LK discussion group pls Dump KALSARP YOG

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Respected Kalsi ji

Ok Ok thanx , It is ur wish ,how u go with vishkanya & vishkanyaa

Yog.If i follow ur theory I have to find elephants & lions in a

horoscope for the reading of GAJ-KESARI YOG.

This discussion was erected to understand Lalkitab &

Kaalsarp Yog. More learning is available now for innocent readers

after this discussion.We are known about the grrrr8 personality of

urself.We respect ur suggestions.

With Regards

Pt. Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Shukla Ji,

>

> In Punjabi Khasam means husband nothing else. Khasam Khani means

Marrying

> and becoming widow again and again.

>

> Vish Kanya= A girl feeded specialy with poison from the childhood and

> trained just to seduce the enemy to kill. This practice was used

by rulers

> / kings of old India.

>

> There is lot of difference in the meaning of both the words.

Actually you

> all are twisting the meanings of the words to justify your logics.

>

> Regards

>

>

> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:54 PM, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

>

> > Respected Kalsi Ji

> > Again wrong interpretation-- Vishkanya is the woman ,who she comes in

> > contact with, he will suffer phisically or may die.Not neccesserily

> > through marriage.

> > MATLAB YAH HAI KI VAH AURAT JISKE SANSARG MAIN AANE WALE PURUSH

> > KO SHAARIRIK APGHAAT HO JAAYE YA HO SAKTAA HAI KI USKI MAUT BHI HO

> > JAAYE, VISHKANYA KEHLAATI HAI.SHAADI KI SHART JAROORI NAHI HAI. AUR

> > PUJYA PANDIT JI KI LINE " KHASAM KHANI VAH AURAT HO " KA BHI SEEDHA

> > SEEDHA YAHI MATLAB HO SAKTAA HAI.

> > VKY is not other context, it is also in lalkitab with the word

> > " KHASAM-KHANI AURAT "

> > Regarding ur wolf & lamb - Only u can like to call the contents of

> > lalkitab as lamb. In my opinion these r LIONS & a true lalkitab

> > scholar is a daring rider of lion.Thanx for ur kind suggestions.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Shivdev Kalsi "

> > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Trivedi Ji,

> > >

> > > Vishkanyas do not have husbands. I remember the story of " The Wolf

> > and the

> > > Lamb " .

> > >

> > > In my opinion, here Lamb is contents of Lalkitab. Come what may ,

> > all of KSY

> > > & VKY preachers started one or other pretext to force the war to

justify

> > > these yogas with LK contents.

> > >

> > > I feel let the contents of Lalkitab be treated in right way

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > On 8/21/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Kalsi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned the *Vish Kanya yog* on page 1066 of 1952

> > urdu ed

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Shatru shukra budh har do dekhen, milti baithak khwah alheda ho

> > > > Surya ketu aa budh pe chamke, khasam khani voh aurat ho

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Shivdev Kalsi "

> > > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shukla Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In this case Elephant does not exist neither in Africa nor in

> > Asia. I

> > > > mean

> > > > > there is no mention of this yoga in Hora Prashara the main

> > collection of

> > > > > astrological systems. There is no mention of this yoga in

> > Ashtakvarga,

> > > > nor

> > > > > there is any deduction of Bindus/rekhas on this position of

planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Jaimini I donot find any mention there in also in Horary

> > there is no

> > > > > mention of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no harm to do research in any field. But it is not

a right

> > > > practice

> > > > > to force unethical practices on innocent people in the name

of holy

> > > > > shashtras.

> > > > >

> > > > > Almost all the practising astrologers create fear psychosis in

> > the name

> > > > of

> > > > > KalaSarpa Yoga. this is not a good practice to grab money

from poor

> > > > innocent

> > > > > people.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Vishkanya and other yogas, One shall keep himself to

> > the system

> > > > he

> > > > > is studying. these yogas should be discussed where the shastras

> > > > containing

> > > > > these yogas are discussed and should not be intermingled with

> > others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Every system has his own rules and regulations. If I want to

justify

> > > > > allopathy with ayurvedic or homoeopathy formulation then it is

> > not called

> > > > a

> > > > > good pratice. all these system have there own course of

remedies and

> > > > > diagonose.

> > > > >

> > > > > If ih this group Lalkitab is discussed then all should discuss

> > lalkitab.

> > > > Not

> > > > > to insert other ideologies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us keep ourselves away from this human nature to justify our

> > wrong

> > > > > doings in the name of research or something else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be

> > decided in a

> > > > > > horoscope. If the same situation may be described in lalkitab

> > without

> > > > > > any name with some other definations,

> > > > > > what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no

other

> > > > > > word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in

> > Africa &

> > > > > > Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no

contradiction

> > > > > > about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way reading

> > about

> > > > > > Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the

> > text, not

> > > > > > only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive

> > into the

> > > > > > sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-into "

> > > > > > fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general

> > peoples " is a

> > > > > > defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this

category of

> > > > > > fear-generator group. But it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of these

> > yogas.

> > > > > > Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after some

> > days

> > > > > > other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After

all how a

> > > > > > scholar can stop his readings or researches ?

> > > > > > Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of

> > > > > > electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be

> > helpful

> > > > > > from safety-point of view from electricity.

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > > > --- In

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> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the

> > great Lal

> > > > > > > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the

> > text, not

> > > > > > > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the

> > great Lal

> > > > > > > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Varun Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the

> > section on

> > > > > > > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun

> > Sanhita. I do

> > > > > > > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I

> > do not

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about

> > the kalsarp

> > > > > > > > yog in that context.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> >

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> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your point is well taken.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and

> > half the

> > > > > > > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a

> > different look.

> > > > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by

this; or

> > > > > > > > treating

> > > > > > > > > this placement as a curse.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that

> > whatever ills,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such

> > time that

> > > > > > > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this

> > placement, I

> > > > > > > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

> > research.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

> > > > evaluated.

> > > > > > > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped.

> > You never

> > > > > > > > > know some body else comes up with a better

explanation later

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this

> > placement did not

> > > > > > > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life

> > there are

> > > > > > > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old

> > texts and

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on

> > the basis

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not

> > accept it to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt

> > that a Yog

> > > > > > > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects

of it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > > > > > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

> > deserves.

> > > > > > > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area

> > research, it

> > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> >

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> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one

> > side of

> > > > Rahu-

> > > > > > > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays

> > empty, it

> > > > > > > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

> > abnormality

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology

Savants,

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this

> > abnormality, or how

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a

> > matter

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely

> > needs our

> > > > > > > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the

> > carpet.

> > > > > > > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal

> > Sarp Yog

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate

> > gullible

> > > > > > > > > seekers

> > > > > > > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all

the more

> > > > > > > > > imperative

> > > > > > > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it

> > explains the

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not

> > exist is

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the

planets

> > > > > > > > hemmed

> > > > > > > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny.

> > Give it

> > > > > > > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned

> > response

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper

basket.

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that

> > has never

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > my intention.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree

> > with you

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden

meanings

> > > > hidden

> > > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful

> > that our

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something

> > malefic like

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case

here.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga

> > thing should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Finn

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of

planets are

> > > > usually

> > > > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based

> > upon the

> > > > > > > > > > predective &

> > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading

> > into the

> > > > > > > > > > text ,to

> > > > > > > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in

perview of

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab.I

> > > > > > > > > > tried

> > > > > > > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog

> > directly or

> > > > > > > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i

> > want to

> > > > > > > > say --

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the word

> > > > > > > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

> > astrologers,

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > fact this

> > > > > > > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG,

> > sunafaa

> > > > > > > > > YOG,

> > > > > > > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used

as KAAL=

> > > > > > > > HORROR,

> > > > > > > > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r

so much

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to

understand to

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while

analyzing any

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the

purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > predective or

> > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how

> > are rahu

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole

> > lalkitab is

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory,

no other

> > > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as

> > shadow planets

> > > > > > > > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > > > > > > > view ,what

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while

reading

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt.

> > roop Chand

> > > > > > > > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on

> > religious

> > > > > > > > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a

> > big snake

> > > > > > > > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's

> > " Brihat

> > > > > > > > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for

> > eclipse and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since

> > comets

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > meteors

> > > > > > > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also

> > describes

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

> > legitimate " Kala

> > > > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I

> > think we

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > be honest

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think

> > we should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into

the text.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At

> > least this

> > > > > > > > > > happens to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that

> > Nowhere

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab.

> > So we can

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble

> > words I want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > share

> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was

> > written by

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > past in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to

> > under stand

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > topic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake &

> > saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very

> > begining of

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE

> > PAIR SE.

> > > > > > > > TO

> > > > > > > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be

> > treated

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > head &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed

> > as PANI KA

> > > > > > > > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP,

> > Shani khana

> > > > > > > > no.

> > > > > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn

> > is called

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp

means kal=

> > > > > > > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle

> > of time

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any

> > horoscope will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found

> > some

> > > > > > > > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE

> > ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > > > > > > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI

> > BANTAA HO

> > > > > > > > (here

> > > > > > > > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

> > MUKHDAA

> > > > > > > > > (Head)

> > > > > > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI

> > DUM KETU

> > > > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA

> > HONE

> > > > WALE

> > > > > > > > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU

HOGAA AUR

> > > > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM

> > HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by

> > RAHU KETU

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN

> > AMOOMAN

> > > > > > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN

> > (RIGHT)

> > > > > > > > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE

> > MANDAA

> > > > > > > > ASAR

> > > > > > > > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at

page 590

> > > > showing

> > > > > > > > > BAD

> > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about

> > bad saturn

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH

> > KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR

> > EK SAANP

> > > > > > > > KEE

> > > > > > > > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR

> > SE AAGE

> > > > > > > > > JAHAAN

> > > > > > > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR

> > SEEDHEE HEE

> > > > JAA

> > > > > > > > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also

> > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > > assumed

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn

> > khana 8.

> > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu

> > called as

> > > > head

> > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

> > (Head)

> > > > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in

each

> > > > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already

> > persues Rahu

> > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > as head

> > > > > > > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes

> > befor us

> > > > > > > > > > including all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per

lalkitab ,a

> > > > > > > > picture

> > > > > > > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or

> > right)

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > snake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu.

So even

> > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above

said

> > > > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or

> > SAMAY &

> > > > > > > > Sarp

> > > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko

> > paar nahi

> > > > kar

> > > > > > > > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog

> > ke alawaa

> > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee

> > laalkitab main

> > > > ise

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko

> > to saanp

> > > > > > > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of

> > quotes of

> > > > > > > > > revered

> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed

> > to all

> > > > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Finn

> > > > > > > > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so

called

> > > > " Sweet

> > > > > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these

Yogas were

> > > > > > > > > introduced

> > > > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena)

> > in his

> > > > > > > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the

1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never

mentioned

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any

> > of the

> > > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not

> > being

> > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend

> > Mr. K.N.

> > > > > > > > Rao

> > > > > > > > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since

> > it has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > misused a

> > > > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way

> > Mangal-

> > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7ÃÆ'‚½-years of Saturn

are being used to

> > exploit

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

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> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following

> > group.

> > > > Read

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > article

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know

> > about our

> > > > > > > > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > /

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

<%40>

> > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > > > > > > > KALSARP

> > > > > > > > > > YOG what

> > > > > > > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really

affect a

> > > > person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its

> > adverse

> > > > > > > > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>