pls discuss KALSARP YOG

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal kitab

says about this and does it really affect a person.

waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

 

thanks

rakesh

[Guest guest]

Respected Rakesh ji,

 

Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on

Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.

 

/

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " rakesh.behal "

<rakesh.behal wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal

kitab

> says about this and does it really affect a person.

> waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

>

> thanks

> rakesh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

 

Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet Sarpa Yoga " ,

are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late

Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi

Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

 

However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an

Upaya for this Yoga.

 

Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional

classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere

in our great Lal Kitab.

 

I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is

very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot

to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the

7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time.

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Rakesh ji,

>

> Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on

> Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.

>

> /

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

, " rakesh.behal "

> <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal

> kitab

> > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

> >

> > thanks

> > rakesh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Finn saheb,

We agree with you. The article I had advised shri Rakesh ji to read opens with these words:

The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them.

Ofcourse we are aware of what respected KN Rao ji has said about the Kal Sarp yog.

We talk about the Kal sarp yog because it has become a part of our Indian psyche. Ignoring it would amount to pushing natives to the fraud astrologers who might scare them and fleece them.

At the same time we also admit that when half the horoscope is unoccupied, it does make it abnormal and certain upaya would be needed to take care of this imbalance.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,> > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called "Sweet Sarpa Yoga",> are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late> Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi> Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties. > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an> Upaya for this Yoga. > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional> classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere> in our great Lal Kitab.> > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is> very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot> to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the> 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time. > > Best regards,> Finn Wandahl> > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Rakesh ji,> > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.> > > > /> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rakesh.behal" > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal > > kitab > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.> > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.> > > > > > thanks> > > rakesh> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Mr. Wandahl & MembersYour keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any descriptionwith the name as "Kalsarp Yoga" in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab doesnot consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share someown views in this perview..This article was written by me in past in other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the topic- LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOGRESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as thehead of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated assnake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says aboutrahu ketu--1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA KHUDUNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu astail)2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shanikhana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT KAANDHAA SAANP.So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake inlalkitab.Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which allplanets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated askalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions & definations as below1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HOULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa isAJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO(Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONEWALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN GINAAJAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU HOGI(PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. Aswell as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR BAITHAAHONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) RAHUKETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.(after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effectsof SAANP (Shani)4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as belowHEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAARAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI YAANIJIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US GHAR PARSHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even thisline has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also saturntreated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said above:--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO.It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including allplanets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appearsthat all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake(Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does notused the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planetsgives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = SnakeYog,created in horoscope.Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhigrah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ekaisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaasateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam senaheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka siraur dum kahaa gayaa hai.All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab.But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned members & there views.With RegardsPt.LalkitabeeV.Shukla , "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,> > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called "Sweet Sarpa Yoga",> are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late> Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi> Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties. > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an> Upaya for this Yoga. > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional> classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere> in our great Lal Kitab.> > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is> very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot> to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the> 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time. > > Best regards,> Finn Wandahl> > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Rakesh ji,> > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.> > > > /> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rakesh.behal" > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal > > kitab > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.> > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.> > > > > > thanks> > > rakesh> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sir lalkitabee ji yahi to kalsarp yog hai. Admi ko rahu sar se

pakare aur ketu paron se. dono milkar admi ko shikanje men kas len

aur use agey na barhne de. Kalsarp yog mein dono papi rahu ketu

shani ki shakal banakar admi ka dam hi ghont dete hain. Jab kabhi

unki jumbish dheeli padti hai to admi thoda bahut age ko barh pata

hai. Kalsarp yog wale shaksh 42 sal ke bad kafi tarakki bhi karte

hain. Rahu ketu ke phande se azad hokar admi bahut teji se tarakki

karta hai. Log batate hain ki shayad Hindustan ki kundali mein bhi

kalsarp yog hai, 42 sal bad 90 ke dashak mein hi tarakki shuru huyi

Apne rahu sar aur ketu poonch ban gaya sanp - achha point bataya hai.

 

Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

>

> Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

description

> with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

lalkitab does

> not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share

some

> own views in this perview..This article was written by me in past

in

> other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the topic-

>

> LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

>

> RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as

> snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says

about

> rahu ketu--

>

> 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA

KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head &

Ketu as tail)

>

> 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP,

Shani

> khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as

RAAT KA ANDHAA SAANP.

>

> So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in

> lalkitab.

>

> Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY

Sarp -

> snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all

> planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated

as

> kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

>

> At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions &

> definations as below

>

> 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO

> ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa

is

> AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

>

> 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA

HONE

> WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN

GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM

KETU HOGI

>

> (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

>

> 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab.

As

> well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR

BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN

(LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.

> (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

effects

> of SAANP (Shani)

>

> 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below

> HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL

(shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN

BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE

HO , US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

a snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

other context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

ketu as tail. As said above

>

> :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD

HOTAA HO.

>

> It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as

head & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

including all planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

picture appears that all planets controlled at one side (left or

right) by the snake (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So

even lalkitab does not used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above

said situation of planets gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal =

Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake Yog,created in horoscope.

>

> Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur

ek

> aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh

bolnaa

> sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se

> naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka

sir

> aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

>

> All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

lalkitab.

>

> But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

members & there views.

>

> With Regards

>

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> >

> > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet Sarpa

Yoga " ,

> > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the

late

> > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi

> > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> >

> > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an

> > Upaya for this Yoga.

> >

> > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional

> > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

anywhere

> > in our great Lal Kitab.

> >

> > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from

Delhi is

> > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a

lot

> > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the

> > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > >

> > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

article on

> > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on

it.

> > >

> > > /

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what

lal

> > > kitab

> > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > rakesh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

 

Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious cosmology, and

in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake swallowing the

Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

 

It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat Samhita " (6th

century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the word

" Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and meteors

look like tails when observed in the sky.

 

However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and Ketu

something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa Yoga " as

somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should be honest

about this - at least to our own good selves.

 

When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be very

careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise we may

end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this happens to

be my own humble opinion.

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

>

> Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any description

> with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab does

> not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share some

> own views in this perview..This article was written by me in past in

> other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the topic-

>

> LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

>

> RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as

> snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says about

> rahu ketu--

>

> 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA

KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head &

Ketu as tail)

>

> 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani

> khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT

KA ANDHAA SAANP.

>

> So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in

> lalkitab.

>

> Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all

> planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as

> kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

>

> At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions &

> definations as below

>

> 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO

> ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is

> AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

>

> 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE

> WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN

GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM

KETU HOGI

>

> (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

>

> 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As

> well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR

BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN

(LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.

> (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects

> of SAANP (Shani)

>

> 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below

> HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL

(shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN

BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO ,

US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a

snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other

context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as

tail. As said above

>

> :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO.

>

> It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head

& tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all

planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears

that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake

(Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not

used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets

gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake

Yog,created in horoscope.

>

> Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek

> aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa

> sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se

> naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir

> aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

>

> All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab.

>

> But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

members & there views.

>

> With Regards

>

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> >

> > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet Sarpa Yoga " ,

> > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late

> > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi

> > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> >

> > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an

> > Upaya for this Yoga.

> >

> > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional

> > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere

> > in our great Lal Kitab.

> >

> > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is

> > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot

> > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the

> > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > >

> > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on

> > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.

> > >

> > > /

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal

> > > kitab

> > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > rakesh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

 

I see your point and I do agree with you a long way on this. However,

the only astrological school that could possibly claim any kind of

parampara in connection to " Kala Sarpa Yoga " would in my humble

opinion be the KP-followers, since their late Prof. K. S.

Krishnamurty, the very founder of the KP-school itself, was actually

the disciple of the late Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao, who actually happened

to be the one who came up with Kala Sarpa Yoga in the first place.

 

But, as it seems, the KP-followers are not claiming any such

parampara. In fact, none of the KP-scholars that I have ever known

would pay even the slightest attention to " Kala Sarpa Yoga " . They are

much too busy occupied with their beloved Vimsottari-scheme of subs,

significating planets and ruling planets, etc. to pay any attention to

this rather insignificant Yoga.

 

Perhaps we should all follow their example! Actually, after nearly 30

years of experience with Hindu astrology, I have never seen even a

single case or example that " Kala Sarpa Yoga " is actually capable of

causing any malefic effects to any living person. It always showed up

in the horoscopes, that there was some other cause completely

explaining the malefic effects.

 

On the other hand " Kala Sarpa Yoga " has caused benefic effects to

certain astrologers, because it has worked like a money-machine to the

those who wanted to exploit the fear that this yoga has caused on the

people in general, by selling them false remedies, yantras, mantras

that they never needed in the first place.

 

This is my honest opinion about this!

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> Respected Finn saheb,

>

> We agree with you. The article I had advised shri Rakesh ji to read

> opens with these words:

>

> The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be

> just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of

> Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the

> concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money.

> Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used

> to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them.

>

> Ofcourse we are aware of what respected KN Rao ji has said about the Kal

> Sarp yog.

>

> We talk about the Kal sarp yog because it has become a part of our

> Indian psyche. Ignoring it would amount to pushing natives to the fraud

> astrologers who might scare them and fleece them.

>

> At the same time we also admit that when half the horoscope is

> unoccupied, it does make it abnormal and certain upaya would be needed

> to take care of this imbalance.

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> >

> > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet Sarpa Yoga " ,

> > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late

> > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi

> > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> >

> > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an

> > Upaya for this Yoga.

> >

> > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional

> > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere

> > in our great Lal Kitab.

> >

> > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is

> > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot

> > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the

> > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > >

> > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on

> > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.

> > >

> > > /

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal

> > > kitab

> > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > rakesh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Mr. WandahlYes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of

planets are usually based on religious cosmology but my explanations

are based upon the predective & remedial astrology of lalkitab.This

is a reading into the text ,to search out the vision about kalsarp yog

in perview of lalkitab.I tried to answer - does lalkitab includes

kalsarp yog directly or indirectly? . & i found it indirect state in

lalkitab.(Here i want to say -- the word KAALSARP has been used as a

real snake by some astrologers, In fact this word was used to explain a

YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG, anafaa YOG, etc. .Here the 1st

word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR, DEATH ,by some half baked

quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much horoscopes having kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any stream of

predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any horoscope.But

my views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of predective or

remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

explained astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on logical

predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i found like

this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets (CHHAYAA

GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i want

to say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab. This

is y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand Joshi ji

adviced this book to read as a noval.With RegardsPt.LalkitabeeV.Shukla , "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),> > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious cosmology, and> in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake swallowing the> Sun and causing eclipse to happen.> > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's "Brihat Samhita" (6th> century AD) the very word "Rahu" is used for eclipse and the word> "Ketu" is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and meteors> look like tails when observed in the sky. > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and Ketu> something like this, cannot be used to legitimate "Kala Sarpa Yoga" as> somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should be honest> about this - at least to our own good selves.> > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be very> careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise we may> end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this happens to> be my own humble opinion.> > Best regards,> Finn Wandahl> > > , "lalkitabee"> lalkitabee@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members> > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any description> > with the name as "Kalsarp Yoga" in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab does> > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share some> > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in past in> > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the topic-> > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG> > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the> > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as> > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says about> > rahu ketu--> > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA> KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & > Ketu as tail)> > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani> > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT> KA ANDHAA SAANP.> > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in> > lalkitab.> > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -> > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all> > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as> > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.> > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions & > > definations as below> > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO> > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is> > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU> KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)> > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE> > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN> GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM> KETU HOGI> > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)> > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As> > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR> BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN> (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.> > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects> > of SAANP (Shani)> > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below> > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA> > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL> (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN> BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO ,> US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a> snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other> context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as> tail. As said above> > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO.> > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.> > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head> & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all> planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears> that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake> (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not> used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets> gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake> Yog,created in horoscope.> > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi> > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek> > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa> > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se> > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir> > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.> > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab.> > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned> members & there views.> > > > With Regards> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,> > >> > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called "Sweet Sarpa Yoga",> > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the late> > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi> > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.> > >> > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an> > > Upaya for this Yoga.> > >> > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional> > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned anywhere> > > in our great Lal Kitab.> > >> > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi is> > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a lot> > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the> > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the time.> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Rakesh ji,> > > >> > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article on> > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.> > > >> > > > /> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "rakesh.behal"> > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what lal> > > > kitab> > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.> > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.> > > > >> > > > > thanks> > > > > rakesh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

 

Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden within

them. No doubt about that.

 

However, I think we should always be very careful that our great Lal

Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

 

In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

 

Best regards,

Finn

 

 

careful not to

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Mr. Wandahl

> Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually based on

> religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the predective &

> remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the text ,to

> search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I tried

> to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or indirectly?

> . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say -- the word

> KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In fact this

> word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG, anafaa

> YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR, DEATH ,by

> some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much horoscopes having

> kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any stream

> of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any horoscope.But my

> views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of predective or

> remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu explained

> astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i found

> like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets (CHHAYAA

> GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i want to

> say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab. This is

> y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand Joshi ji

> adviced this book to read as a noval.

> With Regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

> , " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> >

> > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious cosmology, and

> > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake swallowing the

> > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> >

> > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat Samhita " (6th

> > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the word

> > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and meteors

> > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> >

> > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and Ketu

> > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa Yoga " as

> > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should be honest

> > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> >

> > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be very

> > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise we may

> > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this happens to

> > be my own humble opinion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> > , " lalkitabee "

> > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > >

> > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> description

> > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab

> does

> > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share

> some

> > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in past in

> > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the topic-

> > >

> > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > >

> > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as

> > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says

> about

> > > rahu ketu--

> > >

> > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA

> > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head &

> > Ketu as tail)

> > >

> > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani

> > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT

> > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > >

> > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in

> > > lalkitab.

> > >

> > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all

> > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as

> > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > >

> > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions &

> > > definations as below

> > >

> > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO

> > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is

> > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

> > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > >

> > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE

> > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN

> > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM

> > KETU HOGI

> > >

> > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > >

> > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab.

> As

> > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR

> > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN

> > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.

> > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects

> > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > >

> > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below

> > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL

> > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN

> > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO ,

> > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a

> > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other

> > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as

> > tail. As said above

> > >

> > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA

> HO.

> > >

> > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head

> > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all

> > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears

> > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake

> > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not

> > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets

> > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake

> > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > >

> > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek

> > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh

> bolnaa

> > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se

> > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka

> sir

> > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > >

> > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> lalkitab.

> > >

> > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > members & there views.

> > >

> > > With Regards

> > >

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > V.Shukla

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > >

> > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet Sarpa

> Yoga " ,

> > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced by the

> late

> > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his book 'Naadi

> > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > >

> > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything about an

> > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the traditional

> > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> anywhere

> > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao from Delhi

> is

> > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been misused a

> lot

> > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha and the

> > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the

> time.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the article

> on

> > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our views on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > /

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP YOG what

> lal

> > > > > kitab

> > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse effects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Finn saheb,

 

You said :

 

" In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury. "

 

Very well put.

 

All planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, and these two trapped in

the empty vaccum of mercury. They will operate within the circle of

mercury and according to the will of the mercury.

 

Sure, the nature of mercury [ budh ka swabhav] could be deciding the

out come of this placement. This needs looking into. It would be a

good exercise to find a correlation between the nature of mercury

and the effects of the so called Kal Sarp Yog.

 

Thank you once again,

 

With regards and respect,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

>

> Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

> statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

within

> them. No doubt about that.

>

> However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

Lal

> Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

>

> In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn

>

>

> careful not to

> , " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

based on

> > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

predective &

> > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

text ,to

> > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I

tried

> > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

indirectly?

> > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

the word

> > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

fact this

> > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG,

anafaa

> > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

DEATH ,by

> > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

horoscopes having

> > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any

stream

> > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

horoscope.But my

> > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

predective or

> > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

explained

> > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i

found

> > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

(CHHAYAA

> > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i

want to

> > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

This is

> > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

Joshi ji

> > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > >

> > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

cosmology, and

> > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

swallowing the

> > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > >

> > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

Samhita " (6th

> > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

word

> > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

meteors

> > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > >

> > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and

Ketu

> > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa

Yoga " as

> > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

be honest

> > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > >

> > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

very

> > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise

we may

> > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

happens to

> > > be my own humble opinion.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > >

> > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > description

> > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

lalkitab

> > does

> > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

share

> > some

> > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in

past in

> > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

topic-

> > > >

> > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > >

> > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

elaborated as

> > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

lalkitab says

> > about

> > > > rahu ketu--

> > > >

> > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

KHUD BA

> > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

head &

> > > Ketu as tail)

> > > >

> > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

SAANP, Shani

> > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6

as RAAT

> > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > >

> > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

snake in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

which all

> > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

treated as

> > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

discriptions &

> > > > definations as below

> > > >

> > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

HOTAA HO

> > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

ajdahaa is

> > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

RAHU

> > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > >

> > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

BAITHAA HONE

> > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

GHAR MAIN

> > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

KI DUM

> > > KETU HOGI

> > > >

> > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > >

> > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

lalkitab.

> > As

> > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

SANICHCHAR

> > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

BAAYAIN

> > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

HOGAA.

> > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

effects

> > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > >

> > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

below

> > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

SHAKAL

> > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN

KAHIN

> > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

SAKTEE HO ,

> > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

a

> > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

other

> > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

ketu as

> > > tail. As said above

> > > >

> > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

KHUD HOTAA

> > HO.

> > > >

> > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu

as head

> > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

including all

> > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

appears

> > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the

snake

> > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

does not

> > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of

planets

> > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp =

Snake

> > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

sake aur ek

> > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

kuchh

> > bolnaa

> > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is

naam se

> > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

(Saturn) ka

> > sir

> > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > >

> > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > > members & there views.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > >

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

Sarpa

> > Yoga " ,

> > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced

by the

> > late

> > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

book 'Naadi

> > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

about an

> > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

traditional

> > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> > anywhere

> > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

from Delhi

> > is

> > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

misused a

> > lot

> > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

and the

> > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all

the

> > time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

article

> > on

> > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

views on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

YOG what

> > lal

> > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

effects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Finn and Varun,

 

I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality could

not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants, including

Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how was

it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible seekers

and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more imperative

on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is like

wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets hemmed

between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response is

expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never been

my intention.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

>

> Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

> statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

within

> them. No doubt about that.

>

> However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

Lal

> Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

>

> In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn

>

>

> careful not to

> , " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

based on

> > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

predective &

> > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

text ,to

> > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I

tried

> > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

indirectly?

> > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

the word

> > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

fact this

> > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG,

anafaa

> > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

DEATH ,by

> > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

horoscopes having

> > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any

stream

> > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

horoscope.But my

> > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

predective or

> > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

explained

> > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i

found

> > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

(CHHAYAA

> > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i

want to

> > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

This is

> > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

Joshi ji

> > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > >

> > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

cosmology, and

> > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

swallowing the

> > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > >

> > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

Samhita " (6th

> > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

word

> > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

meteors

> > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > >

> > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and

Ketu

> > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa

Yoga " as

> > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

be honest

> > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > >

> > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

very

> > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise

we may

> > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

happens to

> > > be my own humble opinion.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > >

> > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > description

> > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

lalkitab

> > does

> > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

share

> > some

> > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in

past in

> > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

topic-

> > > >

> > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > >

> > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

elaborated as

> > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

lalkitab says

> > about

> > > > rahu ketu--

> > > >

> > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

KHUD BA

> > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

head &

> > > Ketu as tail)

> > > >

> > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

SAANP, Shani

> > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6

as RAAT

> > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > >

> > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

snake in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

which all

> > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

treated as

> > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

discriptions &

> > > > definations as below

> > > >

> > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

HOTAA HO

> > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

ajdahaa is

> > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

RAHU

> > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > >

> > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

BAITHAA HONE

> > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

GHAR MAIN

> > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

KI DUM

> > > KETU HOGI

> > > >

> > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > >

> > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

lalkitab.

> > As

> > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

SANICHCHAR

> > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

BAAYAIN

> > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

HOGAA.

> > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

effects

> > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > >

> > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

below

> > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

SHAKAL

> > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN

KAHIN

> > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

SAKTEE HO ,

> > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

a

> > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

other

> > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

ketu as

> > > tail. As said above

> > > >

> > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

KHUD HOTAA

> > HO.

> > > >

> > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu

as head

> > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

including all

> > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

appears

> > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the

snake

> > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

does not

> > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of

planets

> > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp =

Snake

> > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

sake aur ek

> > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

kuchh

> > bolnaa

> > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is

naam se

> > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

(Saturn) ka

> > sir

> > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > >

> > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > > members & there views.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > >

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

Sarpa

> > Yoga " ,

> > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced

by the

> > late

> > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

book 'Naadi

> > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

about an

> > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

traditional

> > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> > anywhere

> > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

from Delhi

> > is

> > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

misused a

> > lot

> > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

and the

> > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all

the

> > time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

article

> > on

> > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

views on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

YOG what

> > lal

> > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

effects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Wandahl ji

 

How about if we treat Kalsarp Yog as BUDH KA PHANDA - as the noose

of mercury? And suggest upaya based on the nature of mercury as

found out after calculating the budh ka bhed.

 

Sincerely,

 

HS Gill

 

 

 

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

>

> Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

> statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

within

> them. No doubt about that.

>

> However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

Lal

> Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

>

> In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn

>

>

> careful not to

> , " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

based on

> > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

predective &

> > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

text ,to

> > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I

tried

> > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

indirectly?

> > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

the word

> > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

fact this

> > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG,

anafaa

> > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

DEATH ,by

> > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

horoscopes having

> > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any

stream

> > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

horoscope.But my

> > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

predective or

> > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

explained

> > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i

found

> > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

(CHHAYAA

> > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i

want to

> > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

This is

> > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

Joshi ji

> > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > >

> > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

cosmology, and

> > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

swallowing the

> > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > >

> > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

Samhita " (6th

> > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

word

> > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

meteors

> > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > >

> > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and

Ketu

> > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa

Yoga " as

> > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

be honest

> > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > >

> > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

very

> > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise

we may

> > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

happens to

> > > be my own humble opinion.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > >

> > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > description

> > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

lalkitab

> > does

> > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

share

> > some

> > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in

past in

> > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

topic-

> > > >

> > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > >

> > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

elaborated as

> > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

lalkitab says

> > about

> > > > rahu ketu--

> > > >

> > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

KHUD BA

> > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

head &

> > > Ketu as tail)

> > > >

> > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

SAANP, Shani

> > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6

as RAAT

> > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > >

> > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

snake in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

which all

> > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

treated as

> > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

discriptions &

> > > > definations as below

> > > >

> > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

HOTAA HO

> > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

ajdahaa is

> > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

RAHU

> > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > >

> > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

BAITHAA HONE

> > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

GHAR MAIN

> > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

KI DUM

> > > KETU HOGI

> > > >

> > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > >

> > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

lalkitab.

> > As

> > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

SANICHCHAR

> > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

BAAYAIN

> > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

HOGAA.

> > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

effects

> > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > >

> > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

below

> > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

SHAKAL

> > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN

KAHIN

> > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

SAKTEE HO ,

> > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

a

> > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

other

> > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

ketu as

> > > tail. As said above

> > > >

> > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

KHUD HOTAA

> > HO.

> > > >

> > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu

as head

> > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

including all

> > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

appears

> > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the

snake

> > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

does not

> > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of

planets

> > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp =

Snake

> > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

sake aur ek

> > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

kuchh

> > bolnaa

> > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is

naam se

> > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

(Saturn) ka

> > sir

> > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > >

> > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> > lalkitab.

> > > >

> > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > > members & there views.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > >

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

Sarpa

> > Yoga " ,

> > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced

by the

> > late

> > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

book 'Naadi

> > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

about an

> > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

traditional

> > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> > anywhere

> > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

from Delhi

> > is

> > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

misused a

> > lot

> > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

and the

> > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all the

> > time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

article

> > on

> > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

views on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

YOG what

> > lal

> > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

effects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

 

>>All planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, and these two trapped in

the empty vaccum of mercury. They will operate within the circle of

mercury and according to the will of the mercury.<<

 

If you say so! I simply ignore " Kala Sarpa Yoga " . I consider it to be

something like the so called holy ashes that some tantrics are able to

produce. I was once taught this trick by one of them, it is actually

very easy, but I never used it myself. It is enough for me to know

that it is merely a trick.

 

By the way, I was also taught the holy ashes so produced is actually

poisonous, but I have seen many people eating it...

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Finn saheb,

>

> You said :

>

> " In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury. "

>

> Very well put.

>

> All planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, and these two trapped in

> the empty vaccum of mercury. They will operate within the circle of

> mercury and according to the will of the mercury.

>

> Sure, the nature of mercury [ budh ka swabhav] could be deciding the

> out come of this placement. This needs looking into. It would be a

> good exercise to find a correlation between the nature of mercury

> and the effects of the so called Kal Sarp Yog.

>

> Thank you once again,

>

> With regards and respect,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> >

> > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

> > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> within

> > them. No doubt about that.

> >

> > However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

> Lal

> > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> >

> > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn

> >

> >

> > careful not to

> > , " lalkitabee "

> > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> based on

> > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> predective &

> > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> text ,to

> > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I

> tried

> > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> indirectly?

> > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

> the word

> > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

> fact this

> > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG,

> anafaa

> > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

> DEATH ,by

> > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> horoscopes having

> > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any

> stream

> > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> horoscope.But my

> > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> predective or

> > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

> explained

> > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i

> found

> > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> (CHHAYAA

> > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i

> want to

> > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

> This is

> > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> Joshi ji

> > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > With Regards

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > V.Shukla

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > >

> > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> cosmology, and

> > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> swallowing the

> > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > >

> > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> Samhita " (6th

> > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

> word

> > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

> meteors

> > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > >

> > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and

> Ketu

> > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa

> Yoga " as

> > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

> be honest

> > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > >

> > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

> very

> > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise

> we may

> > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> happens to

> > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > >

> > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > description

> > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

> lalkitab

> > > does

> > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

> share

> > > some

> > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in

> past in

> > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

> topic-

> > > > >

> > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > >

> > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> elaborated as

> > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> lalkitab says

> > > about

> > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

> KHUD BA

> > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

> head &

> > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> SAANP, Shani

> > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6

> as RAAT

> > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > >

> > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

> snake in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

> which all

> > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

> treated as

> > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> discriptions &

> > > > > definations as below

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> HOTAA HO

> > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

> ajdahaa is

> > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> GHAR MAIN

> > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

> KI DUM

> > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > >

> > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> lalkitab.

> > > As

> > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> SANICHCHAR

> > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> BAAYAIN

> > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

> HOGAA.

> > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

> effects

> > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

> below

> > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

> SHAKAL

> > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN

> KAHIN

> > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

> a

> > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

> other

> > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

> ketu as

> > > > tail. As said above

> > > > >

> > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

> KHUD HOTAA

> > > HO.

> > > > >

> > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu

> as head

> > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> including all

> > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

> appears

> > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the

> snake

> > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

> does not

> > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of

> planets

> > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp =

> Snake

> > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> sake aur ek

> > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

> kuchh

> > > bolnaa

> > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is

> naam se

> > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> (Saturn) ka

> > > sir

> > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > > > members & there views.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> Sarpa

> > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced

> by the

> > > late

> > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> book 'Naadi

> > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

> about an

> > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> traditional

> > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> > > anywhere

> > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

> from Delhi

> > > is

> > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> misused a

> > > lot

> > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

> and the

> > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all

> the

> > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

> article

> > > on

> > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> views on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > /

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

> YOG what

> > > lal

> > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> effects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

 

In my humble opinion Kala Sarpa Yoga is nothing but a big illusion.

Surely if all the planets are located in the same half of the

horoscope it has some effect, since it makes some houses into Soya

Ghar, dormant. All this can be read in the great Lal Kitab itself, but

these effect has nothing to do with Kala Sarpa Yoga what so ever.

 

Why waste time on Kala Sarpa Yoga when we have something as beautiful

as the great Lal Kitab to read?

 

Best regard,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " kpmiglani "

<kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Finn and Varun,

>

> I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality could

> not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants, including

> Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how was

> it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible seekers

> and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more imperative

> on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is like

> wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets hemmed

> between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response is

> expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never been

> my intention.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> >

> > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that many

> > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> within

> > them. No doubt about that.

> >

> > However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

> Lal

> > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> >

> > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn

> >

> >

> > careful not to

> > , " lalkitabee "

> > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> based on

> > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> predective &

> > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> text ,to

> > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of lalkitab.I

> tried

> > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> indirectly?

> > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

> the word

> > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

> fact this

> > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa YOG,

> anafaa

> > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

> DEATH ,by

> > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> horoscopes having

> > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to any

> stream

> > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> horoscope.But my

> > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> predective or

> > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

> explained

> > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based on

> > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system i

> found

> > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> (CHHAYAA

> > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what i

> want to

> > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

> This is

> > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> Joshi ji

> > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > With Regards

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > V.Shukla

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > >

> > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> cosmology, and

> > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> swallowing the

> > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > >

> > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> Samhita " (6th

> > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

> word

> > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

> meteors

> > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > >

> > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu and

> Ketu

> > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala Sarpa

> Yoga " as

> > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

> be honest

> > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > >

> > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

> very

> > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text. Otherwise

> we may

> > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> happens to

> > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > >

> > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > description

> > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

> lalkitab

> > > does

> > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

> share

> > > some

> > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me in

> past in

> > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

> topic-

> > > > >

> > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > >

> > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> elaborated as

> > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> lalkitab says

> > > about

> > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

> KHUD BA

> > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

> head &

> > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> SAANP, Shani

> > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6

> as RAAT

> > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > >

> > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

> snake in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

> which all

> > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

> treated as

> > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> discriptions &

> > > > > definations as below

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> HOTAA HO

> > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

> ajdahaa is

> > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> GHAR MAIN

> > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

> KI DUM

> > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > >

> > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> lalkitab.

> > > As

> > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> SANICHCHAR

> > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> BAAYAIN

> > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

> HOGAA.

> > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD

> effects

> > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

> below

> > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

> SHAKAL

> > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN

> KAHIN

> > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed

> a

> > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in

> other

> > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

> ketu as

> > > > tail. As said above

> > > > >

> > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

> KHUD HOTAA

> > > HO.

> > > > >

> > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu

> as head

> > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> including all

> > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

> appears

> > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the

> snake

> > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

> does not

> > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of

> planets

> > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp =

> Snake

> > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> sake aur ek

> > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

> kuchh

> > > bolnaa

> > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is

> naam se

> > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> (Saturn) ka

> > > sir

> > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned

> > > > members & there views.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> Sarpa

> > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were introduced

> by the

> > > late

> > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> book 'Naadi

> > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

> about an

> > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> traditional

> > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being mentioned

> > > anywhere

> > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

> from Delhi

> > > is

> > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> misused a

> > > lot

> > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

> and the

> > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all

> the

> > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read the

> article

> > > on

> > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> views on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > /

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

> YOG what

> > > lal

> > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> effects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Miglani ji,

 

Your point is well taken.

 

I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the

horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look. What

I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or treating

this placement as a curse.

 

Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills, if

at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that

the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.

 

In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.

Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which

proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

 

I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are

quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and are

a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis that

classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be a

reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

 

Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it means

that I accept its possible existence.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kpmiglani "

<kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Finn and Varun,

>

> I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

could

> not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants, including

> Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

was

> it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

seekers

> and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

imperative

> on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

like

> wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets hemmed

> between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response is

> expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never been

> my intention.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> >

> > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

many

> > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> within

> > them. No doubt about that.

> >

> > However, I think we should always be very careful that our great

> Lal

> > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like the

> > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> >

> > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn

> >

> >

> > careful not to

> > , " lalkitabee "

> > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> based on

> > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> predective &

> > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> text ,to

> > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

lalkitab.I

> tried

> > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> indirectly?

> > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to say --

 

> the word

> > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers, In

> fact this

> > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

YOG,

> anafaa

> > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL= HORROR,

> DEATH ,by

> > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> horoscopes having

> > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

any

> stream

> > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> horoscope.But my

> > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> predective or

> > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu ketu

> explained

> > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is based

on

> > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other system

i

> found

> > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> (CHHAYAA

> > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of view ,what

i

> want to

> > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading lalkitab.

> This is

> > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> Joshi ji

> > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > With Regards

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > V.Shukla

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > >

> > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> cosmology, and

> > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> swallowing the

> > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > >

> > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> Samhita " (6th

> > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and the

> word

> > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets and

> meteors

> > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > >

> > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

and

> Ketu

> > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

Sarpa

> Yoga " as

> > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we should

> be honest

> > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > >

> > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should be

> very

> > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

Otherwise

> we may

> > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> happens to

> > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > >

> > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > description

> > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say

> lalkitab

> > > does

> > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to

> share

> > > some

> > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by me

in

> past in

> > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand the

> topic-

> > > > >

> > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > >

> > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> elaborated as

> > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> lalkitab says

> > > about

> > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO

> KHUD BA

> > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as

> head &

> > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> SAANP, Shani

> > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no.

6

> as RAAT

> > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > >

> > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as

> snake in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in

> which all

> > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be

> treated as

> > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> discriptions &

> > > > > definations as below

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> HOTAA HO

> > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here

> ajdahaa is

> > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

(Head)

> RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> GHAR MAIN

> > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR

> KI DUM

> > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > >

> > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> lalkitab.

> > > As

> > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> SANICHCHAR

> > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> BAAYAIN

> > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR

> HOGAA.

> > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

BAD

> effects

> > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as

> below

> > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE

> SHAKAL

> > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

JAHAAN

> KAHIN

> > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

assumed

> a

> > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But

in

> other

> > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head &

> ketu as

> > > > tail. As said above

> > > > >

> > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU

> KHUD HOTAA

> > > HO.

> > > > >

> > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

> > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

ketu

> as head

> > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> including all

> > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture

> appears

> > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

the

> snake

> > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab

> does not

> > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation

of

> planets

> > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp

=

> Snake

> > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> sake aur ek

> > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur

> kuchh

> > > bolnaa

> > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

is

> naam se

> > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> (Saturn) ka

> > > sir

> > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

revered

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

learned

> > > > members & there views.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> Sarpa

> > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

introduced

> by the

> > > late

> > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> book 'Naadi

> > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned anything

> about an

> > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> traditional

> > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

mentioned

> > > anywhere

> > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N. Rao

> from Delhi

> > > is

> > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> misused a

> > > lot

> > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-dosha

> and the

> > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people all

> the

> > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

the

> article

> > > on

> > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> views on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > /

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss KALSARP

> YOG what

> > > lal

> > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> effects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. HS Gill,

 

>>How about if we treat Kalsarp Yog as BUDH KA PHANDA - as the noose

of mercury? And suggest upaya based on the nature of mercury as found

out after calculating the budh ka bhed.<<

 

But my dear Sir, no matter how much we try to disguise an illusion, it

will still remain an illusion. Nothing can change that!

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

[Guest guest]

Dear Finn ji,

 

I respect your views, although I do not agree with you entirely. I

would prefer to set the matter aside instead of dumping it

altogether, as Varun ji has said.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

>

> In my humble opinion Kala Sarpa Yoga is nothing but a big illusion.

> Surely if all the planets are located in the same half of the

> horoscope it has some effect, since it makes some houses into Soya

> Ghar, dormant. All this can be read in the great Lal Kitab itself,

but

> these effect has nothing to do with Kala Sarpa Yoga what so ever.

>

> Why waste time on Kala Sarpa Yoga when we have something as

beautiful

> as the great Lal Kitab to read?

>

> Best regard,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

> , " kpmiglani "

> <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Finn and Varun,

> >

> > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

could

> > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

including

> > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

was

> > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

seekers

> > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

imperative

> > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

like

> > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

hemmed

> > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response

is

> > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

been

> > my intention.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > >

> > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

many

> > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > within

> > > them. No doubt about that.

> > >

> > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

great

> > Lal

> > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like

the

> > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > >

> > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > careful not to

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> > based on

> > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > predective &

> > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> > text ,to

> > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

lalkitab.I

> > tried

> > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> > indirectly?

> > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

say --

> > the word

> > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

In

> > fact this

> > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

YOG,

> > anafaa

> > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

HORROR,

> > DEATH ,by

> > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > horoscopes having

> > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

any

> > stream

> > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > horoscope.But my

> > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > predective or

> > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

ketu

> > explained

> > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

based on

> > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

system i

> > found

> > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > (CHHAYAA

> > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

view ,what i

> > want to

> > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

lalkitab.

> > This is

> > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > Joshi ji

> > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > >

> > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > cosmology, and

> > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > swallowing the

> > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and

the

> > word

> > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets

and

> > meteors

> > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > >

> > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

and

> > Ketu

> > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

Sarpa

> > Yoga " as

> > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

should

> > be honest

> > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > >

> > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

be

> > very

> > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

Otherwise

> > we may

> > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> > happens to

> > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > > description

> > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

say

> > lalkitab

> > > > does

> > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

to

> > share

> > > > some

> > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

me in

> > past in

> > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand

the

> > topic-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> > elaborated as

> > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > lalkitab says

> > > > about

> > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.

TO

> > KHUD BA

> > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated

as

> > head &

> > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

no. 6

> > as RAAT

> > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

as

> > snake in

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time

in

> > which all

> > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will

be

> > treated as

> > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > discriptions &

> > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

(here

> > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

(Head)

> > RAHU

> > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

SANICHCHAR

> > KI DUM

> > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> > lalkitab.

> > > > As

> > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > BAAYAIN

> > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA

ASAR

> > HOGAA.

> > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

BAD

> > effects

> > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

as

> > below

> > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

KEE

> > SHAKAL

> > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

JAHAAN

> > KAHIN

> > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

assumed

> > a

> > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.

But in

> > other

> > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head

&

> > ketu as

> > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

RAHU

> > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > HO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

horoscope.

> > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

ketu

> > as head

> > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > including all

> > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

picture

> > appears

> > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

the

> > snake

> > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

lalkitab

> > does not

> > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

situation of

> > planets

> > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY &

Sarp =

> > Snake

> > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> > sake aur ek

> > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

aur

> > kuchh

> > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

is

> > naam se

> > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> > (Saturn) ka

> > > > sir

> > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

revered

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

learned

> > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Finn

Wandahl "

> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > Sarpa

> > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

introduced

> > by the

> > > > late

> > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

anything

> > about an

> > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > traditional

> > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

mentioned

> > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

Rao

> > from Delhi

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > misused a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

dosha

> > and the

> > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people

all

> > the

> > > > time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

the

> > article

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> > views on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

KALSARP

> > YOG what

> > > > lal

> > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > effects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varun Ji,

 

I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section on

Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I do

not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not know

why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the kalsarp

yog in that context.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Miglani ji,

>

> Your point is well taken.

>

> I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the

> horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look.

What

> I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

treating

> this placement as a curse.

>

> Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills,

if

> at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that

> the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

> would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.

>

> In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.

> Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

> know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which

> proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

>

> I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

> find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are

> quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and

are

> a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis

that

> classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be

a

> reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

> like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

>

> Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

> When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

means

> that I accept its possible existence.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " kpmiglani "

> <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Finn and Varun,

> >

> > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

> could

> > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

including

> > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

> was

> > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> seekers

> > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> imperative

> > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

> like

> > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

hemmed

> > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response

is

> > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

been

> > my intention.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > >

> > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

> many

> > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > within

> > > them. No doubt about that.

> > >

> > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

great

> > Lal

> > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like

the

> > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > >

> > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > careful not to

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> > based on

> > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > predective &

> > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> > text ,to

> > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> lalkitab.I

> > tried

> > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> > indirectly?

> > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

say --

>

> > the word

> > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

In

> > fact this

> > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

> YOG,

> > anafaa

> > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

HORROR,

> > DEATH ,by

> > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > horoscopes having

> > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> any

> > stream

> > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > horoscope.But my

> > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > predective or

> > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

ketu

> > explained

> > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

based

> on

> > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

system

> i

> > found

> > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > (CHHAYAA

> > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

view ,what

> i

> > want to

> > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

lalkitab.

> > This is

> > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > Joshi ji

> > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > >

> > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > cosmology, and

> > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > swallowing the

> > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and

the

> > word

> > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets

and

> > meteors

> > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > >

> > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

> and

> > Ketu

> > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

> Sarpa

> > Yoga " as

> > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

should

> > be honest

> > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > >

> > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

be

> > very

> > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> Otherwise

> > we may

> > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> > happens to

> > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > > description

> > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

say

> > lalkitab

> > > > does

> > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

to

> > share

> > > > some

> > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

me

> in

> > past in

> > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand

the

> > topic-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> > elaborated as

> > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > lalkitab says

> > > > about

> > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.

TO

> > KHUD BA

> > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated

as

> > head &

> > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

no.

> 6

> > as RAAT

> > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

as

> > snake in

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time

in

> > which all

> > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will

be

> > treated as

> > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > discriptions &

> > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

(here

> > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

> (Head)

> > RAHU

> > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

SANICHCHAR

> > KI DUM

> > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> > lalkitab.

> > > > As

> > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > BAAYAIN

> > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA

ASAR

> > HOGAA.

> > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

> BAD

> > effects

> > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

as

> > below

> > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

KEE

> > SHAKAL

> > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

> JAHAAN

> > KAHIN

> > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> assumed

> > a

> > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.

But

> in

> > other

> > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head

&

> > ketu as

> > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

RAHU

> > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > HO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

horoscope.

> > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

> ketu

> > as head

> > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > including all

> > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

picture

> > appears

> > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

> the

> > snake

> > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

lalkitab

> > does not

> > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

situation

> of

> > planets

> > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY &

Sarp

> =

> > Snake

> > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> > sake aur ek

> > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

aur

> > kuchh

> > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

> is

> > naam se

> > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> > (Saturn) ka

> > > > sir

> > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

> revered

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

> learned

> > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Finn

Wandahl "

> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > Sarpa

> > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> introduced

> > by the

> > > > late

> > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

anything

> > about an

> > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > traditional

> > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> mentioned

> > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

Rao

> > from Delhi

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > misused a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

dosha

> > and the

> > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people

all

> > the

> > > > time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

> the

> > article

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> > views on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

KALSARP

> > YOG what

> > > > lal

> > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > effects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

 

There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

 

Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text, not

into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " kpmiglani "

<kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

>

> I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section on

> Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I do

> not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not know

> why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the kalsarp

> yog in that context.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Miglani ji,

> >

> > Your point is well taken.

> >

> > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the

> > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look.

> What

> > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> treating

> > this placement as a curse.

> >

> > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills,

> if

> > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that

> > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

> > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.

> >

> > In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.

> > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

> > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which

> > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> >

> > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

> > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are

> > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and

> are

> > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis

> that

> > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be

> a

> > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

> > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> >

> > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

> > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

> means

> > that I accept its possible existence.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " kpmiglani "

> > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > >

> > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

> > could

> > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> including

> > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

> > was

> > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> > seekers

> > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > imperative

> > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

> > like

> > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> hemmed

> > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response

> is

> > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

> been

> > > my intention.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > >

> > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

> > many

> > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > > within

> > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> great

> > > Lal

> > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like

> the

> > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > >

> > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Finn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > careful not to

> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> > > based on

> > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > > predective &

> > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> > > text ,to

> > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > lalkitab.I

> > > tried

> > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> > > indirectly?

> > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

> say --

> >

> > > the word

> > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

> In

> > > fact this

> > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

> > YOG,

> > > anafaa

> > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> HORROR,

> > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > horoscopes having

> > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> > any

> > > stream

> > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > predective or

> > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> ketu

> > > explained

> > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

> based

> > on

> > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> system

> > i

> > > found

> > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> view ,what

> > i

> > > want to

> > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> lalkitab.

> > > This is

> > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > > Joshi ji

> > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > > swallowing the

> > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and

> the

> > > word

> > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets

> and

> > > meteors

> > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

> > and

> > > Ketu

> > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

> > Sarpa

> > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> should

> > > be honest

> > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

> be

> > > very

> > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > Otherwise

> > > we may

> > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> > > happens to

> > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > > > description

> > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

> say

> > > lalkitab

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

> to

> > > share

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

> me

> > in

> > > past in

> > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand

> the

> > > topic-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > > lalkitab says

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.

> TO

> > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated

> as

> > > head &

> > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

> no.

> > 6

> > > as RAAT

> > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

> as

> > > snake in

> > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time

> in

> > > which all

> > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will

> be

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> (here

> > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

> > (Head)

> > > RAHU

> > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> SANICHCHAR

> > > KI DUM

> > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA

> ASAR

> > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

> > BAD

> > > effects

> > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

> as

> > > below

> > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

> KEE

> > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

> > JAHAAN

> > > KAHIN

> > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > assumed

> > > a

> > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.

> But

> > in

> > > other

> > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head

> &

> > > ketu as

> > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> RAHU

> > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > HO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> horoscope.

> > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

> > ketu

> > > as head

> > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > > including all

> > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> picture

> > > appears

> > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

> > the

> > > snake

> > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> lalkitab

> > > does not

> > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> situation

> > of

> > > planets

> > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY &

> Sarp

> > =

> > > Snake

> > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

> aur

> > > kuchh

> > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

> > is

> > > naam se

> > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > sir

> > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

> > revered

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

> > learned

> > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Finn

> Wandahl "

> > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > > Sarpa

> > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > introduced

> > > by the

> > > > > late

> > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> anything

> > > about an

> > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > > traditional

> > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> > mentioned

> > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

> Rao

> > > from Delhi

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > > misused a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

> dosha

> > > and the

> > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people

> all

> > > the

> > > > > time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

> > the

> > > article

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> KALSARP

> > > YOG what

> > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Mr. Wandahl

Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be decided in a

horoscope. If the same situation may be described in lalkitab without

any name with some other definations,

what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no other

word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in Africa &

Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no contradiction

about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way reading about

Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the text, not

only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive into the

sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-into "

fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general peoples " is a

defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this category of

fear-generator group. But it

 

doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of these yogas.

Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after some days

other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After all how a

scholar can stop his readings or researches ?

Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of

electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be helpful

from safety-point of view from electricity.

With Regards

Pt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

www.lalkitabee.com

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

>

> There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

> Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

>

> Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text, not

> into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

> , " kpmiglani "

> <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun Ji,

> >

> > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section on

> > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I do

> > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not know

> > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the kalsarp

> > yog in that context.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > >

> > > Your point is well taken.

> > >

> > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the

> > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look.

> > What

> > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > treating

> > > this placement as a curse.

> > >

> > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills,

> > if

> > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that

> > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

> > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.

> > >

> > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.

> > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

> > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which

> > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > >

> > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

> > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are

> > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and

> > are

> > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis

> > that

> > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be

> > a

> > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

> > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > >

> > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

> > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

> > means

> > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kpmiglani "

> > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

> > > could

> > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > including

> > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

> > > was

> > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> > > seekers

> > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > imperative

> > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

> > > like

> > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > hemmed

> > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response

> > is

> > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

> > been

> > > > my intention.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > >

> > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

> > > many

> > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > > > within

> > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> > great

> > > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like

> > the

> > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > careful not to

> > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> > > > based on

> > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > > > predective &

> > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> > > > text ,to

> > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > lalkitab.I

> > > > tried

> > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

> > say --

> > >

> > > > the word

> > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

> > In

> > > > fact this

> > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

> > > YOG,

> > > > anafaa

> > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > HORROR,

> > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> > > any

> > > > stream

> > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > predective or

> > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> > ketu

> > > > explained

> > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > system

> > > i

> > > > found

> > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > view ,what

> > > i

> > > > want to

> > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > lalkitab.

> > > > This is

> > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and

> > the

> > > > word

> > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets

> > and

> > > > meteors

> > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

> > > and

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

> > > Sarpa

> > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> > should

> > > > be honest

> > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

> > be

> > > > very

> > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > we may

> > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> > > > happens to

> > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

> > say

> > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

> > to

> > > > share

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

> > me

> > > in

> > > > past in

> > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand

> > the

> > > > topic-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.

> > TO

> > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated

> > as

> > > > head &

> > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

> > no.

> > > 6

> > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

> > as

> > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time

> > in

> > > > which all

> > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will

> > be

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> > (here

> > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

> > > (Head)

> > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > SANICHCHAR

> > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA

> > ASAR

> > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

> > > BAD

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

> > as

> > > > below

> > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

> > KEE

> > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

> > > JAHAAN

> > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > > assumed

> > > > a

> > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.

> > But

> > > in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head

> > &

> > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> > RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

> > > ketu

> > > > as head

> > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > > > including all

> > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > picture

> > > > appears

> > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

> > > the

> > > > snake

> > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > lalkitab

> > > > does not

> > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > situation

> > > of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY &

> > Sarp

> > > =

> > > > Snake

> > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

> > aur

> > > > kuchh

> > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

> > > is

> > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

> > > revered

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

> > > learned

> > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Finn

> > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > introduced

> > > > by the

> > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > anything

> > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

> > Rao

> > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > > > misused a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

> > dosha

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

> > > the

> > > > article

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > KALSARP

> > > > YOG what

> > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Finn ji,

 

You have said < After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.>

 

Pt Roopchandra ji was not the writer of Lal Kitab. He was just a

scribe. He wrote down what he got or was told. There are quite a few

stories about where he got it from, or how he got it, but one thing

is certain that the knowledge was not his. We have no evidence that

Pt. Roopchandra ji wrote the Lal Kitab. What we have is just

hearsay. Pt. Roopchndra ji never claimed that he has written the Lal

Kitab.

 

All his life Pt. Roopchandra ji, whenever referring to the Lal

Kitab, used phrases such as ‘ voh kah gaya hai’ he had said; ‘voh

likhwa gaya hai’ he had got it written. No author would use these

phrases while quoting from his own book.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

>

> There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

> Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

>

> Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text,

not

> into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

> , " kpmiglani "

> <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun Ji,

> >

> > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section

on

> > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I

do

> > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not

know

> > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the

kalsarp

> > yog in that context.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > >

> > > Your point is well taken.

> > >

> > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half

the

> > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different

look.

> > What

> > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > treating

> > > this placement as a curse.

> > >

> > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever

ills,

> > if

> > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time

that

> > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement,

I

> > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

research.

> > >

> > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

evaluated.

> > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You

never

> > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later

which

> > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > >

> > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did

not

> > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there

are

> > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts

and

> > are

> > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the

basis

> > that

> > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it

to be

> > a

> > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a

Yog

> > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > >

> > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

deserves.

> > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

> > means

> > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kpmiglani "

> > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of

Rahu-

> > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty,

it

> > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

abnormality

> > > could

> > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > including

> > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or

how

> > > was

> > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a

matter of

> > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs

our

> > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the

carpet.

> > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog

has

> > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> > > seekers

> > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > imperative

> > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist

is

> > > like

> > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > hemmed

> > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give

it

> > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned

response

> > is

> > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has

never

> > been

> > > > my intention.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > >

> > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you

that

> > > many

> > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings

hidden

> > > > within

> > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> > great

> > > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic

like

> > the

> > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing

should be

> > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > careful not to

> > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are

usually

> > > > based on

> > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon

the

> > > > predective &

> > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into

the

> > > > text ,to

> > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > lalkitab.I

> > > > tried

> > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly

or

> > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

> > say --

> > >

> > > > the word

> > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

astrologers,

> > In

> > > > fact this

> > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG,

sunafaa

> > > YOG,

> > > > anafaa

> > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > HORROR,

> > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to

understand to

> > > any

> > > > stream

> > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > predective or

> > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> > ketu

> > > > explained

> > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > system

> > > i

> > > > found

> > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow

planets

> > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > view ,what

> > > i

> > > > want to

> > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > lalkitab.

> > > > This is

> > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop

Chand

> > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > , " Finn

Wandahl "

> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big

snake

> > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha

Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse

and

> > the

> > > > word

> > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since

comets

> > and

> > > > meteors

> > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes

Rahu

> > > and

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

legitimate " Kala

> > > Sarpa

> > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> > should

> > > > be honest

> > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we

should

> > be

> > > > very

> > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > we may

> > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least

this

> > > > happens to

> > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that

Nowhere any

> > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we

can

> > say

> > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I

want

> > to

> > > > share

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written

by

> > me

> > > in

> > > > past in

> > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under

stand

> > the

> > > > topic-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn

is

> > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR

SE.

> > TO

> > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be

treated

> > as

> > > > head &

> > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI

KA

> > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani

khana

> > no.

> > > 6

> > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is

called

> > as

> > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of

time

> > in

> > > > which all

> > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope

will

> > be

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI

SHANI

> > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> > (here

> > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

MUKHDAA

> > > (Head)

> > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM

KETU

> > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE

WALE

> > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > SANICHCHAR

> > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU

KETU in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN

(RIGHT)

> > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE

MANDAA

> > ASAR

> > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590

showing

> > > BAD

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad

saturn

> > as

> > > > below

> > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR

HOGAA

> > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK

SAANP

> > KEE

> > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE

AAGE

> > > JAHAAN

> > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE

JAA

> > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > > assumed

> > > > a

> > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana

8.

> > But

> > > in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as

head

> > &

> > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> > RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues

Rahu

> > > ketu

> > > > as head

> > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor

us

> > > > including all

> > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > picture

> > > > appears

> > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or

right) by

> > > the

> > > > snake

> > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > lalkitab

> > > > does not

> > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > situation

> > > of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY

&

> > Sarp

> > > =

> > > > Snake

> > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi

kar

> > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke

alawaa

> > aur

> > > > kuchh

> > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main

ise

> > > is

> > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to

saanp

> > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes

of

> > > revered

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to

all

> > > learned

> > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Finn

> > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so

called " Sweet

> > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > introduced

> > > > by the

> > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > anything

> > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of

the

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr.

K.N.

> > Rao

> > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has

been

> > > > misused a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

> > dosha

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit

people

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group.

Read

> > > the

> > > > article

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about

our

> > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > KALSARP

> > > > YOG what

> > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a

person.

> > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its

adverse

> > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Miglani ji,

 

Just a request!

 

Please do not raise such issues which might create controversy. We

are concerned with the book irrespective of whoever wrote it. All

astrology knowledge has come from the same source of our great

Rishis of the past.

 

With great regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kpmiglani "

<kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Finn ji,

>

> You have said < After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.>

>

> Pt Roopchandra ji was not the writer of Lal Kitab. He was just a

> scribe. He wrote down what he got or was told. There are quite a

few

> stories about where he got it from, or how he got it, but one

thing

> is certain that the knowledge was not his. We have no evidence

that

> Pt. Roopchandra ji wrote the Lal Kitab. What we have is just

> hearsay. Pt. Roopchndra ji never claimed that he has written the

Lal

> Kitab.

>

> All his life Pt. Roopchandra ji, whenever referring to the Lal

> Kitab, used phrases such as ‘ voh kah gaya hai’ he had said; ‘voh

> likhwa gaya hai’ he had got it written. No author would use these

> phrases while quoting from his own book.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

> >

> > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great

Lal

> > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

> >

> > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text,

> not

> > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> > , " kpmiglani "

> > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Varun Ji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section

> on

> > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I

> do

> > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do

not

> know

> > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the

> kalsarp

> > > yog in that context.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your point is well taken.

> > > >

> > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half

> the

> > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different

> look.

> > > What

> > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > > treating

> > > > this placement as a curse.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever

> ills,

> > > if

> > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time

> that

> > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this

placement,

> I

> > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

> research.

> > > >

> > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

> evaluated.

> > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You

> never

> > > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later

> which

> > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > > >

> > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement

did

> not

> > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life

there

> are

> > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts

> and

> > > are

> > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the

> basis

> > > that

> > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it

> to be

> > > a

> > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a

> Yog

> > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

> deserves.

> > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research,

it

> > > means

> > > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kpmiglani "

> > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side

of

> Rahu-

> > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays

empty,

> it

> > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

> abnormality

> > > > could

> > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > > including

> > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality,

or

> how

> > > > was

> > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a

> matter of

> > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs

> our

> > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the

> carpet.

> > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp

Yog

> has

> > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate

gullible

> > > > seekers

> > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > > imperative

> > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains

the

> > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not

exist

> is

> > > > like

> > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > > hemmed

> > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny.

Give

> it

> > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned

> response

> > > is

> > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has

> never

> > > been

> > > > > my intention.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with

you

> that

> > > > many

> > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings

> hidden

> > > > > within

> > > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that

our

> > > great

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic

> like

> > > the

> > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing

> should be

> > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are

> usually

> > > > > based on

> > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon

> the

> > > > > predective &

> > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into

> the

> > > > > text ,to

> > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > > lalkitab.I

> > > > > tried

> > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog

directly

> or

> > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want

to

> > > say --

> > > >

> > > > > the word

> > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

> astrologers,

> > > In

> > > > > fact this

> > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG,

> sunafaa

> > > > YOG,

> > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > > HORROR,

> > > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to

> understand to

> > > > any

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > > predective or

> > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are

rahu

> > > ketu

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab

is

> > > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > > system

> > > > i

> > > > > found

> > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow

> planets

> > > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > > view ,what

> > > > i

> > > > > want to

> > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop

> Chand

> > > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > , " Finn

> Wandahl "

> > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on

religious

> > > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big

> snake

> > > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha

> Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse

> and

> > > the

> > > > > word

> > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since

> comets

> > > and

> > > > > meteors

> > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also

describes

> Rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

> legitimate " Kala

> > > > Sarpa

> > > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think

we

> > > should

> > > > > be honest

> > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we

> should

> > > be

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least

> this

> > > > > happens to

> > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that

> Nowhere any

> > > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we

> can

> > > say

> > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I

> want

> > > to

> > > > > share

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was

written

> by

> > > me

> > > > in

> > > > > past in

> > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under

> stand

> > > the

> > > > > topic-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn

> is

> > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining

of

> > > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE

PAIR

> SE.

> > > TO

> > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be

> treated

> > > as

> > > > > head &

> > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as

PANI

> KA

> > > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani

> khana

> > > no.

> > > > 6

> > > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is

> called

> > > as

> > > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of

> time

> > > in

> > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope

> will

> > > be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found

some

> > > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI

> SHANI

> > > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA

HO

> > > (here

> > > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

> MUKHDAA

> > > > (Head)

> > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM

> KETU

> > > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA

HONE

> WALE

> > > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM

HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU

> KETU in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN

AMOOMAN

> > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN

> (RIGHT)

> > > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE

> MANDAA

> > > ASAR

> > > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590

> showing

> > > > BAD

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad

> saturn

> > > as

> > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR

> HOGAA

> > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK

> SAANP

> > > KEE

> > > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE

> AAGE

> > > > JAHAAN

> > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE

HEE

> JAA

> > > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit

ji

> > > > assumed

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana

> 8.

> > > But

> > > > in

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called

as

> head

> > > &

> > > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

(Head)

> > > RAHU

> > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues

> Rahu

> > > > ketu

> > > > > as head

> > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes

befor

> us

> > > > > including all

> > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > > picture

> > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or

> right) by

> > > > the

> > > > > snake

> > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > > lalkitab

> > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > > situation

> > > > of

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or

SAMAY

> &

> > > Sarp

> > > > =

> > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar

nahi

> kar

> > > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke

> alawaa

> > > aur

> > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab

main

> ise

> > > > is

> > > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to

> saanp

> > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes

> of

> > > > revered

> > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to

> all

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Finn

> > > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so

> called " Sweet

> > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > > introduced

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in

his

> > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > > anything

> > > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of

> the

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not

being

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr.

> K.N.

> > > Rao

> > > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it

has

> been

> > > > > misused a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way

Mangal-

> > > dosha

> > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit

> people

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following

group.

> Read

> > > > the

> > > > > article

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know

about

> our

> > > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

/

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > > KALSARP

> > > > > YOG what

> > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a

> person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its

> adverse

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> > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

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Dear Shukla Ji,In this case Elephant does not exist neither in Africa nor in Asia. I mean there is no mention of this yoga in Hora Prashara the main collection of astrological systems. There is no mention of this yoga in Ashtakvarga, nor there is any deduction of Bindus/rekhas on this position of planets.

In Jaimini I donot find any mention there in also in Horary there is no mention of it.There is no harm to do research in any field. But it is not a right practice to force unethical practices on innocent people in the name of holy shashtras.

Almost all the practising astrologers create fear psychosis in the name of KalaSarpa Yoga. this is not a good practice to grab money from poor innocent people.Regarding Vishkanya and other yogas, One shall keep himself to the system he is studying. these yogas should be discussed where the shastras containing these yogas are discussed and should not be intermingled with others.

Every system has his own rules and regulations. If I want to justify allopathy with ayurvedic or homoeopathy formulation then it is not called a good pratice. all these system have there own course of remedies and diagonose.

If ih this group Lalkitab is discussed then all should discuss lalkitab. Not to insert other ideologies.Let us keep ourselves away from this human nature to justify our wrong doings in the name of research or something else.

RegardsOn Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Mr. Wandahl

Kaalsarp yog is also a yog.U r known about -how it can be decided in a

horoscope. If the same situation may be described in lalkitab without

any name with some other definations,

what will u say it ? It can be called Kaalsarp Yog bcoz no other

word seems adequate for this. As example- elephants are in Africa &

Asia with some phisical differences. But there is no contradiction

about the use of the word " elephant " . In the same way reading about

Kaalsarp Yog in perview of lalkitab ,is a reading out of the text, not

only into the text. U can bring out pearls after a deep dive into the

sea. The " read-out " theory cant be assumed without " read-into "

fundamentals.At other side - " about the fear of general peoples " is a

defferent scenerio.Not only kaalsarp Yog is in this category of

fear-generator group. But it

 

doesn't mean to stop read or learn about this or type of these yogas.

Today u r saying not to support this Kaal Sarp Yog, after some days

other will say -not to support VISHKANYA YOG etc. After all how a

scholar can stop his readings or researches ?

Electricity is hazardous , but the theory of

electricity is not hazardous & reading of this theory can be helpful

from safety-point of view from electricity.

With Regards

Pt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

www.lalkitabee.com

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

>

> There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

> Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

>

> Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text, not

> into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

> , " kpmiglani "

> <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun Ji,

> >

> > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section on

> > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I do

> > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not know

> > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the kalsarp

> > yog in that context.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > >

> > > Your point is well taken.

> > >

> > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half the

> > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different look.

> > What

> > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > treating

> > > this placement as a curse.

> > >

> > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever ills,

> > if

> > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time that

> > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement, I

> > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of research.

> > >

> > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and evaluated.

> > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You never

> > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later which

> > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > >

> > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did not

> > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there are

> > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts and

> > are

> > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the basis

> > that

> > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it to be

> > a

> > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a Yog

> > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > >

> > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it deserves.

> > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

> > means

> > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kpmiglani "

> > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of Rahu-

> > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty, it

> > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This abnormality

> > > could

> > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > including

> > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or how

> > > was

> > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a matter of

> > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs our

> > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the carpet.

> > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog has

> > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> > > seekers

> > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > imperative

> > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist is

> > > like

> > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > hemmed

> > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give it

> > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned response

> > is

> > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has never

> > been

> > > > my intention.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > >

> > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you that

> > > many

> > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings hidden

> > > > within

> > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> > great

> > > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic like

> > the

> > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing should be

> > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > careful not to

> > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are usually

> > > > based on

> > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon the

> > > > predective &

> > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into the

> > > > text ,to

> > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > lalkitab.I

> > > > tried

> > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly or

> > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

> > say --

> > >

> > > > the word

> > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some astrologers,

> > In

> > > > fact this

> > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG, sunafaa

> > > YOG,

> > > > anafaa

> > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > HORROR,

> > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to understand to

> > > any

> > > > stream

> > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > predective or

> > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> > ketu

> > > > explained

> > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > system

> > > i

> > > > found

> > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow planets

> > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > view ,what

> > > i

> > > > want to

> > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > lalkitab.

> > > > This is

> > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop Chand

> > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big snake

> > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse and

> > the

> > > > word

> > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since comets

> > and

> > > > meteors

> > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes Rahu

> > > and

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to legitimate " Kala

> > > Sarpa

> > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> > should

> > > > be honest

> > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we should

> > be

> > > > very

> > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > we may

> > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least this

> > > > happens to

> > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any

> > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can

> > say

> > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want

> > to

> > > > share

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written by

> > me

> > > in

> > > > past in

> > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under stand

> > the

> > > > topic-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is

> > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE.

> > TO

> > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated

> > as

> > > > head &

> > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA

> > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana

> > no.

> > > 6

> > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called

> > as

> > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time

> > in

> > > > which all

> > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will

> > be

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI

> > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> > (here

> > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA

> > > (Head)

> > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU

> > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE

> > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > SANICHCHAR

> > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT)

> > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA

> > ASAR

> > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing

> > > BAD

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn

> > as

> > > > below

> > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

> > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP

> > KEE

> > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE

> > > JAHAAN

> > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA

> > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > > assumed

> > > > a

> > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8.

> > But

> > > in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head

> > &

> > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> > RAHU

> > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu

> > > ketu

> > > > as head

> > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us

> > > > including all

> > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > picture

> > > > appears

> > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by

> > > the

> > > > snake

> > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > lalkitab

> > > > does not

> > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > situation

> > > of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY &

> > Sarp

> > > =

> > > > Snake

> > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar

> > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa

> > aur

> > > > kuchh

> > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise

> > > is

> > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp

> > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of

> > > revered

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all

> > > learned

> > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Finn

> > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so called " Sweet

> > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > introduced

> > > > by the

> > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > anything

> > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of the

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr. K.N.

> > Rao

> > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has been

> > > > misused a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

> > dosha

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit people

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group. Read

> > > the

> > > > article

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about our

> > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > KALSARP

> > > > YOG what

> > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a person.

> > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its adverse

> > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. KP Miglani & Varun Trivedi,

 

Please, It seems, for some reason, you are focusing on the wrong part

of what I said. The important part was: " After all, we are not the

writers of the great Lal Kitab,... "

 

By this I ment, we have all the right in the world to read this great

book and try to understand it the best we can, but we have no moral

right what-so-ever to change it or to try to turn it into something

else, that was not the original intention.

 

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " kpmiglani "

<kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Finn ji,

>

> You have said < After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.>

>

> Pt Roopchandra ji was not the writer of Lal Kitab. He was just a

> scribe. He wrote down what he got or was told. There are quite a few

> stories about where he got it from, or how he got it, but one thing

> is certain that the knowledge was not his. We have no evidence that

> Pt. Roopchandra ji wrote the Lal Kitab. What we have is just

> hearsay. Pt. Roopchndra ji never claimed that he has written the Lal

> Kitab.

>

> All his life Pt. Roopchandra ji, whenever referring to the Lal

> Kitab, used phrases such as ‘ voh kah gaya hai’ he had said; ‘voh

> likhwa gaya hai’ he had got it written. No author would use these

> phrases while quoting from his own book.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. KP Miglani,

> >

> > There is absolutely NOTHING about Kala Sarpa Yoga in the great Lal

> > Kitab, no matter how much we twist or bend the text.

> >

> > Please always remember, we are supposed to read out of the text,

> not

> > into the text. After all, we are not the writers of the great Lal

> > Kitab, Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> > , " kpmiglani "

> > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Varun Ji,

> > >

> > > I agree with you. I was wondering if you have read the section

> on

> > > Rahu + Ketu in the 1952 edition on page 323 of Arun Sanhita. I

> do

> > > not have the Urdu edition because I can not read urdu. I do not

> know

> > > why, but it sounds to me that the book is talking about the

> kalsarp

> > > yog in that context.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your point is well taken.

> > > >

> > > > I accept that all planets hemmed by rahu and ketu and half

> the

> > > > horoscope going empty does give the horoscope a different

> look.

> > > What

> > > > I am against is the scare that has been caused by this; or

> > > treating

> > > > this placement as a curse.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, it has not been proved beyond doubt that whatever

> ills,

> > > if

> > > > at all, accrue are because of this placement. Till such time

> that

> > > > the ills in the horoscope get associated with this placement,

> I

> > > > would personally like to keep this in the grey area of

> research.

> > > >

> > > > In academic research all possibilities are examined and

> evaluated.

> > > > Those not found tenable are left; they are not dumped. You

> never

> > > > know some body else comes up with a better explanation later

> which

> > > > proves the existence of a Kal Sarp Yog.

> > > >

> > > > I can not dump Kal Sarp Yog simply because this placement did

> not

> > > > find a mention in the classics. In other fields of life there

> are

> > > > quite a few things which did not find a mention in old texts

> and

> > > are

> > > > a reality today. Therefore we can not dump a thing on the

> basis

> > > that

> > > > classics are silent about it. Similarly I will not accept it

> to be

> > > a

> > > > reality till such time that it is proved beyond doubt that a

> Yog

> > > > like Kal Sarp Yog exists and these are the effects of it.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore I do not dump the Kal Sarp Yog as a figment of

> > > > imagination, nor would give more credence then what it

> deserves.

> > > > When I said that I treat it a matter of grey area research, it

> > > means

> > > > that I accept its possible existence.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kpmiglani "

> > > > <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Finn and Varun,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you agree that if all the planets are on one side of

> Rahu-

> > > > > ketu axis and consequently half the horoscope stays empty,

> it

> > > > > presents an abnormal distribution of planets. This

> abnormality

> > > > could

> > > > > not have gone unnoticed by the great astrology Savants,

> > > including

> > > > > Roopchandra ji. What name was given to this abnormality, or

> how

> > > > was

> > > > > it understood, or what it was taken to mean could be a

> matter of

> > > > > debate. Whatever name we assign to it, it definitely needs

> our

> > > > > attention. We can not ignore it and sweep it under the

> carpet.

> > > > > As you both seem to suggest that this so called Kal Sarp Yog

> has

> > > > > been used by unscrupulous astrologers to intimidate gullible

> > > > seekers

> > > > > and used as a money spinner, then it becomes all the more

> > > > imperative

> > > > > on our part to bring out the truth such that it explains the

> > > > > phenomenon logically. By just saying that it does not exist

> is

> > > > like

> > > > > wishing some thing away. The phenomenon of all the planets

> > > hemmed

> > > > > between rahu-ketu does exist, neither of you can deny. Give

> it

> > > > > whatever name you want, but a plausible well reasoned

> response

> > > is

> > > > > expected before dumping it into the waste paper basket.

> > > > > I am sorry if I have hurt any body's feelings, that has

> never

> > > been

> > > > > my intention.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please, I mean nothing personal by this. I agree with you

> that

> > > > many

> > > > > > statements of Lal Kitab has a number of hidden meanings

> hidden

> > > > > within

> > > > > > them. No doubt about that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, I think we should always be very careful that our

> > > great

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab is not being misused to support something malefic

> like

> > > the

> > > > > > general peoples fear, which I think is the case here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my honest opinion this whole Kala Sarpa yoga thing

> should be

> > > > > > considered to be within the evil circle of Mercury.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Finn

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > careful not to

> > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl

> > > > > > > Yes u r absolutly right, Descriptions of planets are

> usually

> > > > > based on

> > > > > > > religious cosmology but my explanations are based upon

> the

> > > > > predective &

> > > > > > > remedial astrology of lalkitab.This is a reading into

> the

> > > > > text ,to

> > > > > > > search out the vision about kalsarp yog in perview of

> > > > lalkitab.I

> > > > > tried

> > > > > > > to answer - does lalkitab includes kalsarp yog directly

> or

> > > > > indirectly?

> > > > > > > . & i found it indirect state in lalkitab.(Here i want to

> > > say --

> > > >

> > > > > the word

> > > > > > > KAALSARP has been used as a real snake by some

> astrologers,

> > > In

> > > > > fact this

> > > > > > > word was used to explain a YOG, like gajkesri YOG,

> sunafaa

> > > > YOG,

> > > > > anafaa

> > > > > > > YOG, etc. .Here the 1st word KAAL = TIME used as KAAL=

> > > HORROR,

> > > > > DEATH ,by

> > > > > > > some half baked quacksalvers.otherwise there r so much

> > > > > horoscopes having

> > > > > > > kalsarp yog with a cheerful life.)

> > > > > > > Symbolic imaginations are very useful to

> understand to

> > > > any

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > of predective & remedial astrology while analyzing any

> > > > > horoscope.But my

> > > > > > > views focused only to the horoscope for the purpose of

> > > > > predective or

> > > > > > > remedial astrology . Im not trying to prove how are rahu

> > > ketu

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > > astronomically or in other style, bcoz whole lalkitab is

> > > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > logical predective & logical remedial theory, no other

> > > system

> > > > i

> > > > > found

> > > > > > > like this. Otherwise Rahu ketu r accepted as shadow

> planets

> > > > > (CHHAYAA

> > > > > > > GRAH)also. I think u wil be agree with my point of

> > > view ,what

> > > > i

> > > > > want to

> > > > > > > say.We cant deny symbolic imaginations while reading

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > > y- in very begining the author of this book Pt. roop

> Chand

> > > > > Joshi ji

> > > > > > > adviced this book to read as a noval.

> > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > , " Finn

> Wandahl "

> > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. V. Shukla (Lalkitabee),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Descriptions of planets are usually based on religious

> > > > > cosmology, and

> > > > > > > > in many religious texts Rahu is pictured as a big

> snake

> > > > > swallowing the

> > > > > > > > Sun and causing eclipse to happen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is a matter of fact, than in Varaha

> Mihira's " Brihat

> > > > > Samhita " (6th

> > > > > > > > century AD) the very word " Rahu " is used for eclipse

> and

> > > the

> > > > > word

> > > > > > > > " Ketu " is the word for comets and meteors, since

> comets

> > > and

> > > > > meteors

> > > > > > > > look like tails when observed in the sky.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However there mere fact that Lal Kitab also describes

> Rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > something like this, cannot be used to

> legitimate " Kala

> > > > Sarpa

> > > > > Yoga " as

> > > > > > > > somehow being linked to Lal Kitab. No way! I think we

> > > should

> > > > > be honest

> > > > > > > > about this - at least to our own good selves.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When dealing with the great Lal Kitab, I think we

> should

> > > be

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > careful to read out of the text, not into the text.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > we may

> > > > > > > > end up with some serious misunderstandings. At least

> this

> > > > > happens to

> > > > > > > > be my own humble opinion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Mr. Wandahl & Members

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your keen observations r absolutly right that

> Nowhere any

> > > > > > > description

> > > > > > > > > with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we

> can

> > > say

> > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I

> want

> > > to

> > > > > share

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > own views in this perview..This article was written

> by

> > > me

> > > > in

> > > > > past in

> > > > > > > > > other group.I think it will be helpfull to under

> stand

> > > the

> > > > > topic-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > LALKITAB & KAALSARP YOG

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RESPECTED MEMBERS lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

> > > > > > > > > head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn

> is

> > > > > elaborated as

> > > > > > > > > snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of

> > > > > lalkitab says

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > rahu ketu--

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR

> SE.

> > > TO

> > > > > KHUD BA

> > > > > > > > KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be

> treated

> > > as

> > > > > head &

> > > > > > > > Ketu as tail)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI

> KA

> > > > > SAANP, Shani

> > > > > > > > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani

> khana

> > > no.

> > > > 6

> > > > > as RAAT

> > > > > > > > KA ANDHAA SAANP.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is

> called

> > > as

> > > > > snake in

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal=

> > > > > time ,SAMAY Sarp -

> > > > > > > > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of

> time

> > > in

> > > > > which all

> > > > > > > > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope

> will

> > > be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some

> > > > > discriptions &

> > > > > > > > > definations as below

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI

> SHANI

> > > > > HOTAA HO

> > > > > > > > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO

> > > (here

> > > > > ajdahaa is

> > > > > > > > > AJGAR SNAKE)SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY

> MUKHDAA

> > > > (Head)

> > > > > RAHU

> > > > > > > > KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM

> KETU

> > > > > BAITHAA HONE

> > > > > > > > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE

> WALE

> > > > > GHAR MAIN

> > > > > > > > GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR

> > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > KI DUM

> > > > > > > > KETU HOGI

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU

> KETU in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN

> > > > > SANICHCHAR

> > > > > > > > BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN

> (RIGHT)

> > > > > BAAYAIN

> > > > > > > > (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE

> MANDAA

> > > ASAR

> > > > > HOGAA.

> > > > > > > > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590

> showing

> > > > BAD

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > of SAANP (Shani)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad

> saturn

> > > as

> > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR

> HOGAA

> > > > > > > > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK

> SAANP

> > > KEE

> > > > > SHAKAL

> > > > > > > > (shape)BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE

> AAGE

> > > > JAHAAN

> > > > > KAHIN

> > > > > > > > BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE

> JAA

> > > > > SAKTEE HO ,

> > > > > > > > US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji

> > > > assumed

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana

> 8.

> > > But

> > > > in

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as

> head

> > > &

> > > > > ketu as

> > > > > > > > tail. As said above

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)

> > > RAHU

> > > > > KHUD HOTAA

> > > > > > > HO.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each

> > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues

> Rahu

> > > > ketu

> > > > > as head

> > > > > > > > & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor

> us

> > > > > including all

> > > > > > > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a

> > > picture

> > > > > appears

> > > > > > > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or

> right) by

> > > > the

> > > > > snake

> > > > > > > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even

> > > lalkitab

> > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said

> > > situation

> > > > of

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY

> &

> > > Sarp

> > > > =

> > > > > Snake

> > > > > > > > Yog,created in horoscope.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

> > > > > > > > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi

> kar

> > > > > sake aur ek

> > > > > > > > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke

> alawaa

> > > aur

> > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > bolnaa

> > > > > > > > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main

> ise

> > > > is

> > > > > naam se

> > > > > > > > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to

> saanp

> > > > > (Saturn) ka

> > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes

> of

> > > > revered

> > > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to

> all

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > members & there views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Finn

> > > Wandahl "

> > > > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kala sarpa Yoga and its opposite, the so

> called " Sweet

> > > > > Sarpa

> > > > > > > Yoga " ,

> > > > > > > > > > are by no means ancient. Both these Yogas were

> > > > introduced

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrologer Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) in his

> > > > > book 'Naadi

> > > > > > > > > > Joytisha', written somewhere in the 1950-ties.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao never mentioned

> > > anything

> > > > > about an

> > > > > > > > > > Upaya for this Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kalasarpa Yoga is not being mentioned in any of

> the

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > classics of Hindu astrology. It is also not being

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > in our great Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also like to mention that my good friend Mr.

> K.N.

> > > Rao

> > > > > from Delhi

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > very critical about Kala Sarpa Yoga, since it has

> been

> > > > > misused a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > to scare the people, very much like the way Mangal-

> > > dosha

> > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > 7½-years of Saturn are being used to exploit

> people

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rakesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Go to the files section of the following group.

> Read

> > > > the

> > > > > article

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Kal Sarp yog and its upaya. You will know about

> our

> > > > > views on it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " rakesh.behal "

> > > > > > > > > > > <rakesh.behal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > i request you all that please discuss

> > > KALSARP

> > > > > YOG what

> > > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > says about this and does it really affect a

> person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > waht upayas one can do to get rid of its

> adverse

> > > > > effects.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > rakesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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