Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Rspected Varun ji, The following lines are slightly confusing. Could you please help me understand these lines: Arun Sanhita 1942ed page 297 mangal bad va surya akele mangal ko surya ka sambandha nek karta hai. Lekin mangal bad [ chahe alag jagah likha hai ki kin kin halation mein magal ko mangal bad lenge] ko surya ki sahayata ya mangal bad se surya ka sambandh bure hal aur nazdeeki rishtedaron ki mritu adi hogi I will be grateful, Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Respected Raheja ji, Let me first translate the lines you have quoted into English so that our friends who do not know Hindi can easily understand the context. The association of the sun turns mars malefic into a mars benefic only when mars alone is with the sun. But if the mars bad [as written else where that in what situations mars will be considered bad] gets help or is associated with the sun will result in deaths of close relatives. In the lines you have quoted two things have been said: [ a ] When Mars is alone either with the sun or is in association with the sun then only the Sun can turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. It means if the Mars bad is in the company of other planets than even the Sun can not turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. [ b ] In order to understand the second part of the statement we have to find out `what has been written else where defining the Mars bad.'. Now let me quote from the 1940 urdu ed ; page 175 note # 4 : Mangal ko sooraj, briahaspati, Chandra ki madad mil bhi gayee hove, lekin agar shani ya mangal ke dushman grahon budh , ketu ka saath ho jave to sab kuchha mila milaya mangal bad hoga Even though the mars might get the help of the sun. jupter, moon ; but if the mars is either with Saturn, or its enemies like mercury and ketu, in sum total the mars would still be a Mars bad. The exactly the same has been said in the 1942 Urdu ed on page 174 lines # 4-5 Therefore the second part of the statement means : That if the Mars bad is with either Saturn, mercury or ketu, then even the sun can not change its nature from malefic to benefic. Summarizing, the entire statement you have quoted means : The association or the help of the Sun can turn a mars malefic into a mars benefic so long as the mars is alone. But if the malefic mars is associated with either Saturn or its enemy planets like mercury and ketu, in that case even the Sun can not turn a malefic mars into a benefic. In this situation the malefic Mars could afflict deaths to the close relatives. For further details you can read pages 174-75 of the 1940 urdu ed of the Lal Kitab or page 175 of the 1942 urdu ed. Unfortunately the Arun sanhita version of the 1942 ed doesn't seem have this information. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "girish_raheja" <girish_raheja wrote:>> Rspected Varun ji,> > The following lines are slightly confusing. Could you please help me > understand these lines: Arun Sanhita 1942ed page 297> > mangal bad va surya akele mangal ko surya ka sambandha nek karta hai. > Lekin mangal bad [ chahe alag jagah likha hai ki kin kin halation mein > magal ko mangal bad lenge] ko surya ki sahayata ya mangal bad se surya > ka sambandh bure hal aur nazdeeki rishtedaron ki mritu adi hogi> > I will be grateful,> > Girish Raheja> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Respected Iqbal ji, In both the cases there are possibilities that the Mars might act malefic. If there are indications that the Mars is acting malefic then even the Sun can not help and can not turn the Mars into a benefic. In this case an upaya for Mars ashubh may have to be done. In case the Mars is adjudged as not acting malefic then the sun + mars + saturn combination should make him wealthy. And in the case of mercury + mars + sun, the significations of all these three planets will do well. Regards, Varun Trivedi , punjabilovebug wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > What about the conjunction of sun and mars with either saturn or mercury? > > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd > > Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:53:52 > > LK discussion group Re: Malefic Mars and the Sun > > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > Let me first translate the lines you have quoted > > into English so that our friends who do not know > > Hindi can easily understand the context. > > > > The association of the sun turns mars malefic > > into a mars benefic only when mars alone > > is with the sun. > > But if the mars bad [as written else where > > that in what situations mars will be considered bad] > > gets help or is associated with the sun will result > > in deaths of close relatives. > > > > In the lines you have quoted two things have been said: > > > > [ a ] When Mars is alone either with the sun or is > > in association with the sun then only the Sun can > > turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. It means if the > > Mars bad is in the company of other planets than > > even the Sun can not turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. > > > > [ b ] In order to understand the second part of the > > statement we have to find out `what has been written > > else where defining the Mars bad.'. > > > > Now let me quote from the 1940 urdu ed ; > > page 175 note # 4 : > > > > Mangal ko sooraj, briahaspati, Chandra ki madad > > mil bhi gayee hove, lekin agar shani ya mangal ke > > dushman grahon budh , ketu ka saath ho jave to > > sab kuchha mila milaya mangal bad hoga > > > > Even though the mars might get the help of the sun. > > jupter, moon ; but if the mars is either with Saturn, > > or its enemies like mercury and ketu, in sum total > > the mars would still be a Mars bad. > > > > The exactly the same has been said in the 1942 > > Urdu ed on page 174 lines # 4-5 > > > > Therefore the second part of the statement means : > > > > That if the Mars bad is with either Saturn, mercury > > or ketu, then even the sun can not change its nature > > from malefic to benefic. > > > > Summarizing, the entire statement you have > > quoted means : > > > > The association or the help of the Sun can turn a > > mars malefic into a mars benefic so long as the > > mars is alone. But if the malefic mars is associated > > with either Saturn or its enemy planets like mercury > > and ketu, in that case even the Sun can not turn a > > malefic mars into a benefic. In this situation the > > malefic Mars could afflict deaths to the close relatives. > > > > For further details you can read pages 174-75 of > > the 1940 urdu ed of the Lal Kitab > > or > > page 175 of the 1942 urdu ed. > > > > Unfortunately the Arun sanhita version of the 1942 ed doesn't seem to have this information. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Rspected Varun ji, > > > > The following lines are slightly confusing. Could you please help me > > understand these lines: Arun Sanhita 1942ed page 297 > > > > mangal bad va surya akele mangal ko surya ka sambandha nek karta hai. > > Lekin mangal bad [ chahe alag jagah likha hai ki kin kin halation mein > > magal ko mangal bad lenge] ko surya ki sahayata ya mangal bad se surya > > ka sambandh bure hal aur nazdeeki rishtedaron ki mritu adi hogi > > > > I will be grateful, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Respected Varun ji, Thank you so much for explaining this concept. Sincerely, Girish Raheja , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > Let me first translate the lines you have quoted > > into English so that our friends who do not know > > Hindi can easily understand the context. > > > > The association of the sun turns mars malefic > > into a mars benefic only when mars alone > > is with the sun. > > But if the mars bad [as written else where > > that in what situations mars will be considered bad] > > gets help or is associated with the sun will result > > in deaths of close relatives. > > > > In the lines you have quoted two things have been said: > > > > [ a ] When Mars is alone either with the sun or is > > in association with the sun then only the Sun can > > turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. It means if the > > Mars bad is in the company of other planets than > > even the Sun can not turn a malefic Mars into a benefic. > > > > [ b ] In order to understand the second part of the > > statement we have to find out `what has been written > > else where defining the Mars bad.'. > > > > Now let me quote from the 1940 urdu ed ; > > page 175 note # 4 : > > > > Mangal ko sooraj, briahaspati, Chandra ki madad > > mil bhi gayee hove, lekin agar shani ya mangal ke > > dushman grahon budh , ketu ka saath ho jave to > > sab kuchha mila milaya mangal bad hoga > > > > Even though the mars might get the help of the sun. > > jupter, moon ; but if the mars is either with Saturn, > > or its enemies like mercury and ketu, in sum total > > the mars would still be a Mars bad. > > > > The exactly the same has been said in the 1942 > > Urdu ed on page 174 lines # 4-5 > > > > Therefore the second part of the statement means : > > > > That if the Mars bad is with either Saturn, mercury > > or ketu, then even the sun can not change its nature > > from malefic to benefic. > > > > Summarizing, the entire statement you have > > quoted means : > > > > The association or the help of the Sun can turn a > > mars malefic into a mars benefic so long as the > > mars is alone. But if the malefic mars is associated > > with either Saturn or its enemy planets like mercury > > and ketu, in that case even the Sun can not turn a > > malefic mars into a benefic. In this situation the > > malefic Mars could afflict deaths to the close relatives. > > > > For further details you can read pages 174-75 of > > the 1940 urdu ed of the Lal Kitab > > or > > page 175 of the 1942 urdu ed. > > > > Unfortunately the Arun sanhita version of the 1942 ed doesn't seem to have this information. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Rspected Varun ji, > > > > The following lines are slightly confusing. Could you please help me > > understand these lines: Arun Sanhita 1942ed page 297 > > > > mangal bad va surya akele mangal ko surya ka sambandha nek karta hai. > > Lekin mangal bad [ chahe alag jagah likha hai ki kin kin halation mein > > magal ko mangal bad lenge] ko surya ki sahayata ya mangal bad se surya > > ka sambandh bure hal aur nazdeeki rishtedaron ki mritu adi hogi > > > > I will be grateful, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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