offering in temple and establishing in 2nd house

June 3, 2008

Dear Varun ji,

What would be the difference between the effects of karak vastu of a planet

established in the 2nd house and the karak vastu offered at a temple?

Sincerely,

HS Gill

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Mahajan ji,

>

> [ 1 ] You know that the upaya of carrying almonds to the temple and

> bringing back the half of them is mentioned in the book.

>

> The question you seem to be asking is, " why carry almonds for 5

> days? "

>

> The answer has to be found out by the Lal Kitabist himself.

>

> This is how we perceive it : if a planet is placed in the 5th house

> then the karak vastu will have to be carried to the temple for 5

> days to get the nature [ taseer ] changed. Carrying it for 5 days

> alone can make logical sense.You might perceive it differently. We

> have no argument with that.

>

> [ 2 ] In order to distance the effect of a planet through immersing

> it in a flowing water, to destroy the effect of a planet for the

> year through burying it, or to get the taseer [ nature ] changed

> through offering it at a temple, the Drishti Path rule doesn't

> apply.

>

> The drishti path rule applies only when a planet is to be

> established in a house through removing it from where it is placed.

>

> There is a difference between establishing a planet in the 2nd

house

> and offering it at a temple so that its taseer [ nature ] gets

> changed. It is similar to the difference of establishing a planet

in the 4th house and distancing it through immersion. The two are

not the same thing.

>

> A karak vastu of a planet placed any where in the kundali can be

> offered at a temple, where as if the planet is to be established in

> the 2nd house then there must be a drishti path for it.

>

> This is how we interpret it. You are free to have your own

> interpretation.

>

> With regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Varun jee,

> > aapne jo likha hai woh copy yahan paste hai:-

> > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is

> >

> > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic

> >

> > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th house

> >

> > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani

> >

> > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.

> >

> > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days

> >

> > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th hous

> > Shani ka 5 days wala lk mein kis page no par likha kripya bataye

> ta ki

> > mein bhee padh ke apna gyan bada sakoon.

> > Aur yeh bhee bataye ki kya yahan par budh ke liye drishti path

hai

> ya

> > nahi.mere khayal se to budh ko 9th house se khana no 2 mein jaise

> apne

> > likha hai waise nahi bheja ja sakta. mafi chahta hoon

> >

> > mahajan

> > , bhupinder johar

> > <bsjoharsnp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Most Respected Varunji,

> > > & nbsp;

> > > In my opinion, forget about a teacher or for that matter & nbsp;a

> > guru, only a & nbsp;mother ( context here is selflessness) can have

> so

> > much of patience ....Words will destroy the beauty so one has to

> feel

> > and prey - GOD bless you.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > After OSHO if I am able to understand one's explanantion to

make

> > things simple - Its respected Varunji only.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > I'd like to read a book with yours name as AUTHOR......

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Cheers

> > > Bhupinder & nbsp;

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 5/28/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@

> > > LK discussion group Re: Varun ji; umesh ji; Mahajan ji

> > >

> > > Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:27 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > & nbsp;

> > > I am sorry to have answered it in the form of a riddle.

> > > You know & nbsp;I am not in a habit of answering like that.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Regarding the question raised by Pt. Umesh ji about

> > > example # 18 from the 1952 edition, the exact lines from

> > > & nbsp;page # 974 of the 1952 ed are:

> > > & nbsp;

> > > ? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan khana

> > > & nbsp;number 2 mein, 9 din ( jahan ki & nbsp; shukra budha janma

> > > kundali mein hain) tak lagatar diya gaya . Aur rani ka

> > > naak chhedan ( budh number 9 ka upaya ) jo pahale

> > > nahi kiya gaya tha, upaya ke dinon mein karva diya gaya tha?

> > > & nbsp;

> > > While answering this Mahajan ji said :

> > > & nbsp;agar 9 & nbsp; & nbsp;din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven ghar

> mein hee

> > > & nbsp;stahpit hogi na ki & nbsp; & nbsp;khana no 2 mein.

> > > Now you can see for yourself that Pandit ji himself has

> > > said, ?khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan

> > > khana number 2 mein?? .

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Therefore I had to say that Mahajan ji is not right and

> > > requested him to read the context from the Lal Kitab.

> > > The khaand ka bartan is not being established in the 9th house

> > > as Mahajan ji has claimed.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Next Pt. Umesh ji asked & nbsp;Mahajan ji about the purpose

> > > of this Khaand ka bartan being & nbsp;offered at the temple

> > > for 9 days regularly. Mahajan ji did not respond to it.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > & nbsp;The answer is simple, the purpose is to get the taaseer

> > > changed, to make the planets swear in the presence of

> > > a deity that they would not do any harm and would behave.

> > > This is one of the forms of Upaya & nbsp;discussed in message #

> 205.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is

> > > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic

> > > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th house

> > > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani

> > > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.

> > > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days

> > > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th house.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > The next question Umesh ji asked was about the bartan,

> > > & nbsp;to which Mahajan ji said :

> > > & nbsp;

> > > ?khand mitti ke bartan samet dee gayee ya sirf khand ko,

> > > ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe?

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Now you can see for yourself that pandit ji has said

> > > & nbsp;? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh)?. It is obvious that

> > > the bartan was mitti ka and not of brass etc. The khaand

> > > was offered in a mitti ka bartan.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > I hope I have explained the entire query to your satisfaction.

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Have a nice day,

> > > & nbsp;

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > > & nbsp;

> > >

> > > & nbsp;

> > > , " kulbirbance "

> > & lt;kulbirbance@ ... & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Respected Gurujano;

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; kyon khamkhah ki tension de rahe ho adhe adhure

> > > & gt; paheli jaise answer bhej kar. kuch bachon ka bhi khayal

> karo;

> > > & gt; request hai detil mein samjha do; bache ki jaan loge kya.

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; sincerely

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; kulbirbance

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; , " Umesh

Sharma "

> > > & gt; mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; Mahajan ji,

> > > & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; Janamkundli main Shukar+Budh dono 9vain bhav main hi

> hey.

> > Sir, enka

> > > & gt; & gt; dusra asar kya hota hey? ye kese fix kiya e ki Pital

ka

> > bartan lain

> > > & gt; & gt; ki mitti ka ya kisi aur metal ka?

> > > & gt; & gt; Thanks

> > > & gt; & gt; Regards

> > > & gt; & gt; Umesh Sharma

> > > & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; @.

com, " mts3434 "

> > & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Umesh jee

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; mein aajkal yahan par hoon mere paas lk nahi

> > hai.jaise ki aapne

> > > & gt; & gt; likha

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; hai uske liye sabse pehle aap shukar+budh khana

> no 9

> > dekhen.

> > > & gt; agar 9

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven ghar mein hee

> > stahpit hogi na

> > > & gt; ki

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; khana no 2 mein.khand mitti ke bartan samet dee

> gayee

> > ya sirf

> > > & gt; khand

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ko,ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; shukar+budh dono grah masnoi surya ka asar

denge,

> > lekin aap lk

> > > & gt; & gt; dekhen

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ki kya khana no 9 mein bhee dono yehi asar dete

> hain

> > ya koi dusra

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; asar. kyonki shukar+budh dono hee khana no 9

mein

> > theek nahi hote

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; issliye shayad yahan woh koi dusra asar denge

> detail

> > ke liye lk

> > > & gt; & gt; zaroor dekhen.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Mahajan

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; @.

> com, " Umesh

> > Sharma "

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;mudit982001@ & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I am highly oblized if you clarify

following

> term.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; In Example section Example no. 18. Pandit

ji

> > wrote that

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; " Khand ka bartan(Mangal+ Budh)Dharam- Sthan

> main

> > 9 din tak (Khana

> > > & gt; & gt; No. 9

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; jahan ki Shukar + Budh Janamkundli main

hain)

> > lagataar diya

> > > & gt; gaya.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kya Grahon ko khana no. 2 main bhega gaya

> hey ya

> > kuch aur hey?

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thanks in Advance

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; UmmeSharma

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; plz

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; @.

com,

> > " mts3434 "

> > > & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kulbir jee,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; aap yeh kyon bhool rahen hain kee

kesar

> ka

> > tilak mathey

> > > & gt; & gt; (forehead )

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kyon lagaya jata hai,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> ,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; " kulbirbance " & lt;kulbirbance@ & gt;

> wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected gurudev,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; can a planet be established in a

> > particular

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; house by applying/wearing karak

> shay

> > of that planet on the

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; corresponding part of the body

> > representing that house.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; regards

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kulbirbance

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;varun_trvd@ & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 1 ] Any thing established

in

> > the North East corner of

> > > & gt; the

> > > & gt; & gt; home

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; will get established in the

> 4th

> > house of the Kundali.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 2 ] Any planet which has

an

> > aspect on the 4th house,

> > > & gt; can

> > > & gt; & gt; be

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; got

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; established there. The

aspect

> > also includes the special

> > > & gt; & gt; aspects

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; of

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Mars, Jupiter and the

Saturn.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards,

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun Trivedi

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > , " mts3434 "

> > > & gt; & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun jee

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kripya yeh bataye ki

> khana

> > no 4 mein agar koi grah

> > > & gt; sthapit

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; karna

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ho to

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kaise karenge. Drishti

> path

> > ( rasta ) bhee ho. drishti

> > > & gt; & gt; path

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; baare

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; mujhe sab pata hai.

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Maaahajan

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt; & gt;

> > > & gt;

> > >

> >

>

June 3, 2008

Respected Gill Saheb,

A very important query indeed.

The first thing to remember is that offering a karak vastu at

a temple does not mean establishing the planet in the 2nd house. By merely offering some thing to a deity does not get the planet established in the 2nd house.

The purpose of offering a karak object of a planet at any temple

is to change or modify its nature or taseer.

For example the Saturn in the 5th house is considered as a

serpent eating infants [ bachche khane wala sanp], in this case

the Lal Kitab advises to offer almonds [ karak vastu of Saturn ]

at a temple and bring back home half of them and keep safely.

It is assumed that the Saturn has been made to change its

nature [ taseer ] and will not harm the children any more.

Or in other words Saturn is made to take an oath in front of

a deity that it will not harm any more.

Therefore by offering the karak vastu in a temple only the

nature gets changed, the planet does not start giving the

effects of that house.

Now if the Saturn were to be established in the 2nd house,

subject to other planetary placements in the Kundali, then

the Kark vastu can be kept in the North West corner of the

house. Yes it can also be established within the temple

compound such that it stays there undisturbed for at least a year.

On the contrary a planet is estabilshed in a house to make it give the effects of that house for that year.

If a planet is established in the 2nd house then it will start

giving the effects of that house. Like in the case of the

Saturn, if it were to be established in the 2nd then it will,

subject to other planetary placements, result in :

The jatak will get disenchanted with life and might start

thinking of renouncing; he will lose interest in every day

matters of the life. If malefic, then it will harm the sasural

if the karak objects of Saturn are bought; it might adversely

effect the financial position of saural; if the Mars is badly

placed then he might get illness if he is in the years

between 28 to 39 and so on.

Therefore by establishing a planet in a house we expect the results of the planet in that house to be felt and experienced

None of these things will happen if the karak vastu is offered

at the temple, because offering the karak vastu at the temple

does not mean establishing the planet in the 2nd house.

I hope the concept is clear now.

Regards

Varun Trivedi

, "gill_hs2005" <gill_hs2005 wrote:>> Dear Varun ji,> > What would be the difference between the effects of karak vastu of a planet established in the 2nd house and the karak vastu offered at a temple?> > Sincerely,> > HS Gill> > > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mahajan ji,> >> > [ 1 ] You know that the upaya of carrying almonds to the temple and> > bringing back the half of them is mentioned in the book.> >> > The question you seem to be asking is, "why carry almonds for 5> > days?"> >> > The answer has to be found out by the Lal Kitabist himself.> >> > This is how we perceive it : if a planet is placed in the 5th house> > then the karak vastu will have to be carried to the temple for 5> > days to get the nature [ taseer ] changed. Carrying it for 5 days> > alone can make logical sense.You might perceive it differently. We> > have no argument with that.> >> > [ 2 ] In order to distance the effect of a planet through immersing> > it in a flowing water, to destroy the effect of a planet for the> > year through burying it, or to get the taseer [ nature ] changed> > through offering it at a temple, the Drishti Path rule doesn't> > apply.> >> > The drishti path rule applies only when a planet is to be> > established in a house through removing it from where it is placed.> >> > There is a difference between establishing a planet in the 2nd> house> > and offering it at a temple so that its taseer [ nature ] gets> > changed. It is similar to the difference of establishing a planet> in the 4th house and distancing it through immersion. The two are> not the same thing.> >> > A karak vastu of a planet placed any where in the kundali can be> > offered at a temple, where as if the planet is to be established in> > the 2nd house then there must be a drishti path for it.> >> > This is how we interpret it. You are free to have your own> > interpretation.> >> > With regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "mts3434" <mts3434@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Varun jee,> > > aapne jo likha hai woh copy yahan paste hai:-> > > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is> > >> > > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic> > >> > > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th house> > >> > > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani> > >> > > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.> > >> > > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days> > >> > > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th hous> > > Shani ka 5 days wala lk mein kis page no par likha kripya bataye> > ta ki> > > mein bhee padh ke apna gyan bada sakoon.> > > Aur yeh bhee bataye ki kya yahan par budh ke liye drishti path> hai> > ya> > > nahi.mere khayal se to budh ko 9th house se khana no 2 mein jaise> > apne> > > likha hai waise nahi bheja ja sakta. mafi chahta hoon> > >> > > mahajan> > > , bhupinder johar> > > <bsjoharsnp@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Most Respected Varunji,> > > > & nbsp;> > > > In my opinion, forget about a teacher or for that matter & nbsp;a> > > guru, only a & nbsp;mother ( context here is selflessness) can have> > so> > > much of patience ....Words will destroy the beauty so one has to> > feel> > > and prey - GOD bless you.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > After OSHO if I am able to understand one's explanantion to> make> > > things simple - Its respected Varunji only.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > I'd like to read a book with yours name as AUTHOR......> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Cheers> > > > Bhupinder & nbsp;> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 5/28/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@> > > > LK discussion group Re: Varun ji; umesh ji; Mahajan ji> > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:27 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > & nbsp;> > > > I am sorry to have answered it in the form of a riddle.> > > > You know & nbsp;I am not in a habit of answering like that.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Regarding the question raised by Pt. Umesh ji about> > > > example # 18 from the 1952 edition, the exact lines from> > > > & nbsp;page # 974 of the 1952 ed are:> > > > & nbsp;> > > > ? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan khana> > > > & nbsp;number 2 mein, 9 din ( jahan ki & nbsp; shukra budha janma> > > > kundali mein hain) tak lagatar diya gaya . Aur rani ka> > > > naak chhedan ( budh number 9 ka upaya ) jo pahale> > > > nahi kiya gaya tha, upaya ke dinon mein karva diya gaya tha?> > > > & nbsp;> > > > While answering this Mahajan ji said :> > > > & nbsp;agar 9 & nbsp; & nbsp;din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven ghar> > mein hee> > > > & nbsp;stahpit hogi na ki & nbsp; & nbsp;khana no 2 mein.> > > > Now you can see for yourself that Pandit ji himself has> > > > said, ?khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan> > > > khana number 2 mein?? .> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Therefore I had to say that Mahajan ji is not right and> > > > requested him to read the context from the Lal Kitab.> > > > The khaand ka bartan is not being established in the 9th house> > > > as Mahajan ji has claimed.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Next Pt. Umesh ji asked & nbsp;Mahajan ji about the purpose> > > > of this Khaand ka bartan being & nbsp;offered at the temple> > > > for 9 days regularly. Mahajan ji did not respond to it.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;The answer is simple, the purpose is to get the taaseer> > > > changed, to make the planets swear in the presence of> > > > a deity that they would not do any harm and would behave.> > > > This is one of the forms of Upaya & nbsp;discussed in message #> > 205.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is> > > > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic> > > > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th house> > > > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani> > > > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.> > > > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days> > > > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th house.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > The next question Umesh ji asked was about the bartan,> > > > & nbsp;to which Mahajan ji said :> > > > & nbsp;> > > > ?khand mitti ke bartan samet dee gayee ya sirf khand ko,> > > > ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe?> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Now you can see for yourself that pandit ji has said> > > > & nbsp;? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh)?. It is obvious that> > > > the bartan was mitti ka and not of brass etc. The khaand> > > > was offered in a mitti ka bartan.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > I hope I have explained the entire query to your satisfaction.> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Have a nice day,> > > > & nbsp;> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > >> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > > & nbsp;> > > > , "kulbirbance"> > > & lt;kulbirbance@ ... & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; Respected Gurujano;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; kyon khamkhah ki tension de rahe ho adhe adhure> > > > & gt; paheli jaise answer bhej kar. kuch bachon ka bhi khayal> > karo;> > > > & gt; request hai detil mein samjha do; bache ki jaan loge kya.> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; sincerely> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; kulbirbance> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; , "Umesh> Sharma"> > > > & gt; mudit982001@ wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; Mahajan ji,> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; Janamkundli main Shukar+Budh dono 9vain bhav main hi> > hey.> > > Sir, enka> > > > & gt; & gt; dusra asar kya hota hey? ye kese fix kiya e ki Pital> ka> > > bartan lain> > > > & gt; & gt; ki mitti ka ya kisi aur metal ka?> > > > & gt; & gt; Thanks> > > > & gt; & gt; Regards> > > > & gt; & gt; Umesh Sharma> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; @.> com, "mts3434"> > > & lt;mts3434@ & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Umesh jee> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; mein aajkal yahan par hoon mere paas lk nahi> > > hai.jaise ki aapne> > > > & gt; & gt; likha> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; hai uske liye sabse pehle aap shukar+budh khana> > no 9> > > dekhen.> > > > & gt; agar 9> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven ghar mein hee> > > stahpit hogi na> > > > & gt; ki> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; khana no 2 mein.khand mitti ke bartan samet dee> > gayee> > > ya sirf> > > > & gt; khand> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ko,ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; shukar+budh dono grah masnoi surya ka asar> denge,> > > lekin aap lk> > > > & gt; & gt; dekhen> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ki kya khana no 9 mein bhee dono yehi asar dete> > hain> > > ya koi dusra> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; asar. kyonki shukar+budh dono hee khana no 9> mein> > > theek nahi hote> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; issliye shayad yahan woh koi dusra asar denge> > detail> > > ke liye lk> > > > & gt; & gt; zaroor dekhen.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Mahajan> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; @.> > com, "Umesh> > > Sharma"> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;mudit982001@ & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I am highly oblized if you clarify> following> > term.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; In Example section Example no. 18. Pandit> ji> > > wrote that> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; "Khand ka bartan(Mangal+ Budh)Dharam- Sthan> > main> > > 9 din tak (Khana> > > > & gt; & gt; No. 9> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; jahan ki Shukar + Budh Janamkundli main> hain)> > > lagataar diya> > > > & gt; gaya.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kya Grahon ko khana no. 2 main bhega gaya> > hey ya> > > kuch aur hey?> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thanks in Advance> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; UmmeSharma> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; plz> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; @.> com,> > > "mts3434"> > > > & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kulbir jee,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; aap yeh kyon bhool rahen hain kee> kesar> > ka> > > tilak mathey> > > > & gt; & gt; (forehead )> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kyon lagaya jata hai,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > ,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; "kulbirbance" & lt;kulbirbance@ & gt;> > wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected gurudev,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; can a planet be established in a> > > particular> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; house by applying/wearing karak> > shay> > > of that planet on the> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; corresponding part of the body> > > representing that house.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; regards> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kulbirbance> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;varun_trvd@ & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 1 ] Any thing established> in> > > the North East corner of> > > > & gt; the> > > > & gt; & gt; home> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; will get established in the> > 4th> > > house of the Kundali.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 2 ] Any planet which has> an> > > aspect on the 4th house,> > > > & gt; can> > > > & gt; & gt; be> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; got> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; established there. The> aspect> > > also includes the special> > > > & gt; & gt; aspects> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; of> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Mars, Jupiter and the> Saturn.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards,> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun Trivedi> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > > , "mts3434"> > > > & gt; & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun jee> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kripya yeh bataye ki> > khana> > > no 4 mein agar koi grah> > > > & gt; sthapit> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; karna> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ho to> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kaise karenge. Drishti> > path> > > ( rasta ) bhee ho. drishti> > > > & gt; & gt; path> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; baare> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; mujhe sab pata hai.> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Maaahajan> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt; & gt;> > > > & gt;> > > >> > >> >>

June 4, 2008

Dear Varun ji,

Many thanks for explaining the difference between offering and

establishing.

Like many others I also was under the impression that by offering a

karak vastu at a temple the planet gets established in the 2nd

house. It did not strike me that if the planet is established in a

house it is supposed to start giving the effects of that house.

Thank you once again for explaining this concept so beautifully and

in such detail.

Sincerely,

HS Gill

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Gill Saheb,

>

> A very important query indeed.

>

> The first thing to remember is that offering a karak vastu at

>

> a temple does not mean establishing the planet in the 2nd house. By

> merely offering some thing to a deity does not get the planet

> established in the 2nd house.

>

> The purpose of offering a karak object of a planet at any temple

>

> is to change or modify its nature or taseer.

>

> For example the Saturn in the 5th house is considered as a

>

> serpent eating infants [ bachche khane wala sanp], in this case

>

> the Lal Kitab advises to offer almonds [ karak vastu of Saturn ]

>

> at a temple and bring back home half of them and keep safely.

>

> It is assumed that the Saturn has been made to change its

>

> nature [ taseer ] and will not harm the children any more.

>

> Or in other words Saturn is made to take an oath in front of

>

> a deity that it will not harm any more.

>

> Therefore by offering the karak vastu in a temple only the

>

> nature gets changed, the planet does not start giving the

>

> effects of that house.

>

> Now if the Saturn were to be established in the 2nd house,

>

> subject to other planetary placements in the Kundali, then

>

> the Kark vastu can be kept in the North West corner of the

>

> house. Yes it can also be established within the temple

>

> compound such that it stays there undisturbed for at least a year.

>

> On the contrary a planet is estabilshed in a house to make it give

the

> effects of that house for that year.

>

> If a planet is established in the 2nd house then it will start

>

> giving the effects of that house. Like in the case of the

>

> Saturn, if it were to be established in the 2nd then it will,

>

> subject to other planetary placements, result in :

>

> The jatak will get disenchanted with life and might start

>

> thinking of renouncing; he will lose interest in every day

>

> matters of the life. If malefic, then it will harm the sasural

>

> if the karak objects of Saturn are bought; it might adversely

>

> effect the financial position of saural; if the Mars is badly

>

> placed then he might get illness if he is in the years

>

> between 28 to 39 and so on.

>

> Therefore by establishing a planet in a house we expect the

results of

> the planet in that house to be felt and experienced

>

> None of these things will happen if the karak vastu is offered

>

> at the temple, because offering the karak vastu at the temple

>

> does not mean establishing the planet in the 2nd house.

>

> I hope the concept is clear now.

>

> Regards

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " gill_hs2005 "

> <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun ji,

> >

> > What would be the difference between the effects of karak vastu

of a

> planet established in the 2nd house and the karak vastu offered at

a

> temple?

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > HS Gill

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] You know that the upaya of carrying almonds to the

temple and

> > > bringing back the half of them is mentioned in the book.

> > >

> > > The question you seem to be asking is, " why carry almonds for 5

> > > days? "

> > >

> > > The answer has to be found out by the Lal Kitabist himself.

> > >

> > > This is how we perceive it : if a planet is placed in the 5th

house

> > > then the karak vastu will have to be carried to the temple for

5

> > > days to get the nature [ taseer ] changed. Carrying it for 5

days

> > > alone can make logical sense.You might perceive it

differently. We

> > > have no argument with that.

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] In order to distance the effect of a planet through

immersing

> > > it in a flowing water, to destroy the effect of a planet for

the

> > > year through burying it, or to get the taseer [ nature ]

changed

> > > through offering it at a temple, the Drishti Path rule doesn't

> > > apply.

> > >

> > > The drishti path rule applies only when a planet is to be

> > > established in a house through removing it from where it is

placed.

> > >

> > > There is a difference between establishing a planet in the 2nd

> > house

> > > and offering it at a temple so that its taseer [ nature ] gets

> > > changed. It is similar to the difference of establishing a

planet

> > in the 4th house and distancing it through immersion. The two are

> > not the same thing.

> > >

> > > A karak vastu of a planet placed any where in the kundali can

be

> > > offered at a temple, where as if the planet is to be

established in

> > > the 2nd house then there must be a drishti path for it.

> > >

> > > This is how we interpret it. You are free to have your own

> > > interpretation.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " mts3434 "

<mts3434@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun jee,

> > > > aapne jo likha hai woh copy yahan paste hai:-

> > > > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is

> > > >

> > > > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic

> > > >

> > > > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th house

> > > >

> > > > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani

> > > >

> > > > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.

> > > >

> > > > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days

> > > >

> > > > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th hous

> > > > Shani ka 5 days wala lk mein kis page no par likha kripya

bataye

> > > ta ki

> > > > mein bhee padh ke apna gyan bada sakoon.

> > > > Aur yeh bhee bataye ki kya yahan par budh ke liye drishti

path

> > hai

> > > ya

> > > > nahi.mere khayal se to budh ko 9th house se khana no 2 mein

jaise

> > > apne

> > > > likha hai waise nahi bheja ja sakta. mafi chahta hoon

> > > >

> > > > mahajan

> > > > , bhupinder johar

> > > > <bsjoharsnp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Most Respected Varunji,

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > In my opinion, forget about a teacher or for that

matter & nbsp;a

> > > > guru, only a & nbsp;mother ( context here is selflessness) can

have

> > > so

> > > > much of patience ....Words will destroy the beauty so one

has to

> > > feel

> > > > and prey - GOD bless you.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > After OSHO if I am able to understand one's explanantion to

> > make

> > > > things simple - Its respected Varunji only.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > I'd like to read a book with yours name as AUTHOR......

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Cheers

> > > > > Bhupinder & nbsp;

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 5/28/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@

> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Varun ji; umesh ji;

Mahajan ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:27 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > I am sorry to have answered it in the form of a riddle.

> > > > > You know & nbsp;I am not in a habit of answering like that.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Regarding the question raised by Pt. Umesh ji about

> > > > > example # 18 from the 1952 edition, the exact lines from

> > > > > & nbsp;page # 974 of the 1952 ed are:

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > ? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan khana

> > > > > & nbsp;number 2 mein, 9 din ( jahan ki & nbsp; shukra budha

janma

> > > > > kundali mein hain) tak lagatar diya gaya . Aur rani ka

> > > > > naak chhedan ( budh number 9 ka upaya ) jo pahale

> > > > > nahi kiya gaya tha, upaya ke dinon mein karva diya gaya

tha?

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > While answering this Mahajan ji said :

> > > > > & nbsp;agar 9 & nbsp; & nbsp;din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven

ghar

> > > mein hee

> > > > > & nbsp;stahpit hogi na ki & nbsp; & nbsp;khana no 2 mein.

> > > > > Now you can see for yourself that Pandit ji himself has

> > > > > said, ?khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh ) dharma sthan

> > > > > khana number 2 mein?? .

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Therefore I had to say that Mahajan ji is not right and

> > > > > requested him to read the context from the Lal Kitab.

> > > > > The khaand ka bartan is not being established in the 9th

house

> > > > > as Mahajan ji has claimed.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Next Pt. Umesh ji asked & nbsp;Mahajan ji about the purpose

> > > > > of this Khaand ka bartan being & nbsp;offered at the temple

> > > > > for 9 days regularly. Mahajan ji did not respond to it.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > & nbsp;The answer is simple, the purpose is to get the

taaseer

> > > > > changed, to make the planets swear in the presence of

> > > > > a deity that they would not do any harm and would behave.

> > > > > This is one of the forms of Upaya & nbsp;discussed in

message #

> > > 205.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > The instruction of offering it for 9 days regularly is

> > > > > because of the combination in the 9th house. If a malefic

> > > > > effect is to be carried to a dharma sthan from the 9th

house

> > > > > it has to be carried for 9 days, like the upaya of Shani

> > > > > in the 5th where almonds are to be offered at a temple.

> > > > > If you notice the almonds are to be offered for 5 days

> > > > > because the Saturn is placed in the 5th house.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > The next question Umesh ji asked was about the bartan,

> > > > > & nbsp;to which Mahajan ji said :

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > ?khand mitti ke bartan samet dee gayee ya sirf khand ko,

> > > > > ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe?

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Now you can see for yourself that pandit ji has said

> > > > > & nbsp;? khaand ka bartan ( mangal budh)?. It is obvious

that

> > > > > the bartan was mitti ka and not of brass etc. The khaand

> > > > > was offered in a mitti ka bartan.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > I hope I have explained the entire query to your

satisfaction.

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > >

> > > > > & nbsp;

> > > > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > > & lt;kulbirbance@ ... & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Respected Gurujano;

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; kyon khamkhah ki tension de rahe ho adhe adhure

> > > > > & gt; paheli jaise answer bhej kar. kuch bachon ka bhi

khayal

> > > karo;

> > > > > & gt; request hai detil mein samjha do; bache ki jaan loge

kya.

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; sincerely

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; kulbirbance

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; , " Umesh

> > Sharma "

> > > > > & gt; mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; Mahajan ji,

> > > > > & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; Janamkundli main Shukar+Budh dono 9vain bhav

main hi

> > > hey.

> > > > Sir, enka

> > > > > & gt; & gt; dusra asar kya hota hey? ye kese fix kiya e ki

Pital

> > ka

> > > > bartan lain

> > > > > & gt; & gt; ki mitti ka ya kisi aur metal ka?

> > > > > & gt; & gt; Thanks

> > > > > & gt; & gt; Regards

> > > > > & gt; & gt; Umesh Sharma

> > > > > & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; @.

> > com, " mts3434 "

> > > > & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Umesh jee

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; mein aajkal yahan par hoon mere paas lk nahi

> > > > hai.jaise ki aapne

> > > > > & gt; & gt; likha

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; hai uske liye sabse pehle aap shukar+budh

khana

> > > no 9

> > > > dekhen.

> > > > > & gt; agar 9

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; din lagatar diya jaye to woh 9ven ghar mein

hee

> > > > stahpit hogi na

> > > > > & gt; ki

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; khana no 2 mein.khand mitti ke bartan samet

dee

> > > gayee

> > > > ya sirf

> > > > > & gt; khand

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ko,ya pital ke bartan mein, yeh bhee dekhe

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; shukar+budh dono grah masnoi surya ka asar

> > denge,

> > > > lekin aap lk

> > > > > & gt; & gt; dekhen

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; ki kya khana no 9 mein bhee dono yehi asar

dete

> > > hain

> > > > ya koi dusra

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; asar. kyonki shukar+budh dono hee khana no 9

> > mein

> > > > theek nahi hote

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; issliye shayad yahan woh koi dusra asar

denge

> > > detail

> > > > ke liye lk

> > > > > & gt; & gt; zaroor dekhen.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; Mahajan

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; @.

> > > com, " Umesh

> > > > Sharma "

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;mudit982001@ & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I am highly oblized if you clarify

> > following

> > > term.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; In Example section Example no. 18.

Pandit

> > ji

> > > > wrote that

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; " Khand ka bartan(Mangal+ Budh)Dharam-

Sthan

> > > main

> > > > 9 din tak (Khana

> > > > > & gt; & gt; No. 9

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; jahan ki Shukar + Budh Janamkundli main

> > hain)

> > > > lagataar diya

> > > > > & gt; gaya.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kya Grahon ko khana no. 2 main bhega

gaya

> > > hey ya

> > > > kuch aur hey?

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thanks in Advance

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; UmmeSharma

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; plz

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

@.

> > com,

> > > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Kulbir jee,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; aap yeh kyon bhool rahen hain kee

> > kesar

> > > ka

> > > > tilak mathey

> > > > > & gt; & gt; (forehead )

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kyon lagaya jata hai,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > ,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; " kulbirbance " & lt;kulbirbance@ & gt;

> > > wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected gurudev,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; can a planet be established

in a

> > > > particular

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; house by applying/wearing

karak

> > > shay

> > > > of that planet on the

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; corresponding part of the

body

> > > > representing that house.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; regards

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kulbirbance

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;varun_trvd@ & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 1 ] Any thing

established

> > in

> > > > the North East corner of

> > > > > & gt; the

> > > > > & gt; & gt; home

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; will get established in

the

> > > 4th

> > > > house of the Kundali.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [ 2 ] Any planet which

has

> > an

> > > > aspect on the 4th house,

> > > > > & gt; can

> > > > > & gt; & gt; be

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; got

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; established there. The

> > aspect

> > > > also includes the special

> > > > > & gt; & gt; aspects

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; of

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Mars, Jupiter and the

> > Saturn.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Regards,

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun Trivedi

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; --- In

> > > > , " mts3434 "

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & lt;mts3434@ & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; wrote:

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Varun jee

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kripya yeh bataye

ki

> > > khana

> > > > no 4 mein agar koi grah

> > > > > & gt; sthapit

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; karna

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ho to

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kaise karenge.

Drishti

> > > path

> > > > ( rasta ) bhee ho. drishti

> > > > > & gt; & gt; path

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; baare

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; mujhe sab pata hai.

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Maaahajan

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt; & gt;

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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