LK discussion group pls discuss KALSARP YOG

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Respected Kalsi Ji

Again wrong interpretation-- Vishkanya is the woman ,who she comes in

contact with, he will suffer phisically or may die.Not neccesserily

through marriage.

MATLAB YAH HAI KI VAH AURAT JISKE SANSARG MAIN AANE WALE PURUSH

KO SHAARIRIK APGHAAT HO JAAYE YA HO SAKTAA HAI KI USKI MAUT BHI HO

JAAYE, VISHKANYA KEHLAATI HAI.SHAADI KI SHART JAROORI NAHI HAI. AUR

PUJYA PANDIT JI KI LINE " KHASAM KHANI VAH AURAT HO " KA BHI SEEDHA

SEEDHA YAHI MATLAB HO SAKTAA HAI.

VKY is not other context, it is also in lalkitab with the word

" KHASAM-KHANI AURAT "

Regarding ur wolf & lamb - Only u can like to call the contents of

lalkitab as lamb. In my opinion these r LIONS & a true lalkitab

scholar is a daring rider of lion.Thanx for ur kind suggestions.

With Regards

Pt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Respected Trivedi Ji,

>

> Vishkanyas do not have husbands. I remember the story of " The Wolf

and the

> Lamb " .

>

> In my opinion, here Lamb is contents of Lalkitab. Come what may ,

all of KSY

> & VKY preachers started one or other pretext to force the war to justify

> these yogas with LK contents.

>

> I feel let the contents of Lalkitab be treated in right way

>

> Regards

>

>

> On 8/21/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kalsi ji,

> >

> > Lal Kitab has mentioned the *Vish Kanya yog* on page 1066 of 1952

urdu ed

> > :

> >

> > Shatru shukra budh har do dekhen, milti baithak khwah alheda ho

> > Surya ketu aa budh pe chamke, khasam khani voh aurat ho

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Shivdev Kalsi "

> > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shukla Ji,

> > >

> > > In this case Elephant does not exist neither in Africa nor in

Asia. I

> > mean

> > > there is no mention of this yoga in Hora Prashara the main

collection of

> > > astrological systems. There is no mention of this yoga in

Ashtakvarga,

> > nor

> > > there is any deduction of Bindus/rekhas on this position of planets.

> > >

> > > In Jaimini I donot find any mention there in also in Horary

there is no

> > > mention of it.

> > >

> > > There is no harm to do research in any field. But it is not a right

> > practice

> > > to force unethical practices on innocent people in the name of holy

> > > shashtras.

> > >

> > > Almost all the practising astrologers create fear psychosis in

the name

> > of

> > > KalaSarpa Yoga. this is not a good practice to grab money from poor

> > innocent

> > > people.

> > >

> > > Regarding Vishkanya and other yogas, One shall keep himself to

the system

> > he

> > > is studying. these yogas should be discussed where the shastras

> > containing

> > > these yogas are discussed and should not be intermingled with

others.

> > >

> > > Every system has his own rules and regulations. If I want to justify

> > > allopathy with ayurvedic or homoeopathy formulation then it is

not called

> > a

> > > good pratice. all these system have there own course of remedies and

> > > diagonose.

> > >

> > > If ih this group Lalkitab is discussed then all should discuss

lalkitab.

> > Not

> > > to insert other ideologies.

> > >

> > > Let us keep ourselves away from this human nature to justify our

wrong

> > > doings in the name of research or something else.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be

decided in a

> > > > horoscope. If the same situation may be described in lalkitab

without

> > > > any name with some other definations,

> > > > what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no other

> > > > word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in

Africa &

> > > > Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no contradiction

> > > > about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way reading

about

> > > > Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the

text, not

> > > > only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive

into the

> > > > sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-into "

> > > > fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general

peoples " is a

> > > > defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this category of

> > > > fear-generator group. But it

> > > >

> > > > doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of these

yogas.

> > > > Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after some

days

> > > > other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After all how a

> > > > scholar can stop his readings or researches ?

> > > > Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of

> > > > electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be

helpful

> > > > from safety-point of view from electricity.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the

great Lal

> > > > > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the

text, not

> > > > > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the

great Lal

> > > > > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Varun Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the

section on

> > > > > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun

Sanhita. I do

> > > > > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I

do not

> > know

> > > > > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about

the kalsarp

> > > > > > yog in that context.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your point is well taken.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and

half the

> > > > > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a

different look.

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > > > > > treating

> > > > > > > this placement as a curse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that

whatever ills,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such

time that

> > > > > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this

placement, I

> > > > > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

research.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

> > evaluated.

> > > > > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped.

You never

> > > > > > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later

> > which

> > > > > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this

placement did not

> > > > > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life

there are

> > > > > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old

texts and

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on

the basis

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not

accept it to

> > be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt

that a Yog

> > > > > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > > > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

deserves.

> > > > > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area

research, it

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one

side of

> > Rahu-

> > > > > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays

empty, it

> > > > > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

abnormality

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this

abnormality, or how

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a

matter

> > of

> > > > > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely

needs our

> > > > > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the

carpet.

> > > > > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal

Sarp Yog

> > has

> > > > > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate

gullible

> > > > > > > seekers

> > > > > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > > > > > imperative

> > > > > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it

explains the

> > > > > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not

exist is

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > > > > > hemmed

> > > > > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny.

Give it

> > > > > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned

response

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that

has never

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > my intention.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree

with you

> > that

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings

> > hidden

> > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful

that our

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something

malefic like

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga

thing should

> > be

> > > > > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Finn

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are

> > usually

> > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based

upon the

> > > > > > > > predective &

> > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading

into the

> > > > > > > > text ,to

> > > > > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > > > > > lalkitab.I

> > > > > > > > tried

> > > > > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog

directly or

> > > > > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i

want to

> > > > > > say --

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the word

> > > > > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

astrologers,

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > fact this

> > > > > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG,

sunafaa

> > > > > > > YOG,

> > > > > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > > > > > HORROR,

> > > > > > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > > > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > > > > > predective or

> > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how

are rahu

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole

lalkitab is

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > > > > > system

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as

shadow planets

> > > > > > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > > > > > view ,what

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt.

roop Chand

> > > > > > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on

religious

> > > > > > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a

big snake

> > > > > > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's

" Brihat

> > > > > > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for

eclipse and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since

comets

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > meteors

> > > > > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also

describes

> > Rahu

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

legitimate " Kala

> > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I

think we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be honest

> > > > > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think

we should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > > > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At

least this

> > > > > > > > happens to

> > > > > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that

Nowhere

> > any

> > > > > > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab.

So we can

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble

words I want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > share

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was

written by

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > past in

> > > > > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to

under stand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > topic-

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake &

saturn is

> > > > > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very

begining of

> > > > > > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE

PAIR SE.

> > > > > > TO

> > > > > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be

treated

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > head &

> > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed

as PANI KA

> > > > > > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP,

Shani khana

> > > > > > no.

> > > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn

is called

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle

of time

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any

horoscope will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found

some

> > > > > > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE

ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > > > > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI

BANTAA HO

> > > > > > (here

> > > > > > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

MUKHDAA

> > > > > > > (Head)

> > > > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI

DUM KETU

> > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA

HONE

> > WALE

> > > > > > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM

HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by

RAHU KETU

> > in

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN

AMOOMAN

> > > > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN

(RIGHT)

> > > > > > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE

MANDAA

> > > > > > ASAR

> > > > > > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590

> > showing

> > > > > > > BAD

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about

bad saturn

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH

KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR

EK SAANP

> > > > > > KEE

> > > > > > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR

SE AAGE

> > > > > > > JAHAAN

> > > > > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR

SEEDHEE HEE

> > JAA

> > > > > > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also

pandit ji

> > > > > > > assumed

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn

khana 8.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu

called as

> > head

> > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

(Head)

> > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already

persues Rahu

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > as head

> > > > > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes

befor us

> > > > > > > > including all

> > > > > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > > > > > picture

> > > > > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or

right)

> > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > snake

> > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or

SAMAY &

> > > > > > Sarp

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko

paar nahi

> > kar

> > > > > > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog

ke alawaa

> > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee

laalkitab main

> > ise

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko

to saanp

> > > > > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of

quotes of

> > > > > > > revered

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed

to all

> > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn

> > > > > > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called

> > " Sweet

> > > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > > > > > introduced

> > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena)

in his

> > > > > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any

of the

> > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not

being

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend

Mr. K.N.

> > > > > > Rao

> > > > > > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since

it has

> > been

> > > > > > > > misused a

> > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way

Mangal-

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to

exploit

> > people

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following

group.

> > Read

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > article

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know

about our

> > > > > > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > > > > > KALSARP

> > > > > > > > YOG what

> > > > > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a

> > person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its

adverse

> > > > > > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>