ANS:: Devising the form of an upaya

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Respected Varun ji,If Moon in 4th and Rahu in 10th the result is " Sir Fat Jaye, Rahu ka bura asar Budh ( Budh ki Aashiayan, Karobaar ya Rishtedar mutlka Budh ) par hoga." page no 388 edi.1952, chandrma Khana no. 4, Mandi halat Term no. 3.Kyonki Rahu jab jab Chandrma se Drishat hoga ya mushtrka hoga vah Budh ko khrab karega. Gustakhi ki Kashma chahta hoon. Regards Umesh Sharma

 

 

 

 

 

, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Wandahl saheb,> > Many thanks for your response. It is a> pleasure reading your views.> > You have asked ;> > In the 1952 edition under Rahu in the> 10th it is mentioned that Upay> of Mars would be beneficial if there> is also Moon in the 4th house. Do you> know the reason for this? I think it> is difficult to grasp.> > As I understand basically it means that> in case moon is in the 4th while the> Rahu is in the 10th then it would result in:> > Foggy and unrealistic thoughts, brain> splitting agony, weak eyes, diminished> wealth.> > If you notice the areas most> affected are the karaks of the moon and> the reason being that Rahu will have an> aspect on the moon.> > If that happens then the Mars upaya> should be done> > with respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> finn.wandahl@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi,> >> > Thank you for this very inspirating article on Upaya, which I like to> > say a few things about. However, I have a rather liberal approach to> > Upaya as I consider the Upayas mentioned in Lal Kitab to be merely> > suggestions and guidelines meant to stimulate the intuition, empathy> > and discriminative power of the astrologer to make him create his own> > remedies depending upon the circumstances, time and place of each> > individual client.> >> > You have given Saturn in the 7th house as an example. But normally I> > would perhaps not be much concerned about that. After all it is Ucha> > (exalted) and even if the 1st house was empty thus making this Saturn> > sleeping or dormant it would not cause too much alarm except perhaps> > if Ketu was ahead of Saturn thereby turning it malefic. In that case I> > might even consider Ketu the problem, since Ketu is what made this> > Saturn Malefic.> >> > Then you say something very interesting about Rahu in kendras where> > the planet that gets exalted in the house occupied by Rahu should be> > considered for Upay. However, regarding Rahu in the first, it is> > alreading said in Lal Kitab that the Sun would be eclipsed, not the> > Sun itself but the house occupied by the Sun.> >> > In annual charts, however, I have often had the experience, that it is> > really the Sun itself that gets eclipsed and destroyed when Rahu is in> > the first rather than the house occupied by the Sun. Rahu coming to> > the 1st house can really destroy the rank and position of a person.> >> > However, the problem with Rahu in the 1st in the context of Upay is> > that the Sun is both significator of the first house and also exalted> > there at the same time, and it make little difference if we involve it> > in Upay for one reason or the other as long as it is the same planet.> >> > In the 1952 edition under Rahu in the 10th it is mentioned that Upay> > of Mars would be beneficial if there is also Moon in the 4th house. Do> > you know the reason for this? I think it is difficult to grasp.> >> > Then if Rahu was in the 7th house, Saturn would hardly be my first> > choice for remedy even though it is exalted there. I would no doubt> > consider Venus first and perhaps also Mercury if daughters or sisters> > were involved.> >> > Rahu in the 4th by itself should not be a problem as it has takes this> > oath not to cause evil when alone or with the Moon in 4th house. I> > don't know if remedy of Jupiter could be used in case of Rahu being> > malefic in the 4th. I think Moon or perhaps Saturn would be my first> > choice in such a case.> >> > Best regards,> > Finn Wandahl> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected members,> > >> > >> > >> > > Devising the form of upaya:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed page 620 last lines :> > >> > >> > >> > > Saturn in the 7th house> > >> > >> > >> > > Khand se bharkar bansari bahar veerane mein> > >> > > dabana mubarik, basharte ki Shanishchar soya> > >> > > na ho; agar soya ho to shahad ke bartan ka> > >> > > upaya madadgar hoga> > >> > >> > >> > > At the first reading it would appear that if the> > >> > > Saturn is not dormant [ soya hua] then bury in> > >> > > a barren place a flute filled with desi sugar [ khand ] ;> > >> > > if the Saturn is dormant then bury a pot filled with honey.> > >> > >> > >> > > But it is not so. That is not the correct understanding> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > So much so a well known Lal Kitab scholar> > >> > > made a slip when he wrote in his book for Saturn in 7th:> > >> > > kisi bartan ko shahad se bharkar bahar> > >> > > dabane ka upaya sahayak hoga> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The correct upaya is to establish at home in> > >> > > the south west corner a pot filled with honey.> > >> > > Thus the correct upaya is establishing and not burying.> > >> > > This has already been discussed here in the group.> > >> > > Those who wish to read the logic behind establishing> > >> > > can go to the archives and read.> > >> > >> > >> > > I began by giving this example to show how> > >> > > difficult it is to devise an upaya and more so to> > >> > > decide the form of upaya> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > In most cases, the Lal Kitab does not> > >> > > explain the form of upaya to be done. It just> > >> > > suggests that the upaya for such-n-such planet> > >> > > be done e.g. mangal ka upaya madadgar hoga.> > >> > > This statement by itself is not very helpful. It is> > >> > > the Lalkitabist who has to decide the form of this> > >> > > mangal ka upaya. He has to decide whether the> > >> > > karaks of mangal are to be immersed in flowing> > >> > > water, or gifted at a temple or buried and so on.> > >> > > The upaya devised has to be correct and effective.> > >> > > This needs a very good understanding of the> > >> > > system and a very wide experience.> > >> > >> > >> > > Let me explain this with an example :> > >> > >> > >> > > For Rahu placed in the Kendra houses, it is advised> > >> > > that the upaya should be done of the planet which> > >> > > gets exalted in that house.> > >> > >> > >> > > Therefore, if the Rahu is placed in the 1st house> > >> > > and has been identified as malefic then surya ka> > >> > > upaya madadgar hoga. Now what should be the> > >> > > form of this surya ka upaya. Should we immerse> > >> > > the karaks of the Sun in flowing water, or should> > >> > > we bury the karaks of the sun, or should we offer> > >> > > the karaks of the sun at a temple, or any other> > >> > > form of upaya to be devised.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thankfully in this case it has been indicated that> > >> > > the karaks of the Sun should be gifted at a temple.> > >> > > This is done to strengthen the Sun so that he> > >> > > could withstand the eclipsing ability of Rahu.> > >> > >> > >> > > But for the same Rahu in the 10th house the book says:> > >> > >> > >> > > khali mandir se rahu sota, tez swabhav manda ho> > >> > > mitra grah par keechad deta, upaya mangal ka uttam ho> > >> > >> > >> > > Now in this case no indication has been given as to> > >> > > what will be the form of mangal ka upaya, like the> > >> > > in the case of Rahu in the 1st house where gifting the> > >> > > karaks of Sun has been indicated. Will gifting the karaks> > >> > > of mangal at any temple be a correct upaya?> > >> > >> > >> > > If not, then what should be the form of the upaya ?> > >> > >> > >> > > A rahu placed in the 10th can not do any damage to> > >> > > Saturn but it will definitely harm the significations> > >> > > of the 10th house, be it a job or name or fame. Therefore,> > >> > > if the rahu is adjudged as malefic, then an upaya> > >> > > will become necessary. So what would be the form> > >> > > of the upaya. We know that mangal will help, but in> > >> > > what form? It is the Lalkitabist who has to decide the> > >> > > form of the upaya.> > >> > >> > >> > > Since the book says:> > >> > >> > >> > > Rahu ka manda asar teve wale par nahi hoga :> > >> > > jab mangal nek ho> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > In this case the Rahu has to be brought under control> > >> > > such that it is not able to damage the significations of> > >> > > the 10th house. Since Mangal shubh alone can control> > >> > > Rahu therefore the karak of mangal shubh has to be> > >> > > established at home, keep at home a little honey> > >> > > in a silver dibbi towards the west. This upaya will> > >> > > keep the belligerent Rahu under control.> > >> > >> > >> > > Now you know the difference. In one case it is gifting> > >> > > the karaks which would be an effective upaya where as> > >> > > in the next case it is establishing a karak would be an> > >> > > effective upaya.> > >> > >> > >> > > Therefore devising upaya is a science which a> > >> > > Lalkitabist has to learn. It comes with time and> > >> > > experience. That is why upaya suggested through> > >> > > ready reckoners do not work.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> >>