Re:Devising the form of an upaya/Mr. Yograj Prabhakar

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Yograj Prabhakar,

 

I understand that Budh, Rahu or Ketu in the 10th house becomes a

Shakki Grah (doubtful planet), which is why the final results, benefic

or malefic, are to be decided by Shani.

 

However, if we extend the example of Rahu in the 10th hypothetically,

only this time if we imagine Rahu in the 10th together with an

enemical planet, say Venus. Then as I understand it would become an

Andhey chart, meaning a blind chart. Would Saturn then still decide

the outcome?

 

Or would such a chart always be blind even in spite of Saturn being

very benefic, say, for example if Saturn were in the 7th where it

would be double beneficial by being Oocha (exalted) and ahead of Ketu

at the same time? Would you consider such a chart as blind and subject

to blind chart remedy in spite of this benefic Saturn in 7th house?

 

:-)

 

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar wrote:

>

> Respected Umesh ji and Varun bhai

>

> We are ignoring one very vital point as far as Rahu in khana no. 10

is concerned. Rahu, Ketu and Budh are considered Shaqqi in this house

and their behavior/results depends upon the nature of Saturn in the chart.

>

> Respectfully

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Yograj ji, and Finn sahib,

 

My two cents :

 

The nature of Rahu will depend on how the Saturn is,

only in matters of Rahu's significations and its

impact on the 10th house viz father, money,

stability of profession.

 

But when a planet inimical to Rahu joins it then

the book say:

 

gar teva koi andha hove, hathi andha khud hota ho

 

If the horoscope is blind, then Rahu itself will get

blinded so much so that it will get scared of others

and the elephant will start routing its own army.

In this situation the nature of Rahu will not depend

on the nature of Saturn.

 

Therefore I assume that the relationship of Rahu and

the Saturn is significant only for evaluating the impact

of Rahu on its own significations for the house it is

posited in. In other matters like association, aspects,

etc it is an independent agent and behaves according to

the dictates of the placements of other planets.

 

Just to explain this further, if a Saturn is malefic

then the results of the Rahu significations could be

adverse or not good and Rahu could act belligerent.

But the same Rahu, in spite of Saturn being malefic,

can not act belligerent if under the aspect of the Mars.

 

Respect and regards to both the scholars,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> Dear Finn Sahib> > You have put a very interesting situation. Although I am not very good in solving such hypothetical puzzles. but I would like to add what I understand with another hypothetical situation. In the situation. > > We first have to see what is Rahu's own position/power in chart. Whether Rahu is really capable of creating such condition? Because Rahu wiil be considered as ZERO in power if Mars is posited in 1st or 12th house at the same time. I may be wrong but I dont think that a powerless/weak planet can be a deciding factor. so in my humble opinion Shani will remain the key factor.> > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl wrote:> Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl LK discussion group Re:Devising the form of an upaya/Mr. Yograj Prabhakar> > Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Yograj Prabhakar,> > > > I understand that Budh, Rahu or Ketu in the 10th house becomes a> > Shakki Grah (doubtful planet), which is why the final results, benefic> > or malefic, are to be decided by Shani.> > > > However, if we extend the example of Rahu in the 10th hypothetically,> > only this time if we imagine Rahu in the 10th together with an> > enemical planet, say Venus. Then as I understand it would become an> > Andhey chart, meaning a blind chart. Would Saturn then still decide> > the outcome?> > > > Or would such a chart always be blind even in spite of Saturn being> > very benefic, say, for example if Saturn were in the 7th where it> > would be double beneficial by being Oocha (exalted) and ahead of Ketu> > at the same time? Would you consider such a chart as blind and subject> > to blind chart remedy in spite of this benefic Saturn in 7th house?> > > > :-)> > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar> > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Umesh ji and Varun bhai> > > > > > We are ignoring one very vital point as far as Rahu in khana no. 10> > is concerned. Rahu, Ketu and Budh are considered Shaqqi in this house> > and their behavior/results depends upon the nature of Saturn in the chart.> > > > > > Respectfully> > > Yograj Prabhakar> > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Yograj Prabhakar & Varun Trivedi,

 

Thank you for these two very illuminating answers covering this

hypothetical situation from different angles.

 

:-)

 

Finn Wandahl

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Respected Yograj ji, and Finn sahib,

>

>

>

> My two cents :

>

>

>

> The nature of Rahu will depend on how the Saturn is,

>

> only in matters of Rahu's significations and its

>

> impact on the 10th house viz father, money,

>

> stability of profession.

>

>

>

> But when a planet inimical to Rahu joins it then

>

> the book say:

>

>

>

> gar teva koi andha hove, hathi andha khud hota ho

>

>

>

> If the horoscope is blind, then Rahu itself will get

>

> blinded so much so that it will get scared of others

>

> and the elephant will start routing its own army.

>

> In this situation the nature of Rahu will not depend

>

> on the nature of Saturn.

>

>

>

> Therefore I assume that the relationship of Rahu and

>

> the Saturn is significant only for evaluating the impact

>

> of Rahu on its own significations for the house it is

>

> posited in. In other matters like association, aspects,

>

> etc it is an independent agent and behaves according to

>

> the dictates of the placements of other planets.

>

>

>

> Just to explain this further, if a Saturn is malefic

>

> then the results of the Rahu significations could be

>

> adverse or not good and Rahu could act belligerent.

>

> But the same Rahu, in spite of Saturn being malefic,

>

> can not act belligerent if under the aspect of the Mars.

>

>

>

> Respect and regards to both the scholars,

>

>

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, Yograj Prabhakar

> <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Finn Sahib

> >

> > You have put a very interesting situation. Although I am not very good

> in solving such hypothetical puzzles. but I would like to add what I

> understand with another hypothetical situation. In the situation.

> >

> > We first have to see what is Rahu's own position/power in chart.

> Whether Rahu is really capable of creating such condition? Because Rahu

> wiil be considered as ZERO in power if Mars is posited in 1st or 12th

> house at the same time. I may be wrong but I dont think that a

> powerless/weak planet can be a deciding factor. so in my humble opinion

> Shani will remain the key factor.

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@ wrote:

> > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@

> > LK discussion group Re:Devising the form of an upaya/Mr.

> Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> > Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:23 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Yograj Prabhakar,

> >

> >

> >

> > I understand that Budh, Rahu or Ketu in the 10th house becomes a

> >

> > Shakki Grah (doubtful planet), which is why the final results, benefic

> >

> > or malefic, are to be decided by Shani.

> >

> >

> >

> > However, if we extend the example of Rahu in the 10th hypothetically,

> >

> > only this time if we imagine Rahu in the 10th together with an

> >

> > enemical planet, say Venus. Then as I understand it would become an

> >

> > Andhey chart, meaning a blind chart. Would Saturn then still decide

> >

> > the outcome?

> >

> >

> >

> > Or would such a chart always be blind even in spite of Saturn being

> >

> > very benefic, say, for example if Saturn were in the 7th where it

> >

> > would be double beneficial by being Oocha (exalted) and ahead of Ketu

> >

> > at the same time? Would you consider such a chart as blind and subject

> >

> > to blind chart remedy in spite of this benefic Saturn in 7th house?

> >

> >

> >

> > :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> >

> > , Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Respected Umesh ji and Varun bhai

> >

> > >

> >

> > > We are ignoring one very vital point as far as Rahu in khana no. 10

> >

> > is concerned. Rahu, Ketu and Budh are considered Shaqqi in this house

> >

> > and their behavior/results depends upon the nature of Saturn in the

> chart.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Respectfully

> >

> > > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> > >

> >

>