Devising the form of an upaya / Mr. Yograj Prabhakar

June 23, 2008

Dear Gill SahibWe have already discussed that three planets Mercury, Rahu and Ketu in 10th house behaves as per the nature of Saturn. Since Zamin of 10 th house belongs to Saturn, so Pundit ji advised the remedy to improve the ground. You have further asked about what should be the remedy for Shani in this situation. In my humble opinion, the upaye should be according to the position of Saturn in the chart. Apart from this Pundit ji has indirectly advised the greatest remedy in the following lines:"Zubaan ka chaska, Sharab-kabaab ka manda Maza Bayis-e-tabahi hoga." (LK-1941, Page 149, line no. 13-14)RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Sat, 6/21/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005 wrote:gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005LK discussion group Devising the form of an upaya / Mr. Yograj Prabhakar Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 4:00 PM

Dear Prabhakar ji,

Mercury in the 10th house is said to be of rasi phal and still it is

said that shanishchar ka upaya madadgar hoga.

Therefore sir, if mercury itself is of rasiphal and remediable then

why an upaya of mercury can not be done? Where is the necessity to

do the upaya of shanishchar?

And what will be the upaya of shanishchar in this case?

Sincerely,

HS Gill

, Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Finn Sahib

>

> You have put a very interesting situation. Although I am not very

good in solving such hypothetical puzzles. but I would like to add

what I understand with another hypothetical situation. In the

situation.

>

> We first have to see what is Rahu's own position/power in chart.

Whether Rahu is really capable of creating such condition? Because

Rahu wiil be considered as ZERO in power if Mars is posited in 1st

or 12th house at the same time. I may be wrong but I dont think that

a powerless/weak planet can be a deciding factor. so in my humble

opinion Shani will remain the key factor.

>

> Respectfully

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:

> Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>

> LK discussion group Re:Devising the form of an upaya/Mr.

Yograj Prabhakar

>

> Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:23 PM

>

> Dear Mr. Yograj Prabhakar,

>

> I understand that Budh, Rahu or Ketu in the 10th house becomes a

>

> Shakki Grah (doubtful planet), which is why the final results,

benefic

>

> or malefic, are to be decided by Shani.

>

> However, if we extend the example of Rahu in the 10th

hypothetically,

>

> only this time if we imagine Rahu in the 10th together with an

>

> enemical planet, say Venus. Then as I understand it would become an

>

> Andhey chart, meaning a blind chart. Would Saturn then still decide

>

> the outcome?

>

> Or would such a chart always be blind even in spite of Saturn being

>

> very benefic, say, for example if Saturn were in the 7th where it

>

> would be double beneficial by being Oocha (exalted) and ahead of

Ketu

>

> at the same time? Would you consider such a chart as blind and

subject

>

> to blind chart remedy in spite of this benefic Saturn in 7th house?

>

> :-)

>

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , Yograj Prabhakar

>

> <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:

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> >

>

> > Respected Umesh ji and Varun bhai

>

> >

>

> > We are ignoring one very vital point as far as Rahu in khana no.

10

>

> is concerned. Rahu, Ketu and Budh are considered Shaqqi in this

house

>

> and their behavior/results depends upon the nature of Saturn in

the chart.

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully

>

> > Yograj Prabhakar

>

> >

>

June 23, 2008

Adding on to what res.Yograj ji has said

Respected Gill Saheb

In your note to respected Yograj ji you have asked :

Mercury in the 10th house is said to be of rasi phal

and still it is said that shanishchar ka upaya

madadgar hoga.Therefore sir, if mercury itself is of

rasiphal and remediable then why an upaya of

mercury can not be done? Where is the necessity todo the upaya of shanishchar?

And what will be the upaya of shanishchar in this case?

In brief you have asked three questions:

[ a ] When mercury placed in the 10th house is

designated as of rasi phal [ remediable ] then why

the necessity of Saturn upaya?

[ b ] If the upaya for Saturn is to be done then what

will be the form of this upaya?

[ c ] If the mercury is remediable then why not the

upaya of mercury itself?

The first thing to be noted is that when the book

suggests shani ka upaya madadgar hoga it does

not deny the necessity of upaya for mercury.

I will come to this later.

Now why an upaya of Saturn would be necessary:

The upaya for mercury will not help even if it is

of rasiphal or remediable because:

For Mercury in the 10th house the book says:

Shani bina na kuchh bhi milega,

agar kuchh mila sakhta dhoka milega

One would not get anything without Saturn,

if at all it will be a mirage.

[ 1942 urdu ed : page 198, line # 13 ]

Therefore even though mercury is considered well

placed in the 10th house, but if the Saturn is manda

[ malefic ], for whatever reason, then the upaya of

Saturn will have to be done. Unless the upaya of

Saturn is done the effects of the mercury will not

be felt, mercury will continue to be dhoka, a mirage.

And now what will be the form of upaya :

The nature of the Saturn will have to be altered

where ever it is placed. The form of upaya will depend

on house the Saturn is placed. For example if the

Saturn is placed in the 5th house then the nature of

Saturn will have to be got changed by offering

almonds at a temple for 5 days, bring back half of

them and establishing them at home.

There could be another scenario too :

Saturn is already well placed and not manda [ malefic ],

still the significations of mercury placed in the 10th

are suffering, in that case the upaya of mercury will

have to be done. It is in this context the remediable

nature of mercury in the 10th house will come handy.

This is why I said in the beginning that the statement

does not deny a possibility of upaya of mercury.

In this situation the best upaya of mercury will be to

gift to bua ji [ father's sister ] clothes along with glass

bangles [ if possible of parrot green colour ] ;

and as respected Yograj ji has already said one should

also make sure that he does not turn his Saturn malefic

through his own actions.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> Dear Gill Sahib> > We have already discussed that three planets Mercury, Rahu and Ketu in 10th house behaves as per the nature of Saturn. Since Zamin of 10 th house belongs to Saturn, so Pundit ji advised the remedy to improve the ground.> > You have further asked about what should be the remedy for Shani in this situation. In my humble opinion, the upaye should be according to the position of Saturn in the chart. Apart from this Pundit ji has indirectly advised the greatest remedy in the following lines:> > "Zubaan ka chaska, Sharab-kabaab ka manda Maza Bayis-e-tabahi hoga." (LK-1941, Page 149, line no. 13-14)> > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, gill_hs2005 gill_hs2005 wrote:> gill_hs2005 gill_hs2005 LK discussion group Devising the form of an upaya / Mr. Yograj Prabhakar> > Saturday, June 21, 2008, 4:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabhakar ji,> > > > Mercury in the 10th house is said to be of rasi phal and still it is> > said that shanishchar ka upaya madadgar hoga.> > Therefore sir, if mercury itself is of rasiphal and remediable then> > why an upaya of mercury can not be done? Where is the necessity to> > do the upaya of shanishchar?> > And what will be the upaya of shanishchar in this case?> > > > Sincerely,> > > > HS Gill> > > > , Yograj Prabhakar> > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Finn Sahib> > >> > > You have put a very interesting situation. Although I am not very> > good in solving such hypothetical puzzles. but I would like to add> > what I understand with another hypothetical situation. In the> > situation.> > >> > > We first have to see what is Rahu's own position/power in chart.> > Whether Rahu is really capable of creating such condition? Because> > Rahu wiil be considered as ZERO in power if Mars is posited in 1st> > or 12th house at the same time. I may be wrong but I dont think that> > a powerless/weak planet can be a deciding factor. so in my humble> > opinion Shani will remain the key factor.> > >> > > Respectfully> > > Yograj Prabhakar> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re:Devising the form of an upaya/Mr.> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:23 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr. Yograj Prabhakar,> > >> > >> > >> > > I understand that Budh, Rahu or Ketu in the 10th house becomes a> > >> > > Shakki Grah (doubtful planet), which is why the final results,> > benefic> > >> > > or malefic, are to be decided by Shani.> > >> > >> > >> > > However, if we extend the example of Rahu in the 10th> > hypothetically,> > >> > > only this time if we imagine Rahu in the 10th together with an> > >> > > enemical planet, say Venus. Then as I understand it would become an> > >> > > Andhey chart, meaning a blind chart. Would Saturn then still decide> > >> > > the outcome?> > >> > >> > >> > > Or would such a chart always be blind even in spite of Saturn being> > >> > > very benefic, say, for example if Saturn were in the 7th where it> > >> > > would be double beneficial by being Oocha (exalted) and ahead of> > Ketu> > >> > > at the same time? Would you consider such a chart as blind and> > subject> > >> > > to blind chart remedy in spite of this benefic Saturn in 7th house?> > >> > >> > >> > > :-)> > >> > >> > >> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > , Yograj Prabhakar> > >> > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Respected Umesh ji and Varun bhai> > >> > > >> > >> > > > We are ignoring one very vital point as far as Rahu in khana no.> > 10> > >> > > is concerned. Rahu, Ketu and Budh are considered Shaqqi in this> > house> > >> > > and their behavior/results depends upon the nature of Saturn in> > the chart.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Respectfully> > >> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > >> > > >> > >>