Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Janma din ka grah ; Janma Samay ka grah [Planet of the day of birth ; and time of birth] The day of birth has always been considered as important in the traditional Vedic astrology. Traditionally a planet has also been associated with the day. Lal Kitab follows the same tradition. For example if a child is born on a Sunday the planet of the day of birth will be the Sun. This planet will always be playing a very important role in the life of the Jatak. Sun will be known as a Kismat jagane wala grah [ a planet which awakens the destiny ]. This will be a remediable planet. Janma samay ka grah [ planet of the time of birth ] is a new concept used in the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab gives a table assigning the time slots to various planets [ Arun Sanhita 1952ed ; page 7 / 1952 Urdu ed page # 30] . This planet will be known as kismet ka grah [ planet of destiny ] and will not be remediable. Note : in the table given on page 30 of the 1952 urdu ed. The time between 3 pm till 4 pm is not accounted for. I take this time between 3 pm and 4 pm that of Mars. This is my personal view. Others may have their reservations on it. Since both these planets are of great relevance to the jatak because one of the planets is a planet of destiny and the other one is the planet that awakens it, the Lal Kitab has laid down the procedure for devising an upaya for them. It is not entirely correct to say that the janma samay ka grah is non-remediable . The remedy to be done for that grah has to be done differently. The two statements in the book are : { a } ‘ Janma waqt ke grah ko ginte hain kismet ka grah aur grah phal ka ; jiska diya hua phal achcha ya bura atal ho aur jiska koi upaya na ho sake’ { b } janma din ke grah ko ginte hain , kismet jagane wale grah ka pakka ghar ya rasiphal ka ; yani jiska upaya ho sake’ Then the book goes on to give an example in detail as to how a remedy should be prescribed for Rahu to a person born on a Monday { moon } at pakki sham { rahu ka waqt}. The book says that prescribe the remedy for rahu , assuming that the rahu is in the 4th house , the pakka ghar of moon. Now lets take the classic example of a person born on a Sunday between 8am to 10 am { the time allotted to sun}, meaning thereby that sun becomes the janma samay ka grah also . Thus the sun is both the janma din ka grah and the janma samay ka grah. According to the first condition Sun is the kismet jagaane wala grah . And where ever it is placed it will be considered as that of grah phal … meaning non-remediable. Now apply the second condition to the above statement : The pakka ghar of the kismet jagane wala grah { sun } would be that of the janma din ka grah { in this case the sun whose pakka ghar is the 1st house } ; which would be considered as of rasiphal and therefore remediable. In other words for remedial purposes the sun would be considered as placed in the 1st house. Lets get back to the original assumption of a person born on a Sunday between 8am and 10am: In this kundali the sun will be either in the 12th house if the birth time is close to 8am ; or in the 11th house if it is close to 10 am. The above conditions mean that if any malefic results are noticed related to the sun , in that case the upaya will not be of sun placed either in the 12th or in the 11th ; instead the upaya will be assuming that sun is placed in the 1st house { the pakka ghar of the janma din ka grah} Thus the upaya for the janma samay ka grah can be done assuming it is placed in the pakka ghar of the planet of the janma din . Bhooshan Priya Next : Houses studied together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Respected Priyaji,As per earlier post "LK Grammar : Planets - 3 ", you have mention to calculate 'Kismet ke Grah' in two ways, one from LK-natal chart and one from LK-varshphal (2nd house theory).Now in this post this is the third technique to find Kismet ke grah (planet of destiny), from Janam waqt ke Grah.'Janam din ka Grah' is 'Kismat jagane wala grah (planets that awakens the destiny)', is it same as 'Kismet ke Grah' ?What result these planet gives in the chart. I mean whether these planet brings fortunes and in which conditions ?Are they always auspicious ? and difference between Kismat jagane wala grah' and Kismet ke Grah as per results.How do we interpret their basic meaning, i think that planet of deceit can also become planet of destiny, it means that positive results are sure to come from that planet??As per tradional astrology , planet which is very well placed in favourable position with strength is the planet of fortune.Kindly present your views and experience.Thank you,With Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "" < wrote:>> > Janma din ka grah ;> > Janma Samay ka grah> > > > [Planet of the day of birth ;> > and time of birth]> > > > The day of birth has always been considered> > as important in the traditional Vedic astrology.> > Traditionally a planet has also been associated> > with the day. Lal Kitab follows the same tradition.> > For example if a child is born on a Sunday the> > planet of the day of birth will be the Sun. This> > planet will always be playing a very important> > role in the life of the Jatak. Sun will be known> > as a Kismat jagane wala grah [ a planet which> > awakens the destiny ]. This will be a remediable> > planet.> > > > Janma samay ka grah [ planet of the time of birth ]> > is a new concept used in the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab> > gives a table assigning the time slots to various> > planets [ Arun Sanhita 1952ed ; page 7 /> > 1952 Urdu ed page # 30] . This planet will be known> > as kismet ka grah [ planet of destiny ] and will not> > be remediable.> > > > Note : in the table given on page 30 of the 1952 urdu ed.> > The time between 3 pm till 4 pm is not accounted for.> > I take this time between 3 pm and 4 pm that of Mars.> > This is my personal view. Others may have their> > reservations on it.> > > > Since both these planets are of great relevance to the> > jatak because one of the planets is a planet of destiny> > and the other one is the planet that awakens it, the> > Lal Kitab has laid down the procedure for devising> > an upaya for them.> > > > > > It is not entirely correct to say that the janma samay> > ka grah is non-remediable . The remedy to be done> > for that grah has to be done differently.> > > > The two statements in the book are :> > > > { a } ‘ Janma waqt ke grah ko ginte hain kismet> > ka grah aur grah phal ka ; jiska diya hua phal> > achcha ya bura atal ho aur jiska koi upaya na ho sake’> > > > { b } janma din ke grah ko ginte hain , kismet> > jagane wale grah ka pakka ghar ya rasiphal ka ;> > yani jiska upaya ho sake’> > > > Then the book goes on to give an example in> > detail as to how a remedy should be prescribed> > for Rahu to a person born on a Monday { moon }> > at pakki sham { rahu ka waqt}. The book says that> > prescribe the remedy for rahu , assuming that the> > rahu is in the 4th house , the pakka ghar of moon.> > > > Now lets take the classic example of a person born> > on a Sunday between 8am to 10 am { the time> > allotted to sun}, meaning thereby that sun becomes> > the janma samay ka grah also . Thus the sun is> > both the janma din ka grah and the janma samay> > ka grah.> > > > According to the first condition Sun is the kismet> > jagaane wala grah . And where ever it is placed> > it will be considered as that of grah phal …> > meaning non-remediable.> > > > Now apply the second condition to the above statement :> > > > The pakka ghar of the kismet jagane wala grah> > { sun } would be that of the janma din ka grah> > { in this case the sun whose pakka ghar is the> > 1st house } ; which would be considered as of> > rasiphal and therefore remediable.> > > > In other words for remedial purposes the sun> > would be considered as placed in the 1st house.> > > > Lets get back to the original assumption of a person> > born on a Sunday between 8am and 10am:> > > > In this kundali the sun will be either in the> > 12th house if the birth time is close to 8am ;> > or in the 11th house if it is close to 10 am.> > > > The above conditions mean that if any malefic> > results are noticed related to the sun , in that case> > the upaya will not be of sun placed either in the> > 12th or in the 11th ; instead the upaya will be> > assuming that sun is placed in the 1st house> > { the pakka ghar of the janma din ka grah}> > > > Thus the upaya for the janma samay ka grah can> > be done assuming it is placed in the pakka ghar> > of the planet of the janma din .> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > Next : Houses studied together> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Dear Goyal, Hypothetically speaking, in a kundali for any year there could be even four or five planets which could qualify for being Kismet ke grah. Since there can be only one planet which could be designated or treated as a Bhagyesh [ traditional concept]; therefore the rest of the planets could be taken to mean as significant. And the native will have to be careful, not to turn those planets malefic, through his own actions. And if any one of them is turned malefic then an upaya should be done. I personally, keeping with the tradition, consider only the 9th lord as Bhagyesh. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Priyaji, > > As per earlier post " LK Grammar : Planets - 3 " , you have mention to > calculate 'Kismet ke Grah' in two ways, one from LK-natal chart and one > from LK-varshphal (2nd house theory). > > Now in this post this is the third technique to find Kismet ke grah > (planet of destiny), from Janam waqt ke Grah. > > 'Janam din ka Grah' is 'Kismat jagane wala grah (planets that awakens > the destiny)', is it same as 'Kismet ke Grah' ? > > What result these planet gives in the chart. I mean whether these planet > brings fortunes and in which conditions ? > > Are they always auspicious ? and difference between Kismat jagane wala > grah' and Kismet ke Grah as per results. > > How do we interpret their basic meaning, i think that planet of deceit > can also become planet of destiny, it means that positive results are > sure to come from that planet?? > > As per tradional astrology , planet which is very well placed in > favourable position with strength is the planet of fortune. > > Kindly present your views and experience. > > Thank you, > With Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > > > , " " > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Janma din ka grah ; > > > > Janma Samay ka grah > > > > > > > > [Planet of the day of birth ; > > > > and time of birth] > > > > > > > > The day of birth has always been considered > > > > as important in the traditional Vedic astrology. > > > > Traditionally a planet has also been associated > > > > with the day. Lal Kitab follows the same tradition. > > > > For example if a child is born on a Sunday the > > > > planet of the day of birth will be the Sun. This > > > > planet will always be playing a very important > > > > role in the life of the Jatak. Sun will be known > > > > as a Kismat jagane wala grah [ a planet which > > > > awakens the destiny ]. This will be a remediable > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > Janma samay ka grah [ planet of the time of birth ] > > > > is a new concept used in the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab > > > > gives a table assigning the time slots to various > > > > planets [ Arun Sanhita 1952ed ; page 7 / > > > > 1952 Urdu ed page # 30] . This planet will be known > > > > as kismet ka grah [ planet of destiny ] and will not > > > > be remediable. > > > > > > > > Note : in the table given on page 30 of the 1952 urdu ed. > > > > The time between 3 pm till 4 pm is not accounted for. > > > > I take this time between 3 pm and 4 pm that of Mars. > > > > This is my personal view. Others may have their > > > > reservations on it. > > > > > > > > Since both these planets are of great relevance to the > > > > jatak because one of the planets is a planet of destiny > > > > and the other one is the planet that awakens it, the > > > > Lal Kitab has laid down the procedure for devising > > > > an upaya for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not entirely correct to say that the janma samay > > > > ka grah is non-remediable . The remedy to be done > > > > for that grah has to be done differently. > > > > > > > > The two statements in the book are : > > > > > > > > { a } ‘ Janma waqt ke grah ko ginte hain kismet > > > > ka grah aur grah phal ka ; jiska diya hua phal > > > > achcha ya bura atal ho aur jiska koi upaya na ho sake’ > > > > > > > > { b } janma din ke grah ko ginte hain , kismet > > > > jagane wale grah ka pakka ghar ya rasiphal ka ; > > > > yani jiska upaya ho sake’ > > > > > > > > Then the book goes on to give an example in > > > > detail as to how a remedy should be prescribed > > > > for Rahu to a person born on a Monday { moon } > > > > at pakki sham { rahu ka waqt}. The book says that > > > > prescribe the remedy for rahu , assuming that the > > > > rahu is in the 4th house , the pakka ghar of moon. > > > > > > > > Now lets take the classic example of a person born > > > > on a Sunday between 8am to 10 am { the time > > > > allotted to sun}, meaning thereby that sun becomes > > > > the janma samay ka grah also . Thus the sun is > > > > both the janma din ka grah and the janma samay > > > > ka grah. > > > > > > > > According to the first condition Sun is the kismet > > > > jagaane wala grah . And where ever it is placed > > > > it will be considered as that of grah phal … > > > > meaning non-remediable. > > > > > > > > Now apply the second condition to the above statement : > > > > > > > > The pakka ghar of the kismet jagane wala grah > > > > { sun } would be that of the janma din ka grah > > > > { in this case the sun whose pakka ghar is the > > > > 1st house } ; which would be considered as of > > > > rasiphal and therefore remediable. > > > > > > > > In other words for remedial purposes the sun > > > > would be considered as placed in the 1st house. > > > > > > > > Lets get back to the original assumption of a person > > > > born on a Sunday between 8am and 10am: > > > > > > > > In this kundali the sun will be either in the > > > > 12th house if the birth time is close to 8am ; > > > > or in the 11th house if it is close to 10 am. > > > > > > > > The above conditions mean that if any malefic > > > > results are noticed related to the sun , in that case > > > > the upaya will not be of sun placed either in the > > > > 12th or in the 11th ; instead the upaya will be > > > > assuming that sun is placed in the 1st house > > > > { the pakka ghar of the janma din ka grah} > > > > > > > > Thus the upaya for the janma samay ka grah can > > > > be done assuming it is placed in the pakka ghar > > > > of the planet of the janma din . > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > Next : Houses studied together > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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