Thanks & regard, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Respected Varunji, Thanks for the appreciation. The Seed of exploring LK sown by yourself in this group with the Blessings of Sir shri Bhushan Priya ji, is now grown up into a small plant. Whenever i will have the opportunity to put some 'Khad'(organic matter) for the growth i will surely put into it. I will love to see this group raise up into a large tree with lot of fruits in coming time. Lal-kitab is indeed is the very refine branch of traditional astrology. I have also observed many similarity with Nadi literature. As we will move topic wise further, many secrets will get unfolded. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Vijay ji, > > It is really a very learned analysis of relationship between Jupiter > and Mercury. Even I had some thing to learn from your exposition. > This exactly is the purpose of this group to find out common grounds > between the Vedic astrology concepts and the Lal Kitab. We had > always believed that the Lal Kitab is a sub-set of our traditional > astrology. > > Vijay ji, we are grateful for your contribution. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Dharamveerji, > > > > I would like to add more to it. > > > > Upachaya Bhava (3,6,10,11 house) means house of growth. These > houses are > > also called the houses of FREEWILL (where destiny has no or less > control). > > Here 3 & 6 is lorded by Mercury and 10 & 11 is lorded by Saturn > (as per > > Kalpurush & LK). > > Person's own intelligence (mercury: aquired knowledge or skills) > or > > sheer Hardwork (saturn) will be applied for growth. > > > > So whenever these planets or houses are stronger, subject will > follow > > his own decision rather than destiny and will believe in own Karma > only. > > Even they will not take ritual remedial measures easily. But any > > practical advice will sooth them. > > > > We see that Mithun in 3rd house of Guru Diksha opposite to Dhanu > the > > mooltrikone 9H, Here 'active' Guru (jupiter in temple) is giving > Diksha > > (3H) to 'monkey' mercury (mercury in airy sign is best in > mimickery ). > > > > Kanya, a mooltrikone, in 6th (practical knowledge of mercury, > prithvi > > tattwa) is opposite to Meena ( Spiritual,calm, meditative aspect > of > > Jupiter). Here 'active' mercury is trying to understand seriously > his > > calm Guru without any arguments. > > > > These concept are also beautifully explained in LK in its > practical way. > > > > So whenever Jupiter is strong, person will follow the wisdom that > every > > aspect of life is not in his hands, but there is some 'Supreme " > > intervention also. > > Whenever Mercury is strong, person will try to compete in this > world > > with his own acquired skills and knowledge, and believe in his > own > > power of Hands. > > > > Now Makar is 2nd from Dhanu and 8th from Mithun. Here Guru is > saying to > > do hard as it is a required food to his Diksha, whereas mithun > mercury > > does want to do hard work just want a spoon feeding, but Kumbh is > 9th > > from mithun and 3rd from dhanu and 12th from meena, referring that > here > > mithun mercury knows that his fortune will rise with hard work > whereas > > excessive hard work (teaching or diksha) depletes the energy of > Dhanu of > > jupiter and goes for meditation. > > > > Similarly we can analyse from Kanya also. > > > > It is just a small understanding of mine. > > > > Thanks & regard, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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