LK discussion group River vs Canal water /samandar / Kubir ji

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Bhupinder--- On Mon, 5/19/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: River vs Canal water /samandar / Kubir ji Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 5:42 PM

 

 

Dear Kulbir bhai,Samandar denotes an area, a place, a location and hence Pandit ji designated a house [ khana ] for it. Where as ' dariya ka pani' river water is not an area, a place or a location; instead it is a kind or quality of water; a kind of water different from spring water, water from a well etc. Since 'dariya ka pani' is not a place or an area or a location, a house [ khana ] can not be designated to it. As a lawyer you can understand the difference.Have a nice day,Varun , "kulbir bance" <kulbirbance@ ...> wrote:>> Gurudev, > > what i am trying to convey is that if 9th house was taken as> samandar then why can't dariya ka pani be denoted as house no4.> > sincerely> > kulbirbance>

> > > > > > > > > > On 5/15/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > In that case the samandar was not used as a carrier of the karak> > object, some thing that carries away the effects. Instead it was> > used as denoting the 9th house. If you remember the upaya suugested> > was to immerse in a samandar a silver figurine of a lady for venus> > placed in the 9th house.> >> > Yes, samandar as a huge store of water can be included.> >> > I hope I had understood your request correctly.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > @.

com<lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "kulbirbance"> > <kulbirbance@ > wrote:> > >> > > Varun ji,> > >> > > it would be appropriate if the upaye of samandar as> > > written in kundali sent by umesh ji be included in this discusion> > > while determining taseer of water.> > >> > > regards> > >> > > kulbirbance> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "varun_trvd"> > > <varun_trvd@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > >>

> > >> > > >> > > > You have said "lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha hai,> > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi karen,> > apne> > > > aap na upay na banaye."> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > We do not agree with that.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > To the best of our knowledge no such instructions are given> > > >> > > > in the Book that a Lal Kitab scholar can not formulate a new> > > >> > > > upaya. The Lal Kitab upaya are not 'Jaadoo Tona' which> > > > have> > > >> > > > to stay as such and should not be modified or devised afresh.> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

> > I am afraid, it is this attitude of some Lal Kitab followers> > > which> > > >> > > > made other astrologers believe that the Lal Kitab is not a book> > > >> > > > of astrology and instead it is a book of 'Totka & Tonas'.> > > > It is> > > >> > > > this general perception that we are trying hard to dispel.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > We do not treat the Lal Kitab as a closed system. We treat> > > >> > > > Lal Kitab astrology as a living organism which grows. If any> > > >> > > > one treats this system as a closed system it will soon become> > > >> > > > a dogma and subsequently get fossilized. Therefore all such> > > >> > >

> upaya which have been devised according to the principles> > > >> > > > of the Lal Kitab are acceptable to us.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Now coming to the concept of a River and a Canal.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > We believe that the swabhav [ taaseer ] of the flowing water> > > >> > > > doesn't change in both these cases. In both the cases the> > > >> > > > flowing water stays the Karak of the moon. In both cases> > > >> > > > the water is fresh. If there comes about a change, at least> > > >> > > > we do not know about it. And this is what we had asked you,> > > >> > > > what difference comes about in the taaseer of the water

in> > > >> > > > both the cases?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Now let us talk about the dharma of the water. In both the> > > >> > > > cases the cooling property of the water remains the same.> > > >> > > > The dharma of the flowing water is to carry an object away;> > > >> > > > distancing. This remains the same whether it is the flowing> > > >> > > > water of a river or a canal.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Therefore neither the swabhav nor the dharma changes.> > > >> > > > Then where is the difference. I think it is in our minds.> > > >> > > > Since the word 'dariyaa' river is used in the Book, we>

> > > want> > > >> > > > to keep sticking to that. Mentally we are not prepared to> > > >> > > > accept a canal as a substitute for a river.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > We have nothing against those who have such mental blocks.> > > >> > > > For all we care, they could continue with their own precepts.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In one of my messages yesterday I have already explained> > > >> > > > the purpose of immersing karak objects in flowing water.> > > >> > > > The other possible purpose could have been of cooling or> > > >> > > > handing over to the Mother moon, but that is a separate matter.> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > > You have mentioned different forms of water. All of us are> > > >> > > > aware of them. All of us are also aware how and for what> > > >> > > > these different forms of water have to be used. Except for> > > >> > > > the river / canal flowing water, no other form mentioned by> > > >> > > > you is used for distancing the effect of a planet.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > You have not explained the difference between> > > >> > > > the flowing water of a canal and a river.> > > >> > > > If you can not explain the difference then might> > > >> > > > as well accept the two being the same> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > > You have asked what a Lal Kitab scholar should do for> > > >> > > > Venus 8th. The answer is simple:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [ a ] make the jatak flush down the toilet a pink flower [ the> > > flower> > > >> > > > should not be white or yellow ] each day for 43 days. The book> > > >> > > > doesn't mention this upaya. But this upaya is what one could> > > >> > > > get closest to throwing a flower into a sewage drain.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quite a few other alternatives to this upaya can be> > > >> > > > devised with a very great ease.> > > >>

> > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "mts3434" <mts3434@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar> > > > > mein iss samay yahan par hoon , mere paas lk nahi

hai. aap khud> > > hee> > > > > sochen ki Pt. jee ne dariya hee kyon likha hai. Baat rahi antar> > > ki,> > > > > kee nehar aur dariya mein kya antar hai. Mein koshish karta> > hoon> > > ki> > > > > samjha sankoo. Aapke brabr na to mere paas gyan hai, na hee> > mein> > > apne> > > > > aapko gyani samjhata hoon. lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha> > > hai,> > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi karen,> > > apne> > > > > aap na upay na banaye.> > > > > Agar aap iss baat ko manege to yeh bhee manana padega ki dariya> > > aur> > > > > nehar mein antar hota hai, ya hai. Kyonki lk mein kai jagah par> > > likha> > > > >

hai ki yeh upay ( dariya mein bahaye/dariya ka pani aadi )varna> > > clear> > > > > kiya hai ki pani mein bahaye ( saaf pani jo ki nehar ho sakti> > > hai ).> > > > > Jaise ki for example aap dahi (curd ) likha hai to aap dahi ka> > > hee> > > > > istemaal karen. Aap dahi ko mixer mein ek circle chala de ya> > aap> > > dahi> > > > > ko madhani achhi tarah se ghuma de, lekin usmein water, salt ya> > > sugar> > > > > na milaye to bhee woh dahi nahi rahega. aap usse lassi hee> > > kahenge (> > > > > thick lassi )iss tarah ke aur bhee example diye ja sakte hain> > ki> > > kisi> > > > > mein kuchh nahi milaya lekin uski tasir ya naam badal gaya.> > > > > Aise hee dariya se

nehar, nehar se sua ( yeh punjabi ka word> > hai> > > > > jiska matlab saaf pani ka nala bhee keh sakte hai) jo ki> > village> > > mein> > > > > aam mil jata hai, kheti badi wali zameen ko pani ke liye .> > nehar> > > aur> > > > > sua dono naam alag hai aise hee dariya ka matlab dariya hai koi> > > aur> > > > > nahi ( matlab ki nehar nahi ) lk mein pani ka bahut hee> > imprtant> > > role> > > > > hai pani kee alag alag kisme aapko milegi jaise ki> > > > > 1... Dariya ka paani--> > > > > 2... meenh ka paani ( Rain water )> > > > > 3... Shamshan ka paani> > > > > 4... Gangajal> > > > > 5... Chhapr ka paani ( shani khan no 6 )> > > > > 6... Gandanala (

shukar khana no 8 ) yeh paani nahi lekin issme> > > ganda> > > > > paani to behta hee hai> > > > > agar aur bhee kuchh ho to aap samjha dein . aapki bahut> > meharbani> > > > > hogi.> > > > > dhanyawad.> > > > > mahajan> > > > > P.S..... aajkal shehron mein gandanala nahi milta to yeh bataye> > > ki> > > > > aaplog phul/tambe ka paise kismein girwate ho (shukar-8 )> > > > >> > > > > In <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-> > > literates.> > > > > >> > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water> > > > > >> > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way. Immersing> > > > > >> > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the> > > > > >> > > > > > effect of the planet.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I am> > > > > >> > > > > > quoting two

statements from the book:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa mein> > dalen> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting away> > > > > >> > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing water.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away.> > > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952 editions.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "kulbirbance"> > > > > > <kulbirbance@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi kitabein> > > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya aap> > ki> > > kasht> > > > > > > karein.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kulbirbance> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "Umesh Sharma"> > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke upay> > se> > > aap> > > > > ka> > > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main sthapit> > > hota> > > > > hey> > > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat karainge?> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "varun_trvd"> > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ap ne likha

hai> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf )> > mein> > > bahut> > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain."> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya ke> > > paani aur> > > > > > > > bahate> > > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee hai?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya ke> > > prabhav> > > > > mein>

> > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer vahi> > > rahati> > > > > hai> > > > > > > > [> > > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka paani> > > ho ya> > > > > > > > nahar> > > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur kyon> > > hua ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir bhai hi> > > bata> > > > > den.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to

ap ne diya hi nahi. Surya 4> > > ke> > > > > samay> > > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha hai?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "mts3434"> > > > > <mts3434@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Varun jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha, behta> > > pani> > > > > kyon> > > > > > > > > nahi> > > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani> > > (saaf )> > > > >

mein> > > > > > > > bahut> > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.> > > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha hai ki> > > darya> > > > > ke> > > > > > > > pani> > > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se kapde> > > dhoye (> > > > > > > kora> > > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh sakte> > > thei.ya> > > > > > > apne> > > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke cheente> > > mare )> > > > > abb> > > > > > > > > mein> > > > >

> > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai, nahi> > > to mein> > > > > > > > page> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha hua> > > aapko> > > > > mil> > > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare (> > > pravah ) ya> > > > > > > kisi> > > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah> > > karen. mere> > > > > > > > khayal> > > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee> > upay> > > karna> > > > > > > > > chahiye> > > > > > >

> > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya / nehar> > > mein> > > > > karwa> > > > > > > > > sakte> > > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain. meri> > aap> > > > > logo ke> > > > > > > > > aage> > > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye kai> > > baar> > > > > apni> > > > > > > > baat> > > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss kare to> > > sahi> > > > > > > > tarike> > > > > > > > > se> > > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir jee se>

> > mil> > > > > > > > > jayega.aap> > > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > mahajan> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "varun_trvd"> > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed in> > >

flowing> > > > > water,> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has been> > > distanced> > > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the karak> > > > > object.> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing water, as> > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > stagnant> > > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the flowing> > > water

is> > > > > of> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > river> > > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away the> > > karak> > > > > object> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > planet.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "kulbirbance"> > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib;> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed> > > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source of> > water> > > but> > > > > in> > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then> > > sent in> > > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can> > > elaborare on> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > issue> > > > > > > > > > > in> >

> > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "mts3434"> > > > > > > > > <mts3434@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab> > > led/sikka/ranga> > > > > > > dariya> > > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > > > > pravah> > > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana> > > number 4> > > > > mein> > > > > > > na> > > > > > > > > > ho .> > > > > > > > > > > > ya> > > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana> > > no. 4> > > > > > > mein> > > > > > > > na> > > > > > > > > >

ho.> > > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar> > mein> > > > > nahi.yeh> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > hai> > > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna> > > hota> > > > > hai,> > > > > > > > > jaise> > > > > > > > > > ki> > > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south> > > face )> > > > > wale> > > > > > > ke> > > > > > > > > > liye> > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai.> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "gill_hs2005"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed> > > > > > > > explanation.> > > > > > >

> > I> > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "kulbir> > > > > > > > bance"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed

explanation, i> > agree> > > > > > > totally.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill

Saheb,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that> > > the> > > > > upaya> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as> > > 4pieces> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead,> > is a> > > > > > > devised> > > > > > > > > > upaya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab> > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned> > > in the> > > > > > > > book.*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin> > > ki> > > > > bazaar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat> > > takarane> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya> > > sikka,seesa, lead ]> > > > > dariya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban> > 8> > > sikke> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in> > > one> > > > > day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It> > > mentions Lead> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably> > > in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942> > > edition *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka> >

> vazan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4> > pooja> > > vale> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of> > > Lead /> > > > > > > Nariyal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly> > logically> > > > > devised> > > > > > > > > upaya.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna> > > Ashant> > > > > ji & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik> > > > > bhavanon ki> > > > > > > > > > gatha*"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt.> > > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > Ashant> > > > > > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should> > > be 8 in> > > > > > > > value> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8,> > > or 10> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this> > > upaya*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it

:*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is> > > that> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in> > 8th> > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure> > of 8> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure> > is> > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited> > > in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If

that were so then the figure of 8> > would> > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It> > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the> > > mind ?*> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th> > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> And which is the 8th house from the 11th?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8

pieces the same day for Rahu> > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8

pieces for a rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it> > > to?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be

better placed than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is> > to *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets> > based*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Should the Nariyal be the one with water> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be> > > completely> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of> > > Shani.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in> > > pooja> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise> > > Shani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry> > > planet.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is> > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal,> > which> > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "kulbirbance"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully> > > explained> > > > > rahu> > > > > > > > 11> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your question> > has> > > > > posed a> > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.

i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be> > sookhe> > > > > khadkte> > > > > > > > hue> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts> > > containing> > > > > > > water> > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what> > > varun ji> > > > > has> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > >

in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question> > has> > > been> > > > > put> > > > > > > > > > forward> > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitab_discussio n%40. com>,> > "gill_hs2005"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different

remedy> > > > > suggested> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > each> > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both> > > these> > > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have> >

been> > > > > advised> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > flow> > > > > > > > > > > > > into a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4> > > > > coconuts,> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > 8> > > > > > > > > > > > pieces> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown> > in> > > > > flowing> > > > > > > > > water> > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of> > > throwing> > > > > 8> > > > > > > > > pieces> > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 11th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>