LK Grammar : Houses studied together - 2

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Houses studied together - 2

 

 

House # 1, 7, 8, & 11

 

 

[ a ] Planet placed in the 1st house is considered

the King where as a planet placed in the 7th

house is considered as its prime minister.

If there are more planets in the Lagna than

those in the 7th it would amount to having

more kings than the prime ministers. Such

a situation can cause disorder and chaos. So

long as the prime ministers, planets placed

in the 7th house are more than the ones

placed in the 1st house, the things would

stay orderly.

 

[ b ] A planet placed in the 11th house is taken

to be the legs of the planet placed in the Lagna.

The planet placed in the 8th will act as the eyes

of the planet placed in the Lagna. Now this is

quite obvious that for a King to be effective he

should have reliable eyes and the legs.

 

[ c ] The 8th house is also taken to mean the

considered opinion of the prime minister. That

is, the 7th house planet would advise the planet

placed in the Lagna according to the nature of

the planet placed in the 8th.

 

 

Houses # 3, 5, 9, 10, & 11

 

 

[ a ] If there are mutually friendly planets

in the 2nd and the 9th houses then the native

will be very fortunate and will also enjoy the

wealth and the fame earned by his ancestors.

If they are enemies, then he may not be

lucky and may not have much of what his

ancestors had left.

 

[ b ] The relationship and the relevance of

the planets in the 2nd and the 9th has been

explained in the book through an image. The

monsoon winds arise from the 9th house and

strike against the mountain of the 2nd house

resulting in the rain in the 4th house. If there

is no planet in the 9th, the monsoon clouds

will not form and hence no rain. Similarly if

there is no planet in the 2nd house the clouds

will go through because there is no mountain

to hold the clouds; and there will be no rain.

 

[ c ] Both the 3rd house and the 5th are

associated with the 9th house. The planet

placed in the 3rd starts affecting the native

after the birth of the brother; similarly the

planet placed in the 5th starts affecting after

the birth of the progeny. If the planets placed

in the 3rd and the 9th are friendly towards the

planet placed in the 9th, the native will enjoy

the benefic results of them.

 

[ d ] If there are mutual enemies placed in the

5th and the 8th, then the planet placed in the

11th will attack with lightening speed affecting

the relatives signified by the 5th and the 8th house.

 

[ e ] Planet placed in the 5th and the 10th will

be in a relationship of conflict. Even if they

might be friends, still the significations of these

planets might suffer in their years.

 

[ f ] If the 11th house is unoccupied, then

there will be no financial stability.

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

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Respected Priyaji,

 

In LK- 1941 (tisra hissa) under pakka ghar from 1st to 12th , i have

compiled that for each house some planets gives the results of that

house, wherever they are present in the horoscope.

 

A, B uus teve mein jesse , kahi bhi uske bethe ho

phal vesse hi ghar X ke, uus teve mein hote hein

(here A,B is planets and X is house number)

 

Houses: Planets

 

First House : Jupiter, saturn, mars.

Second House : Jupiter, Venus.

Third House : Mercury , saturn , mars.

Fourth House : Jupiter, Sun , Moon.

Fifth House : Jupiter , sun, rahu, ketu.

Sixth House : Mercury, Ketu, Venus.

Seventh House : Venus, Mercury.

Eight House : Saturn, mars, moon.

Ninth House : Jupiter (alone).

Tenth House : (Papi Grah) Rahu,ketu, saturn.

Eleventh House : Jupiter, Saturn.

Twelveth House : Jupiter, rahu , saturn.

 

a) My question is that all planets in combination will say the result

of referred house, if present anywhere in horoscope or individually

(like karak concept in tradionally astrology)?

for eg Combination jupiter + saturn+ mars, if present anywhere in

horoscope , that result will confine to first house or we have to look

ju or sa or mars individually.

 

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

[Guest guest]

Respected Goel ji,

 

Yes you are right the last lines for all the pakka houses in the

1941 edition do mention what you have said.

 

We have certain reservations about it.

 

Take the example of the first house:

 

It might get affected by the Sun [ pakka house ], Mars [ the owner

of the kal purush kundali house ] and Saturn [ the house of

debility ] through their placements. Why was Sun not included in the

list and why was jupiter included in the list is some thing we have

not been able to corelate. Same is the case with other houses.

 

Therefore while studying the first house we will take cognizance of

the planet placed in the first house and, if at all, of the sun and

the mars.

 

Any way most of the time we prefer to go by the traditional concepts

of the the planet/s placed in the house, aspects of the planet/s on

the house, the placement of the bhavesh [ house lord ] and the

aspects on the bhavesh. The traditional concepts are time tested and

logical and we stick to them.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj

wrote:

>

> Respected Priyaji,

>

> In LK- 1941 (tisra hissa) under pakka ghar from 1st to 12th , i

have

> compiled that for each house some planets gives the results of

that

> house, wherever they are present in the horoscope.

>

> A, B uus teve mein jesse , kahi bhi uske bethe ho

> phal vesse hi ghar X ke, uus teve mein hote hein

> (here A,B is planets and X is house number)

>

> Houses: Planets

>

> First House : Jupiter, saturn, mars.

> Second House : Jupiter, Venus.

> Third House : Mercury , saturn , mars.

> Fourth House : Jupiter, Sun , Moon.

> Fifth House : Jupiter , sun, rahu, ketu.

> Sixth House : Mercury, Ketu, Venus.

> Seventh House : Venus, Mercury.

> Eight House : Saturn, mars, moon.

> Ninth House : Jupiter (alone).

> Tenth House : (Papi Grah) Rahu,ketu, saturn.

> Eleventh House : Jupiter, Saturn.

> Twelveth House : Jupiter, rahu , saturn.

>

> a) My question is that all planets in combination will say the

result

> of referred house, if present anywhere in horoscope or

individually

> (like karak concept in tradionally astrology)?

> for eg Combination jupiter + saturn+ mars, if present anywhere in

> horoscope , that result will confine to first house or we have to

look

> ju or sa or mars individually.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varunji,

 

Till we dont get more clues we restrict ourselves to traditional

concept as you have said.

 

But are you sure that LK is not saying to see the combine effect of

these planets gives the result to the referred House. for eg I mean if

three planets (Jupiter, saturn, mars) place in a single house anywhere

in the chart will not indicate the result of first house. ???

 

Please clarify this ?

 

Thanking you,

 

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Goel ji,

>

> Yes you are right the last lines for all the pakka houses in the

> 1941 edition do mention what you have said.

>

> We have certain reservations about it.

>

> Take the example of the first house:

>

> It might get affected by the Sun [ pakka house ], Mars [ the owner

> of the kal purush kundali house ] and Saturn [ the house of

> debility ] through their placements. Why was Sun not included in the

> list and why was jupiter included in the list is some thing we have

> not been able to corelate. Same is the case with other houses.

>

> Therefore while studying the first house we will take cognizance of

> the planet placed in the first house and, if at all, of the sun and

> the mars.

>

> Any way most of the time we prefer to go by the traditional concepts

> of the the planet/s placed in the house, aspects of the planet/s on

> the house, the placement of the bhavesh [ house lord ] and the

> aspects on the bhavesh. The traditional concepts are time tested and

> logical and we stick to them.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Priyaji,

> >

> > In LK- 1941 (tisra hissa) under pakka ghar from 1st to 12th , i

> have

> > compiled that for each house some planets gives the results of

> that

> > house, wherever they are present in the horoscope.

> >

> > A, B uus teve mein jesse , kahi bhi uske bethe ho

> > phal vesse hi ghar X ke, uus teve mein hote hein

> > (here A,B is planets and X is house number)

> >

> > Houses: Planets

> >

> > First House : Jupiter, saturn, mars.

> > Second House : Jupiter, Venus.

> > Third House : Mercury , saturn , mars.

> > Fourth House : Jupiter, Sun , Moon.

> > Fifth House : Jupiter , sun, rahu, ketu.

> > Sixth House : Mercury, Ketu, Venus.

> > Seventh House : Venus, Mercury.

> > Eight House : Saturn, mars, moon.

> > Ninth House : Jupiter (alone).

> > Tenth House : (Papi Grah) Rahu,ketu, saturn.

> > Eleventh House : Jupiter, Saturn.

> > Twelveth House : Jupiter, rahu , saturn.

> >

> > a) My question is that all planets in combination will say the

> result

> > of referred house, if present anywhere in horoscope or

> individually

> > (like karak concept in tradionally astrology)?

> > for eg Combination jupiter + saturn+ mars, if present anywhere in

> > horoscope , that result will confine to first house or we have to

> look

> > ju or sa or mars individually.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Goel ji,

 

The reason we suggest to follow the traditional approach, is that

there are at places blatant contradictions in the Lal Kitab.

 

See for yourself :

 

1941 ed page # 8 lines 15-16 says:

 

Guru shani aur mangal teve, kahin bhi uske baithe hon

Phal vaise hi ghar pahale ke us teve mein hote hon

 

1942 urdu ed page 12 lines 3-5 says:

 

Ravi shani budh mangal teve, kahin bhi uske biathe hon

Phal vaise hi ghar pahale ke us teve mein hote ho

 

Now you can see that in the 1942 original urdu edition Jupiter has

been dropped and in its place the sun and mercury have been added.

No reasons given for it.

 

We are at a loss to understand as to how mercury gets associated

with the 1st house.

 

These lines have been completely dropped from the 1952 edition. Had

these lines been significant they would not have been dropped

altogether.

 

Therefore we should study the results of a bhava [ house ] as per

the traditional approach.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Vijay Goel "

<goyalvj wrote:

>

> Dear Varunji,

>

> Till we dont get more clues we restrict ourselves to traditional

> concept as you have said.

>

> But are you sure that LK is not saying to see the combine effect of

> these planets gives the result to the referred House. for eg I

mean if

> three planets (Jupiter, saturn, mars) place in a single house

anywhere

> in the chart will not indicate the result of first house. ???

>

> Please clarify this ?

>

> Thanking you,

>

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

>

>

> , " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Goel ji,

> >

> > Yes you are right the last lines for all the pakka houses in the

> > 1941 edition do mention what you have said.

> >

> > We have certain reservations about it.

> >

> > Take the example of the first house:

> >

> > It might get affected by the Sun [ pakka house ], Mars [ the

owner

> > of the kal purush kundali house ] and Saturn [ the house of

> > debility ] through their placements. Why was Sun not included in

the

> > list and why was jupiter included in the list is some thing we

have

> > not been able to corelate. Same is the case with other houses.

> >

> > Therefore while studying the first house we will take

cognizance of

> > the planet placed in the first house and, if at all, of the sun

and

> > the mars.

> >

> > Any way most of the time we prefer to go by the traditional

concepts

> > of the the planet/s placed in the house, aspects of the planet/s

on

> > the house, the placement of the bhavesh [ house lord ] and the

> > aspects on the bhavesh. The traditional concepts are time tested

and

> > logical and we stick to them.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Priyaji,

> > >

> > > In LK- 1941 (tisra hissa) under pakka ghar from 1st to 12th , i

> > have

> > > compiled that for each house some planets gives the results of

> > that

> > > house, wherever they are present in the horoscope.

> > >

> > > A, B uus teve mein jesse , kahi bhi uske bethe ho

> > > phal vesse hi ghar X ke, uus teve mein hote hein

> > > (here A,B is planets and X is house number)

> > >

> > > Houses: Planets

> > >

> > > First House : Jupiter, saturn, mars.

> > > Second House : Jupiter, Venus.

> > > Third House : Mercury , saturn , mars.

> > > Fourth House : Jupiter, Sun , Moon.

> > > Fifth House : Jupiter , sun, rahu, ketu.

> > > Sixth House : Mercury, Ketu, Venus.

> > > Seventh House : Venus, Mercury.

> > > Eight House : Saturn, mars, moon.

> > > Ninth House : Jupiter (alone).

> > > Tenth House : (Papi Grah) Rahu,ketu, saturn.

> > > Eleventh House : Jupiter, Saturn.

> > > Twelveth House : Jupiter, rahu , saturn.

> > >

> > > a) My question is that all planets in combination will say

the

> > result

> > > of referred house, if present anywhere in horoscope or

> > individually

> > > (like karak concept in tradionally astrology)?

> > > for eg Combination jupiter + saturn+ mars, if present anywhere

in

> > > horoscope , that result will confine to first house or we have

to

> > look

> > > ju or sa or mars individually.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> >

>