LK Grammar : Classification of horoscopes - 5

[Guest guest]

Nabalig/ Baalig kundali

 

[Adolescent / Mature horoscopes]

 

This is a very useful concept. As a practicing

non-professional I keep using it very often.

I keep getting requests from the worried parents

that their child is having health problems or

losing interest in studies, or lack of concentration,

or is getting belligerent. In such cases this concept

becomes very helpful in analyzing and suggesting

upaya.

 

What makes a horoscope nabalig/adolescent ?

 

[ 1 ] The book says that if the Kendra houses

[ 1,4,7,10] are not occupied or there is only one

planet, which is either mercury, or Saturn, or Rahu ,

or ketu it will be considered as a nabalig / adolescent

horoscope.

 

Remember just one planet should be in the

Kendra houses.

 

[ 2 ] My addition : The book does not say so

 

If any of the Kendra house is occupied by the

Masnuyee components of either mercury, saturn,

Rahu or Ketu, I consider that also as a nabalig

horoscope. This is my addition others might

have reservation about it. Once again the Masnuyee

component of any of the above planets should be

in the Kendra houses

 

[ 3 ] I consider all horoscopes as nabalig up to

the age of 12 years.

 

[ 4 ] A horoscope adjudged as nabalig as per # 1

above, will continue to be considered as nabalig

up to the age of 36 years. In the Varsh Phal table

given in the 1941 edition the house effective for

nabalig horoscope is mentioned up to the age of 36 years.

Some people argue that a horoscope should be

considered as nabalig only up to the age of 21 years.

In my opinion the age 21 years mentioned in the book

[ 1940 ed page 19; line # 1 ] is in the context of the

lines on the palm and not about the horoscope.

 

A horoscope will not be considered as nabalig, in spite

of fulfilling the criteria stated in # 1 above, if it fulfills

either of the following conditions. :

 

Baalig kundali / Mature horoscope

 

[ a ] The sun in either 1st, 5th, or the 11th house.

[ b ] The mercury in the 6th house.

[ c ] After the year the sun gets to the Lagna in

the varsh phal horoscope.

 

In other words the horoscope will be baalig [ adult ]

 

The planets, as and when occupy the Lagna in

the Varsh Phal horoscope, after that those planets

will be considered as balig [ mature/ adult ]

 

The book gives a table as to the planets situated

in which house will have a dominant role till the

age of 12 years. For example the table says that

in the first year it will be the planet/s situated in

the 7th house will be dominant; second year it will

be the planet/s situated in the 4th house and so on.

In case there is no planet in these houses then the

rasi lord of the house should be considered.

 

The same cycle can be used till the age of 36 years

in the case of a nabalig horoscope.

 

There is another table in the book which explains

as to which planet will be a dhoke ka grah [ planet

of deceit ] in which year; this table is known as

dhoke ka 12 sala chakra [ 12 year cycle of deceit

planets ]. This table says that the first year it will

be the Sun, the second year the moon; third year

the Ketu and so on.

 

Do not confuse this table with another table

meant to identify the planet of deceit. This

table is a 12 year cycle table where as the

other one is not.

 

In my experience I have found these two tables

very helpful specially in dealing with the problems

of the children below the age of 12 years.

 

A native with a nabalig horoscope, even if he is

past 36 years, should be advised that he should

always consult some one he trusts before

embarking upon any special project.

 

God bless you

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

Next : House / Bhav / Khana

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Pt. Bhooshan Priyaji,

 

For balig condition you

explained as :

 

"[ c

] After the year the sun gets to the Lagna

in the varsh phal horoscope.

 

In other words the horoscope will be baalig [ adult ] The planets, as and when

occupy the Lagna in the Varsh Phal horoscope, after that those planets

will be

considered as balig [mature/ adult]

"

 

A]Here do you mean to say that any year when

1) Sun or

2) saturn, mercury, rahu, ketu (any one of them)

 

comes to Lagna in varshphal than that year onwards

horoscope will turn baalig. ?

 

Here i am also mentioning the table of Varshphal for more clear

understanding :

 

Position of planet in natal chart : Three 12-years cycle when that

planet will come in Lagna\First house in Varshphal.

House : 1st cycle : 2nd cycle : 3rd cycle.

----------

1st H : 1st year : 13th year : 25 year

2nd H : 2nd year: 14th year : 26 year

3rd H : 3rd year : 15th year : 27 year.

4th H : 4rd year :

16th year : 28 year.

5th H

: 5th year :

17th year : 29 year.

6th H

: 9th year :

18th year : 30 year.

7th H : 7th year :

19th year : 31 year.

8th H

: 8th year :

20th year : 33 year.

9th H :

6th

year : 21th year : 34 year.

10th H

: 10th year :

22nd year : 32 year.

11th H

: 11th year :

23rd year : 35 year.

12th H

: 12th year :

24th year : 36 year.

------------

 

B]Now the second question is that if conditions of Balig or nabalig is

not applicable in the horoscope, than what is will be called, a

normal horoscope where normal varshphal will apply without having

any dominance effect of house as shown in varshphal table in line

number 1 and 2 from page 364 to 377 in 1941 thishra hizza (shri yograj

ji)?.

 

C] where to start the " dhoke ka 12

sala chakra" from lagna itself or from the house where sun is

placed in horoscope taking as first house. for example if in any chart

sun is in 3rd house than for first year sun will give dhoka (starting

from lagna) or venus (starting from sun, lagna is 11th house).

 

Thanking you,

 

With warm regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Please also give the tables you refer in your article.

 

Faithfully,

 

Dharmaveer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " "

< wrote:

>

>

> Nabalig/ Baalig kundali

>

>

>

> [Adolescent / Mature horoscopes]

>

>

>

> This is a very useful concept. As a practicing

>

> non-professional I keep using it very often.

>

> I keep getting requests from the worried parents

>

> that their child is having health problems or

>

> losing interest in studies, or lack of concentration,

>

> or is getting belligerent. In such cases this concept

>

> becomes very helpful in analyzing and suggesting

>

> upaya.

>

>

>

> What makes a horoscope nabalig/adolescent ?

>

>

>

> [ 1 ] The book says that if the Kendra houses

>

> [ 1,4,7,10] are not occupied or there is only one

>

> planet, which is either mercury, or Saturn, or Rahu ,

>

> or ketu it will be considered as a nabalig / adolescent

>

> horoscope.

>

>

>

> Remember just one planet should be in the

>

> Kendra houses.

>

>

>

> [ 2 ] My addition : The book does not say so

>

>

>

> If any of the Kendra house is occupied by the

>

> Masnuyee components of either mercury, saturn,

>

> Rahu or Ketu, I consider that also as a nabalig

>

> horoscope. This is my addition others might

>

> have reservation about it. Once again the Masnuyee

>

> component of any of the above planets should be

>

> in the Kendra houses

>

>

>

> [ 3 ] I consider all horoscopes as nabalig up to

>

> the age of 12 years.

>

>

>

> [ 4 ] A horoscope adjudged as nabalig as per # 1

>

> above, will continue to be considered as nabalig

>

> up to the age of 36 years. In the Varsh Phal table

>

> given in the 1941 edition the house effective for

>

> nabalig horoscope is mentioned up to the age of 36 years.

>

> Some people argue that a horoscope should be

>

> considered as nabalig only up to the age of 21 years.

>

> In my opinion the age 21 years mentioned in the book

>

> [ 1940 ed page 19; line # 1 ] is in the context of the

>

> lines on the palm and not about the horoscope.

>

>

>

> A horoscope will not be considered as nabalig, in spite

>

> of fulfilling the criteria stated in # 1 above, if it fulfills

>

> either of the following conditions. :

>

>

>

> Baalig kundali / Mature horoscope

>

>

>

> [ a ] The sun in either 1st, 5th, or the 11th house.

>

> [ b ] The mercury in the 6th house.

>

> [ c ] After the year the sun gets to the Lagna in

>

> the varsh phal horoscope.

>

>

>

> In other words the horoscope will be baalig [ adult ]

>

>

>

> The planets, as and when occupy the Lagna in

>

> the Varsh Phal horoscope, after that those planets

>

> will be considered as balig [ mature/ adult ]

>

>

>

> The book gives a table as to the planets situated

>

> in which house will have a dominant role till the

>

> age of 12 years. For example the table says that

>

> in the first year it will be the planet/s situated in

>

> the 7th house will be dominant; second year it will

>

> be the planet/s situated in the 4th house and so on.

>

> In case there is no planet in these houses then the

>

> rasi lord of the house should be considered.

>

>

>

> The same cycle can be used till the age of 36 years

>

> in the case of a nabalig horoscope.

>

>

>

> There is another table in the book which explains

>

> as to which planet will be a dhoke ka grah [ planet

>

> of deceit ] in which year; this table is known as

>

> dhoke ka 12 sala chakra [ 12 year cycle of deceit

>

> planets ]. This table says that the first year it will

>

> be the Sun, the second year the moon; third year

>

> the Ketu and so on.

>

>

>

> Do not confuse this table with another table

>

> meant to identify the planet of deceit. This

>

> table is a 12 year cycle table where as the

>

> other one is not.

>

>

>

> In my experience I have found these two tables

>

> very helpful specially in dealing with the problems

>

> of the children below the age of 12 years.

>

>

>

> A native with a nabalig horoscope, even if he is

>

> past 36 years, should be advised that he should

>

> always consult some one he trusts before

>

> embarking upon any special project.

>

>

>

> God bless you

>

>

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

>

>

> Next : House / Bhav / Khana

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dharmaveer ji,

 

I intentionally with hold the tables. I do not want these short

notes to be treated as a substitute of the book. I want these notes

to be a help when you are reading the book.

If I give the tables also, there will be a tendency to ignore the

book which I do not want.

I hope you understand my intentions.

 

God bless you,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " dharmaveer.dahiya "

<dharmaveer.dahiya wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> Please also give the tables you refer in your article.

>

> Faithfully,

>

> Dharmaveer

>

, " "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nabalig/ Baalig kundali

> >

> >

> >

> > [Adolescent / Mature horoscopes]

> >

> >

> >

> > This is a very useful concept. As a practicing

> >

> > non-professional I keep using it very often.

> >

> > I keep getting requests from the worried parents

> >

> > that their child is having health problems or

> >

> > losing interest in studies, or lack of concentration,

> >

> > or is getting belligerent. In such cases this concept

> >

> > becomes very helpful in analyzing and suggesting

> >

> > upaya.

> >

> >

> >

> > What makes a horoscope nabalig/adolescent ?

> >

> >

> >

> > [ 1 ] The book says that if the Kendra houses

> >

> > [ 1,4,7,10] are not occupied or there is only one

> >

> > planet, which is either mercury, or Saturn, or Rahu ,

> >

> > or ketu it will be considered as a nabalig / adolescent

> >

> > horoscope.

> >

> >

> >

> > Remember just one planet should be in the

> >

> > Kendra houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > [ 2 ] My addition : The book does not say so

> >

> >

> >

> > If any of the Kendra house is occupied by the

> >

> > Masnuyee components of either mercury, saturn,

> >

> > Rahu or Ketu, I consider that also as a nabalig

> >

> > horoscope. This is my addition others might

> >

> > have reservation about it. Once again the Masnuyee

> >

> > component of any of the above planets should be

> >

> > in the Kendra houses

> >

> >

> >

> > [ 3 ] I consider all horoscopes as nabalig up to

> >

> > the age of 12 years.

> >

> >

> >

> > [ 4 ] A horoscope adjudged as nabalig as per # 1

> >

> > above, will continue to be considered as nabalig

> >

> > up to the age of 36 years. In the Varsh Phal table

> >

> > given in the 1941 edition the house effective for

> >

> > nabalig horoscope is mentioned up to the age of 36 years.

> >

> > Some people argue that a horoscope should be

> >

> > considered as nabalig only up to the age of 21 years.

> >

> > In my opinion the age 21 years mentioned in the book

> >

> > [ 1940 ed page 19; line # 1 ] is in the context of the

> >

> > lines on the palm and not about the horoscope.

> >

> >

> >

> > A horoscope will not be considered as nabalig, in spite

> >

> > of fulfilling the criteria stated in # 1 above, if it fulfills

> >

> > either of the following conditions. :

> >

> >

> >

> > Baalig kundali / Mature horoscope

> >

> >

> >

> > [ a ] The sun in either 1st, 5th, or the 11th house.

> >

> > [ b ] The mercury in the 6th house.

> >

> > [ c ] After the year the sun gets to the Lagna in

> >

> > the varsh phal horoscope.

> >

> >

> >

> > In other words the horoscope will be baalig [ adult ]

> >

> >

> >

> > The planets, as and when occupy the Lagna in

> >

> > the Varsh Phal horoscope, after that those planets

> >

> > will be considered as balig [ mature/ adult ]

> >

> >

> >

> > The book gives a table as to the planets situated

> >

> > in which house will have a dominant role till the

> >

> > age of 12 years. For example the table says that

> >

> > in the first year it will be the planet/s situated in

> >

> > the 7th house will be dominant; second year it will

> >

> > be the planet/s situated in the 4th house and so on.

> >

> > In case there is no planet in these houses then the

> >

> > rasi lord of the house should be considered.

> >

> >

> >

> > The same cycle can be used till the age of 36 years

> >

> > in the case of a nabalig horoscope.

> >

> >

> >

> > There is another table in the book which explains

> >

> > as to which planet will be a dhoke ka grah [ planet

> >

> > of deceit ] in which year; this table is known as

> >

> > dhoke ka 12 sala chakra [ 12 year cycle of deceit

> >

> > planets ]. This table says that the first year it will

> >

> > be the Sun, the second year the moon; third year

> >

> > the Ketu and so on.

> >

> >

> >

> > Do not confuse this table with another table

> >

> > meant to identify the planet of deceit. This

> >

> > table is a 12 year cycle table where as the

> >

> > other one is not.

> >

> >

> >

> > In my experience I have found these two tables

> >

> > very helpful specially in dealing with the problems

> >

> > of the children below the age of 12 years.

> >

> >

> >

> > A native with a nabalig horoscope, even if he is

> >

> > past 36 years, should be advised that he should

> >

> > always consult some one he trusts before

> >

> > embarking upon any special project.

> >

> >

> >

> > God bless you

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhooshan Priya

> >

> >

> >

> > Next : House / Bhav / Khana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vijay ji,

 

[ 1a ] As and when the sun gets to the Lagna, from then on the

Kundali is to be considered as adult. Suppose there is an adolescent

kundali with the sun in the 8th house, then the kundali would be

considered as baalig after the 8th year. But as I have said in my

write up that I consider all kundalis as naabalig till the age of 12

years.

[ 1b ] As and when the planets get to the Lagna in the varsh phal

those planets are treated as having achieved adulthood. This is for

all planets and not for the only four you have mentioned.

 

[ 2 ] If a kundali is once adjudged as adolescent then I prefer

going by the Varsh Phal table given in the 1941 edition where till

the age of 36 the house which will dominate is to be taken into

account. For an adult horoscope the other column meant for baalig

horoscope should apply for all years to come.

 

[ 3 ] You have confused the other table with the one I have

mentioned. The table I have mentioned for 12 saala dhoke ka chakra

is on page 64 of Arun Sanhita of 1942. The sequence of the planets

for the 12 years is fixed.

The one you are confusing it with is the table to find out the dhoke

ka grah for any particular year.It is in this table that we have to

place the sun against the year when it reaches the lagna and then

complete the sequence for all the 12 houses. This table is a 12X10

format table for 120 years.

 

God bless you,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj

wrote:

>

> Respected Pt. Bhooshan Priyaji,

>

> For balig condition you explained as :

>

> " /[ c ] After the year the sun gets to the Lagna in the varsh phal

> horoscope.

>

> In other words the horoscope will be baalig [ adult ] The planets,

as

> and when occupy the Lagna in the Varsh Phal horoscope, after that

those

> planets will be considered as balig [mature/ adult] / "

>

> A]Here do you mean to say that any year when

> 1) Sun or

> 2) saturn, mercury, rahu, ketu (any one of them)

>

> comes to Lagna in varshphal than *that year* *onwards* horoscope

will

> turn baalig. ?

>

> Here i am also mentioning the table of Varshphal for more clear

> understanding :

>

> Position of planet in natal chart : Three 12-years cycle when that

> planet will come in Lagna\First house in Varshphal.

> House : 1st cycle : 2nd cycle : 3rd cycle.

> ----------

> 1st H : 1st year : 13th year : 25 year

> 2nd H : 2nd year: 14th year : 26 year

> 3rd H : 3rd year : 15th year : 27 year.

> 4th H : 4rd year : 16th year : 28 year.

> 5th H : 5th year : 17th year : 29 year.

> 6th H : 9th year : 18th year : 30 year.

> 7th H : 7th year : 19th year : 31 year.

> 8th H : 8th year : 20th year : 33 year.

> 9th H : 6th year : 21th year : 34 year.

> 10th H : 10th year : 22nd year : 32 year.

> 11th H : 11th year : 23rd year : 35 year.

> 12th H : 12th year : 24th year : 36 year.

> ------------

>

> B]Now the second question is that if conditions of Balig or

nabalig is

> not applicable in the horoscope, than what is will be called, a

normal

> horoscope where normal varshphal will apply *without having any

> dominance effect of house *as shown in varshphal table in line

number 1

> and 2 from page 364 to 377 in 1941 thishra hizza (shri yograj ji)?.

>

> C] where to start the " dhoke ka 12 sala chakra " from lagna

itself

> or from the house where sun is placed in horoscope taking as

first

> house. for example if in any chart sun is in 3rd house than for

first

> year sun will give dhoka (starting from lagna) or venus (starting

from

> sun, lagna is 11th house).

>

> Thanking you,

>

> With warm regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Pt. Bhoosan Priya ji,

 

Heartily thankful to you for the replies.

 

With Warm regards,

Vijay Goel

[Guest guest]

respected Priya JI,

 

Please inform as to the reference of "dhoke ka 12 saala chakra' in Lk 1952 edition.

 

As for finding our the 'dhoke ka grah', the method of finding the grah is given in the table in the chapter 'Yog Drishti Bahami Madad' .one can calculate it for any no. of years after preparing one from the position of Sun in the Janam Kundli.The examples of Sun in 12th house and 11th house r given.The placement sequence of all grahs is given after the Sun which is fixed.It is equally important to study the dhoke ka grah alongwith the varsha phal. The grah for that year can be easily found out from the table formed on the basis of janam kundli.

 

Please clarify further so that v can understand it.

 

With regards,

 

sincerely,

kiranjit

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiranjit Kumar ji,

 

The table you are talking about is a different table. That table is

used to identify the planet of deceit across 120 years and the table

is in the format of 12 X 10 columns. I will talk about that table

also when I will talk about how to identify a planet of deceit for a

particular year. I am going about writing these help-notes in a

sequence. When I come to that table I will talk about that also.

 

In the context of the adolescent horoscopes the table I have

referred is on page 62 of the 1942 urdu edition [ page 65 of Arun

Sanhita 42 ed ]. This table is a 12 X 3 column table. It talks about

12 saal dhoke ka grah. The line immediately after the table [line #

21] says ` naabalig halat mein 12 saal dhoke ka chakra ka khayal

zaroori rakhen'

 

I intentionally with hold the information about tables etc. so that,

those, who are learning the book, make some efforts to find out the

information for themselves. This way they will atleast be made to

study the book. I do not want my write ups to be used as a

substitute for the book. I intend these write ups as help-notes and

not as an abridged version of the book.

 

God bless you,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kiranjit kumar

<kapatjal wrote:

>

> respected Priya JI,

>  

> Please inform as to the reference of " dhoke ka 12 saala chakra' in

Lk 1952 edition.

>  

> As for finding our the 'dhoke ka grah', the method of finding  the

grah is given in the table in the chapter 'Yog Drishti Bahami

Madad' .one can calculate it for any no. of years after preparing

one from the position of Sun in the Janam Kundli.The examples of Sun

in 12th house and 11th house r given.The placement sequence of all

grahs is given after  the Sun which is fixed.It  is equally

important to study the dhoke ka grah alongwith the varsha phal. The

grah for that year can be easily found out from the table formed on

the basis of janam kundli.

>  

> Please clarify further so that v can understand it.

>  

> With regards,

>  

> sincerely,

> kiranjit

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pt. Bhooshan Priya,

 

" This way they will at least be made to study the book. I do not want

my write ups to be used as a substitute for the book. I intend these

write ups as help-notes and not as an abridged version of the book. "

 

 

Thank you! At least I can agree with you upon this humble statement of

yours. You are perfectly right! We should all keep reading Lal Kitab

all over again and again in order to try to grasp it subtle and

sophisticated details. This is the only way to learn Lal Kitab!

 

:-)

 

Finn Wandahl

[Guest guest]

thanks a lot respected priya ji.

 

regards,

kiranjit

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiranjit Kumar ji,

 

You are most welcome.

 

I will always be ready to answer your queries if I know about them.

In case I do not know the answer I will say I am not aware of the

answer.

 

God bless you,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kiranjit kumar

<kapatjal wrote:

>

> thanks a lot  respected priya ji.

>  

> regards,

> kiranjit

>