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Respected Trivedi Ji,Vishkanyas do not have husbands. I remember the story of " The Wolf and the Lamb " .In my opinion, here Lamb is contents of Lalkitab. Come what may , all of KSY & VKY preachers started one or other pretext to force the war to justify these yogas with LK contents.

I feel let the contents of Lalkitab be treated in right wayRegardsOn 8/21/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Kalsi ji,

Lal Kitab has mentioned the Vish Kanya yog on page 1066 of 1952 urdu ed :

Shatru shukra budh har do dekhen, milti baithak khwah alheda hoSurya ketu aa budh pe chamke, khasam khani voh aurat ho

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>> Dear Shukla Ji,> > In this case Elephant does not exist neither in Africa nor in Asia. I mean> there is no mention of this yoga in Hora Prashara the main collection of> astrological systems. There is no mention of this yoga in Ashtakvarga, nor

> there is any deduction of Bindus/rekhas on this position of planets.> > In Jaimini I donot find any mention there in also in Horary there is no> mention of it.> > There is no harm to do research in any field. But it is not a right practice

> to force unethical practices on innocent people in the name of holy> shashtras.> > Almost all the practising astrologers create fear psychosis in the name of> KalaSarpa Yoga. this is not a good practice to grab money from poor innocent

> people.> > Regarding Vishkanya and other yogas, One shall keep himself to the system he> is studying. these yogas should be discussed where the shastras containing> these yogas are discussed and should not be intermingled with others.

> > Every system has his own rules and regulations. If I want to justify> allopathy with ayurvedic or homoeopathy formulation then it is not called a> good pratice. all these system have there own course of remedies and

> diagonose.> > If ih this group Lalkitab is discussed then all should discuss lalkitab. Not> to insert other ideologies.> > Let us keep ourselves away from this human nature to justify our wrong

> doings in the name of research or something else.> > Regards> > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, lalkitabee lalkitabee wrote:

> > > Respected Mr. Wandahl> > Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be decided in a> > horoscope. If the same situation may be described in lalkitab without> > any name with some other definations,

> > what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no other> > word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in Africa & > > Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no contradiction

> > about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way reading about> > Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the text, not> > only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive into the

> > sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-into " > > fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general peoples " is a> > defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this category of

> > fear-generator group. But it> >> > doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of these yogas.> > Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after some days

> > other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After all how a> > scholar can stop his readings or researches ?> > Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of> > electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be helpful

> > from safety-point of view from electricity.> > With Regards> > Pt.Lalkitabee> > V.Shukla> > www.lalkitabee.com

> > <%40>,

> > " Finn Wandahl " > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,> > >> > > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

> > > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.> > >> > > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text, not> > > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> > > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > > <%40>,

> > " kpmiglani " > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Varun Ji,> > > >> > > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section on

> > > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I do> > > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not know> > > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the kalsarp

> > > > yog in that context.> > > >> > > > Sincerely,> > > >> > > > KP Miglani> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,

> > " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Miglani ji,> > > > >

> > > > > Your point is well taken.> > > > >> > > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the> > > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look.

> > > > What> > > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or> > > > treating> > > > > this placement as a curse.> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills,> > > > if> > > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that> > > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

> > > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.> > > > >> > > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.> > > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

> > > > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which> > > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.> > > > >> > > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

> > > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are> > > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and> > > > are> > > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis

> > > > that> > > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be> > > > a> > > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

> > > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.> > > > >> > > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of> > > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

> > > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it> > > > means> > > > > that I accept its possible existence.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>,

> > " kpmiglani " > > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-> > > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality> > > > > could> > > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,> > > > including

> > > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how> > > > > was> > > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our> > > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.> > > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible> > > > > seekers> > > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > > > imperative> > > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the> > > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

> > > > > like> > > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets> > > > hemmed> > > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response> > > > is> > > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.> > > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

> > > > been> > > > > > my intention.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > >> > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>,

> > " Finn Wandahl " > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that> > > > > many> > > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > > > > > within> > > > > > > them. No doubt about that.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> > > > great> > > > > > Lal> > > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like> > > > the> > > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be> > > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > Finn> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually> > > > > > based on> > > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > > > > > predective & > > > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the> > > > > > text ,to> > > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > > > lalkitab.I> > > > > > tried> > > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or> > > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to> > > > say --> > > > >> > > > > > the word> > > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

> > > > In> > > > > > fact this> > > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa> > > > > YOG,> > > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=> > > > HORROR,> > > > > > DEATH ,by> > > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > > > horoscopes having> > > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)> > > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> > > > > any> > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any> > > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of> > > > > > predective or> > > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> > > > ketu> > > > > > explained> > > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is> > > > based> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other> > > > system> > > > > i> > > > > > found> > > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > > > > > (CHHAYAA> > > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of> > > > view ,what> > > > > i> > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading> > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > This is> > > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > > > > > Joshi ji> > > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.> > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > " Finn Wandahl " > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious> > > > > > cosmology, and> > > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > > > > > swallowing the> > > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > > > Samhita " (6th> > > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and> > > > the> > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets> > > > and> > > > > > meteors> > > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu> > > > > and> > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala> > > > > Sarpa> > > > > > Yoga " as> > > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> > > > should> > > > > > be honest> > > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

> > > > be> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.> > > > > Otherwise> > > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this> > > > > > happens to> > > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any> > > > > > > > description> > > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

> > > > say> > > > > > lalkitab> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

> > > > to> > > > > > share> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

> > > > me> > > > > in> > > > > > past in> > > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand> > > > the

> > > > > > topic-> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the> > > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is> > > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of> > > > > > lalkitab says> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.> > > > TO> > > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated> > > > as> > > > > > head & > > > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA> > > > > > SAANP, Shani> > > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

> > > > no.> > > > > 6> > > > > > as RAAT> > > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

> > > > as> > > > > > snake in> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -> > > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time> > > > in> > > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will> > > > be> > > > > > treated as> > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some> > > > > > discriptions & > > > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI> > > > > > HOTAA HO> > > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> > > > (here> > > > > > ajdahaa is> > > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA> > > > > (Head)> > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > > > > > BAITHAA HONE> > > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE> > > > > > GHAR MAIN> > > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > > > SANICHCHAR> > > > > > KI DUM> > > > > > > > > KETU HOGI> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in> > > > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN> > > > > > SANICHCHAR> > > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > > > > > BAAYAIN> > > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA> > > > ASAR> > > > > > HOGAA.> > > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

> > > > > BAD> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

> > > > as> > > > > > below> > > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA> > > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

> > > > KEE> > > > > > SHAKAL> > > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE> > > > > JAHAAN> > > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA> > > > > > SAKTEE HO ,> > > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > > > > assumed> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.> > > > But> > > > > in

> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head> > > > & > > > > > > ketu as> > > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)> > > > RAHU> > > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > > HO.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each> > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu> > > > > ketu> > > > > > as head> > > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > > > > > including all> > > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a> > > > picture> > > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by> > > > > the> > > > > > snake> > > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > > > lalkitab> > > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said> > > > situation> > > > > of

> > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & > > > > Sarp> > > > > => > > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar> > > > > > sake aur ek> > > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

> > > > aur> > > > > > kuchh> > > > > > > > bolnaa> > > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

> > > > > is> > > > > > naam se> > > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp> > > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

> > > > > revered> > > > > > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

> > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > members & there views.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > " Finn> > > > Wandahl " > > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > > > > > Sarpa> > > > > > > > Yoga " ,> > > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were> > > > > introduced

> > > > > > by the> > > > > > > > late> > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his> > > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > > > anything> > > > > > about an> > > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

> > > > Rao> > > > > > from Delhi> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > > > > > misused a> > > > > > > > lot> > > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-> > > > dosha

> > > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people> > > > all> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%40>,

> > " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read> > > > > the> > > > > > article

> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our> > > > > > views on it.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > <%40>,

> > " rakesh.behal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss> > > > KALSARP> > > > > > YOG what> > > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > > kitab> > > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.> > > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > > > > > effects.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >

> >> > > >> > > > -- > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)>

 

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Respected Trivedi Ji,I am learning too much from the discussion and to how to twist the meanings of word.I feel you know what the Kanya means in Hindi. A lot of times the word is used in LK. Kanya Poojan, Kanya seva, even in Durga ashtami all of us do Kanya poojan.

I dont think this word is used for woman.RegardsOn Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Kalsi ji,

 

If that is how you understand the word Vishkanya, then all I can do

is to pity myself.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Respected Trivedi Ji,

>

> Vishkanyas do not have husbands. I remember the story of " The Wolf

and the

> Lamb " .

>

> In my opinion, here Lamb is contents of Lalkitab. Come what may ,

all of KSY

> & VKY preachers started one or other pretext to force the war to

justify

> these yogas with LK contents.

>

> I feel let the contents of Lalkitab be treated in right way

>

> Regards

>

>

> On 8/21/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kalsi ji,

> >

> > Lal Kitab has mentioned the *Vish Kanya yog* on page 1066 of

1952 urdu ed

> > :

> >

> > Shatru shukra budh har do dekhen, milti baithak khwah alheda ho

> > Surya ketu aa budh pe chamke, khasam khani voh aurat ho

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Shivdev Kalsi "

> > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shukla Ji,

> > >

> > > In this case Elephant does not exist neither in Africa nor in

Asia. I

> > mean

> > > there is no mention of this yoga in Hora Prashara the main

collection of

> > > astrological systems. There is no mention of this yoga in

Ashtakvarga,

> > nor

> > > there is any deduction of Bindus/rekhas on this position of

planets.

> > >

> > > In Jaimini I donot find any mention there in also in Horary

there is no

> > > mention of it.

> > >

> > > There is no harm to do research in any field. But it is not a

right

> > practice

> > > to force unethical practices on innocent people in the name of

holy

> > > shashtras.

> > >

> > > Almost all the practising astrologers create fear psychosis in

the name

> > of

> > > KalaSarpa Yoga. this is not a good practice to grab money from

poor

> > innocent

> > > people.

> > >

> > > Regarding Vishkanya and other yogas, One shall keep himself to

the system

> > he

> > > is studying. these yogas should be discussed where the shastras

> > containing

> > > these yogas are discussed and should not be intermingled with

others.

> > >

> > > Every system has his own rules and regulations. If I want to

justify

> > > allopathy with ayurvedic or homoeopathy formulation then it is

not called

> > a

> > > good pratice. all these system have there own course of

remedies and

> > > diagonose.

> > >

> > > If ih this group Lalkitab is discussed then all should discuss

lalkitab.

> > Not

> > > to insert other ideologies.

> > >

> > > Let us keep ourselves away from this human nature to justify

our wrong

> > > doings in the name of research or something else.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be

decided in a

> > > > horoscope. If the same situation may be described in

lalkitab without

> > > > any name with some other definations,

> > > > what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no

other

> > > > word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in

Africa &

> > > > Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no

contradiction

> > > > about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way

reading about

> > > > Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the

text, not

> > > > only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive

into the

> > > > sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-

into "

> > > > fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general

peoples " is a

> > > > defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this category

of

> > > > fear-generator group. But it

> > > >

> > > > doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of

these yogas.

> > > > Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after

some days

> > > > other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After all

how a

> > > > scholar can stop his readings or researches ?

> > > > Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of

> > > > electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be

helpful

> > > > from safety-point of view from electricity.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the

great Lal

> > > > > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the

text, not

> > > > > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the

great Lal

> > > > > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Varun Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the

section on

> > > > > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun

Sanhita. I do

> > > > > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I

do not

> > know

> > > > > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about

the kalsarp

> > > > > > yog in that context.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your point is well taken.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and

half the

> > > > > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a

different look.

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by

this; or

> > > > > > treating

> > > > > > > this placement as a curse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that

whatever ills,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till

such time that

> > > > > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this

placement, I

> > > > > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

research.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

> > evaluated.

> > > > > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped.

You never

> > > > > > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation

later

> > which

> > > > > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this

placement did not

> > > > > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of

life there are

> > > > > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old

texts and

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on

the basis

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not

accept it to

> > be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt

that a Yog

> > > > > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of

it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment

of

> > > > > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

deserves.

> > > > > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area

research, it

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > > > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one

side of

> > Rahu-

> > > > > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays

empty, it

> > > > > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

abnormality

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology

Savants,

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this

abnormality, or how

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be

a matter

> > of

> > > > > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely

needs our

> > > > > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under

the carpet.

> > > > > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal

Sarp Yog

> > has

> > > > > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate

gullible

> > > > > > > seekers

> > > > > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the

more

> > > > > > > imperative

> > > > > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it

explains the

> > > > > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does

not exist is

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the

planets

> > > > > > hemmed

> > > > > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can

deny. Give it

> > > > > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well

reasoned response

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper

basket.

> > > > > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that

has never

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > my intention.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree

with you

> > that

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden

meanings

> > hidden

> > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful

that our

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something

malefic like

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case

here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga

thing should

> > be

> > > > > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Finn

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets

are

> > usually

> > > > > > > > based on

> > > > > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are

based upon the

> > > > > > > > predective &

> > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading

into the

> > > > > > > > text ,to

> > > > > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in

perview of

> > > > > > > lalkitab.I

> > > > > > > > tried

> > > > > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog

directly or

> > > > > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i

want to

> > > > > > say --

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the word

> > > > > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

astrologers,

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > fact this

> > > > > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri

YOG, sunafaa

> > > > > > > YOG,

> > > > > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as

KAAL=

> > > > > > HORROR,

> > > > > > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r

so much

> > > > > > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to

understand to

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while

analyzing any

> > > > > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the

purpose of

> > > > > > > > predective or

> > > > > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how

are rahu

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole

lalkitab is

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no

other

> > > > > > system

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as

shadow planets

> > > > > > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point

of

> > > > > > view ,what

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while

reading

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt.

roop Chand

> > > > > > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on

religious

> > > > > > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a

big snake

> > > > > > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha

Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > > > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for

eclipse and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors,

since comets

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > meteors

> > > > > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also

describes

> > Rahu

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

legitimate " Kala

> > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I

think we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be honest

> > > > > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think

we should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the

text.

> > > > > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At

least this

> > > > > > > > happens to

> > > > > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right

that Nowhere

> > any

> > > > > > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab.

So we can

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble

words I want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > share

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was

written by

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > past in

> > > > > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to

under stand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > topic-

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake &

saturn is

> > > > > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very

begining of

> > > > > > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE

NE PAIR SE.

> > > > > > TO

> > > > > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will

be treated

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > head &

> > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed

as PANI KA

> > > > > > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP,

Shani khana

> > > > > > no.

> > > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn

is called

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means

kal=

> > > > > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the

cycle of time

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any

horoscope will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i

found some

> > > > > > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE

ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > > > > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI

BANTAA HO

> > > > > > (here

> > > > > > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU

GINTEY MUKHDAA

> > > > > > > (Head)

> > > > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO

USKI DUM KETU

> > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU

BAITHAA HONE

> > WALE

> > > > > > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA

AUR

> > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM

HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by

RAHU KETU

> > in

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN

AMOOMAN

> > > > > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE

DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > > > > > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA

BHEE MANDAA

> > > > > > ASAR

> > > > > > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page

590

> > showing

> > > > > > > BAD

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about

bad saturn

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH

KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR

EK SAANP

> > > > > > KEE

> > > > > > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE

GHAR SE AAGE

> > > > > > > JAHAAN

> > > > > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR

SEEDHEE HEE

> > JAA

> > > > > > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also

pandit ji

> > > > > > > assumed

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn

khana 8.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu

called as

> > head

> > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

MUKHDAA (Head)

> > > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in

each

> > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already

persues Rahu

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > as head

> > > > > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope

comes befor us

> > > > > > > > including all

> > > > > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per

lalkitab ,a

> > > > > > picture

> > > > > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left

or right)

> > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > snake

> > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So

even

> > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above

said

> > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time

or SAMAY &

> > > > > > Sarp

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko

paar nahi

> > kar

> > > > > > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog

ke alawaa

> > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee

laalkitab main

> > ise

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu

ko to saanp

> > > > > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of

quotes of

> > > > > > > revered

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m

owed to all

> > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Finn

> > > > > > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so

called

> > " Sweet

> > > > > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas

were

> > > > > > > introduced

> > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao

(Meena) in his

> > > > > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-

ties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never

mentioned

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in

any of the

> > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also

not being

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend

Mr. K.N.

> > > > > > Rao

> > > > > > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since

it has

> > been

> > > > > > > > misused a

> > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the

way Mangal-

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to

exploit

> > people

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following

group.

> > Read

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > article

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will

know about our

> > > > > > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > > > > > KALSARP

> > > > > > > > YOG what

> > > > > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really

affect a

> > person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of

its adverse

> > > > > > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

 

 

 

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)