Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Respected members, Moon in the 11th house : Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. Quoting the book, Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa budh. [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke kisi bhi rishtedar ki [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya ya karobar mutallaqa ketu [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, is an inference from what is mentioned: on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, ya manda ho raha ho. So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek asar ] Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon in the 11th house. Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely affect the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it still further. Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered as: no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 urdu ed ] hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, 1952 urdu ed ] A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its enemies. Therefore any action or business associated with those five planets done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon into a direct confrontation with them. Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy prey to his enemies and succumbs. Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid doing the above things on those days and times. Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th house. Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. We should remember that the 11th house is a house of aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed there should always be avoided. These are strictly our views, Regards, Varun Trivedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Respected Varun Ji, Sir, you have mentioned what are the effects if someone has moon in 11th house, but you did not mention, if someone has this moon in his horoscope then what that person need to do, upaya. If you please suggest remedies of this moon that help a lot to others. One other thing I would like to know is there any condition in the horoscope with this malefic effect of moon reduced. Please clear doubt. Thanks and Regards. , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected members, > > Moon in the 11th house : > > > > Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and > > time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. > > > > Quoting the book, > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 > > > > > > panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: > > > > [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, > > ya karobar mutallaqa budh. > > [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke > > kisi bhi rishtedar ki > > [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki > > ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. > > [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya > > ya karobar mutallaqa ketu > > [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , > > ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati > > bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] > > > > If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those > > which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, > > venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. > > > > These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : > > > > ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda > > ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied > > > > The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. > > > > The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, > > is an inference from what is mentioned: > > > > > > on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: > > > > Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana > > no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra > > par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, > > ya manda ho raha ho. > > > > So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective > > of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek asar ] > > > > Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon > > in the 11th house. > > > > Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. > > Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely affect > > the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further > > Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position > > of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it still > further. > > Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered as: > > > > no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 urdu ed > ] > > > > hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, 1952 urdu > ed ] > > > > A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no > > consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed > > in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its enemies. > > Therefore any action or business associated with those five planets > > done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon > > into a direct confrontation with them. > > Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing > > [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further > > handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, > > in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy > > prey to his enemies and succumbs. > > > > Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any > > confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, > > venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid > > doing the above things on those days and times. > > > > Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not > > imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the > > 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. > > > > The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not > > as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th house. > > Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon > > in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any > > onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. > > > > We should remember that the 11th house is a house of > > aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any > > thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed > > there should always be avoided. > > > > These are strictly our views, > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Respected Kapoor saheb, In this group we discuss the concepts and the principles of the Lal Kitab. We do not suggest upaya in this group.You may have to post your request in other Lal Kitab groups. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " kapoorpardeep " <kapoorpardeep wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, > > Sir, you have mentioned what are the effects if someone has moon in > 11th house, but you did not mention, if someone has this moon in his > horoscope then what that person need to do, upaya. If you please > suggest remedies of this moon that help a lot to others. One other > thing I would like to know is there any condition in the horoscope > with this malefic effect of moon reduced. Please clear doubt. > > Thanks and Regards. > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Moon in the 11th house : > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and > > > > time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > Quoting the book, > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 > > > > > > > > > > > > panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: > > > > > > > > [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa budh. > > > > [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke > > > > kisi bhi rishtedar ki > > > > [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki > > > > ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. > > > > [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa ketu > > > > [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , > > > > ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati > > > > bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] > > > > > > > > If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those > > > > which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, > > > > venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. > > > > > > > > These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : > > > > > > > > ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda > > > > ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied > > > > > > > > The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. > > > > > > > > The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, > > > > is an inference from what is mentioned: > > > > > > > > > > > > on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: > > > > > > > > Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana > > > > no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra > > > > par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, > > > > ya manda ho raha ho. > > > > > > > > So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective > > > > of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek asar ] > > > > > > > > Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon > > > > in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. > > > > Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely affect > > > > the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further > > > > Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position > > > > of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it still > > further. > > > > Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered as: > > > > > > > > no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 > urdu ed > > ] > > > > > > > > hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, 1952 > urdu > > ed ] > > > > > > > > A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no > > > > consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed > > > > in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its > enemies. > > > > Therefore any action or business associated with those five planets > > > > done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon > > > > into a direct confrontation with them. > > > > Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing > > > > [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further > > > > handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, > > > > in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy > > > > prey to his enemies and succumbs. > > > > > > > > Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any > > > > confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, > > > > venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid > > > > doing the above things on those days and times. > > > > > > > > Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not > > > > imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the > > > > 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. > > > > > > > > The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not > > > > as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th house. > > > > Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon > > > > in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any > > > > onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. > > > > > > > > We should remember that the 11th house is a house of > > > > aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any > > > > thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed > > > > there should always be avoided. > > > > > > > > These are strictly our views, > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Varun ji, I had an opportunity to discuss these restrictions with Pt. Krishna Ashant ji. He is of the opinion that these restrictions should as well be followed when the moon is in the 10th house, more as a precaution if nothing else. I would like to hear your views on that. Pt. Krishna Ashant ji does not use a computer himself but his son does. Ashant ji keeps himself well informed about what is being discussed in this group through his son. Just thought of sharing this information with you. Sincerely, Girish Raheja , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected members, > > Moon in the 11th house : > > > > Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and > > time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. > > > > Quoting the book, > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 > > > > > > panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: > > > > [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, > > ya karobar mutallaqa budh. > > [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke > > kisi bhi rishtedar ki > > [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki > > ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. > > [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya > > ya karobar mutallaqa ketu > > [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , > > ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati > > bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] > > > > If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those > > which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, > > venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. > > > > These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : > > > > ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda > > ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied > > > > The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. > > > > The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, > > is an inference from what is mentioned: > > > > > > on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: > > > > Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana > > no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra > > par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, > > ya manda ho raha ho. > > > > So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective > > of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek asar ] > > > > Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon > > in the 11th house. > > > > Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. > > Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely affect > > the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further > > Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position > > of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it still > further. > > Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered as: > > > > no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 urdu ed > ] > > > > hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, 1952 urdu > ed ] > > > > A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no > > consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed > > in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its enemies. > > Therefore any action or business associated with those five planets > > done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon > > into a direct confrontation with them. > > Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing > > [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further > > handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, > > in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy > > prey to his enemies and succumbs. > > > > Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any > > confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, > > venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid > > doing the above things on those days and times. > > > > Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not > > imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the > > 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. > > > > The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not > > as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th house. > > Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon > > in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any > > onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. > > > > We should remember that the 11th house is a house of > > aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any > > thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed > > there should always be avoided. > > > > These are strictly our views, > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Respected Raheja ji, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is a living legend as far as the Lal Kitab is concerned. It is through his books, people like us got interested in the Lal Kitab. One great thing about him is that he is equally well versed in Vedic astrology. Next time when you meet him, convey our most humble regards to him. It is a matter of great honour that a person of Pt Krishna Ashant ji's stature takes interest in what is being discussed in this group. It appears we have come of age. Now coming to our views about the moon in the 10th and the restrictions; yes, one should follow them, may be as a precaution, not only for the moon in the 10th house but when the moon is in the 8th house [ debility ] also. But it should be done if the moon is weak in the shadbal [ six fold strength ] and is not supported by other friendly planets. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Dear Varun ji, > > I had an opportunity to discuss these restrictions with Pt. Krishna > Ashant ji. He is of the opinion that these restrictions should as > well be followed when the moon is in the 10th house, more as a > precaution if nothing else. I would like to hear your views on that. > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji does not use a computer himself but his son > does. Ashant ji keeps himself well informed about what is being > discussed in this group through his son. > > Just thought of sharing this information with you. > > Sincerely, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > Moon in the 11th house : > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and > > > > time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > Quoting the book, > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 > > > > > > > > > > > > panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: > > > > > > > > [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa budh. > > > > [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke > > > > kisi bhi rishtedar ki > > > > [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki > > > > ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. > > > > [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa ketu > > > > [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , > > > > ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati > > > > bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] > > > > > > > > If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those > > > > which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, > > > > venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. > > > > > > > > These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : > > > > > > > > ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda > > > > ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied > > > > > > > > The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. > > > > > > > > The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, > > > > is an inference from what is mentioned: > > > > > > > > > > > > on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: > > > > > > > > Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana > > > > no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra > > > > par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, > > > > ya manda ho raha ho. > > > > > > > > So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective > > > > of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek asar ] > > > > > > > > Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon > > > > in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. > > > > Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely affect > > > > the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further > > > > Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position > > > > of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it still > > further. > > > > Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered as: > > > > > > > > no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 > urdu ed > > ] > > > > > > > > hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, 1952 > urdu > > ed ] > > > > > > > > A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no > > > > consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed > > > > in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its > enemies. > > > > Therefore any action or business associated with those five planets > > > > done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon > > > > into a direct confrontation with them. > > > > Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing > > > > [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further > > > > handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, > > > > in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy > > > > prey to his enemies and succumbs. > > > > > > > > Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any > > > > confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, > > > > venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid > > > > doing the above things on those days and times. > > > > > > > > Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not > > > > imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the > > > > 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. > > > > > > > > The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not > > > > as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th house. > > > > Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon > > > > in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any > > > > onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. > > > > > > > > We should remember that the 11th house is a house of > > > > aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any > > > > thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed > > > > there should always be avoided. > > > > > > > > These are strictly our views, > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi, >>...But it should be done if the moon is weak in the shadbal [six fold strength]...<< Perhaps it is only fair to mention in this connection that Pt. Krishna Ashant has shown a very liberal approach to to certain Lal Kitab principles. In one of his books he advocates the use exaltation and debilitation by zodiacal signs, which is not supported by Lal Kitab. In a public Lal Kitab-forum like this it is also fair to mention that the question of whether the Moon is weak or strong in Shadbala (six-fold strength) has no place at all in connection with Lal Kitab. It must be considered an interpolation, since nothing can be found about it in any of Roop Chand Joshi's books. If we deviate from the Lal Kitab-teachings in public, then we should admit doing so, not to create unnecessary confusion about the concepts of Lal Kitab. Best regards, Finn Wandahl , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Raheja ji, > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is a living legend as far as the Lal Kitab is > concerned. It is through his books, people like us got interested in > the Lal Kitab. One great thing about him is that he is equally well > versed in Vedic astrology. > > Next time when you meet him, convey our most humble regards to him. > It is a matter of great honour that a person of Pt Krishna Ashant > ji's stature takes interest in what is being discussed in this > group. It appears we have come of age. > > Now coming to our views about the moon in the 10th and the > restrictions; yes, one should follow them, may be as a precaution, > not only for the moon in the 10th house but when the moon is in the > 8th house [ debility ] also. But it should be done if the moon is > weak in the shadbal [ six fold strength ] and is not supported by > other friendly planets. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Dear Varun ji, Thank you for your input. Next time when I meet Pt. Ashant ji I will convey your feeling to him. Sir, could you please briefly explain what is shadbal. With respect, Girish Raheja , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Raheja ji, > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji is a living legend as far as the Lal Kitab is > concerned. It is through his books, people like us got interested in > the Lal Kitab. One great thing about him is that he is equally well > versed in Vedic astrology. > > Next time when you meet him, convey our most humble regards to him. > It is a matter of great honour that a person of Pt Krishna Ashant > ji's stature takes interest in what is being discussed in this > group. It appears we have come of age. > > Now coming to our views about the moon in the 10th and the > restrictions; yes, one should follow them, may be as a precaution, > not only for the moon in the 10th house but when the moon is in the > 8th house [ debility ] also. But it should be done if the moon is > weak in the shadbal [ six fold strength ] and is not supported by > other friendly planets. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > I had an opportunity to discuss these restrictions with Pt. > Krishna > > Ashant ji. He is of the opinion that these restrictions should as > > well be followed when the moon is in the 10th house, more as a > > precaution if nothing else. I would like to hear your views on > that. > > > > Pt. Krishna Ashant ji does not use a computer himself but his son > > does. Ashant ji keeps himself well informed about what is being > > discussed in this group through his son. > > > > Just thought of sharing this information with you. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > Moon in the 11th house : > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab prohibits the following five activities on days and > > > > > > time given below for those who have Moon in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting the book, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 urdu ed; page 414 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panch baten zahar ka asar dengi: > > > > > > > > > > > > [ a ] budhwar bahan ya larki ka janma din,ya budh ki ashiya, > > > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa budh. > > > > > > [ b ] shukrawar ki shadi khwa apani khwa apne khoon ke > > > > > > kisi bhi rishtedar ki > > > > > > [ c ] shaniwar ke din makan banana,ya girana ya shani ki > > > > > > ashiya, ya kaobar mutallqa shani. > > > > > > [ d ] dan lena ya dena bawaqt subah sabere ya ketu ki ashiya > > > > > > ya karobar mutallaqa ketu > > > > > > [ e ] guru updesh bawaqt pakki sham sunana ya sunaana , > > > > > > ya brahspati ki ashiya, ya karobar mutallaqa brahaspati > > > > > > bawaqt rahu [ pakki sham] > > > > > > > > > > > > If you notice the planets mentioned above are all those > > > > > > which consider the Moon as their enemy, namely mercury, > > > > > > venus, Saturn, Ketu and rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > These restrictions will apply subject to two conditions : > > > > > > > > > > > > ( i ) when the 3rd house is manda > > > > > > ( ii ) when the 4th house is occupied > > > > > > > > > > > > The first condition has been mentioned on the page 414 above. > > > > > > > > > > > > The second condition, though not mentioned here on page 414, > > > > > > is an inference from what is mentioned: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on page 67 of 1952 urdu ed: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra ka mutthi [ khana no. 1,4,7,10 ] se bahar aur khana > > > > > > no 4 khali ho to Chandra ka sab grahon may khud Chandra > > > > > > par nek asar hoga, khwah Chandra khud raddi, nikamma, > > > > > > ya manda ho raha ho. > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as the 4th house is not occupied the moon irrespective > > > > > > of where it is placed will always be of benefic effect [ nek > asar ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, why these effects have been predicted, with the moon > > > > > > in the 11th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason 1 : 11th house belongs to the Saturn, an enemy territory. > > > > > > Reason 2 : aspect of the planet from the 3rd will adversely > affect > > > > > > the Moon. And could jeopardize it still further > > > > > > Reason 3 : and a planet placed in the 4th will be in a position > > > > > > of takrav [ conflict ] with the moon in the 11thweakening it > still > > > further. > > > > > > Reason 4 : a moon placed in the 11th house has been considered > as: > > > > > > > > > > > > no 11 mein Chandra sifar, nirpaksha, ya manda [ page 67; 1952 > > urdu ed > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > hote huye na ke barabar nirpaksha, sifar, manda [ page 411, > 1952 > > urdu > > > ed ] > > > > > > > > > > > > A moon in the 11th house is helpless and disarmed; it is of no > > > > > > consequence; amounting to be a zero. Therefore a moon placed > > > > > > in the 11th house will be susceptible to any onslaught by its > > enemies. > > > > > > Therefore any action or business associated with those five > planets > > > > > > done on the days or the time assigned to them will bring the moon > > > > > > into a direct confrontation with them. > > > > > > Since a moon placed in the 11th house is already equal to nothing > > > > > > [ a zero] and of no consequence [ nirpaksha ], and is further > > > > > > handicapped through an adverse aspect of a planet from the third, > > > > > > in confrontation with a planet placed in the 4th becomes an easy > > > > > > prey to his enemies and succumbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore a native with the moon in the 11th should avoid any > > > > > > confrontation between the moon and its enemies like mercury, > > > > > > venus, Saturn, ketu and rahu ; hence the instructions; avoid > > > > > > doing the above things on those days and times. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a question arises as to why the same restrictions are not > > > > > > imposed if the moon is placed in the 10th house. After all the > > > > > > 10th house is also a house owned by Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is simple, the moon placed in the 10th house is not > > > > > > as helpless, disarmed, or insignificant as it is in the 11th > house. > > > > > > Being in the Kendra [ mutthi ke khane ] it is strong. A moon > > > > > > in the 10th house is in a better position to withstand any > > > > > > onslaught by its enemies as compared to being in the 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should remember that the 11th house is a house of > > > > > > aay [ income ] and therefore of great significance. Any > > > > > > thing that could damage the 11th house or a planet placed > > > > > > there should always be avoided. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are strictly our views, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Dear Wandahl and Varun ji, I have been studying Lalkitab for over two years now. I have some understanding of the vedic astrology also. During these years I never felt that the Lalkitab is any different from the vedic astrology. As a matter of fact my knowledge of traditional astrology was helpful in grasping the Lalkitab. Sincerely, HS Gill , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Mr. Varun Trivedi, > > Thank you very much for your kind, clear and very interesting reply to > my earlier message. I am well aware that you consider Lal Kitab to be > a sub-system or branch of traditional Hindu astrology. This can also > to some extent be argued from some lines of Lal Kitab itself. > > I am also aware of some of the things that has happened since the > death of late Pt. Roop Chand Joshi, like certain individuals turning > Lal Kitab into almost a religious cult-matter, which I think was > absolutely never the intention of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. This > unpleasant trend can however also be observed with some of the > followers of the K.P.-system (Krishnamurthi Padhdhathi). Who knows? > Perhaps this is a kind of automatic or natural development that often > happens when a great scholar dies and his followers are left in a void > or a vacuum that needs to be filled up one way or the other. > > SHADBALA: It can be argued that Shadbala (i.e. the popular method of > calculating six-fold-strength in Rupas) has changed from its original > position the way it was first explained in Varaha Mihira's Brihat > Jataka into a kind of mathematical absurdity lacking in logical > substance, which is what we have got today, where six different > methods of measuring the strength of planets have been > indiscriminately mixed together, which is like counting apples and > bananas equal. > > However, I do think each of the six methods involved in Shadbala serve > their individual purposes and to some extent they actually seem to > have a resemblance with certain principles from the Lal Kitab Grammar. > Please let me give some few examples from memory. > > One of these six sources of strength is Sthanabala which is mainly the > judgement of the planetary position in exaltation, debilitation, own > sign, friendly sign, enimical sign ect. and it is sometimes > difficultult to understand whether Brihat Jataka means houses or > signs, because the word Sthana can mean both. Taken in this context > Sthanabala is most certain included in the very basic rules of Lal Kitab. > > Then there is a kind of strength called Kalabala, which means > judgement of strength by time. Here Moon, Mars ans Saturn are strong > by night-time, and the others by day-time. Here the horoscope is > divided into 1st half and 2nd half, just like in Lal Kitab and the > principal involved also rings a bell. Also in this method malefics are > strong in Krishna Paksha and benefics in shukla Paksha. In addition > each planet gets this strength in its own weekday, month ect., which > is also in tune with Lal Kitab > > Finally there is a kind of strength called Naisargikabala, which means > something like natural strength, depending upon the degree of light of > the planets, where the sun is the brightest, followed in order by > Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars and finally Saturn. However this > order of the planets is exactly the same as given in Lal Kitab 1952 > edition which the only exception that Rahu and Ketu are included in > Lal Kitab. (Please refer page 76 #18 of Goswami & Vashisth's English > translation.) > > Best regards, > Finn Wandahl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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